"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2013-10-24, Ophelia > wrote:
>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Uh-huh, and the demand for buggy builders is down since they invented
>>> the
>>> automobile too, and just look at what happened to the VCR business.
>>
>> Cheri, that could have been in Chinese as far as I am concerned!! <g>
>> Please will you translate/explain?
>
> Horse drawn carriages (buggy) declined as automobile production increased.
> Same with videocassette recorders (VCR) upon the advent of CDs and
> DVDs.

Thanks, Bob. I got the reference to the VCR stuff, but the buggy stuff went
right over my head
--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:05:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
. ..
>> On 10/23/2013 2:00 PM, l not -l wrote:
>>> On 23-Oct-2013, Nancy Young > wrote:
>>
>>>> Usually, if I am ordering something, I want to order it then, not
>>>> some time in the future, I need it soon.
>>
>>> I do as notbob and have saved hundreds of $$$ that way. Not just in
>>> shipping; but, also in items that I see in my cart a week or two later
>>> and think "What the...I don't need that."
>>
>> ExCUSE me, I only order items I genuinely need! Not frivolous stuff!
>>
>> Ahem. (laugh) I totally hear you, I usually think about whatever
>> it is a few times before I actually pull the trigger. Other times,
>> I just need the thing and I'd rather not wait a week.
>>
>> I still have that recipe rock on my wish list for like a year now.
>> I do not need a recipe rock.
>>
>>> Delayed gratification is something my first IT manager taught me in
>>> 1971. "Go ahead, write the memo; but, put it in your desk for at least
>>> a day before sending. Then, read it, send it or rethink it." That
>>> advice kept me from being fired on more than one occasion
>>
>> You? Wow. Hard to picture.
>>
>>> and certain
>>> spared hard feelings innumerable times. Adapting it to buying stuff on
>>> Amazon was fiscally prudent. 8-)
>>
>> Back in the olden days when I ordered from catalogs, I'd wait a few
>> issues, if I still wanted it and could afford it, I went ahead and
>> bought it. I have a smidgen of self-control in the buying department.
>> Online, that makes it a little tougher. It's a good rule you have.
>
>I might tack a $2 or $3 item onto an order that I don't really need. But if
>it costs say, $50, I would think long and hard about it before I ordered it.
>Even when I got new quilts for our beds, they stayed on my Wishlist for a
>couple of weeks before I ordered them. I was looking for better prices. I
>am cheapskate! In the end, I paid $110 for two quilts and they are the best
>ones we've ever had. Good quality and nicely thick. It was a good
>decision.

I believe that most of us are only tacking an inexpensive item
(something we probably would not order alone) to the order to bring it
up to get free shipping. And if the order did not qualify for free
shipping, the shipping would have been more that the cost of the item
I added.

We purchased Amazon Prime and now I can order something that costs $5
and get free 2 day shipping.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

On 10/24/2013 12:34 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:08:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:

>> I tried that free trial thing but it didn't work! I got the first order for
>> free but when I tried to play one the next day, it was going to give me the
>> standard shipping. So I just bought it. They have been messing up lately
>> too. Somehow they gave me two accou
>
> Okay, in that case I'm not interested - thanks for clarifying. I do
> not want an On Demand or Hulu for pay type situation where I have to
> buy every single movie I want to watch. If I wanted to do that, I'd
> go to a movie theater.

I got the free trial and it worked just fine! Of course. It's
amazon, they have their act together.

Naturally, it will convert automatically to a paid service after
the free trial if you don't cancel it.

nancy

On 10/24/2013 7:05 AM, The Cook wrote:

> I believe that most of us are only tacking an inexpensive item
> (something we probably would not order alone) to the order to bring it
> up to get free shipping. And if the order did not qualify for free
> shipping, the shipping would have been more that the cost of the item
> I added.

Exactly. I can pay for shipping or get this ... toothpaste or
something. You can always find something. Sometimes I wind up
with something I don't need because of this more so than the
$20 item I really wanted.

> We purchased Amazon Prime and now I can order something that costs $5
> and get free 2 day shipping.

I really like this, and lately I've needed a number of little
things. I'd still bundle my order if I could. Breaking it
down to $6 a month makes me feel better about the fee. Love
the fast delivery, too.

nancy

On 10/23/2013 7:26 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:44:32 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/23/2013 3:38 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:46:33 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I got Prime to watch the free movies and tv episodes, so for me, the
>>>> free shipping is just a bonus. Prime's video selection works for me,
>>>> and it's cheaper than Netflix.
>>>
>>> How do you watch it on TV? I guess that's as good an excuse as any to
>>> buy a Chromecast dongle.
>>>
>>
>> On tv, using either Roku or Chromecast (which involves 'flinging' it
>> from my laptop or desktop). Amazon doesn't have an Android app for
>> watching videos (they only support their Kindle tablets), so with my
>> Nexus tablets, I first sideloaded Flash. All that means is go to
>> Adobe.com and download and install Flash for Android. Firefox for
>> Android runs flash, so if you don't have Firefox on your Nexus,
>> install that, too. After that, it's simple: just open Firefox, go to
>> Amazon, login to your account and select a video to play. Firefox will
>> ask if you want to run the plugin (Flash). Touch Yes, and and watch
>> your video.
>
> I have Firefox installed. Thanks for the lesson. I googled and
> didn't see anything I understood.
>
> Can you tell me more about the process?

Okay, you have Firefox installed, so the next step is to install
Flash. Since Flash is no longer officially supported for Android, you
won't find it in the Google Play store. Instead, you will get it from
another source.

Now, your tablet has a security setting that by default will not allow
any apps to be installed from anywhere other than Google Play. So the
first thing you have to do is _temporarily_ change that security
setting to allow you to download and install Flash. To do so: on your
tablet, select Settings, then touch Security. Find the "Uknown
sources" heading, which says "allow installation of apps from sources
other than the Play Store". Check the box to the right of that. A
caution box will pop up, warning you about the risks of downloading
unverified apps. Touch OK. (After you've installed Flash, you will go
back and uncheck this box to restore the security setting.)

Next, open Firefox on your tablet and go to this link, which has
step-by-step instructions on installing Flash and links to the
download site:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1774336

Find and touch the link for the latest file flash version player. It
will take you to the download site. Touch the Download button at the
bottom of the screen. The Flash installer package will download onto
your tablet.

Close Firefox.

You now just have to find the download Flash installer app on your
tablet in order to install it. Here's where Flash is different from
Windows: it doesn't have a File explorer/manager built in by default.
In other words, there's no equivalent to Windows Explorer on your
tablet. You have to install that yourself. Just go to Google Play,
search for and install File Manger HD. It's free. Once it's on your
tablet, you will be able to browse files and folders on your tablet.

Third step: open File Manager, tap the Download folder shortcut, then
tap the install_flash_player file. It will install it for you.

You're basically done at this point. You should now be able to watch
Flash videos - including Amazon-supplied video - via Firefox on your
tablet. Let's test it by finding a video on youtube to watch:

Open Firefox. Navigate to to youtube.com. Search for a video to watch.
When you select it, the video window should be black, with a button in
the center. Under the button it will say, "Tap here to activate
plugin". Tap it. The video should play. If it does, you have
successfully installed Flash.

One last thing: go back to your tablet's Security settings, scroll
down to Unknown Sources, and uncheck the box to reset the default
security security setting.

Here's a video showing it step by step:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xA2erlhALA

Don't be scared, it is more complicated to describe how to do it than
it is to do it. It's a lot like cooking in that respect!


I see they charge $79 for
> Prime, but I'm not seeing a Netflix type library to choose from. I
> see movies that you rent can individually like you would with Comcast
> On Demand. If I wanted to do that, I'd just give Comcast even more
> money (which I won't do) because free shipping from Amazon isn't worth
> $80 to me.

The way it works is: Amazon has tens of thousands of movies and tv
episodes available for streaming via Amazon Instant Video. You
normally choose to buy or rent any particular video. BUT - if you
become an Amazon Prime member, you get access to thousands of videos
for free. Not everything in their catalog, but a lot. That's why I
mentioned that the free selections via Amazon Prime works well enough
for me. I get access to lots of stuff for my $79/year fee, which is
cheaper than Netflix. If there's anything I want to watch that isn't
available for free, I can just pay per view.

> At this point, Comcast and Netflix seem to be talking about joining
> forces - so maybe I should just wait. Although Chromecast still seems
> perfect for when you're on the road... dial into Netflix and pick a
> movie. Would the hotel's wifi router be a problem getting the stream?

That will depend on the speed of the hotel's wifi, and their security
setup.

> I don't think I could afford to tether the Nexus to my phone and
> stream movies that way.

If you have movies in digital format that you want to watch, you can
copy them onto a flash drive, then connect the flash drive to your
Nexus with an OTG cable, which you can buy on Amazon for less than
five bucks. Here's one:
http://amzn.com/B0091QLXW8

All you do is plug the cable into your tablet, and plug the flash
drive into the cable. You can then access any files on the flash drive
- music, movies, documents, whatever. It's extremely simple to do, and
it means you are no longer limited by the storage capacity of your tablet.

On 10/23/2013 7:26 PM, sf wrote:

> I'd like to see a link to the movies that come free with prime.
> Thanks.

Go to amazon.com and select the Department Amazon Instant Video. That
displays their video catalog. Titles that are available for free
viewing for Prime members will be flagged with the Prime logo.

As with Netflix, some of the selections periodically rotate in and out
of availability. It may be available now, and unavailable six weeks
from now, and become available again in a few months. You can, of
course, also pay to view any video that isn't free.

The Cook wrote:
>
>I believe that most of us are only tacking an inexpensive item
>(something we probably would not order alone) to the order to bring it
>up to get free shipping.

I doubt that's true. Most folks place items into their wish list
until they have enough to qualify for free shipping, not everyone is
in a big rush to get stuff, were I needing something like now I'd go
to a brick and mortar, I'm not going to wait two days with my finger
in the dike while waiting for a $3 plumbing fitting... and most
inexpensive items are worth buying multiples... the cost per item is
also much less when buying a multi-pack... did that a few weeks ago
with packing tape, bought two packs, eventually I'll use all twelve
rolls and there's no point to buy tape one roll at a time anyway... I
saved on the price per roll and got free shipping.
http://www.amazon.com/Brand-Packagin...s=packing+tape
In all the years I've been shopping on line I never once bought
something I didn't need just to qualify for free shipping... that
would be dumb... those items alone would cost more than the shipping
charge... why would any sane person buy a $10 item they have no use
for just to save a $6 shipping charge? Duh
And I can always find something I can really use to reach the $25.
Just last night I was searhing for a drop light, all I would have
ordered cost just a few pennies under the $25. I don't need the item
right away, so will pick one up next trip to Walmart or Lowes, they
have the same exact items at the same price. I suppose I could add
some small item I know I will use but I'm in no rush... meanwhile I
have flashlights. I like both of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Cable-...rds=drop+light
http://www.amazon.com/Alert-Stamping...rds=drop+light

On 2013-10-24, Nancy Young > wrote:

> I really like this, and lately I've needed a number of little
> things. I'd still bundle my order if I could. Breaking it
> down to $6 a month makes me feel better about the fee. Love
> the fast delivery, too.

I'm looking at it now. Starting to look like a deal. I definitely
spend more than $6 mo on shipping from Amazon.

What I'm looking at now is the streaming video. Howzat work? Can I
get it through Roku and watch on my TV?

nb

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:09:07 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:
>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I finally found a web site that could tell me. It's the older model.
> > Wish it had a camera, but I didn't want it for that purpose - so I
> > can't complain! It certainly isn't as big and cumbersome as the
> > testers want you to believe.... and I *like* the textured back.
> > http://www.androidpit.com/2013-nexus-7-test
>
> I love the way they talk about back-side Here that means bottom/ass

It can mean that here too.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 10/24/2013 9:41 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-10-24, Nancy Young > wrote:
>
>> I really like this, and lately I've needed a number of little
>> things. I'd still bundle my order if I could. Breaking it
>> down to $6 a month makes me feel better about the fee. Love
>> the fast delivery, too.
>
> I'm looking at it now. Starting to look like a deal. I definitely
> spend more than $6 mo on shipping from Amazon.
>
> What I'm looking at now is the streaming video. Howzat work? Can I
> get it through Roku and watch on my TV?

I bet Moe will know.

I haven't tried streaming video. If they hook up with Netflix
and I can see Orange is the New Black, I'd be interested.

nancy

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 08:38:05 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 10/24/2013 12:34 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:08:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
>
> >> I tried that free trial thing but it didn't work! I got the first order for
> >> free but when I tried to play one the next day, it was going to give me the
> >> standard shipping. So I just bought it. They have been messing up lately
> >> too. Somehow they gave me two accou
> >
> > Okay, in that case I'm not interested - thanks for clarifying. I do
> > not want an On Demand or Hulu for pay type situation where I have to
> > buy every single movie I want to watch. If I wanted to do that, I'd
> > go to a movie theater.
>
> I got the free trial and it worked just fine! Of course. It's
> amazon, they have their act together.
>
> Naturally, it will convert automatically to a paid service after
> the free trial if you don't cancel it.
>
I still don't understand how it works. At first I thought it was like
Netflix where you pay a fee and watch as many movies as you want, but
now I'm thinking it's like On Demand where you have to pay for every
movie you watch.


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 08:02:13 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
wrote:

> On 10/23/2013 7:26 PM, sf wrote:
> >
<snip lots of great information>
>
>
> I see they charge $79 for
> > Prime, but I'm not seeing a Netflix type library to choose from. I
> > see movies that you rent can individually like you would with Comcast
> > On Demand. If I wanted to do that, I'd just give Comcast even more
> > money (which I won't do) because free shipping from Amazon isn't worth
> > $80 to me.
>
> The way it works is: Amazon has tens of thousands of movies and tv
> episodes available for streaming via Amazon Instant Video. You
> normally choose to buy or rent any particular video. BUT - if you
> become an Amazon Prime member, you get access to thousands of videos
> for free. Not everything in their catalog, but a lot. That's why I
> mentioned that the free selections via Amazon Prime works well enough
> for me. I get access to lots of stuff for my $79/year fee, which is
> cheaper than Netflix. If there's anything I want to watch that isn't
> available for free, I can just pay per view.

Okay, thanks. Then it IS like streaming Netflix. How do the two
compare as far as movie choices? After it split up, we didn't bother
to sign up for streaming for two reasons: 1. It would have been a PITA
to stream because we'd have to buy a Roku or some other device first
and set it up just to watch a movie. 2. Netflix has a far better
selection of movies on CD.
>
> > At this point, Comcast and Netflix seem to be talking about joining
> > forces - so maybe I should just wait. Although Chromecast still seems
> > perfect for when you're on the road... dial into Netflix and pick a
> > movie. Would the hotel's wifi router be a problem getting the stream?
>
> That will depend on the speed of the hotel's wifi, and their security
> setup.
>
> > I don't think I could afford to tether the Nexus to my phone and
> > stream movies that way.
>
> If you have movies in digital format that you want to watch, you can
> copy them onto a flash drive, then connect the flash drive to your
> Nexus with an OTG cable, which you can buy on Amazon for less than
> five bucks. Here's one:
> http://amzn.com/B0091QLXW8
>
> All you do is plug the cable into your tablet, and plug the flash
> drive into the cable. You can then access any files on the flash drive
> - music, movies, documents, whatever. It's extremely simple to do, and
> it means you are no longer limited by the storage capacity of your tablet.

Thanks for all that information! It was clear, concise and I think I
will be able to follow your instructions easily, so I'm copying it and
saving it to refer to if I end up buying a chromecast dongle. Thanks
for the OTG cable link, I've been thinking about getting one so I can
put Agent on a flash drive and fiddle on the news groups sitting
somewhere other than at my desktop computer.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 10/24/2013 1:15 AM, sf wrote:

>
> I am not saying your story above is wrong I am simply not convinced
> that ordering via the internet is cost effective. I was not against
> Amazon when the minimum for free shipping was $25. But now it is $35.
> Homey don't play that game.
>


Game? Not cost effective?

I can see raising the order amount for "free" shipping since it is not
really free.They have to have a certain amount of income to cover the
actual shipping cost they pay to the carrier. When you get into
commercial/industrial sales, minimum orders of $250 and up are common
just to cover handling cost.

As for cost effective, I have bought quite a bit of things at much
better prices than can be found locally. I'm starting a bathroom
remodel. Most of the items came from local stores. I wanted three
Kohler accessories so I got a price from the plumbing supply that gives
me the contractor's discount. I went on line (Faucet Direct) and found
them for a total, including shipping, that was $80 less. I just spent
$4500 with the local guy on other goods, and if it was an $8 difference
I'd have added this in too. But for $80, I'd rather keep it in my pocket.

About two summers ago I bought a new Weber Summit gas grill. I was able
to buy it from an outfit in New Jersey and save $400 over local sources.
I think that is very cost effective.

On 10/24/2013 12:47 AM, sf wrote:

>
> Yes! That's my fear. I don't trust online vendors. They can say
> what they want to say and have their friends skew the "reviews" or do
> it himself under an alias.
>

Nor do I trust "some" on line retailers. There are many well known, well
established places that you can trust. Amazon, Overstock, are rather good.

You can often save money buying on line, but you can also find items
that just don't exist locally. Julie mentioned buying a pair of shoes
for her daughter that local store did not have in stock. I had a
similar experience a few months ago looking for Twin XL sheets. The
only store that even carried that size was Bed,Bath & B, but they were
out of stock of the one color they carry and did not expect them for two
weeks. I went on line and had something like 400+ colors and styles to
choose from. With no exact comparisons, I don't know if they were a
good or bad price, but they seemed reasonable and I'm happy with my
purchase.

We did some sprucing up of the kitchen and same deal. Could not find
what we wanted in the stores, found exactly what we wanted on line.
While I was not crazy about buying a kitchen island from just a photo,
it was exactly as described and good quality.

On 10/24/2013 2:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:

> But I thought I was buying a Logitech one. It's not. I looked again
> and the buyer did not say that it was but that was the search term that
> I used.

You really have to be careful with that. I've often searched for a
particular item and found the results to be full of fakes. I avoid ebay
for that reason too. I'm sure most are reputable, but others just don't
look right sometimes.

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 08:08:54 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
wrote:

> On 10/23/2013 7:26 PM, sf wrote:
>
> > I'd like to see a link to the movies that come free with prime.
> > Thanks.
>
> Go to amazon.com and select the Department Amazon Instant Video. That
> displays their video catalog. Titles that are available for free
> viewing for Prime members will be flagged with the Prime logo.
>
> As with Netflix, some of the selections periodically rotate in and out
> of availability. It may be available now, and unavailable six weeks
> from now, and become available again in a few months. You can, of
> course, also pay to view any video that isn't free.

Thanks again! I also found this article which gave me a little more
information comparing Netflix and Amazon.
http://beta.fool.com/sammattera/2013...subscri/33238/
I guess Netflix hadn't entered into talks with Comcast yet last
Spring, so I didn't see any mention of how that might go.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 23:36:03 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:10:58 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> That show with Robin Meade.
> >
> > Who is that?
>
> *sigh* Hang on... Okay. I Swagbucked it.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Meade

Okay, thanks. Never heard of her - guess I don't watch that channel.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 2013-10-24, Nancy Young > wrote:

> I haven't tried streaming video. If they hook up with Netflix
> and I can see Orange is the New Black, I'd be interested.

I see I can. BTW, OitNB is already streaming from Netflix, at least
here in CO. I think NF is about $20 mo for streaming.

nb

On 24 Oct 2013 14:42:05 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2013-10-24, Nancy Young > wrote:
>
> > I haven't tried streaming video. If they hook up with Netflix
> > and I can see Orange is the New Black, I'd be interested.
>
> I see I can. BTW, OitNB is already streaming from Netflix, at least
> here in CO. I think NF is about $20 mo for streaming.
>

That's too expensive. I would have subscribed if it was the same
price that they charge for streaming. Might as well stay with their
online service.


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:17:48 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 10/24/2013 1:15 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >
> > I am not saying your story above is wrong I am simply not convinced
> > that ordering via the internet is cost effective. I was not against
> > Amazon when the minimum for free shipping was $25. But now it is $35.
> > Homey don't play that game.
> >
>
>
> Game? Not cost effective?
>
> I can see raising the order amount for "free" shipping since it is not
> really free.They have to have a certain amount of income to cover the
> actual shipping cost they pay to the carrier. When you get into
> commercial/industrial sales, minimum orders of $250 and up are common
> just to cover handling cost.
>
> As for cost effective, I have bought quite a bit of things at much
> better prices than can be found locally. I'm starting a bathroom
> remodel. Most of the items came from local stores. I wanted three
> Kohler accessories so I got a price from the plumbing supply that gives
> me the contractor's discount. I went on line (Faucet Direct) and found
> them for a total, including shipping, that was $80 less. I just spent
> $4500 with the local guy on other goods, and if it was an $8 difference
> I'd have added this in too. But for $80, I'd rather keep it in my pocket.
>
> About two summers ago I bought a new Weber Summit gas grill. I was able
> to buy it from an outfit in New Jersey and save $400 over local sources.
> I think that is very cost effective.

Amazon rarely works for what I want to buy and when we make big
internet purchases, Amazon is not involved in the deal. At a $25
minimum, they had my interest but they lost it at $35. I can buy
whatever I need within a 10 mile radius (most of it is no more than 2
or 3 miles) and a fuel efficient car, so AFAIC - it's not cost
effective when I have to spend $35 just to get free shipping.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 10/24/2013 8:55 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 10/24/2013 9:41 AM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2013-10-24, Nancy Young > wrote:
>>
>>> I really like this, and lately I've needed a number of little
>>> things. I'd still bundle my order if I could. Breaking it
>>> down to $6 a month makes me feel better about the fee. Love
>>> the fast delivery, too.
>>
>> I'm looking at it now. Starting to look like a deal. I definitely
>> spend more than $6 mo on shipping from Amazon.
>>
>> What I'm looking at now is the streaming video. Howzat work? Can I
>> get it through Roku and watch on my TV?
>
> I bet Moe will know.

Yep. You can very easily stream Amazon videos through Roku. It's very
simple and convenient. I even used it for one of our outdoor movie
nights - brought the tv onto the patio with the Roku, then watched The
Haunting and another scary movie under a full moon. Popped popcorn
using a hot plate, made s'mores over a little propane tabletop
firepit. Good times!

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> Amazon rarely works for what I want to buy and when we make big
> internet purchases, Amazon is not involved in the deal. At a $25
> minimum, they had my interest but they lost it at $35. I can buy
> whatever I need within a 10 mile radius (most of it is no more than 2
> or 3 miles) and a fuel efficient car, so AFAIC - it's not cost
> effective when I have to spend $35 just to get free shipping.

As I said, there's something for everyone. I do not like to shop in stores,
and many times they don't have what I want when I get there. The most recent
was Orchard Supply where I was looking for a shower head adapter for an old
model shower that has the ball head connection. No luck, but found it online
and even with the shipping it was less than 10.00. Saved me that much in
aggravation and running from store to store.

Cheri

Nancy Young wrote:

> On 10/23/2013 2:46 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>
> > On 10/23/2013 9:49 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>
>
> >> quickly, so I signed up for Amazon Prime. $79 a year and I got
>
> >> used to not looking for filler items to get free shipping (it was
>
> >> getting to be tiresome) and the stuff now arrives quickly rather
>
> >> than taking the slow boat.
>
> >>
>
> >> I haven't decided if I should keep it when my year is up.
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> > I got Prime to watch the free movies and tv episodes, so for me, the
>
> > free shipping is just a bonus. Prime's video selection works for me, and
>
> > it's cheaper than Netflix.
>
>
>
> You're right, they keep reminding me I have that benefit, but I haven't
>
> looked into it yet. I do catch up on shows online, I have a cord that
>
> goes to my tv so I can see what's on my monitor on my tv. Not too fancy.


Just explained to a kid here @ work what a "test pattern" was and that teevee used to go off @ midnight,,,

;-)


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Best
Greg

On 10/23/2013 11:37 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> I think you're right about IBM and Microsoft - they will always be
>> around although it might be that regular folks won't have much to do
>> with them. It seems obvious to me that Win 8 will prove to be a viable
>> product in the brave new world. Apple will slink down to being a more
>> ordinary company, unless they can come up with another game changing
>> product like the iPhone or iPad.
>
> Do you like Windows 8? I am very resistant to new stuff.

I haven't gotten a chance to work much with Win 8 but it's an attempt to
move the Windows into a touch screen interface. It's a gutsy move but
it's a direction that Microsoft had to take. My guess is that most
people are using it on plain old regular PCs where the home screen seems
kinda dumb and clunky.

I've been working in a office that uses machines with the Vista OS. When
it's set up right, Vista is a clean and sleek interface. I like it
better than Win 7 which seems kind of cluttered. Boy, whoever set the
computers up really knew what he was doing.

"Gregory Morrow" > wrote in message
...
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> On 10/23/2013 2:46 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>>
>> > On 10/23/2013 9:49 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >> quickly, so I signed up for Amazon Prime. $79 a year and I got
>>
>> >> used to not looking for filler items to get free shipping (it was
>>
>> >> getting to be tiresome) and the stuff now arrives quickly rather
>>
>> >> than taking the slow boat.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> I haven't decided if I should keep it when my year is up.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I got Prime to watch the free movies and tv episodes, so for me, the
>>
>> > free shipping is just a bonus. Prime's video selection works for me,
>> > and
>>
>> > it's cheaper than Netflix.
>>
>>
>>
>> You're right, they keep reminding me I have that benefit, but I haven't
>>
>> looked into it yet. I do catch up on shows online, I have a cord that
>>
>> goes to my tv so I can see what's on my monitor on my tv. Not too fancy.
>
>
> Just explained to a kid here @ work what a "test pattern" was and that
> teevee used to go off @ midnight,,,
>
> ;-)

We had a test pattern too)


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"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/23/2013 11:37 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>> I think you're right about IBM and Microsoft - they will always be
>>> around although it might be that regular folks won't have much to do
>>> with them. It seems obvious to me that Win 8 will prove to be a viable
>>> product in the brave new world. Apple will slink down to being a more
>>> ordinary company, unless they can come up with another game changing
>>> product like the iPhone or iPad.
>>
>> Do you like Windows 8? I am very resistant to new stuff.
>
> I haven't gotten a chance to work much with Win 8 but it's an attempt to
> move the Windows into a touch screen interface. It's a gutsy move but it's
> a direction that Microsoft had to take. My guess is that most people are
> using it on plain old regular PCs where the home screen seems kinda dumb
> and clunky.
>
> I've been working in a office that uses machines with the Vista OS. When
> it's set up right, Vista is a clean and sleek interface. I like it better
> than Win 7 which seems kind of cluttered. Boy, whoever set the computers
> up really knew what he was doing.

I gave Vista a miss given all the bad reports on it and went on to XP which
was fine. I have Win7 and am very happy with it.
I am used to a touch screen now with my phone so maybe it wouldn't be so bad
although I am not looking to change any time soon.

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On 10/24/2013 6:41 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> I gave Vista a miss given all the bad reports on it and went on to XP
> which was fine. I have Win7 and am very happy with it.
> I am used to a touch screen now with my phone so maybe it wouldn't be so
> bad although I am not looking to change any time soon.
>

Vista was an attempt to drive the sales of new PCs with an OS that
required hardware that had the speed and graphic ability to run it. This
strategy worked fine for Microsoft in the past but this time they
misread the market and hardware on the new machines. Your average PC and
laptop didn't quite meet up to the specs. The machines these days would
run it fine. I got rid of all the graphics special effects which made it
run snappier on my laptop. I didn't have any problems with Vista once
the Aero graphics were removed.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/24/2013 6:41 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> I gave Vista a miss given all the bad reports on it and went on to XP
>> which was fine. I have Win7 and am very happy with it.
>> I am used to a touch screen now with my phone so maybe it wouldn't be so
>> bad although I am not looking to change any time soon.
>>
>
> Vista was an attempt to drive the sales of new PCs with an OS that
> required hardware that had the speed and graphic ability to run it. This
> strategy worked fine for Microsoft in the past but this time they misread
> the market and hardware on the new machines. Your average PC and laptop
> didn't quite meet up to the specs. The machines these days would run it
> fine. I got rid of all the graphics special effects which made it run
> snappier on my laptop. I didn't have any problems with Vista once the Aero
> graphics were removed.

I know nothing about such stuff. I am speaking only as a user)

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On 2013-10-24, Cheri > wrote:

> was Orchard Supply where I was looking for a shower head adapter for an old

OSH was bought out by Sears, several yrs ago. They ain't worth a
damn, anymore.

nb

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 06:55:15 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:09:07 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > I finally found a web site that could tell me. It's the older model.
>> > Wish it had a camera, but I didn't want it for that purpose - so I
>> > can't complain! It certainly isn't as big and cumbersome as the
>> > testers want you to believe.... and I *like* the textured back.
>> > http://www.androidpit.com/2013-nexus-7-test
>>
>> I love the way they talk about back-side Here that means bottom/ass
>
>It can mean that here too.

There isn't room on the net for a picture of your ass! LOL-LOL

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 09:11:17 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> Amazon rarely works for what I want to buy and when we make big
>> internet purchases, Amazon is not involved in the deal. At a $25
>> minimum, they had my interest but they lost it at $35. I can buy
>> whatever I need within a 10 mile radius (most of it is no more than 2
>> or 3 miles) and a fuel efficient car, so AFAIC - it's not cost
>> effective when I have to spend $35 just to get free shipping.
>
>As I said, there's something for everyone. I do not like to shop in stores,
>and many times they don't have what I want when I get there. The most recent
>was Orchard Supply where I was looking for a shower head adapter for an old
>model shower that has the ball head connection. No luck, but found it online
>and even with the shipping it was less than 10.00. Saved me that much in
>aggravation and running from store to store.
>
>Cheri

sf hasn't driven her car since the increase in fuel prices. I know
lots of shopaholics who'll spend a $50 tankful of gas driving from
store to store all day and all the crap they buy doesn't cost more
than the gas they waste... not to mention their time, wear and tear on
their auto, and the risk of an accident. It's rather rare that I
need/want an item I can't easily buy on line, and from the comfort of
home.

On 10/23/2013 9:20 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
> eb.com...
>> On 10/23/2013 12:06 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "notbob" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 2013-10-23, Cheri > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> have contacted them. I will be curious as to how they're going to
>>>>> handle
>>>>> that because I know I'm not the only one. We'll see.
>>>>
>>>> Regardless of how they handle it, it's still relatively cheap. I
>>>> often deal with vendors whose free shipping threshold is $75-$150.
>>>> Besides, Amazon's free shipping is still pretty cheap, even on goods
>>>> that don't qualify. I jes paid less than $10 for an item shipped
>>>> directly from Japan! I paid only $3.50 for shipment of a hard cover
>>>> book. I can barely start my car that cheap.
>>>>
>>>> Plus, there are some vendors that have free shipping. Zappos comes
>>>> to mind and they now sell cooking items. OTOH, it pays to do some
>>>> research. I usta buy New Balance shoes from Zappos. Free shipping,
>>>> even for returns. But, Zappos will not accept returned shoes if they
>>>> show ANY outside or too much wear. Guess what ..... direct from New
>>>> Balance is also free and they don't care if you wreck the shoe trying
>>>> it out, as long as you return it within 30 days. It pays to do yer
>>>> homework.
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>
>>>
>>> They have wonderful customer service. I went to the website this
>>> morning
>>> and requested a call from customer service and chose the 5 minutes
>>> time
>>> frame. They called within the 5 minutes and as soon as I explained,
>>> they
>>> immediately credited my account for the 50.00, and sent an email
>>> confirmation. Truly pain free, and that's why I shop with them almost
>>> exclusively, and why I love shopping online!
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Who "they"? Amazon or Zappos?
>
> Amazon. Never shopped at Zappos.
>

Zappos is an Amazon subsidiary.

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:34:18 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 10/24/2013 2:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> But I thought I was buying a Logitech one. It's not. I looked again
>> and the buyer did not say that it was but that was the search term that
>> I used.
>
>You really have to be careful with that. I've often searched for a
>particular item and found the results to be full of fakes. I avoid ebay
>for that reason too. I'm sure most are reputable, but others just don't
>look right sometimes.

I have a pretty long list of on line venders I've used for a long
time, none have ever misrepresented an item. I buy computer stuff
from http://www.microcenter.com/ , and I buy their refurbished for
like half off... they've not been used, just display models... the HP
I'm using now has never given me a problem in over three years, and it
was half price, less then $300.
A week ago Amazon sent me the large pot I ordered that with a phone
call I confirmed came with the lid, it did not come with the lid and
they couldn't find one to send me so I sent it back. All I had to do
was put it back in its carton and leave it by my garage door, the next
morning UPS picked it up, that evening I got an email from amazon that
they got the pot and would be reversing my credit card payment. I've
never had a problem returning anything to amazon and others. And I've
ALWAYS saved money shopping on line.

On 10/24/2013 12:23 PM, Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:


>> You're right, they keep reminding me I have that benefit, but I haven't
>>
>> looked into it yet. I do catch up on shows online, I have a cord that
>>
>> goes to my tv so I can see what's on my monitor on my tv. Not too fancy.
>
>
> Just explained to a kid here @ work what a "test pattern" was and that teevee
> used to go off @ midnight,,,
>
> ;-)

Ha! That's funny. I'd forgotten about that. That could
be on one of those 100 things a 20 year old never knew.

Only it could probably be on a 30 year old list, or more.

nancy

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2013-10-24, Cheri > wrote:
>
>> was Orchard Supply where I was looking for a shower head adapter for an
>> old
>
> OSH was bought out by Sears, several yrs ago. They ain't worth a
> damn, anymore.
>
> nb


Well, they're leaving town soon. I like them better than Home Depot or
Lowes, but I guess I'm in the minority there.

Cheri

"Moe DeLoughan" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/23/2013 9:20 PM, Cheri wrote:
>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>> eb.com...
>>> On 10/23/2013 12:06 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "notbob" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 2013-10-23, Cheri > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> have contacted them. I will be curious as to how they're going to
>>>>>> handle
>>>>>> that because I know I'm not the only one. We'll see.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regardless of how they handle it, it's still relatively cheap. I
>>>>> often deal with vendors whose free shipping threshold is $75-$150.
>>>>> Besides, Amazon's free shipping is still pretty cheap, even on goods
>>>>> that don't qualify. I jes paid less than $10 for an item shipped
>>>>> directly from Japan! I paid only $3.50 for shipment of a hard cover
>>>>> book. I can barely start my car that cheap.
>>>>>
>>>>> Plus, there are some vendors that have free shipping. Zappos comes
>>>>> to mind and they now sell cooking items. OTOH, it pays to do some
>>>>> research. I usta buy New Balance shoes from Zappos. Free shipping,
>>>>> even for returns. But, Zappos will not accept returned shoes if they
>>>>> show ANY outside or too much wear. Guess what ..... direct from New
>>>>> Balance is also free and they don't care if you wreck the shoe trying
>>>>> it out, as long as you return it within 30 days. It pays to do yer
>>>>> homework.
>>>>>
>>>>> nb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They have wonderful customer service. I went to the website this
>>>> morning
>>>> and requested a call from customer service and chose the 5 minutes
>>>> time
>>>> frame. They called within the 5 minutes and as soon as I explained,
>>>> they
>>>> immediately credited my account for the 50.00, and sent an email
>>>> confirmation. Truly pain free, and that's why I shop with them almost
>>>> exclusively, and why I love shopping online!
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> Who "they"? Amazon or Zappos?
>>
>> Amazon. Never shopped at Zappos.
>>
>
> Zappos is an Amazon subsidiary.
>


OK. I have never heard of them before this thread.

Cheri

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:44:39 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> "notbob" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 2013-10-24, Cheri > wrote:
> >
> >> was Orchard Supply where I was looking for a shower head adapter for an
> >> old
> >
> > OSH was bought out by Sears, several yrs ago. They ain't worth a
> > damn, anymore.
> >
> > nb
>
>
> Well, they're leaving town soon. I like them better than Home Depot or
> Lowes, but I guess I'm in the minority there.
>

I like their size, the fact it's not warehouse shopping and I like
that they at least pretend to be an old style hardware store.

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On 2013-10-24, Cheri > wrote:
>
> OK. I have never heard of them before this thread.

Zappos originally did only shoes, which they were great for cuz they
had a humungous selection andshipping wuz free, even for returns.
Now, they carry apparel and kichen stuff.

nb

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...

> Hmm, gotta ask, what size are her feet that they didn't have her size
> at ten different stores? And didja think to phone the stores first
> before driving all over creation?

Not sure what size she was wearing then. This was a few years ago. I do
not call stores. It is a waste of my time. I will be on terminal hold.
Chances are, the department will not answer. If someone does answer, it
will usually be the wrong department. In the end, someone will disconnect
me. That is how it usually plays out. If by chance the correct department
does answer, they either won't know the answer or will give me the wrong
answer. They will tell me that they have something when they don't. Or
that they don't carry something that they do! Exception would be a small
store, like my old health food store. I would call a store like that. But
never a big store.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 08:38:05 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> On 10/24/2013 12:34 AM, sf wrote:
>> > On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:08:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> >> I tried that free trial thing but it didn't work! I got the first
>> >> order for
>> >> free but when I tried to play one the next day, it was going to give
>> >> me the
>> >> standard shipping. So I just bought it. They have been messing up
>> >> lately
>> >> too. Somehow they gave me two accou
>> >
>> > Okay, in that case I'm not interested - thanks for clarifying. I do
>> > not want an On Demand or Hulu for pay type situation where I have to
>> > buy every single movie I want to watch. If I wanted to do that, I'd
>> > go to a movie theater.
>>
>> I got the free trial and it worked just fine! Of course. It's
>> amazon, they have their act together.
>>
>> Naturally, it will convert automatically to a paid service after
>> the free trial if you don't cancel it.
>>
> I still don't understand how it works. At first I thought it was like
> Netflix where you pay a fee and watch as many movies as you want, but
> now I'm thinking it's like On Demand where you have to pay for every
> movie you watch.

I tried it last night so I know how it works. Just click on the movie you
want. Then wait while it loads. I chose Bob The Builder. Took perhaps 30
seconds to load. Then *boom* I was watching the movie. For free!