"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
> Let's see, there's an objection to how Martha Stewart pronounces
> Marinade. A previous objection to how Bobby Flay pronounces chipotle
> (chi-po-t-ley), and an objection to how what's-his-name in California
> pronounces cilantro (cil-lan-thro) Oh, and, frequent objections to
> Giada de Laurentis using Italian pronunciation for Italian food items.
> Have I forgotten any?
> Janet US

I also cringe when Bobby Flay uses the word "blue" or pretty much anything
with an "l" in it. I figured out that the only way I could make my words
sound like that was to stick my tongue out when I was talking. And then I
saw him do it! His tongue did stick out when he was saying a word with an
"l" in it.

On Tue, 6 Aug 2013 07:52:57 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 08:39:31 -0400, S Viemeister
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On 8/6/2013 1:47 AM, sf wrote:
> >>
> >> > It's just some kind of Eastern regional accent. No biggie. Pahk the
> >> > cah by Bahston Yahrd.
> >> >
> >> Martha Stewart? I've spent a lot of time in her hometown, and that's
> >> definitely _not_ the local accent.
> >
> > So what? I have a "California accent" now and my sister sounds like
> > she was born & raised where she lives in central Wisconsin, which has
> > a very distinctive regional accent.
>
> Uh... What is a California accent?
>
It's the no accent accent.

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On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 09:02:19 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Tue, 6 Aug 2013 07:52:57 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 08:39:31 -0400, S Viemeister
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 8/6/2013 1:47 AM, sf wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > It's just some kind of Eastern regional accent. No biggie. Pahk the
>> >> > cah by Bahston Yahrd.
>> >> >
>> >> Martha Stewart? I've spent a lot of time in her hometown, and that's
>> >> definitely _not_ the local accent.
>> >
>> > So what? I have a "California accent" now and my sister sounds like
>> > she was born & raised where she lives in central Wisconsin, which has
>> > a very distinctive regional accent.
>>
>> Uh... What is a California accent?
>>
>It's the no accent accent.

Not strictly true . . . it's the cadence that makes it. Don't ask me
to explain further, because I can't
Janet US

On Tue, 6 Aug 2013 07:56:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
.. .
>> Let's see, there's an objection to how Martha Stewart pronounces
>> Marinade. A previous objection to how Bobby Flay pronounces chipotle
>> (chi-po-t-ley), and an objection to how what's-his-name in California
>> pronounces cilantro (cil-lan-thro) Oh, and, frequent objections to
>> Giada de Laurentis using Italian pronunciation for Italian food items.
>> Have I forgotten any?
>> Janet US
>
>I also cringe when Bobby Flay uses the word "blue" or pretty much anything
>with an "l" in it. I figured out that the only way I could make my words
>sound like that was to stick my tongue out when I was talking. And then I
>saw him do it! His tongue did stick out when he was saying a word with an
>"l" in it.
>
I'm not trying to be unkind, Julie, but everyone here knows that just
about everything bothers you or has something wrong with it. Why spend
the time and effort to figure out his speech? These chefs are
obviously doing something right and haven't had their career or income
harmed by minor speech issues.
Janet US

Janet Bostwick > wrote in
:

>>> Uh... What is a California accent?
>>>
>>It's the no accent accent.
>
> Not strictly true . . . it's the cadence that makes it. Don't
> ask me to explain further, because I can't

From where I sit, it involves a lot of mumbling and significant
divergence from the principles of enunciation.

--

Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
from happening.

-- Barbara Tober

In article >,
Ophelia > wrote:
>
>
>"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
.. .
>
>>>I did type it wrong but still... Never heard anyone else say the last
>>>syllable like that.
>>
>> Not here in Michigan.
>>
>> Christopher Kimball on America's Test Kitchen pronounces it mar-uh-NOD.
>>
>> I find it pretentious coming out of his mouth.
>
>I suppose every place says it differently yes? We say Mar -in - ayd. How
>do you say it?

Mare-in-ayd. Can't keep the Midwestern U.S. out of the first syllable.
Of course, that second syllable is more of a schwa than an actual short i,
but that's probably from speaking too quickly and not clearly enough.

Of course, I find a lot of what comes out of Christopher Kimball's mouth
to be pretentious. Doesn't stop me from watching his TV show.

Cindy
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"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Ophelia > wrote:
>>
>>
>>"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>>>I did type it wrong but still... Never heard anyone else say the last
>>>>syllable like that.
>>>
>>> Not here in Michigan.
>>>
>>> Christopher Kimball on America's Test Kitchen pronounces it mar-uh-NOD.
>>>
>>> I find it pretentious coming out of his mouth.
>>
>>I suppose every place says it differently yes? We say Mar -in - ayd. How
>>do you say it?
>
> Mare-in-ayd. Can't keep the Midwestern U.S. out of the first syllable.
> Of course, that second syllable is more of a schwa than an actual short i,
> but that's probably from speaking too quickly and not clearly enough.
>
> Of course, I find a lot of what comes out of Christopher Kimball's mouth
> to be pretentious. Doesn't stop me from watching his TV show.

I've never heard of him but I know what you mean
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"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Ophelia > wrote:
>>
>>
>>"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>>>I did type it wrong but still... Never heard anyone else say the last
>>>>syllable like that.
>>>
>>> Not here in Michigan.
>>>
>>> Christopher Kimball on America's Test Kitchen pronounces it mar-uh-NOD.
>>>
>>> I find it pretentious coming out of his mouth.
>>
>>I suppose every place says it differently yes? We say Mar -in - ayd. How
>>do you say it?
>
> Mare-in-ayd. Can't keep the Midwestern U.S. out of the first syllable.

That's OK as long as you don't say 'erb{;-)
Graham

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >>I did type it wrong but still... Never heard anyone else say the last
> >>syllable like that.
> >
> > Not here in Michigan.
> >
> > Christopher Kimball on America's Test Kitchen pronounces it mar-uh-NOD.
> >
> > I find it pretentious coming out of his mouth.
>
> I suppose every place says it differently yes? We say Mar -in - ayd. How
> do you say it?

Well "Mar" could be pronounced two different ways.
I say Mare-in-aid
And Mare-in-ate.
If that's wrong, I don't care.

G.

sf wrote:
>
> Yes, my objection to Jamie Oliver's speech impediment. He sounds like
> he has a mouth full of marbles (which some here claim is a regional
> accent). It's like listening to fingernails on a blackboard (or
> worse, squeaking a balloon) to me. I can't hear his message because
> it's too hard to get past his mush mouthed enunciation.

I'll have to look for more of him on tv. I've only seen him a couple
of times and I never noticed any speech impediment that many claim
here. I've always just liked the fact that he's "let's get down to
business" personality with no gimmicks, like constant smiling, etc. He
obviously knows how to cook very well.

G.

"graham" > wrote in message ...
>
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> Ophelia > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
.. .
>>>
>>>>>I did type it wrong but still... Never heard anyone else say the last
>>>>>syllable like that.
>>>>
>>>> Not here in Michigan.
>>>>
>>>> Christopher Kimball on America's Test Kitchen pronounces it mar-uh-NOD.
>>>>
>>>> I find it pretentious coming out of his mouth.
>>>
>>>I suppose every place says it differently yes? We say Mar -in - ayd.
>>>How
>>>do you say it?
>>
>> Mare-in-ayd. Can't keep the Midwestern U.S. out of the first syllable.
>
> That's OK as long as you don't say 'erb{;-)

lol you are just looking for trubble )
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"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> >>I did type it wrong but still... Never heard anyone else say the last
>> >>syllable like that.
>> >
>> > Not here in Michigan.
>> >
>> > Christopher Kimball on America's Test Kitchen pronounces it mar-uh-NOD.
>> >
>> > I find it pretentious coming out of his mouth.
>>
>> I suppose every place says it differently yes? We say Mar -in - ayd.
>> How
>> do you say it?
>
> Well "Mar" could be pronounced two different ways.
> I say Mare-in-aid
> And Mare-in-ate.
> If that's wrong, I don't care.

Can't see any reason you should

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Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "sf" wrote:
> > So what? I have a "California accent" now and my sister sounds like
> > she was born & raised where she lives in central Wisconsin, which has
> > a very distinctive regional accent.
>
> Uh... What is a California accent?

You've got me. My step daughter has lived in the SF area for almost 20
years now and I don't notice any accent when she comes to visit. Same
thing with a friend who has lived in San Diego for most of his life.

G.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I also cringe when Bobby Flay uses the word "blue" or pretty much anything
> with an "l" in it. I figured out that the only way I could make my words
> sound like that was to stick my tongue out when I was talking. And then I
> saw him do it! His tongue did stick out when he was saying a word with an
> "l" in it.

LOL! REALLY?

G.

sf wrote:
>
> "Julie Bove" wrote:
> > Uh... What is a California accent?
> >
> It's the no accent accent.

I've found that many big cities have that no accent accent. It's a
meld of many. Drive out into the rural areas though and you can tell a
difference fairly easily.

G.

On 8/6/2013 4:28 PM, Gary wrote:
> sf wrote:

>> It's the no accent accent.
>
> I've found that many big cities have that no accent accent. It's a
> meld of many. Drive out into the rural areas though and you can tell a
> difference fairly easily.

Someone once told me that Ohio had the most no accent accent.

Of course, they were from Ohio. And I'm not positive it's to
brag about. Many times an accent is nice.

nancy

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 6 Aug 2013 07:52:57 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 08:39:31 -0400, S Viemeister
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 8/6/2013 1:47 AM, sf wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > It's just some kind of Eastern regional accent. No biggie. Pahk
>> >> > the
>> >> > cah by Bahston Yahrd.
>> >> >
>> >> Martha Stewart? I've spent a lot of time in her hometown, and that's
>> >> definitely _not_ the local accent.
>> >
>> > So what? I have a "California accent" now and my sister sounds like
>> > she was born & raised where she lives in central Wisconsin, which has
>> > a very distinctive regional accent.
>>
>> Uh... What is a California accent?
>>
> It's the no accent accent.

Oh. Because to me, we have no accent here. But I'll bet people who live
elsewhere think we do.

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
> I'm not trying to be unkind, Julie, but everyone here knows that just
> about everything bothers you or has something wrong with it. Why spend
> the time and effort to figure out his speech? These chefs are
> obviously doing something right and haven't had their career or income
> harmed by minor speech issues.

I didn't say that they have been.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/6/2013 4:28 PM, Gary wrote:
>> sf wrote:
>
>>> It's the no accent accent.
>>
>> I've found that many big cities have that no accent accent. It's a
>> meld of many. Drive out into the rural areas though and you can tell a
>> difference fairly easily.
>
> Someone once told me that Ohio had the most no accent accent.
>
> Of course, they were from Ohio. And I'm not positive it's to
> brag about. Many times an accent is nice.

I think Johnny Carson said that. Said there was one city there where no one
had an accent and they frequently employed people from there to do voice
things on radio and TV.

On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:49:41 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 8/6/2013 4:28 PM, Gary wrote:
> > sf wrote:
>
> >> It's the no accent accent.
> >
> > I've found that many big cities have that no accent accent. It's a
> > meld of many. Drive out into the rural areas though and you can tell a
> > difference fairly easily.
>
> Of course, they were from Ohio. And I'm not positive it's to
> brag about. Many times an accent is nice.
>
Hollywood settled on the Ohio accent or lack of one for the
entertainment industry because it was easily understood by most
(English speaking) listeners. Their audience didn't have the ability
to back up and listen to it again or turn it up louder - so they had
to hear it correctly the first time.

> Someone once told me that Ohio had the most no accent accent.
>
> Of course, they were from Ohio. And I'm not positive it's to
> brag about. Many times an accent is nice.

Slight accents can be understandable, but most people don't stop at
slight. Between mumbling and full on accents, I'm glad movies on DVD
come with English subtitles these days. In RL, I can't understand
every word of FOBs with full on regional accents; even if they are
from countries where English is supposedly an official language.


--
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On Tue, 6 Aug 2013 15:04:22 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 6 Aug 2013 07:52:57 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 08:39:31 -0400, S Viemeister
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 8/6/2013 1:47 AM, sf wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > It's just some kind of Eastern regional accent. No biggie. Pahk
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > cah by Bahston Yahrd.
> >> >> >
> >> >> Martha Stewart? I've spent a lot of time in her hometown, and that's
> >> >> definitely _not_ the local accent.
> >> >
> >> > So what? I have a "California accent" now and my sister sounds like
> >> > she was born & raised where she lives in central Wisconsin, which has
> >> > a very distinctive regional accent.
> >>
> >> Uh... What is a California accent?
> >>
> > It's the no accent accent.
>
> Oh. Because to me, we have no accent here. But I'll bet people who live
> elsewhere think we do.
>
I called it a California accent already.

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On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:08:18 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> sf wrote:
> >
> > Yes, my objection to Jamie Oliver's speech impediment. He sounds like
> > he has a mouth full of marbles (which some here claim is a regional
> > accent). It's like listening to fingernails on a blackboard (or
> > worse, squeaking a balloon) to me. I can't hear his message because
> > it's too hard to get past his mush mouthed enunciation.
>
> I'll have to look for more of him on tv. I've only seen him a couple
> of times and I never noticed any speech impediment that many claim
> here. I've always just liked the fact that he's "let's get down to
> business" personality with no gimmicks, like constant smiling, etc. He
> obviously knows how to cook very well.
>
I like him and his shows, but his lisp drives me right up the wall.
Have you caught one of his shows where he barbecues? He has a hole in
the ground where he builds a fire and puts a grate over it to cook.
Very low tech and very, very cool.


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On 8/7/2013 11:14 AM, sf wrote:

> I like him and his shows, but his lisp drives me right up the wall.
> Have you caught one of his shows where he barbecues? He has a hole in
> the ground where he builds a fire and puts a grate over it to cook.
> Very low tech and very, very cool.
>
My Dad used to do that when we were kids. Well, he dug the hole - my
mother did the cooking.

On 07/08/2013 11:05 AM, sf wrote:

>
> Slight accents can be understandable, but most people don't stop at
> slight. Between mumbling and full on accents, I'm glad movies on DVD
> come with English subtitles these days. In RL, I can't understand
> every word of FOBs with full on regional accents; even if they are
> from countries where English is supposedly an official language.
>

I am always surprised by the Buffalo accent, and even more so by the
Tonawanda accent. They are similar but the latter is much more pronounced.

I was surprised to hear my son's voice on the telephone when he was on
his way back after 8 months in Africa. He had been living and working in
a small town in Uganda and had been hanging out with South Africans. He
had acquired a South African accent.

On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 12:03:33 -0400, S Viemeister
> wrote:

> On 8/7/2013 11:14 AM, sf wrote:
>
> > I like him and his shows, but his lisp drives me right up the wall.
> > Have you caught one of his shows where he barbecues? He has a hole in
> > the ground where he builds a fire and puts a grate over it to cook.
> > Very low tech and very, very cool.
> >
> My Dad used to do that when we were kids. Well, he dug the hole - my
> mother did the cooking.

LOL

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sf wrote:
>
> On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:08:18 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> > sf wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, my objection to Jamie Oliver's speech impediment. He sounds like
> > > he has a mouth full of marbles (which some here claim is a regional
> > > accent). It's like listening to fingernails on a blackboard (or
> > > worse, squeaking a balloon) to me. I can't hear his message because
> > > it's too hard to get past his mush mouthed enunciation.
> >
> > I'll have to look for more of him on tv. I've only seen him a couple
> > of times and I never noticed any speech impediment that many claim
> > here. I've always just liked the fact that he's "let's get down to
> > business" personality with no gimmicks, like constant smiling, etc. He
> > obviously knows how to cook very well.
> >
> I like him and his shows, but his lisp drives me right up the wall.
> Have you caught one of his shows where he barbecues? He has a hole in
> the ground where he builds a fire and puts a grate over it to cook.
> Very low tech and very, very cool.
>

In the winter here, I like to hike along the shore of the bay in my
local state park. At low tide, you can wade out in the water, only
ankle deep and harvest oysters attached to the rocks.

One day, I had one of my best lunches ever out there. I dug a pit on
the beach and got a good fire going. Then I waded out and got about 6
nice-sized oysters. Once the fire burned down to hot coals, I set the
oysters on them and let them steam in their own shells until they
opened up. Seafood doesn't get much better than that. :-)

G.

On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 13:34:55 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> sf wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:08:18 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >
> > > sf wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes, my objection to Jamie Oliver's speech impediment. He sounds like
> > > > he has a mouth full of marbles (which some here claim is a regional
> > > > accent). It's like listening to fingernails on a blackboard (or
> > > > worse, squeaking a balloon) to me. I can't hear his message because
> > > > it's too hard to get past his mush mouthed enunciation.
> > >
> > > I'll have to look for more of him on tv. I've only seen him a couple
> > > of times and I never noticed any speech impediment that many claim
> > > here. I've always just liked the fact that he's "let's get down to
> > > business" personality with no gimmicks, like constant smiling, etc. He
> > > obviously knows how to cook very well.
> > >
> > I like him and his shows, but his lisp drives me right up the wall.
> > Have you caught one of his shows where he barbecues? He has a hole in
> > the ground where he builds a fire and puts a grate over it to cook.
> > Very low tech and very, very cool.
> >
>
> In the winter here, I like to hike along the shore of the bay in my
> local state park. At low tide, you can wade out in the water, only
> ankle deep and harvest oysters attached to the rocks.
>
> One day, I had one of my best lunches ever out there. I dug a pit on
> the beach and got a good fire going. Then I waded out and got about 6
> nice-sized oysters. Once the fire burned down to hot coals, I set the
> oysters on them and let them steam in their own shells until they
> opened up. Seafood doesn't get much better than that. :-)
>
Oh, man that sounds delicious! <faint sound of stomach growling>


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On 07/08/2013 1:34 PM, Gary wrote:

>
> One day, I had one of my best lunches ever out there. I dug a pit on
> the beach and got a good fire going. Then I waded out and got about 6
> nice-sized oysters. Once the fire burned down to hot coals, I set the
> oysters on them and let them steam in their own shells until they
> opened up. Seafood doesn't get much better than that. :-)
>
>
Fresh oysters? What was the fire for? Lemon juice and dash of Tabasco
would have done it.

On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 14:09:07 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 07/08/2013 1:34 PM, Gary wrote:
>
> >
> > One day, I had one of my best lunches ever out there. I dug a pit on
> > the beach and got a good fire going. Then I waded out and got about 6
> > nice-sized oysters. Once the fire burned down to hot coals, I set the
> > oysters on them and let them steam in their own shells until they
> > opened up. Seafood doesn't get much better than that. :-)
> >
> >
> Fresh oysters? What was the fire for? Lemon juice and dash of Tabasco
> would have done it.

They're BBQ'd oysters. Cook them, just until they start to pop open.
Pry open and dress. My son makes garlicky melted butter to use, then
you squeeze a slice of lemon on it and add a dash of hot sauce. Gary
was on the beach, so his were very simple bbq'd oysters.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:49:41 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> On 8/6/2013 4:28 PM, Gary wrote:
>> > sf wrote:
>>
>> >> It's the no accent accent.
>> >
>> > I've found that many big cities have that no accent accent. It's a
>> > meld of many. Drive out into the rural areas though and you can tell a
>> > difference fairly easily.
>>
>> Of course, they were from Ohio. And I'm not positive it's to
>> brag about. Many times an accent is nice.
>>
> Hollywood settled on the Ohio accent or lack of one for the
> entertainment industry because it was easily understood by most
> (English speaking) listeners. Their audience didn't have the ability
> to back up and listen to it again or turn it up louder - so they had
> to hear it correctly the first time.
>
>> Someone once told me that Ohio had the most no accent accent.
>>
>> Of course, they were from Ohio. And I'm not positive it's to
>> brag about. Many times an accent is nice.
>
> Slight accents can be understandable, but most people don't stop at
> slight. Between mumbling and full on accents, I'm glad movies on DVD
> come with English subtitles these days. In RL, I can't understand
> every word of FOBs with full on regional accents; even if they are
> from countries where English is supposedly an official language.

One thing I have noticed recently on commercials that drives me nuts is
people seemingly deliberately mis-pronouncing things. I think they do this
so that it makes you pay a little more attention. For instance, saying
pronouncing the word "college" with a short "a" instead of the "o" I have
heard that one a lot.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 07/08/2013 1:34 PM, Gary wrote:
>
> >
> > One day, I had one of my best lunches ever out there. I dug a pit on
> > the beach and got a good fire going. Then I waded out and got about 6
> > nice-sized oysters. Once the fire burned down to hot coals, I set the
> > oysters on them and let them steam in their own shells until they
> > opened up. Seafood doesn't get much better than that. :-)
> >
> >
> Fresh oysters? What was the fire for? Lemon juice and dash of Tabasco
> would have done it.

You even ask that? You've never had fresh, steamed in their shell
oysters, I suppose. I don't eat oysters raw and the lemon juice is
not real cooking to me. Try my method sometime then get back to me.
No need for tabasco either....just fresh cooked in their shells in
their own salty liquid. yum. :-D

On 07/08/2013 4:23 PM, Gary wrote:

>> Fresh oysters? What was the fire for? Lemon juice and dash of Tabasco
>> would have done it.
>
> You even ask that? You've never had fresh, steamed in their shell
> oysters, I suppose. I don't eat oysters raw and the lemon juice is
> not real cooking to me. Try my method sometime then get back to me.
> No need for tabasco either....just fresh cooked in their shells in
> their own salty liquid. yum. :-D
>


I like them raw. I figured that the fresher they are the better they
would be.