She who knows what she wants in the kitchen says the next order of
business - we will be buying a convection toaster oven very soon now -
is to replace the range hood with a combination range hood and microwave
oven, this in order to free up the counter space currently taken up by
the microwave in our small kitchen. The previous discussion of
convection toaster ovens was indeed very helpful.

I imagine this is a matter for a contractor, since I'm sure not all
range hoods are the same, but if anyone has any recommendations, we are
all ears here. We like our microwave ovens powerful - I think our
current model is 1100 or 1200 watts. Our house does vent the range hood
to the outside.

Many thanks in advance.

-S-

Steve Freides" wrote:
>
>we will be buying a convection toaster oven very soon now -
>is to replace the range hood with a combination range hood and microwave
>oven, this in order to free up the counter space currently taken up by
>the microwave in our small kitchen.

An oven over a stove is a terrible catastrophe waiting to occur.

On Friday, July 26, 2013 10:15:59 AM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> An oven over a stove is a terrible catastrophe waiting to occur.

Absolute nonsense.

Combination hoods/microwaves have been around for donkey's years without any problems. They are excellent space savers.

http://www.richardfisher.com

In article >,
says...
>
> On Friday, July 26, 2013 10:15:59 AM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >
> > An oven over a stove is a terrible catastrophe waiting to occur.
>
> Absolute nonsense.
>
> Combination hoods/microwaves have been around for donkey's years without any problems. They are excellent space savers.

I'm sure they save space, but reaching upwards to lift out hot food is
surely a safety risk, especially when standing close to a stove top
that's also in use. So is dropping something onto a boiling pan on the
hob/ stove top.

40 or 50 years ago there was a fashion in the UK for stoves with an
eye-level grill/toast pan above the stove top; we gave that up as a bad
job long ago.

Janet UK

On 7/26/2013 7:58 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> She who knows what she wants in the kitchen says the next order of
> business - we will be buying a convection toaster oven very soon now -
> is to replace the range hood with a combination range hood and microwave
> oven, this in order to free up the counter space currently taken up by
> the microwave in our small kitchen. The previous discussion of
> convection toaster ovens was indeed very helpful.
>
> I imagine this is a matter for a contractor, since I'm sure not all
> range hoods are the same, but if anyone has any recommendations, we are
> all ears here. We like our microwave ovens powerful - I think our
> current model is 1100 or 1200 watts. Our house does vent the range hood
> to the outside.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> -S-
>
>

GE Advantium.

Janet wrote:
> says...
>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> >
>> > An oven over a stove is a terrible catastrophe waiting to occur.
>>
>> Absolute nonsense.
>> Combination hoods/microwaves have been around for donkey's years without any problems.
>> They are excellent space savers.
>
> I'm sure they save space, but reaching upwards to lift out hot food is
>surely a safety risk, especially when standing close to a stove top
>that's also in use. So is dropping something onto a boiling pan on the
>hob/ stove top.
>
> 40 or 50 years ago there was a fashion in the UK for stoves with an
>eye-level grill/toast pan above the stove top; we gave that up as a bad
>job long ago.
>
> Janet UK

Schmeckle wouldn't comprehend, he doesn't cook.

casa bona wrote:
>
> On 7/26/2013 7:58 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> > She who knows what she wants in the kitchen says the next order of
> > business - we will be buying a convection toaster oven very soon now -
> > is to replace the range hood with a combination range hood and microwave
> > oven, this in order to free up the counter space currently taken up by
> > the microwave in our small kitchen. The previous discussion of
> > convection toaster ovens was indeed very helpful.
> >
> > I imagine this is a matter for a contractor, since I'm sure not all
> > range hoods are the same, but if anyone has any recommendations, we are
> > all ears here. We like our microwave ovens powerful - I think our
> > current model is 1100 or 1200 watts. Our house does vent the range hood
> > to the outside.
> >
> > Many thanks in advance.
> >
> > -S-
> >
> >
>
> GE Advantium.

This, and specifically the more powerful 240V version if you can do the
electrical for it (easy).

In article >,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> casa bona wrote:
> >
> > On 7/26/2013 7:58 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> > > She who knows what she wants in the kitchen says the next order of
> > > business - we will be buying a convection toaster oven very soon now -
> > > is to replace the range hood with a combination range hood and microwave
> > > oven, this in order to free up the counter space currently taken up by
> > > the microwave in our small kitchen. The previous discussion of
> > > convection toaster ovens was indeed very helpful.
> > >
> > > I imagine this is a matter for a contractor, since I'm sure not all
> > > range hoods are the same, but if anyone has any recommendations, we are
> > > all ears here. We like our microwave ovens powerful - I think our
> > > current model is 1100 or 1200 watts. Our house does vent the range hood
> > > to the outside.
> > >
> > > Many thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > -S-
> > >
> > >
> >
> > GE Advantium.
>
> This, and specifically the more powerful 240V version if you can do the
> electrical for it (easy).

and it has a convection oven included

"Janet" wrote in message
t...

In article >,
says...
>
> On Friday, July 26, 2013 10:15:59 AM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >
> > An oven over a stove is a terrible catastrophe waiting to occur.
>
> Absolute nonsense.
>
> Combination hoods/microwaves have been around for donkey's years without
> any problems. They are excellent space savers.

I'm sure they save space, but reaching upwards to lift out hot food is
surely a safety risk, especially when standing close to a stove top
that's also in use. So is dropping something onto a boiling pan on the
hob/ stove top.

40 or 50 years ago there was a fashion in the UK for stoves with an
eye-level grill/toast pan above the stove top; we gave that up as a bad
job long ago.

Janet UK

~~~~~~~~
Yes! I like the fact that microwaves above the oven look nice and save
counter space, but I have avoided them for exactly the same reasons you
listed. The dangers get worse and worse as we get older. And, of course,
heavy containers add to the problem.

MaryL

On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 09:58:14 -0400, "Steve Freides" >
wrote:

> She who knows what she wants in the kitchen says the next order of
> business - we will be buying a convection toaster oven very soon now -
> is to replace the range hood with a combination range hood and microwave
> oven, this in order to free up the counter space currently taken up by
> the microwave in our small kitchen. The previous discussion of
> convection toaster ovens was indeed very helpful.
>
> I imagine this is a matter for a contractor, since I'm sure not all
> range hoods are the same, but if anyone has any recommendations, we are
> all ears here. We like our microwave ovens powerful - I think our
> current model is 1100 or 1200 watts. Our house does vent the range hood
> to the outside.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
Wondering if your stovetop is gas or electric? Will you be able to
find one of those combo units with a decent fan in it? If it's gas,
you may want to reconsider due to toxins (particularly nitrogen
dioxide) in the air and the need to ventilate more than most people
think.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
news
> Steve Freides" wrote:
>>
>>we will be buying a convection toaster oven very soon now -
>>is to replace the range hood with a combination range hood and microwave
>>oven, this in order to free up the counter space currently taken up by
>>the microwave in our small kitchen.
>
> An oven over a stove is a terrible catastrophe waiting to occur.

Yes. I had one. Mine was on a super old stove and I recently read an
article at some website that mentioned the very stove that I had. The oven
above had a glass door with sharp metal edges on it. And when you went to
open it, it could fly open very easily. Most of the injuries sustained by
it were when it hit someone as they tried to open it. Because it wasn't
insulated, it was very hot and could cause a burn. In my case, the sharp
corner of the door nicked the skin at the edge of my eye. I was lucky.
Some people were seriously injured. But beyond that...

You had to lift down a hot pan of food and that could cause further
injuries. Mostly burns. Not something I would recommend. After that, I
only used it occasionally as a warming oven. For instance, to keep some
rolls or bread warm when making a large dinner.

"Helpful person" > wrote in message
...
> On Friday, July 26, 2013 10:15:59 AM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> An oven over a stove is a terrible catastrophe waiting to occur.
>
> Absolute nonsense.
>
> Combination hoods/microwaves have been around for donkey's years without
> any problems. They are excellent space savers.
>
> http://www.richardfisher.com

They are not necessarily without problems. The people I know who have them
complain about them. Especially when they break and need to be replaced.
Often due to the size, they are forced to replace them with the same poor
quality unit that they pulled out.

In article > ,
Janet > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Friday, July 26, 2013 10:15:59 AM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > >
> > > An oven over a stove is a terrible catastrophe waiting to occur.
> >
> > Absolute nonsense.
> >
> > Combination hoods/microwaves have been around for donkey's years without any problems. They are excellent space savers.
>
> I'm sure they save space, but reaching upwards to lift out hot food is
> surely a safety risk, especially when standing close to a stove top
> that's also in use. So is dropping something onto a boiling pan on the
> hob/ stove top.
>
> 40 or 50 years ago there was a fashion in the UK for stoves with an
> eye-level grill/toast pan above the stove top; we gave that up as a bad
> job long ago.

All this time I thought Flanders and Swann made up that one.

<http://www.iankitching.me.uk/humour/hippo/design.html>

--
Michael Press

In article >,
says...
> Subject: Small Kitchen Appliances - Next, Range Hood and Microwave Combo
> From: Michael Press >
> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>
> In article > ,
> Janet > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > On Friday, July 26, 2013 10:15:59 AM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > An oven over a stove is a terrible catastrophe waiting to occur.
> > >
> > > Absolute nonsense.
> > >
> > > Combination hoods/microwaves have been around for donkey's years without any problems. They are excellent space savers.
> >
> > I'm sure they save space, but reaching upwards to lift out hot food is
> > surely a safety risk, especially when standing close to a stove top
> > that's also in use. So is dropping something onto a boiling pan on the
> > hob/ stove top.
> >
> > 40 or 50 years ago there was a fashion in the UK for stoves with an
> > eye-level grill/toast pan above the stove top; we gave that up as a bad
> > job long ago.
>
> All this time I thought Flanders and Swann made up that one.
>
> <http://www.iankitching.me.uk/humour/hippo/design.html>
>
No, it's just like they said :-) If the toast caught fire you could
singe your eyebrows and put a free perm in your hair.

Janet UK

Personally, I wouldn't want anything hot and maybe even in a liquid state above head level. I'd rather tie up counter space.

Also, I've never known a range hood and fan I'VE ever had to work for very long.

Steve Freides wrote:
> She who knows what she wants in the kitchen says the next order of
> business - we will be buying a convection toaster oven very soon now -
> is to replace the range hood with a combination range hood and microwave
> oven, this in order to free up the counter space currently taken up by
> the microwave in our small kitchen. The previous discussion of
> convection toaster ovens was indeed very helpful.
>
> I imagine this is a matter for a contractor, since I'm sure not all
> range hoods are the same, but if anyone has any recommendations, we are
> all ears here. We like our microwave ovens powerful - I think our
> current model is 1100 or 1200 watts. Our house does vent the range hood
> to the outside.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> -S-
>
>
Let me say... that I really did not like the combo range hood and
exhaust fan that was originally in my last house. The whole thing
was too low, which resulted in steam dripping back down into what
I was cooking. Do think about that possibility.

If you decide not to do a combo, I would be happy to suggest a
nice exhaust fan for you.

BTW, in my new kitchen I have my microwave above the oven with
intervening space and counter between the two. It is mostly a
nice arrangement, although the oven is rather low.

--
Jean B.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Steve Freides" wrote:
>> we will be buying a convection toaster oven very soon now -
>> is to replace the range hood with a combination range hood and microwave
>> oven, this in order to free up the counter space currently taken up by
>> the microwave in our small kitchen.
>
> An oven over a stove is a terrible catastrophe waiting to occur.
>
>
Oh good. Another person who doesn't like that arrangement.

--
Jean B.

Convince here not to do it!

There is no such things as a combo microwave oven and exhaust fan which
has an exhaust fan powerful enough for serious cooking.

In addition, the combo costs you valuable working space above your pots.

In my last two homes, first thing I've done is to rip out the combo unit
and replace it with a Broan 400 CFM exhaust hood. They're great, and
have been discussed in detail in this NG about five years ago, with
pictures confirming their vapor gathering ability.

-- Larry

Steve Freides > wrote:

> She who knows what she wants in the kitchen says the next order of
> business - we will be buying a convection toaster oven very soon now -
> is to replace the range hood with a combination range hood and microwave
> oven, this in order to free up the counter space currently taken up by
> the microwave in our small kitchen.

Perfect grounds for divorce, as far as I am concerned, unless it is your
wife/s.o. who is going to use that microwave exclusively. Nothing is as
incovenient - and potentially dangerous - to use as an oven, microvave
or otherwise, that is placed too high - and over boiling oil or other
liquids.

Your want a convection oven and a microwave oven - and you want to save
space? Buy a combination convection/microwave oven. Where is the
problem? These combinations are common - and there are many that
include a grill/broiling element, too.

Victor

On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:01:27 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:

>Personally, I wouldn't want anything hot and maybe even in a liquid state above head level. I'd rather tie up counter space.
>
>Also, I've never known a range hood and fan I'VE ever had to work for very long.


You must be very short. They are not above head level.

On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:01:26 -0700, sf > wrote:



>>
>Wondering if your stovetop is gas or electric? Will you be able to
>find one of those combo units with a decent fan in it? If it's gas,
>you may want to reconsider due to toxins (particularly nitrogen
>dioxide) in the air and the need to ventilate more than most people
>think.

Hundreds of thousand of houses have gas ranges and NO vents. Using a
microwave to vent is not as good as a well made dedicated hood, but
far better than nothing.

In spite of all the negative comments, we have had an OTR microwave
for about 25 years. First was a Quaser, this one is a GE with
convection oven too. Comes in handy as a second oven at times.

Yes, it is higher than a regular counter top model, but we've never
had a spill or accident due to the height. My wife is 5'3" and can
handle 95% of what she uses it for. The other 5% she will ask me to
take something in or out.

Most of what it is used for has solid food or in a deep dish, such as
cooking veggies. If you were trying to heat a large bowl of soup
filled to the top, you'd be pushing the limits of sensibility. If we
do heat soup, the bowl is put on a plate and then into the microwave.
Heating a couple of slices of pizza? No big deal. Baking a Ray's
bagel, works great.

Installation does take two people. You put in a bracket first, then
slide or hang the unit from the bracket. To vent, you have to cut a
hole in the cabinet, but since you have a vent now, it would be OK.

On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 00:53:54 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:01:27 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> > wrote:
>
> >Personally, I wouldn't want anything hot and maybe even in a liquid state above head level. I'd rather tie up counter space.
> >
> >Also, I've never known a range hood and fan I'VE ever had to work for very long.
>
>
> You must be very short. They are not above head level.

I've only had one experience with ovens above the stove (in an
apartment) and I absolutely LOVED them. Wish that type of stove was
still being made. The other feature I liked was the burners
(electric) being in a row and they could be pushed back into the unit
(out of sight) when not in use. It was similar to this one
http://obviousdiversion.com/personal/frigidaire-flair/ A number of
features were slightly different, but this illustrates the concept.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:01:26 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>
>
>>>
>>Wondering if your stovetop is gas or electric? Will you be able to
>>find one of those combo units with a decent fan in it? If it's gas,
>>you may want to reconsider due to toxins (particularly nitrogen
>>dioxide) in the air and the need to ventilate more than most people
>>think.
>
> Hundreds of thousand of houses have gas ranges and NO vents. Using a
> microwave to vent is not as good as a well made dedicated hood, but
> far better than nothing.

Mine has no vent but only by mistake. When I bought this house, the guy who
did the inspection said that my range hood wasn't vented. And that's
because it appeared not to be. So when I got the replacement one, I told
the guy that it wasn't vented. So he bought me one that wasn't vented.
Then after having a hell of a time removing the old one, he discovered that
it was in fact vented. Oh well! I was never able to use the old one for
long due to an electrical problem so if things got bad in there, like a lot
of steam or something, I'd just open the door.

What I have now does have a cleanable filter in it. But I rarely need to
use it. My kitchen doesn't stink. My house doesn't stink. And there's not
the greasy film on the walls that I have seem mentioned here. That being
said, I never deep fry and when I pan fry I only use a little oil.
>
> In spite of all the negative comments, we have had an OTR microwave
> for about 25 years. First was a Quaser, this one is a GE with
> convection oven too. Comes in handy as a second oven at times.
>
> Yes, it is higher than a regular counter top model, but we've never
> had a spill or accident due to the height. My wife is 5'3" and can
> handle 95% of what she uses it for. The other 5% she will ask me to
> take something in or out.
>
> Most of what it is used for has solid food or in a deep dish, such as
> cooking veggies. If you were trying to heat a large bowl of soup
> filled to the top, you'd be pushing the limits of sensibility. If we
> do heat soup, the bowl is put on a plate and then into the microwave.
> Heating a couple of slices of pizza? No big deal. Baking a Ray's
> bagel, works great.
>
> Installation does take two people. You put in a bracket first, then
> slide or hang the unit from the bracket. To vent, you have to cut a
> hole in the cabinet, but since you have a vent now, it would be OK.

My microwave is in a built in. It is above the counter so you do have to
reach up a bit to get into it. But it is not overhead. I am not sure I
would want one up that high. I sure know that I did not like that regular
oven I had that was up high and I certainly would not want a microwave over
the stove.

In article >,
says...
>

> Hundreds of thousand of houses have gas ranges and NO vents.

In the UK, that's illegal now.

Janet UK

On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 06:16:21 +0200, (Victor Sack)
wrote:



>
>Your want a convection oven and a microwave oven - and you want to save
>space? Buy a combination convection/microwave oven. Where is the
>problem? These combinations are common - and there are many that
>include a grill/broiling element, too.
>
>Victor

I'm happy for you that you have a lot of counter space. Some of us
don't. If I could not have the OTR, I've have none. We've been very
happy with ours for 25 years now.

On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 12:55:46 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>>
>
>> Hundreds of thousand of houses have gas ranges and NO vents.
>
> In the UK, that's illegal now.
>
> Janet UK


I grew up in Philadelphia. There were tens of thousands of homes
built from the late 1800's to the 1970's with gas ranges and no vents.
The three houses I lived in had none. I have no idea what the present
code is. In the 35 years we lived there, I never heard of anyone
getting sick or dead from a gas range, but heck, there were only 2
million of us and a few did have vents..

casa bona wrote:
> On 7/26/2013 7:58 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>> She who knows what she wants in the kitchen says the next order of
>> business - we will be buying a convection toaster oven very soon now
>> - is to replace the range hood with a combination range hood and
>> microwave oven, this in order to free up the counter space currently
>> taken up by the microwave in our small kitchen. The previous
>> discussion of convection toaster ovens was indeed very helpful.
>>
>> I imagine this is a matter for a contractor, since I'm sure not all
>> range hoods are the same, but if anyone has any recommendations, we
>> are all ears here. We like our microwave ovens powerful - I think
>> our current model is 1100 or 1200 watts. Our house does vent the
>> range hood to the outside.
>>
>> Many thanks in advance.
>>
>> -S-
>>
>>
>
> GE Advantium.

This looks interesting - from what I read on GE's web site, it's a
combination of microwave _and_ convection conventional (heating
elements) cooking? The web info isn't all that easy to decipher, IMHO.

Wiring it for 240 - I will ask that question, should be possible.

-S-

In article >,
says...
> ubject: Small Kitchen Appliances - Next, Range Hood and Microwave Combo
> From: Ed Pawlowski >
> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>
> On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 12:55:46 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> >says...
> >>
> >
> >> Hundreds of thousand of houses have gas ranges and NO vents.
> >
> > In the UK, that's illegal now.
> >
> > Janet UK
>
>
> I grew up in Philadelphia. There were tens of thousands of homes
> built from the late 1800's to the 1970's with gas ranges and no vents.
> The three houses I lived in had none. I have no idea what the present
> code is. In the 35 years we lived there, I never heard of anyone
> getting sick or dead from a gas range, but heck, there were only 2
> million of us and a few did have vents..
>
> http://articles.latimes.com/1991-12-...40_1_gas-stove

GREENWOOD, W. Va. ? Fumes from a leaky, unvented gas stove apparently
killed three hunters while they slept, state police said Friday.

http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/consumer/09939.html

Janet.

On 7/27/2013 8:42 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 06:16:21 +0200, (Victor Sack)
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>> Your want a convection oven and a microwave oven - and you want to save
>> space? Buy a combination convection/microwave oven. Where is the
>> problem? These combinations are common - and there are many that
>> include a grill/broiling element, too.
>>
>> Victor
>
> I'm happy for you that you have a lot of counter space. Some of us
> don't. If I could not have the OTR, I've have none. We've been very
> happy with ours for 25 years now.
>


Happy with our OTR over gas stove. Counter space is great. Microwave is
mostly for heating up butter and frozen veggies.

Current code in our part of Canada was that the OTR Microwave/Hood fan
should be on a separate 15 amp circuit and oddly enuf an electrical
inspector actually picked our renovation to come look at(he was
inspecting electrician's work) and noted that was the case.

I suggest you spend a bit of money and get a model that has multiple
hood fan speeds.

"Janet" wrote in message
t...

In article >,
says...
>

> Hundreds of thousand of houses have gas ranges and NO vents.

In the UK, that's illegal now.

Janet UK

~~~~~~~
I think that's also true of most of the US, too, but there are still large
numbers of homes where owners ignore the codes. Some are homes where the
hoods were installed before codes were enacted, and many involve homeowners
who installed the hoods themselves (or with the help of friends) and ignored
codes. I have an electric range, but I do have gas central heating. So, I
have carbon monoxide detectors in every bedroom, and I have the system
professionally checked every year.

MaryL

On 7/26/2013 10:16 PM, Victor Sack wrote:
> Steve Freides > wrote:
>
>> She who knows what she wants in the kitchen says the next order of
>> business - we will be buying a convection toaster oven very soon now -
>> is to replace the range hood with a combination range hood and microwave
>> oven, this in order to free up the counter space currently taken up by
>> the microwave in our small kitchen.
>
> Perfect grounds for divorce, as far as I am concerned, unless it is your
> wife/s.o. who is going to use that microwave exclusively. Nothing is as
> incovenient - and potentially dangerous - to use as an oven, microvave
> or otherwise, that is placed too high - and over boiling oil or other
> liquids.

Yet they are ubiquitous, go figure...

> Your want a convection oven and a microwave oven - and you want to save
> space? Buy a combination convection/microwave oven. Where is the
> problem? These combinations are common - and there are many that
> include a grill/broiling element, too.
>
> Victor
>
GE Advantium.

On 7/26/2013 11:10 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 00:53:54 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:01:27 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Personally, I wouldn't want anything hot and maybe even in a liquid state above head level. I'd rather tie up counter space.
>>>
>>> Also, I've never known a range hood and fan I'VE ever had to work for very long.
>>
>>
>> You must be very short. They are not above head level.
>
> I've only had one experience with ovens above the stove (in an
> apartment) and I absolutely LOVED them. Wish that type of stove was
> still being made. The other feature I liked was the burners
> (electric) being in a row and they could be pushed back into the unit
> (out of sight) when not in use. It was similar to this one
> http://obviousdiversion.com/personal/frigidaire-flair/ A number of
> features were slightly different, but this illustrates the concept.
>

A trip down memory lane - thanks!

On 7/27/2013 8:56 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> casa bona wrote:
>> On 7/26/2013 7:58 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>> She who knows what she wants in the kitchen says the next order of
>>> business - we will be buying a convection toaster oven very soon now
>>> - is to replace the range hood with a combination range hood and
>>> microwave oven, this in order to free up the counter space currently
>>> taken up by the microwave in our small kitchen. The previous
>>> discussion of convection toaster ovens was indeed very helpful.
>>>
>>> I imagine this is a matter for a contractor, since I'm sure not all
>>> range hoods are the same, but if anyone has any recommendations, we
>>> are all ears here. We like our microwave ovens powerful - I think
>>> our current model is 1100 or 1200 watts. Our house does vent the
>>> range hood to the outside.
>>>
>>> Many thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>>
>>>
>>
>> GE Advantium.
>
> This looks interesting - from what I read on GE's web site, it's a
> combination of microwave _and_ convection conventional (heating
> elements) cooking? The web info isn't all that easy to decipher, IMHO.
>
> Wiring it for 240 - I will ask that question, should be possible.
>
> -S-
>
>
They do make a 110 volt model, but 240 is preferable.

In article >, stancole1
@invalid.yahoo.com says...
>
> "Janet" wrote in message
> t...
>
> In article >,
> says...
> >
>
> > Hundreds of thousand of houses have gas ranges and NO vents.
>
> In the UK, that's illegal now.
>
> Janet UK
>
> ~~~~~~~
> I think that's also true of most of the US, too, but there are still large
> numbers of homes where owners ignore the codes. Some are homes where the
> hoods were installed before codes were enacted, and many involve homeowners
> who installed the hoods themselves (or with the help of friends) and ignored
> codes. I have an electric range, but I do have gas central heating. So, I
> have carbon monoxide detectors in every bedroom, and I have the system
> professionally checked every year.

Here, a landlord letting a property with no gas venting would face
criminal charges and he'd get caught PDQ because he's also required to
have regualrm sertificated professional gas safety checks. Private
owners would be more likely to get caught when they tried to sell the
property, or get their gas apliances serviced.Only registered
professionals are permitted to do any gas installations or servicing
and they have the power to on-the-spot condemn and disconnect the
supply if they find an unsafe installation or appliances.


Janet UK

Janet.

casa bona wrote:
> On 7/27/2013 8:56 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>> casa bona wrote:
>>> On 7/26/2013 7:58 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>>> She who knows what she wants in the kitchen says the next order of
>>>> business - we will be buying a convection toaster oven very soon
>>>> now - is to replace the range hood with a combination range hood
>>>> and microwave oven, this in order to free up the counter space
>>>> currently taken up by the microwave in our small kitchen. The
>>>> previous discussion of convection toaster ovens was indeed very
>>>> helpful. I imagine this is a matter for a contractor, since I'm
>>>> sure not all
>>>> range hoods are the same, but if anyone has any recommendations, we
>>>> are all ears here. We like our microwave ovens powerful - I think
>>>> our current model is 1100 or 1200 watts. Our house does vent the
>>>> range hood to the outside.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> -S-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> GE Advantium.
>>
>> This looks interesting - from what I read on GE's web site, it's a
>> combination of microwave _and_ convection conventional (heating
>> elements) cooking? The web info isn't all that easy to decipher,
>> IMHO. Wiring it for 240 - I will ask that question, should be
>> possible.
>>
>> -S-
>>
>>
> They do make a 110 volt model, but 240 is preferable.

Thanks. Do I understand that it's both a normal oven with a convection
fan _and_ a microwave? It wasn't clear to me that there were actually
conventional heating elements in it as well (although I've never heard
of a convection microwave ...)

Thanks again.

-S-

Janet wrote:

> GREENWOOD, W. Va. ? Fumes from a leaky, unvented gas stove apparently
> killed three hunters while they slept, state police said Friday.
>
> http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/consumer/09939.html
>
> Janet.

It's "leaky" and not "unvented" that killed them.

-S-

Jean B. wrote:

> Let me say... that I really did not like the combo range hood and
> exhaust fan that was originally in my last house. The whole thing
> was too low, which resulted in steam dripping back down into what
> I was cooking. Do think about that possibility.
>
> If you decide not to do a combo, I would be happy to suggest a
> nice exhaust fan for you.

We already have a range hood with a vented exhaust fan. The one in the
house when we bought it lasted a number of years and, when it finally
died, we bought an inexpensive one from IKEA and had it installed by our
handman/electrician, and that one has worked flawlessly for a number of
years now, perhaps 10.

-S-

pltrgyst wrote:
> Convince here not to do it!
>
> There is no such things as a combo microwave oven and exhaust fan
> which has an exhaust fan powerful enough for serious cooking.
>
> In addition, the combo costs you valuable working space above your
> pots.
> In my last two homes, first thing I've done is to rip out the combo
> unit and replace it with a Broan 400 CFM exhaust hood. They're great,
> and have been discussed in detail in this NG about five years ago,
> with pictures confirming their vapor gathering ability.
>
> -- Larry

The cabinets above our stove are already too tall for my wife, but I do
use them for some things. Neither of us is tall - she's about 5' 2" and
I'm about 5' 7". It's essentially useless working space for us, and a
microwave there would make better use of it.

The concern I hear in this thread is about removing hot things from the
above-stove microwave, and that's something I intend to discuss with my
wife at length before we move on this.

-S-

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...
> pltrgyst wrote:
>> Convince here not to do it!
>>
>> There is no such things as a combo microwave oven and exhaust fan
>> which has an exhaust fan powerful enough for serious cooking.
>>
>> In addition, the combo costs you valuable working space above your
>> pots.
>> In my last two homes, first thing I've done is to rip out the combo
>> unit and replace it with a Broan 400 CFM exhaust hood. They're great,
>> and have been discussed in detail in this NG about five years ago,
>> with pictures confirming their vapor gathering ability.
>>
>> -- Larry
>
> The cabinets above our stove are already too tall for my wife, but I do
> use them for some things. Neither of us is tall - she's about 5' 2" and
> I'm about 5' 7". It's essentially useless working space for us, and a
> microwave there would make better use of it.
>
> The concern I hear in this thread is about removing hot things from the
> above-stove microwave, and that's something I intend to discuss with my
> wife at length before we move on this.

I use a wee folding stool in the kitchen, although I never have to lift hot
stuff down.

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On 7/27/2013 2:34 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
> casa bona wrote:
>> On 7/27/2013 8:56 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>> casa bona wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2013 7:58 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>>>> She who knows what she wants in the kitchen says the next order of
>>>>> business - we will be buying a convection toaster oven very soon
>>>>> now - is to replace the range hood with a combination range hood
>>>>> and microwave oven, this in order to free up the counter space
>>>>> currently taken up by the microwave in our small kitchen. The
>>>>> previous discussion of convection toaster ovens was indeed very
>>>>> helpful. I imagine this is a matter for a contractor, since I'm
>>>>> sure not all
>>>>> range hoods are the same, but if anyone has any recommendations, we
>>>>> are all ears here. We like our microwave ovens powerful - I think
>>>>> our current model is 1100 or 1200 watts. Our house does vent the
>>>>> range hood to the outside.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> -S-
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> GE Advantium.
>>>
>>> This looks interesting - from what I read on GE's web site, it's a
>>> combination of microwave _and_ convection conventional (heating
>>> elements) cooking? The web info isn't all that easy to decipher,
>>> IMHO. Wiring it for 240 - I will ask that question, should be
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>>
>>>
>> They do make a 110 volt model, but 240 is preferable.
>
> Thanks. Do I understand that it's both a normal oven with a convection
> fan _and_ a microwave? It wasn't clear to me that there were actually
> conventional heating elements in it as well (although I've never heard
> of a convection microwave ...)
>
> Thanks again.
>
> -S-
>
>
Sort of yes, it substitutes halogen bulbs for heating elements.

http://www.cnet.com/8301-13553_1-9981687-32.html

(from way back in 2008)

http://www.wiredprairie.us/journal/2...iew_revis.html