On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:40:28 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> My mom said she was horrified when he and my grandma who also dressed up all
> the time (wore gold metallic Daniel Greens to the beach) stepped off of the
> plane at the airport. She said some woman shrieked, "Look at that guy! He
> must BE someone!" My mom replied, "No. That's just my FIL".
>
> By the time I knew him, he was only a Keebler rep. But he always did carry
> himself like he was royalty. And he and my grandma also had the tendency to
> treat other people as though they were royalty. This did seem to work for
> my grandpa, perhaps because he was a man. But more often than not it
> backfired for my grandma and she was rather regarded as a witch with a b.

People were more formal back in the day. I have a friend whom I've
know since college and we used to go on picnics with his family. His
father was the only person I've ever known to wear a 3 piece suit to a
picnic (even on a hot day).

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 6/17/2013 7:00 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

> Oooh! Anne Burrell is another one I can't stand. She has his hair! I
> gather that she is a very good cook. It's just her superior attitude that I
> can't stand. Likewise for Joanne Weir.

"I'm a happy girl!" This is repeated at least 3 times during a 1-hour
show. She is an okay cook, though.

Becca

Dry Italian Seasoning Mix


1 1/2 teaspoons garlic powder
1 tablespoon onion powder
2 tablespoons oregano
1 tablespoon dried parsley
1-2 tablespoons granulated sugar
1 tablespoons salt
1 teaspoon black pepper
1 teaspoon dried basil
1/4 teaspoon thyme
1/2 teaspoon dried celery flakes
dried mustard?

Mix all ingredients together and store in air-tight container.
Shake dry ingredients, then mix 2 tablespoons of this mix with 1/4 cup
vinegar, 2 tbs water, and 1/2 to 2/3 cup olive oil or canola oil.
Refrigerate and shake well before using.

On 18/06/2013 7:18 PM, sf wrote:

> People were more formal back in the day. I have a friend whom I've
> know since college and we used to go on picnics with his family. His
> father was the only person I've ever known to wear a 3 piece suit to a
> picnic (even on a hot day).
>


Three piece? That is formal. My FiL wore two piece suits. That is what
he wore all the time. I did occasionally see him with just the pants
with a shirt and tie, no jacket.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 11:27:44 -0400, Susan > wrote:
>>
>>> The cake mix with lime Jell-O poured into it was really sickening.
>>
>> I've heard of doing that before. Isn't it some kind of homestyle
>> classic and isn't home cooking the premise of her show?
>
> They were called "Poke Cakes". Bake the cake, use the handle of a wooden
> spoon to poke holes in it then pour in the Jell-O.



No, we're talking about her Key Lime Cake. Completely different than a "Poke
Cake."

Cheri

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...

> See to me, I don't think it is fake laughter. That is exactly how my
> grandpa was. Constantly amusing himself and constantly laughing at what
> he said.


I had an uncle that did that. I miss it now that he's gone.

Cheri

On 6/18/2013 5:16 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:27:20 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>
>> On 6/18/2013 10:12 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:02:39 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> They are another Southern cooking show I don't like... not as annoying
>>> as Paula Deen, but their "gimme some sugar" and fake laugher schtick
>>> puts me into channel changing mode.
>>>
>> I think that's just sort of generic African American southern style
>> banter, ftmp.
>
> I think it's as fake as Paula Deen, but YMMV.

I'm not saying they haven't played it up for TV...

>>
>> But when you see them interviewed or on other shows they're super nice
>> folks.
>
> By other shows, you mean....? Can't say I've seen them interviewed
> anywhere.

I can't remember the programs, but I've seen them on AM TV as well as
other Food and Cooking Channel cameos.

> I don't watch FN unless it's a cooking demonstration type
> show. I am totally disinterested in cooking competitions and shows
> like DDD or The Best Thing I Ever Ate. Can't even say I've seen one
> of those chef biographies people mention. If there's no written
> recipe, I don't watch it.
>

I hate the cooking competition shows like "Chopped" and so on. They're
just dumb. Also color me not an "Iron Chef" fan.

On 6/18/2013 7:33 PM, John J wrote:
> On 18 Jun 2013 14:40:00 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>> On 2013-06-17, Dave Smith > wrote:
>>> On 17/06/2013 3:34 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>>
>>> Bobby Flay cooks some interesting stuff, but his manner turns me off.
>>
>> Agree. Too arrogant.
>>
>> Rich Bayless and Chris Kimbull. Too many reasons to list.
>
> I always thought Christopher Kimball was kind of a pleasant nerdy
> type. Or does he torture kittens in the dark?
>

Read his column, he's a thoughtful and decent man.

On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:04:05 +1000, John J > wrote:

>On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:08:06 +0300, Opinicus
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:33:02 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>>SF mentioned his speech problem. WTH? I've never noticed one. He has a
>>>distinct UK accent but that's all.
>>When you're born in Essex and grow up in a family-owned pub, that's
>>how you talk.

>You guys really think everybody in the UK talks with a lisp?
For the record (since it was my message that got quoted) I don't think
everybody in the UK talks with a lisp...

--
Bob
www.kanyak.com

On 2013-06-19, casa bona > wrote:

> Read his column, he's a thoughtful and decent man.

He's a fraud. Almost zero background in culinary anything, he's a
publisher first and formost. He picked cooking as the focus of his
publishing empire cuz it has the biggest audience. Yes, he has taken
some cooking courses, but has never worked as a chef, cook, prep
flunky, burger flipper, waiter, bus boy, or even dishwasher. They
don't call him Pompous Bowtie Man for nothing.

Bayless is an arrogant jerk in it for the $$$. Despite a deep
knowledge of Mex cuisine, he sees his customers and audience as
ignorant fools and talks down to them in an affected voice like they
all jes stepped off the short bus. Beware of buyng his instructional
materials cuz you may get burned. I was.

nb

On 6/18/2013 9:24 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-06-19, casa bona > wrote:
>
>> Read his column, he's a thoughtful and decent man.
>
> He's a fraud. Almost zero background in culinary anything, he's a
> publisher first and formost. He picked cooking as the focus of his
> publishing empire cuz it has the biggest audience. Yes, he has taken
> some cooking courses, but has never worked as a chef, cook, prep
> flunky, burger flipper, waiter, bus boy, or even dishwasher. They
> don't call him Pompous Bowtie Man for nothing.

Oh wow.

> Bayless is an arrogant jerk in it for the $$$. Despite a deep
> knowledge of Mex cuisine, he sees his customers and audience as
> ignorant fools and talks down to them in an affected voice like they
> all jes stepped off the short bus. Beware of buyng his instructional
> materials cuz you may get burned. I was.
>
> nb

You seem very cynical.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 11:27:44 -0400, Susan > wrote:
>>>
>>>> The cake mix with lime Jell-O poured into it was really sickening.
>>>
>>> I've heard of doing that before. Isn't it some kind of homestyle
>>> classic and isn't home cooking the premise of her show?
>>
>> They were called "Poke Cakes". Bake the cake, use the handle of a wooden
>> spoon to poke holes in it then pour in the Jell-O.
>
>
>
> No, we're talking about her Key Lime Cake. Completely different than a
> "Poke Cake."

Key Lime Cake with Jell-O? Does it even come in Key Lime?

"casa bona" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/18/2013 4:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "casa bona" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/18/2013 10:12 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:02:39 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/17/2013 9:37 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>> "casa bona" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Mind you I'm not disagreeing, but I know jealous types who despise
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> both, no lie.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is something in many of us that can not tolerate success in
>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They annoy me. I'm not jealous. Just do not appeal to me. I'll
>>>>>> take
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Neely's any day. I know that people can't stand them but they remind
>>>>>> me of
>>>>>> my grandparents. His laugh was just like my grandpa's laugh. Heh
>>>>>> heh
>>>>>> heh!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I LIKE the Neelys, they really transmit fun and happiness.
>>>>>
>>>>> That makes watching a show easier.
>>>>
>>>> They are another Southern cooking show I don't like... not as annoying
>>>> as Paula Deen, but their "gimme some sugar" and fake laugher schtick
>>>> puts me into channel changing mode.
>>>>
>>> I think that's just sort of generic African American southern style
>>> banter, ftmp.
>>>
>>> But when you see them interviewed or on other shows they're super nice
>>> folks.
>>
>> Hmmm... Interesting. My grandpa wasn't black but... He was in
>> Vaudeville
>> and he did do black face. So perhaps that is where he picked that up?
>> He
>> was very much what he would refer to others as being, a "dude"! Meaning
>> that every morning, he got up, got fully groomed and dressed to the
>> nines!
>> Suspenders, sock suspenders, three piece suit, color depending on the
>> season, dress shoes, hat.
>
> Wow, what a character!
>
>> My mom said she was horrified when he and my grandma who also dressed up
>> all
>> the time (wore gold metallic Daniel Greens to the beach) stepped off of
>> the
>> plane at the airport. She said some woman shrieked, "Look at that guy!
>> He
>> must BE someone!" My mom replied, "No. That's just my FIL".
>
> Lol.
>
>> By the time I knew him, he was only a Keebler rep. But he always did
>> carry
>> himself like he was royalty. And he and my grandma also had the tendency
>> to
>> treat other people as though they were royalty. This did seem to work
>> for
>> my grandpa, perhaps because he was a man. But more often than not it
>> backfired for my grandma and she was rather regarded as a witch with a b.
>
> Funny how men tend to get more latitude when it comes to acting quirky,
> isn't it?

Yes. They do seem to get away with a lot of stuff that women don't. There
are an awful lot of names and terms that can be applied to women and most of
them not good!

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:40:28 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> My mom said she was horrified when he and my grandma who also dressed up
>> all
>> the time (wore gold metallic Daniel Greens to the beach) stepped off of
>> the
>> plane at the airport. She said some woman shrieked, "Look at that guy!
>> He
>> must BE someone!" My mom replied, "No. That's just my FIL".
>>
>> By the time I knew him, he was only a Keebler rep. But he always did
>> carry
>> himself like he was royalty. And he and my grandma also had the tendency
>> to
>> treat other people as though they were royalty. This did seem to work
>> for
>> my grandpa, perhaps because he was a man. But more often than not it
>> backfired for my grandma and she was rather regarded as a witch with a b.
>
> People were more formal back in the day. I have a friend whom I've
> know since college and we used to go on picnics with his family. His
> father was the only person I've ever known to wear a 3 piece suit to a
> picnic (even on a hot day).

My grandpa would never go on a picnic because it involved eating outside
which he felt was wrong to do. He also would not eat leftovers. Well, not
so as he knew them to be! I'm sure he must have eaten some and didn't know
it. But he insisted on fresh food cooked daily. But he did have odd food
quirks. When visiting here, we took him to Arby's and he acted like it was
the best food ever! Called it the place with the hat. Because there was a
hat on their sign. We also found a barrel of pickles in some old timey
store. He bought and ate the pickle, standing there in the store. Every
time I would call, he would remind me of the place with the hat and the
pickle. But he wouldn't eat outside.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 18/06/2013 7:18 PM, sf wrote:
>
>> People were more formal back in the day. I have a friend whom I've
>> know since college and we used to go on picnics with his family. His
>> father was the only person I've ever known to wear a 3 piece suit to a
>> picnic (even on a hot day).
>>
>
>
> Three piece? That is formal. My FiL wore two piece suits. That is what he
> wore all the time. I did occasionally see him with just the pants with a
> shirt and tie, no jacket.

Shortly before he died, my grandma wrote to me and said that they had bought
fancy walking suits. I never did find out for sure what those were but my
mom said she thought they were track or running suits. This would have been
back in the early 90's or late 80's. I just couldn't imagine either one of
them in those. In fact I don't think I ever even saw her in pants!

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:41:15 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 18 Jun 2013 14:40:00 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2013-06-17, Dave Smith > wrote:
>> >> > On 17/06/2013 3:34 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Bobby Flay cooks some interesting stuff, but his manner turns me
>> >> > off.
>> >>
>> >> Agree. Too arrogant.
>> >>
>> > I used to think that too, but eventually reached the conclusion that
>> > he was uncomfortable in front of the camera. He has relaxed on camera
>> > over the years and what I hear now is stuffed up sinuses.
>>
>> Oh! Is that what it is. There is something with his voice that grates
>> on
>> me.
>>
> I don't like it either, but it's kind of like watching Jamie Oliver...
> I like his cooking, so I my teeth through the rest.

I like Jamie Oliver's cooking but don't remember his voice. Really only saw
him a few times though. But most of what Flay cooks doesn't appeal to me.

"casa bona" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/18/2013 5:16 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:27:20 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/18/2013 10:12 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:02:39 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They are another Southern cooking show I don't like... not as annoying
>>>> as Paula Deen, but their "gimme some sugar" and fake laugher schtick
>>>> puts me into channel changing mode.
>>>>
>>> I think that's just sort of generic African American southern style
>>> banter, ftmp.
>>
>> I think it's as fake as Paula Deen, but YMMV.
>
> I'm not saying they haven't played it up for TV...
>
>>>
>>> But when you see them interviewed or on other shows they're super nice
>>> folks.
>>
>> By other shows, you mean....? Can't say I've seen them interviewed
>> anywhere.
>
> I can't remember the programs, but I've seen them on AM TV as well as
> other Food and Cooking Channel cameos.
>
>> I don't watch FN unless it's a cooking demonstration type
>> show. I am totally disinterested in cooking competitions and shows
>> like DDD or The Best Thing I Ever Ate. Can't even say I've seen one
>> of those chef biographies people mention. If there's no written
>> recipe, I don't watch it.
>>
>
> I hate the cooking competition shows like "Chopped" and so on. They're
> just dumb. Also color me not an "Iron Chef" fan.

I like Chopped, perhaps because I usually like the judges and I like Ted
Allen. But I don't really like Iron Chef, even more so now that I know that
they were aware of the secret ingredient ahead of time. I found it
interesting way back when it was the Japanese version. And I do have a
thing for Morimoto. Not sure why. It's not his cooking so much. The man
is just appealing to me! *blush*

Ming Tsai has had some episodes that aired recently (not sure if they were
reruns or not) where he had a guest chef on there and they had to come up
with something on the fly. They each had the same ingredients at their
disposal although there was no rule as to how many or few they had to use.
It was just interesting to see what they came up with.

"John J" > wrote in message
...
> On 18 Jun 2013 14:40:00 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>On 2013-06-17, Dave Smith > wrote:
>>> On 17/06/2013 3:34 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>>
>>> Bobby Flay cooks some interesting stuff, but his manner turns me off.
>>
>>Agree. Too arrogant.
>>
>>Rich Bayless and Chris Kimbull. Too many reasons to list.
>
> I always thought Christopher Kimball was kind of a pleasant nerdy
> type. Or does he torture kittens in the dark?

I find him very pleasant! But... I also think if I had to deal with him on
a daily basis, he would drive me right up the wall. I can just see him
hanging around in my kitchen all the time waiting to taste what I am
cooking.

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2013-06-19, casa bona > wrote:
>
>> Read his column, he's a thoughtful and decent man.
>
> He's a fraud. Almost zero background in culinary anything, he's a
> publisher first and formost. He picked cooking as the focus of his
> publishing empire cuz it has the biggest audience. Yes, he has taken
> some cooking courses, but has never worked as a chef, cook, prep
> flunky, burger flipper, waiter, bus boy, or even dishwasher. They
> don't call him Pompous Bowtie Man for nothing.

My impression of him was that he was not a food expert but a regular type
guy who was just there to try the various foods and cooking items. Although
he does come off as an expert for some things like when he has the diagram
of the cow and is pointing out the various parts but... I also get the
impression that he is reading from a script or did some reasearch on it or
something like that. Either way, doesn't bother me.
>
> Bayless is an arrogant jerk in it for the $$$. Despite a deep
> knowledge of Mex cuisine, he sees his customers and audience as
> ignorant fools and talks down to them in an affected voice like they
> all jes stepped off the short bus. Beware of buyng his instructional
> materials cuz you may get burned. I was.

That's kind of what I thought. I did buy his cookbook and I do like that.

On 19 Jun 2013 03:24:56 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2013-06-19, casa bona > wrote:
>
>> Read his column, he's a thoughtful and decent man.
>
>He's a fraud. Almost zero background in culinary anything, he's a
>publisher first and formost. He picked cooking as the focus of his
>publishing empire cuz it has the biggest audience. Yes, he has taken
>some cooking courses, but has never worked as a chef, cook, prep
>flunky, burger flipper, waiter, bus boy, or even dishwasher. They
>don't call him Pompous Bowtie Man for nothing.

>nb

Pompous. Yes, that's the word I was looking for. Probably have his
picture in the dictionary.

On 2013-06-19, casa bona > wrote:

> You seem very cynical.

I prefer curmudgeonly, occasionally drifting into bitter.

nb

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 19 Jun 2013 03:24:56 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>On 2013-06-19, casa bona > wrote:
>>
>>> Read his column, he's a thoughtful and decent man.
>>
>>He's a fraud. Almost zero background in culinary anything, he's a
>>publisher first and formost. He picked cooking as the focus of his
>>publishing empire cuz it has the biggest audience. Yes, he has taken
>>some cooking courses, but has never worked as a chef, cook, prep
>>flunky, burger flipper, waiter, bus boy, or even dishwasher. They
>>don't call him Pompous Bowtie Man for nothing.
>
>>nb
>
> Pompous. Yes, that's the word I was looking for. Probably have his
> picture in the dictionary.

Doesn't Pompous apply to most TV cooking personalities, and even most TV
personalities in general?

On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:58:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:41:15 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On 18 Jun 2013 14:40:00 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 2013-06-17, Dave Smith > wrote:
> >> >> > On 17/06/2013 3:34 PM, Kalmia wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Bobby Flay cooks some interesting stuff, but his manner turns me
> >> >> > off.
> >> >>
> >> >> Agree. Too arrogant.
> >> >>
> >> > I used to think that too, but eventually reached the conclusion that
> >> > he was uncomfortable in front of the camera. He has relaxed on camera
> >> > over the years and what I hear now is stuffed up sinuses.
> >>
> >> Oh! Is that what it is. There is something with his voice that grates
> >> on
> >> me.
> >>
> > I don't like it either, but it's kind of like watching Jamie Oliver...
> > I like his cooking, so I my teeth through the rest.
>
> I like Jamie Oliver's cooking but don't remember his voice. Really only saw
> him a few times though. But most of what Flay cooks doesn't appeal to me.
>

That's why TV demonstration cooks don't focus on the same thing.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:33:13 +1000, John J > wrote:

> On 18 Jun 2013 14:40:00 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
> >On 2013-06-17, Dave Smith > wrote:
> >> On 17/06/2013 3:34 PM, Kalmia wrote:
> >
> >> Bobby Flay cooks some interesting stuff, but his manner turns me off.
> >
> >Agree. Too arrogant.
> >
> >Rich Bayless and Chris Kimbull. Too many reasons to list.
>
> I always thought Christopher Kimball was kind of a pleasant nerdy
> type. Or does he torture kittens in the dark?

He doesn't bother me either. It's obvious to me that he plays the
show's dummy asking questions they think some of the viewers with less
cooking experience may have. I've seen it on other shows too.
Jacques Pepin's daughter played that role when she appeared on his
show.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 19 Jun 2013 03:24:56 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2013-06-19, casa bona > wrote:
>
> > Read his column, he's a thoughtful and decent man.
>
> He's a fraud.

And we're SO impressed with your business acumen and vast knowledge of
the culinary arts.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:27:35 +1000, John J > wrote:

> On 19 Jun 2013 03:24:56 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
> >On 2013-06-19, casa bona > wrote:
> >
> >> Read his column, he's a thoughtful and decent man.
> >
> >He's a fraud. Almost zero background in culinary anything, he's a
> >publisher first and formost. He picked cooking as the focus of his
> >publishing empire cuz it has the biggest audience. Yes, he has taken
> >some cooking courses, but has never worked as a chef, cook, prep
> >flunky, burger flipper, waiter, bus boy, or even dishwasher. They
> >don't call him Pompous Bowtie Man for nothing.
>
> I never see him cooking, always tasting, so that makes sense.

The only people who call him "pompous" are those who have tiny little
egos they need to pump up by mocking others who are vastly more
successful than they are.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:22:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 18/06/2013 7:18 PM, sf wrote:
>
> > People were more formal back in the day. I have a friend whom I've
> > know since college and we used to go on picnics with his family. His
> > father was the only person I've ever known to wear a 3 piece suit to a
> > picnic (even on a hot day).
> >
>
>
> Three piece? That is formal. My FiL wore two piece suits. That is what
> he wore all the time. I did occasionally see him with just the pants
> with a shirt and tie, no jacket.

Honest to god, three pieces... and of course a perfectly knotted tie
went with it. His shoes were always shined too. He may have even
worn a hat to picnics at times, I'm fuzzy on that detail. All of us
would be sitting on beach towels sunbathing in our shorts and he'd be
sitting on a chair in the shade underneath a tree. Neither one of
them spoke English very well, but they were just as pleasant as can
be.... oh, boy could Mama cook! Fortunately for everyone, their
daughter (my friend's sister) has her mother's cooking skills because
Mama and Papa passed on years ago.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:57:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 18/06/2013 7:18 PM, sf wrote:
> >
> >> People were more formal back in the day. I have a friend whom I've
> >> know since college and we used to go on picnics with his family. His
> >> father was the only person I've ever known to wear a 3 piece suit to a
> >> picnic (even on a hot day).
> >>
> >
> >
> > Three piece? That is formal. My FiL wore two piece suits. That is what he
> > wore all the time. I did occasionally see him with just the pants with a
> > shirt and tie, no jacket.
>
> Shortly before he died, my grandma wrote to me and said that they had bought
> fancy walking suits. I never did find out for sure what those were but my
> mom said she thought they were track or running suits. This would have been
> back in the early 90's or late 80's. I just couldn't imagine either one of
> them in those. In fact I don't think I ever even saw her in pants!
>
I remember when jogging suits first came out and all the "old people"
seemed to take to them like ducks to water. No idea why, I just know
that people like my neighbor who wore business suits and high heels to
work suddenly was wearing jogging suits on the weekend and then I
noticed that all the old people I saw at the grocery store were
wearing them too.


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:54:33 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > People were more formal back in the day. I have a friend whom I've
> > know since college and we used to go on picnics with his family. His
> > father was the only person I've ever known to wear a 3 piece suit to a
> > picnic (even on a hot day).
>
> My grandpa would never go on a picnic because it involved eating outside
> which he felt was wrong to do.
>

No idea where he got that from. My grandfather was Canadian, but had
British mannerisms and I fondly remember eating summer lunches outside
underneath a shade tree when visiting my grandparents. He'd bring out
a card table and chairs and put a tablecloth on the table. We would
eat off regular china plates, using regular silverware if necessary (I
mainly remember finger food - sandwiches and crudités), used glasses
(not paper cups) for our milk and drank hot tea after lunch from china
cups. I wish the weather and my house configuration was conducive to
eating outside more often because I loved doing that.

> He also would not eat leftovers.

Lots of people are that way. I'm not a big leftover person, mainly
because I like to cook. Both my son and my son-in-law eat fewer
leftovers than I do. Son is a great cook and can whip up something
great from seemingly nothing. Not sure about SIL - he doesn't appear
to like cooking as much as son & I do, but DD told me to take a bunch
of leftovers home from a bbq just last weekend saying he wouldn't eat
them. Of course, I didn't say no because it was good food and it was
my gain because it meant that hubby had lots of leftovers in the
refrigerator for his 15-30 carb snacks.

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On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:45:02 -0600, casa bona > wrote:

> I can't remember the programs, but I've seen them on AM TV as well as
> other Food and Cooking Channel cameos.

Ah, okay. I've been watching less and less TV. If it's on, it's one
of those all news all the time type stations and I'm getting tired of
that too because the shows repeat too many times.
>
> > I don't watch FN unless it's a cooking demonstration type
> > show. I am totally disinterested in cooking competitions and shows
> > like DDD or The Best Thing I Ever Ate. Can't even say I've seen one
> > of those chef biographies people mention. If there's no written
> > recipe, I don't watch it.
> >
>
> I hate the cooking competition shows like "Chopped" and so on. They're
> just dumb. Also color me not an "Iron Chef" fan.

High five!

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On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:02:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I like Chopped, perhaps because I usually like the judges and I like Ted
> Allen. But I don't really like Iron Chef, even more so now that I know that
> they were aware of the secret ingredient ahead of time.

That's the way it is with all those "secret" ingredient shows. They
need to plan, it's hard enough as it is just executing the plan in
such a short amount of time.

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On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 16:29:23 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > See to me, I don't think it is fake laughter. That is exactly how my
> > grandpa was. Constantly amusing himself and constantly laughing at what
> > he said.
>
>
> I had an uncle that did that. I miss it now that he's gone.
>
It's not that they laugh, laughter is okay. It's their fake laugh and
mannerisms that drive me right up the wall.

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On 6/18/2013 10:50 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "casa bona" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/18/2013 4:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "casa bona" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 6/18/2013 10:12 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:02:39 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/17/2013 9:37 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>> "casa bona" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> Mind you I'm not disagreeing, but I know jealous types who despise
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> both, no lie.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is something in many of us that can not tolerate success in
>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They annoy me. I'm not jealous. Just do not appeal to me. I'll
>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Neely's any day. I know that people can't stand them but they remind
>>>>>>> me of
>>>>>>> my grandparents. His laugh was just like my grandpa's laugh. Heh
>>>>>>> heh
>>>>>>> heh!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I LIKE the Neelys, they really transmit fun and happiness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That makes watching a show easier.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are another Southern cooking show I don't like... not as annoying
>>>>> as Paula Deen, but their "gimme some sugar" and fake laugher schtick
>>>>> puts me into channel changing mode.
>>>>>
>>>> I think that's just sort of generic African American southern style
>>>> banter, ftmp.
>>>>
>>>> But when you see them interviewed or on other shows they're super nice
>>>> folks.
>>>
>>> Hmmm... Interesting. My grandpa wasn't black but... He was in
>>> Vaudeville
>>> and he did do black face. So perhaps that is where he picked that up?
>>> He
>>> was very much what he would refer to others as being, a "dude"! Meaning
>>> that every morning, he got up, got fully groomed and dressed to the
>>> nines!
>>> Suspenders, sock suspenders, three piece suit, color depending on the
>>> season, dress shoes, hat.
>>
>> Wow, what a character!
>>
>>> My mom said she was horrified when he and my grandma who also dressed up
>>> all
>>> the time (wore gold metallic Daniel Greens to the beach) stepped off of
>>> the
>>> plane at the airport. She said some woman shrieked, "Look at that guy!
>>> He
>>> must BE someone!" My mom replied, "No. That's just my FIL".
>>
>> Lol.
>>
>>> By the time I knew him, he was only a Keebler rep. But he always did
>>> carry
>>> himself like he was royalty. And he and my grandma also had the tendency
>>> to
>>> treat other people as though they were royalty. This did seem to work
>>> for
>>> my grandpa, perhaps because he was a man. But more often than not it
>>> backfired for my grandma and she was rather regarded as a witch with a b.
>>
>> Funny how men tend to get more latitude when it comes to acting quirky,
>> isn't it?
>
> Yes. They do seem to get away with a lot of stuff that women don't. There
> are an awful lot of names and terms that can be applied to women and most of
> them not good!
>
>
Agreed.

On 6/18/2013 11:02 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "casa bona" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/18/2013 5:16 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:27:20 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/18/2013 10:12 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:02:39 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They are another Southern cooking show I don't like... not as annoying
>>>>> as Paula Deen, but their "gimme some sugar" and fake laugher schtick
>>>>> puts me into channel changing mode.
>>>>>
>>>> I think that's just sort of generic African American southern style
>>>> banter, ftmp.
>>>
>>> I think it's as fake as Paula Deen, but YMMV.
>>
>> I'm not saying they haven't played it up for TV...
>>
>>>>
>>>> But when you see them interviewed or on other shows they're super nice
>>>> folks.
>>>
>>> By other shows, you mean....? Can't say I've seen them interviewed
>>> anywhere.
>>
>> I can't remember the programs, but I've seen them on AM TV as well as
>> other Food and Cooking Channel cameos.
>>
>>> I don't watch FN unless it's a cooking demonstration type
>>> show. I am totally disinterested in cooking competitions and shows
>>> like DDD or The Best Thing I Ever Ate. Can't even say I've seen one
>>> of those chef biographies people mention. If there's no written
>>> recipe, I don't watch it.
>>>
>>
>> I hate the cooking competition shows like "Chopped" and so on. They're
>> just dumb. Also color me not an "Iron Chef" fan.
>
> I like Chopped, perhaps because I usually like the judges and I like Ted
> Allen. But I don't really like Iron Chef, even more so now that I know that
> they were aware of the secret ingredient ahead of time. I found it
> interesting way back when it was the Japanese version. And I do have a
> thing for Morimoto. Not sure why. It's not his cooking so much. The man
> is just appealing to me! *blush*
>
> Ming Tsai has had some episodes that aired recently (not sure if they were
> reruns or not) where he had a guest chef on there and they had to come up
> with something on the fly. They each had the same ingredients at their
> disposal although there was no rule as to how many or few they had to use.
> It was just interesting to see what they came up with.
>
>
The most recent shows aired were from the Azores Islands, and yes he and
the local chefs came up with some creative fare.

On 6/19/2013 4:09 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 19 Jun 2013 03:24:56 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>> On 2013-06-19, casa bona > wrote:
>>
>>> Read his column, he's a thoughtful and decent man.
>>
>> He's a fraud. Almost zero background in culinary anything, he's a
>> publisher first and formost. He picked cooking as the focus of his
>> publishing empire cuz it has the biggest audience. Yes, he has taken
>> some cooking courses, but has never worked as a chef, cook, prep
>> flunky, burger flipper, waiter, bus boy, or even dishwasher. They
>> don't call him Pompous Bowtie Man for nothing.
>
>> nb
>
> Pompous. Yes, that's the word I was looking for. Probably have his
> picture in the dictionary.
>
Admit it, it's the bow tie that sets you off.

On 6/19/2013 9:29 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:33:13 +1000, John J > wrote:
>
>> On 18 Jun 2013 14:40:00 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2013-06-17, Dave Smith > wrote:
>>>> On 17/06/2013 3:34 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bobby Flay cooks some interesting stuff, but his manner turns me off.
>>>
>>> Agree. Too arrogant.
>>>
>>> Rich Bayless and Chris Kimbull. Too many reasons to list.
>>
>> I always thought Christopher Kimball was kind of a pleasant nerdy
>> type. Or does he torture kittens in the dark?
>
> He doesn't bother me either. It's obvious to me that he plays the
> show's dummy asking questions they think some of the viewers with less
> cooking experience may have. I've seen it on other shows too.
> Jacques Pepin's daughter played that role when she appeared on his
> show.
>
She did indeed, good point.

On 6/19/2013 9:33 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:27:35 +1000, John J > wrote:
>
>> On 19 Jun 2013 03:24:56 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2013-06-19, casa bona > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Read his column, he's a thoughtful and decent man.
>>>
>>> He's a fraud. Almost zero background in culinary anything, he's a
>>> publisher first and formost. He picked cooking as the focus of his
>>> publishing empire cuz it has the biggest audience. Yes, he has taken
>>> some cooking courses, but has never worked as a chef, cook, prep
>>> flunky, burger flipper, waiter, bus boy, or even dishwasher. They
>>> don't call him Pompous Bowtie Man for nothing.
>>
>> I never see him cooking, always tasting, so that makes sense.
>
> The only people who call him "pompous" are those who have tiny little
> egos they need to pump up by mocking others who are vastly more
> successful than they are.
>
Clearly so.

On 6/19/2013 10:08 AM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:45:02 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>
>> I can't remember the programs, but I've seen them on AM TV as well as
>> other Food and Cooking Channel cameos.
>
> Ah, okay. I've been watching less and less TV. If it's on, it's one
> of those all news all the time type stations and I'm getting tired of
> that too because the shows repeat too many times.
>>
>>> I don't watch FN unless it's a cooking demonstration type
>>> show. I am totally disinterested in cooking competitions and shows
>>> like DDD or The Best Thing I Ever Ate. Can't even say I've seen one
>>> of those chef biographies people mention. If there's no written
>>> recipe, I don't watch it.
>>>
>>
>> I hate the cooking competition shows like "Chopped" and so on. They're
>> just dumb. Also color me not an "Iron Chef" fan.
>
> High five!
>
Right on.

That said, they seem to have an audience and appear not to be going away.

I have similar antipathy for "Survivor" and the talent competition shows.

On 2013-06-19, casa bona > wrote:

> Agreed.

So, yer gonna be onother one of those no-edit morons that posts 82
lines of quoted text for a one word response? May jes as well KF
yer sorry ass, now. Toodles.....

nb

On 6/19/2013 11:42 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-06-19, casa bona > wrote:
>
>> Agreed.
>
> So, yer gonna be onother one of those no-edit morons that posts 82
> lines of quoted text for a one word response? May jes as well KF
> yer sorry ass, now. Toodles.....
>
> nb
>

Don't be petulant, even if it is in your nature.

On 19/06/2013 12:06 PM, sf wrote:

> No idea where he got that from. My grandfather was Canadian, but had
> British mannerisms and I fondly remember eating summer lunches outside
> underneath a shade tree when visiting my grandparents. He'd bring out
> a card table and chairs and put a tablecloth on the table. We would
> eat off regular china plates, using regular silverware if necessary (I
> mainly remember finger food - sandwiches and crudités), used glasses
> (not paper cups) for our milk and drank hot tea after lunch from china
> cups. I wish the weather and my house configuration was conducive to
> eating outside more often because I loved doing that.

The weather usually cooperates with us in the summer and we eat outside
almost every night from May through to September, whether it was cooked
on the BBQ or not. There are no disposable utensils used.
>
>> He also would not eat leftovers.
>
> Lots of people are that way. I'm not a big leftover person, mainly
> because I like to cook. Both my son and my son-in-law eat fewer
> leftovers than I do. Son is a great cook and can whip up something
> great from seemingly nothing.

We don't often eat leftovers here either, other than roast chicken or
beef. I love cold leftover chicken and we roast one every week or two,
hot one night and usually cold the next day. I don't usually bother
making dishes that are bound to be leftovers. I like lasagna once in a
while, but I don't want to be eating it for three or four nights.

>