Steve Freides wrote:
> Cheri wrote:
>> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> elementsresto wrote:
>>>> W;1832452 Wrote:
>>>>> I would like to make my own sugar free chocolate from cocoa
>>>>> powder. I don't
>>>>> want any milk due to lactose intolerance. I don't want any flour,
>>>>> and I
>>>>> definitely don't want any sugar. I will use Stevia and
>>>>> Erythritol (a sugar
>>>>> alcohol that metabolizes in a way that is almost zero calories) as
>>>>> the sweeteners. Are there any good recipes out there for this?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have found some decent chocolates online that match the above
>>>>> general list
>>>>> of ingredients, but they are extremely expensive. I'm looking to
>>>>> lower
>>>>> cost and also learn about chocolate making.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> W
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Got a good idea here. I'm also cutting off my sugar intake since my
>>>> blood sugar level is getting high and it's alarming.
>>>
>>> At the risk of opening Pandora's box, I must ask if you're shooting
>>> the messenger here - are you overweight? If you're not overweight,
>>> plain, old sugar, candy, etc., every now and then won't hurt you. It
>>> might not be good for you, but in moderation, it needn't be
>>> avoided completely by most healthy people - and if you're
>>> overweight, you're not healthy by definition.
>>>
>>> Sorry but I had to ask.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>
>> If his numbers are high he should be cutting down on carbs no matter
>> how much he weighs.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> If his numbers are high and he's overweight, he should
>
> Lose weight to solve the long-term problem, and
>
> Cut down on foods that raise his blood sugar to treat the short-term
> symptoms.
>
> -S-

Losing weight doesn't lower blood sugar.

"barbie gee" > wrote in message
crg.pbz...
>
>
> On Mon, 6 May 2013, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> elementsresto wrote:
>>>>>> W;1832452 Wrote:
>>>>>>> I would like to make my own sugar free chocolate from cocoa
>>>>>>> powder. I don't
>>>>>>> want any milk due to lactose intolerance. I don't want any flour,
>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>> definitely don't want any sugar. I will use Stevia and
>>>>>>> Erythritol (a sugar
>>>>>>> alcohol that metabolizes in a way that is almost zero calories) as
>>>>>>> the sweeteners. Are there any good recipes out there for this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have found some decent chocolates online that match the above
>>>>>>> general list
>>>>>>> of ingredients, but they are extremely expensive. I'm looking to
>>>>>>> lower
>>>>>>> cost and also learn about chocolate making.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> W
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Got a good idea here. I'm also cutting off my sugar intake since my
>>>>>> blood sugar level is getting high and it's alarming.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the risk of opening Pandora's box, I must ask if you're shooting
>>>>> the messenger here - are you overweight? If you're not overweight,
>>>>> plain, old sugar, candy, etc., every now and then won't hurt you. It
>>>>> might not be good for you, but in moderation, it needn't be
>>>>> avoided completely by most healthy people - and if you're
>>>>> overweight, you're not healthy by definition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry but I had to ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> -S-
>>>>
>>>> If his numbers are high he should be cutting down on carbs no matter
>>>> how much he weighs.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> If his numbers are high and he's overweight, he should
>>>
>>> Lose weight to solve the long-term problem, and
>>>
>>> Cut down on foods that raise his blood sugar to treat the short-term
>>> symptoms.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>
>> Losing weight doesn't lower blood sugar.
>
> Not always, but it can.
> There are people who have reversed their diabetes by getting down to a
> more normal weight.
>


No, they didn't reverse it, they got it under control.

Cheri

On Mon, 6 May 2013 21:22:47 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> No, they didn't reverse it, they got it under control.

What is the true meaning of "under control"? BG down to normal?

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"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Mon, 6 May 2013 21:22:47 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>> No, they didn't reverse it, they got it under control.
>
> What is the true meaning of "under control"? BG down to normal?

Yes. My SIL had prediabetes. I won't say what she weighed but... She lost
over half of her body weight. She had normal numbers all day except for
after breakfast. She had a hard time finding a breakfast she could eat that
would work for her. But she finally did.

She lost the weight and her numbers were then always normal. But... She
also had not gone into full blown diabetes. She still has to watch what she
eats. She has gained some weight back. But just some.

I do not believe for an instant that anyone can reverse diabetes despite the
frequent claims. I say that because those people always have to watch what
they eat. If they don't, they could see high numbers again.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...

> I do not believe for an instant that anyone can reverse diabetes despite
> the frequent claims. I say that because those people always have to watch
> what they eat. If they don't, they could see high numbers again.

That's what I'm talking about. Under control is different than reversing.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I do not believe for an instant that anyone can reverse diabetes despite
>> the frequent claims. I say that because those people always have to
>> watch what they eat. If they don't, they could see high numbers again.
>
> That's what I'm talking about. Under control is different than reversing.

Yep.

On Mon, 6 May 2013 21:51:54 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> news
> > On Mon, 6 May 2013 21:22:47 -0700, "Cheri" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> No, they didn't reverse it, they got it under control.
> >
> > What is the true meaning of "under control"? BG down to normal?
>
> Yes. My SIL had prediabetes. I won't say what she weighed but... She lost
> over half of her body weight. She had normal numbers all day except for
> after breakfast. She had a hard time finding a breakfast she could eat that
> would work for her. But she finally did.
>
> She lost the weight and her numbers were then always normal. But... She
> also had not gone into full blown diabetes. She still has to watch what she
> eats. She has gained some weight back. But just some.
>
> I do not believe for an instant that anyone can reverse diabetes despite the
> frequent claims. I say that because those people always have to watch what
> they eat. If they don't, they could see high numbers again.
>
Thanks. Much appreciated.

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"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Mon, 6 May 2013 21:22:47 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>> No, they didn't reverse it, they got it under control.
>
> What is the true meaning of "under control"? BG down to normal?

It really varies from person to person, to me it's decent numbers, no
complications, and no meds. I have been on meds in the early years, and
insulin for a short time, but not now. However, if I sat down for a day or
so and ate a lot of carbs, my numbers would shoot high, so under control is
not reversing diabetes.

Cheri

On Mon, 6 May 2013 22:33:22 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> "sf" > wrote in message
> news
> > On Mon, 6 May 2013 21:22:47 -0700, "Cheri" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> No, they didn't reverse it, they got it under control.
> >
> > What is the true meaning of "under control"? BG down to normal?
>
> It really varies from person to person, to me it's decent numbers, no
> complications, and no meds. I have been on meds in the early years, and
> insulin for a short time, but not now. However, if I sat down for a day or
> so and ate a lot of carbs, my numbers would shoot high, so under control is
> not reversing diabetes.
>
Okay, I understand now.


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"barbie gee" > wrote in message
crg.pbz...
>
>
> On Mon, 6 May 2013, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> elementsresto wrote:
>>>>>> W;1832452 Wrote:
>>>>>>> I would like to make my own sugar free chocolate from cocoa
>>>>>>> powder. I don't
>>>>>>> want any milk due to lactose intolerance. I don't want any flour,
>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>> definitely don't want any sugar. I will use Stevia and
>>>>>>> Erythritol (a sugar
>>>>>>> alcohol that metabolizes in a way that is almost zero calories) as
>>>>>>> the sweeteners. Are there any good recipes out there for this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have found some decent chocolates online that match the above
>>>>>>> general list
>>>>>>> of ingredients, but they are extremely expensive. I'm looking to
>>>>>>> lower
>>>>>>> cost and also learn about chocolate making.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> W
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Got a good idea here. I'm also cutting off my sugar intake since my
>>>>>> blood sugar level is getting high and it's alarming.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the risk of opening Pandora's box, I must ask if you're shooting
>>>>> the messenger here - are you overweight? If you're not overweight,
>>>>> plain, old sugar, candy, etc., every now and then won't hurt you. It
>>>>> might not be good for you, but in moderation, it needn't be
>>>>> avoided completely by most healthy people - and if you're
>>>>> overweight, you're not healthy by definition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry but I had to ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> -S-
>>>>
>>>> If his numbers are high he should be cutting down on carbs no matter
>>>> how much he weighs.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> If his numbers are high and he's overweight, he should
>>>
>>> Lose weight to solve the long-term problem, and
>>>
>>> Cut down on foods that raise his blood sugar to treat the short-term
>>> symptoms.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>
>> Losing weight doesn't lower blood sugar.
>
> Not always, but it can.
> There are people who have reversed their diabetes by getting down to a
> more normal weight.

But most of those are extremely obese to begin with and they are by far not
the norm. There are plenty of diabetics on the diabetes newsgroup who are
thin to normal weight and they still have diabetes.

On Mon, 6 May 2013 21:48:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> There are plenty of diabetics on the diabetes newsgroup who are
> thin to normal weight and they still have diabetes.
>

That's my husband. Not insulin dependent yet and not taking pills but
the BG is up there.


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 6 May 2013 21:48:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> There are plenty of diabetics on the diabetes newsgroup who are
>> thin to normal weight and they still have diabetes.
>>
>
> That's my husband. Not insulin dependent yet and not taking pills but
> the BG is up there.

How high is "up there"? If it is too high then he needs to change his diet
and/or take pills or maybe insulin.

On Tue, 7 May 2013 00:04:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 6 May 2013 21:48:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> There are plenty of diabetics on the diabetes newsgroup who are
> >> thin to normal weight and they still have diabetes.
> >>
> >
> > That's my husband. Not insulin dependent yet and not taking pills but
> > the BG is up there.
>
> How high is "up there"? If it is too high then he needs to change his diet
> and/or take pills or maybe insulin.
>
He's going lower carb, but it makes cooking hard because he's also
limiting fats. He should take pills or something, but he won't and
it's not a subject that's up for discussion.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 7 May 2013 00:04:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Mon, 6 May 2013 21:48:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> There are plenty of diabetics on the diabetes newsgroup who are
>> >> thin to normal weight and they still have diabetes.
>> >>
>> >
>> > That's my husband. Not insulin dependent yet and not taking pills but
>> > the BG is up there.
>>
>> How high is "up there"? If it is too high then he needs to change his
>> diet
>> and/or take pills or maybe insulin.
>>
> He's going lower carb, but it makes cooking hard because he's also
> limiting fats. He should take pills or something, but he won't and
> it's not a subject that's up for discussion.

No need to limit fats and...good luck with that! Have something like that
in my own family.

On Tue, 7 May 2013 10:03:09 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 7 May 2013 00:04:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Mon, 6 May 2013 21:48:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> There are plenty of diabetics on the diabetes newsgroup who are
> >> >> thin to normal weight and they still have diabetes.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > That's my husband. Not insulin dependent yet and not taking pills but
> >> > the BG is up there.
> >>
> >> How high is "up there"? If it is too high then he needs to change his
> >> diet
> >> and/or take pills or maybe insulin.
> >>
> > He's going lower carb, but it makes cooking hard because he's also
> > limiting fats. He should take pills or something, but he won't and
> > it's not a subject that's up for discussion.
>
> No need to limit fats and...good luck with that! Have something like that
> in my own family.
>
You know how diabetes leads to heart disease? He has stents and the
Dr. told him to limit fats. He has never seen a nutritionist (which
is a free service for us), but I'd like to talk to one because I'm the
one who cooks. As it is, I take what I glean from here about slower
releasing carbs (like brown rice and beans) and use them in my
cooking. If I had to make the same staid thing over and over, he
might as well do the cooking because I get bored if I can't try
something new.

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