elementsresto wrote:
> W;1832452 Wrote:
>> I would like to make my own sugar free chocolate from cocoa powder.
>> I don't
>> want any milk due to lactose intolerance. I don't want any flour,
>> and I
>> definitely don't want any sugar. I will use Stevia and Erythritol
>> (a sugar
>> alcohol that metabolizes in a way that is almost zero calories) as
>> the sweeteners. Are there any good recipes out there for this?
>>
>> I have found some decent chocolates online that match the above
>> general list
>> of ingredients, but they are extremely expensive. I'm looking to
>> lower
>> cost and also learn about chocolate making.
>>
>> --
>> W
>
>
> Got a good idea here. I'm also cutting off my sugar intake since my
> blood sugar level is getting high and it's alarming.

At the risk of opening Pandora's box, I must ask if you're shooting the
messenger here - are you overweight? If you're not overweight, plain,
old sugar, candy, etc., every now and then won't hurt you. It might not
be good for you, but in moderation, it needn't be avoided completely by
most healthy people - and if you're overweight, you're not healthy by
definition.

Sorry but I had to ask.

-S-

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...
> elementsresto wrote:
>> W;1832452 Wrote:
>>> I would like to make my own sugar free chocolate from cocoa powder.
>>> I don't
>>> want any milk due to lactose intolerance. I don't want any flour,
>>> and I
>>> definitely don't want any sugar. I will use Stevia and Erythritol
>>> (a sugar
>>> alcohol that metabolizes in a way that is almost zero calories) as
>>> the sweeteners. Are there any good recipes out there for this?
>>>
>>> I have found some decent chocolates online that match the above
>>> general list
>>> of ingredients, but they are extremely expensive. I'm looking to
>>> lower
>>> cost and also learn about chocolate making.
>>>
>>> --
>>> W
>>
>>
>> Got a good idea here. I'm also cutting off my sugar intake since my
>> blood sugar level is getting high and it's alarming.
>
> At the risk of opening Pandora's box, I must ask if you're shooting the
> messenger here - are you overweight? If you're not overweight, plain, old
> sugar, candy, etc., every now and then won't hurt you. It might not be
> good for you, but in moderation, it needn't be avoided completely by most
> healthy people - and if you're overweight, you're not healthy by
> definition.
>
> Sorry but I had to ask.
>
> -S-

If his numbers are high he should be cutting down on carbs no matter how
much he weighs.

Cheri

Cheri wrote:
> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
> ...
>> elementsresto wrote:
>>> W;1832452 Wrote:
>>>> I would like to make my own sugar free chocolate from cocoa powder.
>>>> I don't
>>>> want any milk due to lactose intolerance. I don't want any flour,
>>>> and I
>>>> definitely don't want any sugar. I will use Stevia and Erythritol
>>>> (a sugar
>>>> alcohol that metabolizes in a way that is almost zero calories) as
>>>> the sweeteners. Are there any good recipes out there for this?
>>>>
>>>> I have found some decent chocolates online that match the above
>>>> general list
>>>> of ingredients, but they are extremely expensive. I'm looking to
>>>> lower
>>>> cost and also learn about chocolate making.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> W
>>>
>>>
>>> Got a good idea here. I'm also cutting off my sugar intake since my
>>> blood sugar level is getting high and it's alarming.
>>
>> At the risk of opening Pandora's box, I must ask if you're shooting
>> the messenger here - are you overweight? If you're not overweight,
>> plain, old sugar, candy, etc., every now and then won't hurt you. It
>> might not be good for you, but in moderation, it needn't be
>> avoided completely by most healthy people - and if you're
>> overweight, you're not healthy by definition.
>>
>> Sorry but I had to ask.
>>
>> -S-
>
> If his numbers are high he should be cutting down on carbs no matter
> how much he weighs.
>
> Cheri

If his numbers are high and he's overweight, he should

Lose weight to solve the long-term problem, and

Cut down on foods that raise his blood sugar to treat the short-term
symptoms.

-S-

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...
> Cheri wrote:
>> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> elementsresto wrote:
>>>> W;1832452 Wrote:
>>>>> I would like to make my own sugar free chocolate from cocoa powder.
>>>>> I don't
>>>>> want any milk due to lactose intolerance. I don't want any flour,
>>>>> and I
>>>>> definitely don't want any sugar. I will use Stevia and Erythritol
>>>>> (a sugar
>>>>> alcohol that metabolizes in a way that is almost zero calories) as
>>>>> the sweeteners. Are there any good recipes out there for this?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have found some decent chocolates online that match the above
>>>>> general list
>>>>> of ingredients, but they are extremely expensive. I'm looking to
>>>>> lower
>>>>> cost and also learn about chocolate making.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> W
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Got a good idea here. I'm also cutting off my sugar intake since my
>>>> blood sugar level is getting high and it's alarming.
>>>
>>> At the risk of opening Pandora's box, I must ask if you're shooting
>>> the messenger here - are you overweight? If you're not overweight,
>>> plain, old sugar, candy, etc., every now and then won't hurt you. It
>>> might not be good for you, but in moderation, it needn't be
>>> avoided completely by most healthy people - and if you're
>>> overweight, you're not healthy by definition.
>>>
>>> Sorry but I had to ask.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>
>> If his numbers are high he should be cutting down on carbs no matter
>> how much he weighs.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> If his numbers are high and he's overweight, he should
>
> Lose weight to solve the long-term problem, and
>
> Cut down on foods that raise his blood sugar to treat the short-term
> symptoms.
>
> -S-

Who said anything about being overweight, except you? He should control
carbs now if numbers are high.

Cheri

Cheri wrote:
> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Cheri wrote:
>>> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> elementsresto wrote:
>>>>> W;1832452 Wrote:
>>>>>> I would like to make my own sugar free chocolate from cocoa
>>>>>> powder. I don't
>>>>>> want any milk due to lactose intolerance. I don't want any
>>>>>> flour, and I
>>>>>> definitely don't want any sugar. I will use Stevia and
>>>>>> Erythritol (a sugar
>>>>>> alcohol that metabolizes in a way that is almost zero calories)
>>>>>> as the sweeteners. Are there any good recipes out there for
>>>>>> this? I have found some decent chocolates online that match the
>>>>>> above
>>>>>> general list
>>>>>> of ingredients, but they are extremely expensive. I'm looking
>>>>>> to lower
>>>>>> cost and also learn about chocolate making.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> W
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Got a good idea here. I'm also cutting off my sugar intake since
>>>>> my blood sugar level is getting high and it's alarming.
>>>>
>>>> At the risk of opening Pandora's box, I must ask if you're shooting
>>>> the messenger here - are you overweight? If you're not overweight,
>>>> plain, old sugar, candy, etc., every now and then won't hurt you.
>>>> It might not be good for you, but in moderation, it needn't be
>>>> avoided completely by most healthy people - and if you're
>>>> overweight, you're not healthy by definition.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry but I had to ask.
>>>>
>>>> -S-
>>>
>>> If his numbers are high he should be cutting down on carbs no matter
>>> how much he weighs.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> If his numbers are high and he's overweight, he should
>>
>> Lose weight to solve the long-term problem, and
>>
>> Cut down on foods that raise his blood sugar to treat the short-term
>> symptoms.
>>
>> -S-
>
> Who said anything about being overweight, except you? He should
> control carbs now if numbers are high.
>
> Cheri

I asked, and qualified it with "at the risk of opening Pandora's box"
but blood sugar problems, often symptoms of larger health issues, are
best dealt with in the context of those larger health issues. And I
didn't "say" this person is overweight, I asked if that was the case.

If you look around on the Internet, you'll find statements like this:

"High blood pressure, high cholesterol levels or high blood sugar levels
are all warning signs of some obesity-associated diseases."

Given that fact, I felt it prudent to raise the issue in the interest of
this person's health.

-S-

Steve Freides wrote:
> Cheri wrote:
>> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> elementsresto wrote:
>>>>>> W;1832452 Wrote:
>>>>>>> I would like to make my own sugar free chocolate from cocoa
>>>>>>> powder. I don't
>>>>>>> want any milk due to lactose intolerance. I don't want any
>>>>>>> flour, and I
>>>>>>> definitely don't want any sugar. I will use Stevia and
>>>>>>> Erythritol (a sugar
>>>>>>> alcohol that metabolizes in a way that is almost zero calories)
>>>>>>> as the sweeteners. Are there any good recipes out there for
>>>>>>> this? I have found some decent chocolates online that match the
>>>>>>> above
>>>>>>> general list
>>>>>>> of ingredients, but they are extremely expensive. I'm looking
>>>>>>> to lower
>>>>>>> cost and also learn about chocolate making.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> W
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Got a good idea here. I'm also cutting off my sugar intake since
>>>>>> my blood sugar level is getting high and it's alarming.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the risk of opening Pandora's box, I must ask if you're
>>>>> shooting the messenger here - are you overweight? If you're not
>>>>> overweight, plain, old sugar, candy, etc., every now and then
>>>>> won't hurt you. It might not be good for you, but in moderation,
>>>>> it needn't be avoided completely by most healthy people - and if
>>>>> you're overweight, you're not healthy by definition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry but I had to ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> -S-
>>>>
>>>> If his numbers are high he should be cutting down on carbs no
>>>> matter how much he weighs.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> If his numbers are high and he's overweight, he should
>>>
>>> Lose weight to solve the long-term problem, and
>>>
>>> Cut down on foods that raise his blood sugar to treat the short-term
>>> symptoms.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>
>> Who said anything about being overweight, except you? He should
>> control carbs now if numbers are high.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> I asked, and qualified it with "at the risk of opening Pandora's box"
> but blood sugar problems, often symptoms of larger health issues, are
> best dealt with in the context of those larger health issues. And I
> didn't "say" this person is overweight, I asked if that was the case.
>
> If you look around on the Internet, you'll find statements like this:
>
> "High blood pressure, high cholesterol levels or high blood sugar
> levels are all warning signs of some obesity-associated diseases."

That doesn't mean that it is true. There is the school of thought that with
type 2 diabetes, the overweight part is caused by the diabetes. If a person
is grossly obese, they may be able to make their diabetes better by getting
down to a more normal weight. But simply being overweight or even obese
doesn't raise blood sugar. The same goes for cholesterol and BP. I know
normal weight and thin people with high cholesterol and high BP.
>
> Given that fact, I felt it prudent to raise the issue in the interest
> of this person's health.

You might be in the minority there.

Julie Bove wrote:

> You might be in the minority there.

Quite, but I am not troubled by that.

I know there are some people who are overweight because they're
diabetic, and some people who are diabetic because they're overweight.
If someone would like to Google this one and post some statistics, I'm
all ears.

-S-

Steve Freides wrote:
> Cheri wrote:
>> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> elementsresto wrote:
>>>> W;1832452 Wrote:
>>>>> I would like to make my own sugar free chocolate from cocoa
>>>>> powder. I don't
>>>>> want any milk due to lactose intolerance. I don't want any flour,
>>>>> and I
>>>>> definitely don't want any sugar. I will use Stevia and
>>>>> Erythritol (a sugar
>>>>> alcohol that metabolizes in a way that is almost zero calories) as
>>>>> the sweeteners. Are there any good recipes out there for this?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have found some decent chocolates online that match the above
>>>>> general list
>>>>> of ingredients, but they are extremely expensive. I'm looking to
>>>>> lower
>>>>> cost and also learn about chocolate making.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> W
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Got a good idea here. I'm also cutting off my sugar intake since my
>>>> blood sugar level is getting high and it's alarming.
>>>
>>> At the risk of opening Pandora's box, I must ask if you're shooting
>>> the messenger here - are you overweight? If you're not overweight,
>>> plain, old sugar, candy, etc., every now and then won't hurt you. It
>>> might not be good for you, but in moderation, it needn't be
>>> avoided completely by most healthy people - and if you're
>>> overweight, you're not healthy by definition.
>>>
>>> Sorry but I had to ask.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>
>> If his numbers are high he should be cutting down on carbs no matter
>> how much he weighs.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> If his numbers are high and he's overweight, he should
>
> Lose weight to solve the long-term problem, and
>
> Cut down on foods that raise his blood sugar to treat the short-term
> symptoms.
>
> -S-

Losing weight doesn't lower blood sugar.

"barbie gee" > wrote in message
crg.pbz...
>
>
> On Mon, 6 May 2013, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> elementsresto wrote:
>>>>>> W;1832452 Wrote:
>>>>>>> I would like to make my own sugar free chocolate from cocoa
>>>>>>> powder. I don't
>>>>>>> want any milk due to lactose intolerance. I don't want any flour,
>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>> definitely don't want any sugar. I will use Stevia and
>>>>>>> Erythritol (a sugar
>>>>>>> alcohol that metabolizes in a way that is almost zero calories) as
>>>>>>> the sweeteners. Are there any good recipes out there for this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have found some decent chocolates online that match the above
>>>>>>> general list
>>>>>>> of ingredients, but they are extremely expensive. I'm looking to
>>>>>>> lower
>>>>>>> cost and also learn about chocolate making.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> W
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Got a good idea here. I'm also cutting off my sugar intake since my
>>>>>> blood sugar level is getting high and it's alarming.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the risk of opening Pandora's box, I must ask if you're shooting
>>>>> the messenger here - are you overweight? If you're not overweight,
>>>>> plain, old sugar, candy, etc., every now and then won't hurt you. It
>>>>> might not be good for you, but in moderation, it needn't be
>>>>> avoided completely by most healthy people - and if you're
>>>>> overweight, you're not healthy by definition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry but I had to ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> -S-
>>>>
>>>> If his numbers are high he should be cutting down on carbs no matter
>>>> how much he weighs.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> If his numbers are high and he's overweight, he should
>>>
>>> Lose weight to solve the long-term problem, and
>>>
>>> Cut down on foods that raise his blood sugar to treat the short-term
>>> symptoms.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>
>> Losing weight doesn't lower blood sugar.
>
> Not always, but it can.
> There are people who have reversed their diabetes by getting down to a
> more normal weight.
>


No, they didn't reverse it, they got it under control.

Cheri

On Mon, 6 May 2013 21:22:47 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> No, they didn't reverse it, they got it under control.

What is the true meaning of "under control"? BG down to normal?

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Mon, 6 May 2013 21:22:47 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>> No, they didn't reverse it, they got it under control.
>
> What is the true meaning of "under control"? BG down to normal?

Yes. My SIL had prediabetes. I won't say what she weighed but... She lost
over half of her body weight. She had normal numbers all day except for
after breakfast. She had a hard time finding a breakfast she could eat that
would work for her. But she finally did.

She lost the weight and her numbers were then always normal. But... She
also had not gone into full blown diabetes. She still has to watch what she
eats. She has gained some weight back. But just some.

I do not believe for an instant that anyone can reverse diabetes despite the
frequent claims. I say that because those people always have to watch what
they eat. If they don't, they could see high numbers again.

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Mon, 6 May 2013 21:22:47 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>> No, they didn't reverse it, they got it under control.
>
> What is the true meaning of "under control"? BG down to normal?

It really varies from person to person, to me it's decent numbers, no
complications, and no meds. I have been on meds in the early years, and
insulin for a short time, but not now. However, if I sat down for a day or
so and ate a lot of carbs, my numbers would shoot high, so under control is
not reversing diabetes.

Cheri

"barbie gee" > wrote in message
crg.pbz...
>
>
> On Mon, 6 May 2013, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> elementsresto wrote:
>>>>>> W;1832452 Wrote:
>>>>>>> I would like to make my own sugar free chocolate from cocoa
>>>>>>> powder. I don't
>>>>>>> want any milk due to lactose intolerance. I don't want any flour,
>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>> definitely don't want any sugar. I will use Stevia and
>>>>>>> Erythritol (a sugar
>>>>>>> alcohol that metabolizes in a way that is almost zero calories) as
>>>>>>> the sweeteners. Are there any good recipes out there for this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have found some decent chocolates online that match the above
>>>>>>> general list
>>>>>>> of ingredients, but they are extremely expensive. I'm looking to
>>>>>>> lower
>>>>>>> cost and also learn about chocolate making.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> W
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Got a good idea here. I'm also cutting off my sugar intake since my
>>>>>> blood sugar level is getting high and it's alarming.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the risk of opening Pandora's box, I must ask if you're shooting
>>>>> the messenger here - are you overweight? If you're not overweight,
>>>>> plain, old sugar, candy, etc., every now and then won't hurt you. It
>>>>> might not be good for you, but in moderation, it needn't be
>>>>> avoided completely by most healthy people - and if you're
>>>>> overweight, you're not healthy by definition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry but I had to ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> -S-
>>>>
>>>> If his numbers are high he should be cutting down on carbs no matter
>>>> how much he weighs.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> If his numbers are high and he's overweight, he should
>>>
>>> Lose weight to solve the long-term problem, and
>>>
>>> Cut down on foods that raise his blood sugar to treat the short-term
>>> symptoms.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>
>> Losing weight doesn't lower blood sugar.
>
> Not always, but it can.
> There are people who have reversed their diabetes by getting down to a
> more normal weight.

But most of those are extremely obese to begin with and they are by far not
the norm. There are plenty of diabetics on the diabetes newsgroup who are
thin to normal weight and they still have diabetes.

On Mon, 6 May 2013 21:48:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> There are plenty of diabetics on the diabetes newsgroup who are
> thin to normal weight and they still have diabetes.
>

That's my husband. Not insulin dependent yet and not taking pills but
the BG is up there.


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 6 May 2013 21:48:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> There are plenty of diabetics on the diabetes newsgroup who are
>> thin to normal weight and they still have diabetes.
>>
>
> That's my husband. Not insulin dependent yet and not taking pills but
> the BG is up there.

How high is "up there"? If it is too high then he needs to change his diet
and/or take pills or maybe insulin.

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...
> elementsresto wrote:
>> W;1832452 Wrote:
>>> I would like to make my own sugar free chocolate from cocoa powder.
>>> I don't
>>> want any milk due to lactose intolerance. I don't want any flour,
>>> and I
>>> definitely don't want any sugar. I will use Stevia and Erythritol
>>> (a sugar
>>> alcohol that metabolizes in a way that is almost zero calories) as
>>> the sweeteners. Are there any good recipes out there for this?
>>>
>>> I have found some decent chocolates online that match the above
>>> general list
>>> of ingredients, but they are extremely expensive. I'm looking to
>>> lower
>>> cost and also learn about chocolate making.
>>>
>>> --
>>> W
>>
>>
>> Got a good idea here. I'm also cutting off my sugar intake since my
>> blood sugar level is getting high and it's alarming.
>
> At the risk of opening Pandora's box, I must ask if you're shooting the
> messenger here - are you overweight? If you're not overweight, plain, old
> sugar, candy, etc., every now and then won't hurt you. It might not be
> good for you, but in moderation, it needn't be avoided completely by most
> healthy people - and if you're overweight, you're not healthy by
> definition.
>
> Sorry but I had to ask.
>
> -S-
>

Steve Freides wrote:
> elementsresto wrote:
>> W;1832452 Wrote:
>>> I would like to make my own sugar free chocolate from cocoa powder.
>>> I don't
>>> want any milk due to lactose intolerance. I don't want any flour,
>>> and I
>>> definitely don't want any sugar. I will use Stevia and Erythritol
>>> (a sugar
>>> alcohol that metabolizes in a way that is almost zero calories) as
>>> the sweeteners. Are there any good recipes out there for this?
>>>
>>> I have found some decent chocolates online that match the above
>>> general list
>>> of ingredients, but they are extremely expensive. I'm looking to
>>> lower
>>> cost and also learn about chocolate making.
>>>
>>> --
>>> W
>>
>>
>> Got a good idea here. I'm also cutting off my sugar intake since my
>> blood sugar level is getting high and it's alarming.
>
> At the risk of opening Pandora's box, I must ask if you're shooting
> the messenger here - are you overweight? If you're not overweight,
> plain, old sugar, candy, etc., every now and then won't hurt you. It
> might not be good for you, but in moderation, it needn't be avoided
> completely by most healthy people - and if you're overweight, you're
> not healthy by definition.
>
> Sorry but I had to ask.
>
> -S-

The person said that they have high blood sugar. So sugar will affect them
as will all carbs. Overweight or not.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...

> The person said that they have high blood sugar. So sugar will affect
> them as will all carbs. Overweight or not.


Very true.

Cheri