Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to file
electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of folks
down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th. When we were poor
and newlyweds, we paid taxes on our income ( of $ 280 per month) including
that which was deducted for social security. Didn't we? NOW we must pay
income tax on our pitiful little social security checks? Okay. I'm a
great-grandmother and not the brightest bulb on the string anymore but what
is wrong with this? Polly

In article >,
"Polly Esther" > wrote:

> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to file
> electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
> electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of folks
> down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th. When we were poor
> and newlyweds, we paid taxes on our income ( of $ 280 per month) including
> that which was deducted for social security. Didn't we? NOW we must pay
> income tax on our pitiful little social security checks? Okay. I'm a
> great-grandmother and not the brightest bulb on the string anymore but what
> is wrong with this? Polly

What you are experiencing is best told by 'Star Trek', believe it or
not. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. You have to
live with that, because that's what our political system is doing to any
successful or previously successful nongovernmental people now. I'm no
longer associated with AARP as a token of feeble rebellion.
Most people will disagree with me until our monetary system collapses. I
hope I die before that happens. I will most certainly die forthwith when
it does.
2 cents and I hope I'm wrong

never political leo

Polly Esther wrote:
> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to
> file electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
> electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of
> folks down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th. When
> we were poor and newlyweds, we paid taxes on our income ( of $ 280
> per month) including that which was deducted for social security. Didn't
> we? NOW we must pay income tax on our pitiful little social
> security checks? Okay. I'm a great-grandmother and not the
> brightest bulb on the string anymore but what is wrong with this? Polly

Yeah! What happened this year? Soo many people have to pay even though
they are not making more money.

I do remember having to pay one year. But I think the problem there was
that I had owned some stocks. They split and they offered a buyout thing
where you didn't pay um...what's it called? Street fees? Something like
that. I think I had to pay $17 that year. I think also that year they
changed something. I do remember having to fill out a new W4 (I think that
was what it was) and used the formula they told me to use. And it just
wasn't enough. My husband had a problem on his too although we weren't
married then. And a lot of my friends had to pay too. We had to change our
W4 to have them take out a little more money from each check.

Then we got married and once again I had to pay. When I retired, I took the
$4,000 out that I had in what I thought was a savings account. I had asked
many questions about this account because they did offer several different
types of accounts. I was the only person at my workplace who had this
account and they really didn't seem to know much about it. But I did ask
the man who was in charge of the plans and he said that this one and only
this one was not a 401K plan. But then long story short at some point they
changed it over to a 401K and did not tell us! I even asked when I signed
my retirement papers if I had to roll the money over and was told that I did
not. I found out the harsh truth after I had H & R Block do my taxes. And
yikes! I can't remember how much we had to pay that year but I was not
happy!

This year I freaked when doing the taxes. I have been using Turbo Tax
online. But long story short there, you can not use the online version when
you have a situation as complicated as ours is. Husband having lived in CA,
WA, PA and NY and for most of the year being in the military. The online
version was telling me that we owed something like $4,000 to the state of
NY! Turns out it was taxing every dime that the two of us made for the
entire year. Even though technically, according to their standards (the
state of NY) he was only a resident of their state for maybe 100 days. I
don't really know for sure because he works pretty much 2 days off and two
days on. And on his off days, he goes to PA. But even if he had stayed
every day in NY since he got there, he wouldn't have been there for long
enough to be considered a resident. Now this upcoming year may be
different. So it turns out that we are getting back all that he paid to NY.
I personally don't think this is right and I wouldn't have had a problem
paying that to them but... I guess that's not how they figure it.

The bad thing is in how they configured the Turbo Tax now. It doesn't
figure stuff in the same manner than it did before. At first it showed us
getting some back. Then it showed that we owed a whopping amount! Then
little by little, the amount came down. But I was missing my 1098. And
until I put that in, it still showed us as owing. Like over $1,000! So I
was really freaking because we simply don't have that amount.

We did wind up getting some back in the end, but it was not nearly as much
as we got in the past. So I do think something is up. Granted we did make
a little more money this past year than the years before but it wasn't
enough more to put us in a higher tax bracket. So what happened? Did they
do something to give us a little more spending money with each check or
something?

I also learned of another bad thing. My pension is such that I can get it
at age 55 or age 65. My friends who have the same pension are all older
than me. Most got theirs at age 55 and seemed clueless to any problems with
it. But one friend learned of the problems when she filed her taxes. When
you take it at age 55, not only is it treated like a 401K plan but... The
amount you then get at age 62 drops like a rock. So much so that if I were
to choose that option, I'd only get like $12 a month! She was confused
about it and asked another friend who told her there were no problems and no
penalties. But in both cases, my friends seriously needed the money right
then and there and just went for it. But now my friend has to pay $800 in
taxes because she did this. Other friends were urging me to do the same but
I spent quite a lot of time poring over the documents and options and then I
realized that getting the money at age 55 would be a totally stupid thing to
do. The concern is that they are closing the store where I worked soon and
fixing to close some others. So the company may totally go out of business.
I was told that my pension money is safe in some sort of account but...
None of us trust this company as far as we could throw it. So I guess that
any money would be better than no money, but I'm still going to try to hold
out. I wouldn't get enough per month to be of much use to me anyway if I
did get it in just over a year.

Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article >,
> "Polly Esther" > wrote:
>
>> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to
>> file electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would
>> filing electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the
>> line of folks down at the post office and mail payment on April
>> 15th. When we were poor and newlyweds, we paid taxes on our income
>> ( of $ 280 per month) including that which was deducted for social
>> security. Didn't we? NOW we must pay income tax on our pitiful
>> little social security checks? Okay. I'm a great-grandmother and
>> not the brightest bulb on the string anymore but what is wrong with
>> this? Polly
>
> What you are experiencing is best told by 'Star Trek', believe it or
> not. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. You have to
> live with that, because that's what our political system is doing to
> any successful or previously successful nongovernmental people now.
> I'm no longer associated with AARP as a token of feeble rebellion.
> Most people will disagree with me until our monetary system
> collapses. I hope I die before that happens. I will most certainly
> die forthwith when it does.
> 2 cents and I hope I'm wrong
>
> never political leo

I've been a member of AARP for two years now and only because my daughter's
school was having a magazine drive and I got it through there. Their
magazine and newsletters are really pretty stupid and I think you'd have to
be pretty stupid and clueless to get any benefit out of them. Yes, you can
get discounts at some places with their card but... In this area, I think
the only place I can use it is at Denny's. And the last time we tried to do
that, we were told that Denny's no longer gives the discount at lunch. Not
that I hope to darken the door of a Denny's ever again. Other than that?
Really what benefit are they to me? I don't even need to go in through them
for the restaurant.com gift cards because I can get free ones through
MyCokeRewards!

I do remember when I was in my 20's they were constantly sending me catalogs
and in those days they sold stuff. Cheap stuff and stuff that I wanted.
Like HBA stuff. I was mad because I was too young to take advantage of
their prices. And now they don't sell that stuff any more.

On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:11:27 -0500, "Polly Esther"
> wrote:

>Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to file
>electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of folks
>down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th.

The main advantage is, you don't have to go to the post office and
stand in line. I owed this year and it did not cost me anything extra
to file electronically and I get to choose the date I want the money
taken from my checking account.

Saves a stamp, writing a check and is convenient. Done with a couple
of mouse clicks. If you like going to the PO, enjoy the trip.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:11:27 -0500, "Polly Esther"
> > wrote:
>
>>Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to file
>>electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>>electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of folks
>>down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th.
>
> The main advantage is, you don't have to go to the post office and
> stand in line. I owed this year and it did not cost me anything extra
> to file electronically and I get to choose the date I want the money
> taken from my checking account.
>
> Saves a stamp, writing a check and is convenient. Done with a couple
> of mouse clicks. If you like going to the PO, enjoy the trip.

Why would you have to go to the post office to mail something? We have a
locking mail box here but perhaps you don't have one there? I would still
file electronically if I owed though. I truly hate having to mail bills in.
With the price of postage nowadays, I don't like to use stamps. I do still
snail mail cards but I also send less cards than I used to. I do have to
snail mail things to one of my Drs. and that's a PITA. I wish I could just
scan the documents and send him the scans. But he doesn't want to operate
that way.

"Polly Esther" > wrote:

>Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to file
>electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>electronically benefit me?

In NY you would avoid the fee for *not* filing electronically.

I don't see it on their site now- so maybe it was just last year? I
use TurboTax and was going to mail mine last year and the software
warned me of the fee for filing by mail.

Jim

On 3/11/2013 11:11 PM, Polly Esther wrote:
> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to
> file electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
> electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of
> folks down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th. When we
> were poor and newlyweds, we paid taxes on our income ( of $ 280 per
> month) including that which was deducted for social security. Didn't
> we? NOW we must pay income tax on our pitiful little social security
> checks? Okay. I'm a great-grandmother and not the brightest bulb on
> the string anymore but what is wrong with this? Polly

Congratulate yourself for having earned a benefit large enough to tax.
Many people would be thankful to be in your shoes, because they're
struggling to get by on a pension so small, they don't have to pay taxes.

On 3/12/2013 7:13 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:11:27 -0500, "Polly Esther"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to file
>>> electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>>> electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of folks
>>> down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th.
>>
>> The main advantage is, you don't have to go to the post office and
>> stand in line. I owed this year and it did not cost me anything extra
>> to file electronically and I get to choose the date I want the money
>> taken from my checking account.
>>
>> Saves a stamp, writing a check and is convenient. Done with a couple
>> of mouse clicks. If you like going to the PO, enjoy the trip.
>
> Why would you have to go to the post office to mail something?
> (snip)
>
You've never heard of this? People who owe money to the government wait
until the last possible minute to file. Why give them your money (which
they can stick in an account and earn interest on) any sooner than you
have to? As long as the tax return is postmarked by Midnight, April
15th you aren't penalized for late filing. Many Post Office branches
stay open until Midnight on 4/15 for this reason.

Jill

Jill

On 3/12/2013 7:55 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
> "Polly Esther" > wrote:
>
>> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to file
>> electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>> electronically benefit me?
>
> In NY you would avoid the fee for *not* filing electronically.
>
> I don't see it on their site now- so maybe it was just last year? I
> use TurboTax and was going to mail mine last year and the software
> warned me of the fee for filing by mail.
>
> Jim
>
Kind of ironic. Two agencies of the same government. The Post Office
was founded on snail mail; the IRS wants to penalize you for using it. LOL

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/12/2013 7:13 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:11:27 -0500, "Polly Esther"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to
>>>> file
>>>> electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>>>> electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of
>>>> folks
>>>> down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th.
>>>
>>> The main advantage is, you don't have to go to the post office and
>>> stand in line. I owed this year and it did not cost me anything extra
>>> to file electronically and I get to choose the date I want the money
>>> taken from my checking account.
>>>
>>> Saves a stamp, writing a check and is convenient. Done with a couple
>>> of mouse clicks. If you like going to the PO, enjoy the trip.
>>
>> Why would you have to go to the post office to mail something?
>> (snip)
>>
> You've never heard of this? People who owe money to the government wait
> until the last possible minute to file. Why give them your money (which
> they can stick in an account and earn interest on) any sooner than you
> have to? As long as the tax return is postmarked by Midnight, April 15th
> you aren't penalized for late filing. Many Post Office branches stay open
> until Midnight on 4/15 for this reason.
>
> Jill
>
> Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/12/2013 7:13 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:11:27 -0500, "Polly Esther"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to
>>>> file
>>>> electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>>>> electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of
>>>> folks
>>>> down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th.
>>>
>>> The main advantage is, you don't have to go to the post office and
>>> stand in line. I owed this year and it did not cost me anything extra
>>> to file electronically and I get to choose the date I want the money
>>> taken from my checking account.
>>>
>>> Saves a stamp, writing a check and is convenient. Done with a couple
>>> of mouse clicks. If you like going to the PO, enjoy the trip.
>>
>> Why would you have to go to the post office to mail something?
>> (snip)
>>
> You've never heard of this? People who owe money to the government wait
> until the last possible minute to file. Why give them your money (which
> they can stick in an account and earn interest on) any sooner than you
> have to? As long as the tax return is postmarked by Midnight, April 15th
> you aren't penalized for late filing. Many Post Office branches stay open
> until Midnight on 4/15 for this reason.
>
> Jill
>
> Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/12/2013 7:13 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:11:27 -0500, "Polly Esther"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to
>>>> file
>>>> electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>>>> electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of
>>>> folks
>>>> down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th.
>>>
>>> The main advantage is, you don't have to go to the post office and
>>> stand in line. I owed this year and it did not cost me anything extra
>>> to file electronically and I get to choose the date I want the money
>>> taken from my checking account.
>>>
>>> Saves a stamp, writing a check and is convenient. Done with a couple
>>> of mouse clicks. If you like going to the PO, enjoy the trip.
>>
>> Why would you have to go to the post office to mail something?
>> (snip)
>>
> You've never heard of this? People who owe money to the government wait
> until the last possible minute to file. Why give them your money (which
> they can stick in an account and earn interest on) any sooner than you
> have to? As long as the tax return is postmarked by Midnight, April 15th
> you aren't penalized for late filing. Many Post Office branches stay open
> until Midnight on 4/15 for this reason.

But that still wouldn't require a trip to the post office. Even if I were
to mail it in, I'd just put it in my mail box.

"Jim Elbrecht" > wrote in message
...
> "Polly Esther" > wrote:
>
>>Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to file
>>electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>>electronically benefit me?
>
> In NY you would avoid the fee for *not* filing electronically.
>
> I don't see it on their site now- so maybe it was just last year? I
> use TurboTax and was going to mail mine last year and the software
> warned me of the fee for filing by mail.
>
> Jim

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/12/2013 7:55 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>> "Polly Esther" > wrote:
>>
>>> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to
>>> file
>>> electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>>> electronically benefit me?
>>
>> In NY you would avoid the fee for *not* filing electronically.
>>
>> I don't see it on their site now- so maybe it was just last year? I
>> use TurboTax and was going to mail mine last year and the software
>> warned me of the fee for filing by mail.
>>
>> Jim
>>
> Kind of ironic. Two agencies of the same government. The Post Office was
> founded on snail mail; the IRS wants to penalize you for using it. LOL
>
> Jill

I could have sworn that I read on Turbo Tax that NY was now requiring you to
e-file.

On 3/12/2013 10:25 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 3/12/2013 7:13 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:11:27 -0500, "Polly Esther"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to
>>>>> file
>>>>> electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>>>>> electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of
>>>>> folks
>>>>> down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th.
>>>>
>>>> The main advantage is, you don't have to go to the post office and
>>>> stand in line. I owed this year and it did not cost me anything extra
>>>> to file electronically and I get to choose the date I want the money
>>>> taken from my checking account.
>>>>
>>>> Saves a stamp, writing a check and is convenient. Done with a couple
>>>> of mouse clicks. If you like going to the PO, enjoy the trip.
>>>
>>> Why would you have to go to the post office to mail something?
>>> (snip)
>>>
>> You've never heard of this? People who owe money to the government wait
>> until the last possible minute to file. Why give them your money (which
>> they can stick in an account and earn interest on) any sooner than you
>> have to? As long as the tax return is postmarked by Midnight, April 15th
>> you aren't penalized for late filing. Many Post Office branches stay open
>> until Midnight on 4/15 for this reason.
>
> But that still wouldn't require a trip to the post office. Even if I were
> to mail it in, I'd just put it in my mail box.
>
>
You don't get it. If you put it in your mailbox on April 15th there is
*no* guarantee it will be postmarked by Midnight. And if it isn't,
you're penalized by the IRS for filing late. If you actually *go* to
the post office they can't just leave it sitting in a mail bag until the
next business day.

Jill

On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:11:27 -0500, "Polly Esther"
> wrote:

>Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to file
>electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of folks
>down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th. When we were poor
>and newlyweds, we paid taxes on our income ( of $ 280 per month) including
>that which was deducted for social security. Didn't we? NOW we must pay
>income tax on our pitiful little social security checks? Okay. I'm a
>great-grandmother and not the brightest bulb on the string anymore but what
>is wrong with this? Polly

It is less expensive for the government to handle the taxes
electronically and less expensive for you because you don't pay for a
stamp or gasoline to get to the post office. Everybody whines about
how much the government spends yet most are not willing to help in any
small way because it 'infringes' on their personal freedom to do
things the way they have always done them.
Janet US

On 3/12/13 7:13 AM, Julie Bove wrote:

> Why would you have to go to the post office to mail something?

Because unless you want to take a chance with the IRS, you should get
proof of mailing if you're filing your taxes at the last minute.

-- Larry

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:15:42 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 3/12/2013 7:55 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>> "Polly Esther" > wrote:
>>
>>> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to file
>>> electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>>> electronically benefit me?
>>
>> In NY you would avoid the fee for *not* filing electronically.
>>
>> I don't see it on their site now- so maybe it was just last year? I
>> use TurboTax and was going to mail mine last year and the software
>> warned me of the fee for filing by mail.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>Kind of ironic. Two agencies of the same government. The Post Office
>was founded on snail mail; the IRS wants to penalize you for using it. LOL

Yabbut--
1. The post office is less US gov't than it used to be, though I've
never seen it explained so I can understand it.
2. NY State has nothing to do with the post office- and their argument
last year was that they saved a bundle by not having to open envelopes
and key everything into their computers.

Jim

On 3/12/2013 11:07 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:15:42 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/12/2013 7:55 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>>> "Polly Esther" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to file
>>>> electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>>>> electronically benefit me?
>>>
>>> In NY you would avoid the fee for *not* filing electronically.
>>>
>>> I don't see it on their site now- so maybe it was just last year? I
>>> use TurboTax and was going to mail mine last year and the software
>>> warned me of the fee for filing by mail.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>> Kind of ironic. Two agencies of the same government. The Post Office
>> was founded on snail mail; the IRS wants to penalize you for using it. LOL
>
> Yabbut--
> 1. The post office is less US gov't than it used to be, though I've
> never seen it explained so I can understand it.
> 2. NY State has nothing to do with the post office- and their argument
> last year was that they saved a bundle by not having to open envelopes
> and key everything into their computers.
>
> Jim
>
Ohhhh... are you talking about NY *State* income taxes or Federal taxes?
If the former, I misunderstood. Sowwy!

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/12/2013 7:55 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>> "Polly Esther" > wrote:
>>
>>> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to
>>> file
>>> electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>>> electronically benefit me?
>>
>> In NY you would avoid the fee for *not* filing electronically.
>>
>> I don't see it on their site now- so maybe it was just last year? I
>> use TurboTax and was going to mail mine last year and the software
>> warned me of the fee for filing by mail.
>>
>> Jim
>>
> Kind of ironic. Two agencies of the same government. The Post Office was
> founded on snail mail; the IRS wants to penalize you for using it. LOL
>
> Jill

You think this is the only example of the government working at cross
purposes?

On Mar 12, 3:00*am, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:11:27 -0500, "Polly Esther"
>
> > wrote:
> >Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to file
> >electronically. *We are not receiving a refund. *Why would filing
> >electronically benefit me? *For the lst time, I'll join the line of folks
> >down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th.
>
> The main advantage is, you don't have to go to the post office and
> stand in line. *I owed this year and it did not cost me anything extra
> to file electronically and I get to choose the date I want the money
> taken from my checking account.
>
> Saves a stamp, writing a check and is convenient. *Done with a couple
> of mouse clicks. *If you like going to the PO, enjoy the trip.

and I think it was also part of the paper reduction act.

On Mar 12, 7:08*am, Moe DeLoughan > wrote:
> On 3/11/2013 11:11 PM, Polly Esther wrote:
>
> > Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to
> > file electronically. *We are not receiving a refund. *Why would filing
> > electronically benefit me? *For the lst time, I'll join the line of
> > folks down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th. *When we
> > were poor and newlyweds, we paid taxes on our income ( of $ 280 per
> > month) including that which was deducted for social security. *Didn't
> > we? NOW we must pay income tax on our pitiful little social security
> > checks? *Okay. *I'm a great-grandmother and not the brightest bulb on
> > the string anymore but what is wrong with this? *Polly
>
> Congratulate yourself for having earned a benefit large enough to tax.
> Many people would be thankful to be in your shoes, because they're
> struggling to get by on a pension so small, they don't have to pay taxes.

http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answ...urity-benefits

You will have to pay federal taxes on your Social Security benefits if
you file a federal tax return as an individual and your total income
is more than $25,000. If you file a joint return, you will have to
pay taxes if you and your spouse have a total income of more than
$32,000.

Use the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) Notice 703 shown on the back of
the Social Security Benefit Statement, SSA Form 1099, to determine if
any of your benefits may be taxable.

Social Security has no authority to withhold state or local taxes from
your benefit. Many states and local authorities do not tax Social
Security benefits. However, you should contact your state or local
taxing authority for more information.

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:15:42 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 3/12/2013 7:55 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>> "Polly Esther" > wrote:
>>
>>> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to file
>>> electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>>> electronically benefit me?
>>
>> In NY you would avoid the fee for *not* filing electronically.
>>
>> I don't see it on their site now- so maybe it was just last year? I
>> use TurboTax and was going to mail mine last year and the software
>> warned me of the fee for filing by mail.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>Kind of ironic. Two agencies of the same government. The Post Office
>was founded on snail mail; the IRS wants to penalize you for using it. LOL
>
>Jill
The snail mail or lack of is not what is killing the Post Office. In
2006 after which Congress passed the Postal Accountability and
Enhancement Act",(which mandated $5.5 billion per year to be paid into
an account to pre-fund retiree health-care, 75 years into the future,
a requirement unique among organizations and businesses in the U.S.

Gotta fund those subsidies for the oil companies and the billionaires
somehow.

Janet US

"Chemo" > wrote in message
...
On Mar 12, 3:00 am, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:11:27 -0500, "Polly Esther"
>
> > wrote:
> >Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to file
> >electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
> >electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of folks
> >down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th.
>
> The main advantage is, you don't have to go to the post office and
> stand in line. I owed this year and it did not cost me anything extra
> to file electronically and I get to choose the date I want the money
> taken from my checking account.
>
> Saves a stamp, writing a check and is convenient. Done with a couple
> of mouse clicks. If you like going to the PO, enjoy the trip.

and I think it was also part of the paper reduction act.


++++++++++

they need to replace the "paperwork reduction act" with the "PITA, paper or
not, reduction act"

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 04:13:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:



>
>Why would you have to go to the post office to mail something? We have a
>locking mail box here but perhaps you don't have one there? I would still
>file electronically if I owed though.

Yes, you choose the date to have the funds withdrawn. Given the paltry
interest in savings, I paid it on 3/1 just to be done with it.


> I truly hate having to mail bills in.
>With the price of postage nowadays, I don't like to use stamps. I do still
>snail mail cards but I also send less cards than I used to.


IMO, the USPS is still one of the best bargains around. Can you take
a letter across town for less than 50¢? Across the country? If they
raised the price of a stamp a dime, I'd still not complain. I use a
half dozen stamp a month at best. My town tax bill and water bill are
the only payments I can think of that I do by check and mail, the
occasional greeting card and yes, sometimes a handwritten letter to
friends. Utilities are on line.

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:00:59 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:11:27 -0500, "Polly Esther"
> wrote:
>
>>Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to file
>>electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>>electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of folks
>>down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th.

If an accountant is competant they would file for you electronically a
few hours before it's due... you lose nothing by filing
electronically, in fact it's easier to prove that you filed on time,
you even get a receipt emailed to you (well, to your accountant).

>The main advantage is, you don't have to go to the post office and
>stand in line. I owed this year and it did not cost me anything extra
>to file electronically and I get to choose the date I want the money
>taken from my checking account.
>
>Saves a stamp, writing a check and is convenient. Done with a couple
>of mouse clicks. If you like going to the PO, enjoy the trip.

Exactly, I've been filing electronically since it could be done... and
most years I've paid... I simply don't click Turbo Tax to send until
the last day, they don't get my money early.

On Mar 12, 12:11*am, "Polly Esther" > wrote:
> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to file
> electronically. *We are not receiving a refund. *Why would filing
> electronically benefit me? *For the lst time, I'll join the line of folks
> down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th. *When we were poor
> and newlyweds, we paid taxes on our income ( of $ 280 per month) including
> that which was deducted for social security. *Didn't we? NOW we must pay
> income tax on our pitiful little social security checks? *Okay. *I'm a
> great-grandmother and not the brightest bulb on the string anymore but what
> is wrong with this? *Polly

What I see as wrong is standing in line, when you could be ASSURED
that your return gets there by filing electronically.

I would bet my last dime you have received more in SS than you ever
paid in, so maybe you should think twice about the taxation aspect.

On Mar 12, 10:25*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 3/12/2013 7:13 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:11:27 -0500, "Polly Esther"
> >>> > wrote:
>
> >>>> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to
> >>>> file
> >>>> electronically. *We are not receiving a refund. *Why would filing
> >>>> electronically benefit me? *For the lst time, I'll join the line of
> >>>> folks
> >>>> down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th.
>
> >>> The main advantage is, you don't have to go to the post office and
> >>> stand in line. *I owed this year and it did not cost me anything extra
> >>> to file electronically and I get to choose the date I want the money
> >>> taken from my checking account.
>
> >>> Saves a stamp, writing a check and is convenient. *Done with a couple
> >>> of mouse clicks. *If you like going to the PO, enjoy the trip.
>
> >> Why would you have to go to the post office to mail something?
> >> (snip)
>
> > You've never heard of this? *People who owe money to the government wait
> > until the last possible minute to file. *Why give them your money (which
> > they can stick in an account and earn interest on) any sooner than you
> > have to? *As long as the tax return is postmarked by Midnight, April 15th
> > you aren't penalized for late filing. *Many Post Office branches stay open
> > until Midnight on 4/15 for this reason.
>
> But that still wouldn't require a trip to the post office. *Even if I were
> to mail it in, I'd just put it in my mail box.

Before elec. filing, I sure as hell went to the post office and paid
for certified mail. No way was I going to find it it 'never got
there' and be faced with a hassle and penalty.

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:28:23 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 3/12/2013 10:25 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 3/12/2013 7:13 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:11:27 -0500, "Polly Esther"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to
>>>>>> file
>>>>>> electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>>>>>> electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of
>>>>>> folks
>>>>>> down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th.
>>>>>
>>>>> The main advantage is, you don't have to go to the post office and
>>>>> stand in line. I owed this year and it did not cost me anything extra
>>>>> to file electronically and I get to choose the date I want the money
>>>>> taken from my checking account.
>>>>>
>>>>> Saves a stamp, writing a check and is convenient. Done with a couple
>>>>> of mouse clicks. If you like going to the PO, enjoy the trip.
>>>>
>>>> Why would you have to go to the post office to mail something?
>>>> (snip)
>>>>
>>> You've never heard of this? People who owe money to the government wait
>>> until the last possible minute to file. Why give them your money (which
>>> they can stick in an account and earn interest on) any sooner than you
>>> have to? As long as the tax return is postmarked by Midnight, April 15th
>>> you aren't penalized for late filing. Many Post Office branches stay open
>>> until Midnight on 4/15 for this reason.
>>
>> But that still wouldn't require a trip to the post office. Even if I were
>> to mail it in, I'd just put it in my mail box.
>>
>You don't get it. If you put it in your mailbox on April 15th there is
>*no* guarantee it will be postmarked by Midnight. And if it isn't,
>you're penalized by the IRS for filing late. If you actually *go* to
>the post office they can't just leave it sitting in a mail bag until the
>next business day.

Why not... often they do just leave it until the next day... postal
workers ain't the swiftest.

There's still no guarantee it'll get post marked on time unless it's
post marked by hand at the counter... and you still have no proof...
you won't get a receipt sending by ordinary snail mail. Were I
cutting it close with snail mail I'd send it registered return
receipt. Filing electronically is the best way to prove you filed on
time.

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:40:28 -0700, "Pico Rico"
> wrote:

>
>"Chemo" > wrote in message
...
>On Mar 12, 3:00 am, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:11:27 -0500, "Polly Esther"
>>
>> > wrote:
>> >Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to file
>> >electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>> >electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of folks
>> >down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th.
>>
>> The main advantage is, you don't have to go to the post office and
>> stand in line. I owed this year and it did not cost me anything extra
>> to file electronically and I get to choose the date I want the money
>> taken from my checking account.
>>
>> Saves a stamp, writing a check and is convenient. Done with a couple
>> of mouse clicks. If you like going to the PO, enjoy the trip.
>
>and I think it was also part of the paper reduction act.

A lotta BS... before the advent of the computer I never got so much
paper and it's getting to be more by leaps and bounds every day. I
never needed a shredder before the computer. The computer is what
enables one to receive reams of junk mail every week. I get almost
enough junk mail catalogues to burn in a wood stove to heat my house.

On 12/03/2013 12:11 AM, Polly Esther wrote:
> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to
> file electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
> electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of
> folks down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th. When we
> were poor and newlyweds, we paid taxes on our income ( of $ 280 per
> month) including that which was deducted for social security. Didn't
> we? NOW we must pay income tax on our pitiful little social security
> checks? Okay. I'm a great-grandmother and not the brightest bulb on
> the string anymore but what is wrong with this? Polly


That reminds me. I have to get down to hand the info over the the
company that does our taxes for me. I file electronically. I know we are
going to owe. My wife and I are both collecting Canada Pension Plan and
there is nothing withheld on that, so we know we are going to have to
pay, but my wife's CPP goes directly into one of her savings accounts
and we will pay the tax owing from that account.

While we are in the city we have to go and get out passports renewed.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/12/2013 10:25 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 3/12/2013 7:13 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:11:27 -0500, "Polly Esther"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to
>>>>>> file
>>>>>> electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>>>>>> electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of
>>>>>> folks
>>>>>> down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th.
>>>>>
>>>>> The main advantage is, you don't have to go to the post office and
>>>>> stand in line. I owed this year and it did not cost me anything extra
>>>>> to file electronically and I get to choose the date I want the money
>>>>> taken from my checking account.
>>>>>
>>>>> Saves a stamp, writing a check and is convenient. Done with a couple
>>>>> of mouse clicks. If you like going to the PO, enjoy the trip.
>>>>
>>>> Why would you have to go to the post office to mail something?
>>>> (snip)
>>>>
>>> You've never heard of this? People who owe money to the government wait
>>> until the last possible minute to file. Why give them your money (which
>>> they can stick in an account and earn interest on) any sooner than you
>>> have to? As long as the tax return is postmarked by Midnight, April
>>> 15th
>>> you aren't penalized for late filing. Many Post Office branches stay
>>> open
>>> until Midnight on 4/15 for this reason.
>>
>> But that still wouldn't require a trip to the post office. Even if I
>> were
>> to mail it in, I'd just put it in my mail box.
>>
>>
> You don't get it. If you put it in your mailbox on April 15th there is
> *no* guarantee it will be postmarked by Midnight. And if it isn't, you're
> penalized by the IRS for filing late. If you actually *go* to the post
> office they can't just leave it sitting in a mail bag until the next
> business day.

Just as there is no guarantee that it will be postmarked by then when you
take it to the post office! I think they most likely *can* leave it sitting
there. Especially in light of all the stuff we are currently seeing on the
news about them.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:28:23 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 3/12/2013 10:25 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 3/12/2013 7:13 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:11:27 -0500, "Polly Esther"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to
>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>> electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>>>>>>> electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of
>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>> down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The main advantage is, you don't have to go to the post office and
>>>>>> stand in line. I owed this year and it did not cost me anything
>>>>>> extra
>>>>>> to file electronically and I get to choose the date I want the money
>>>>>> taken from my checking account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Saves a stamp, writing a check and is convenient. Done with a couple
>>>>>> of mouse clicks. If you like going to the PO, enjoy the trip.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would you have to go to the post office to mail something?
>>>>> (snip)
>>>>>
>>>> You've never heard of this? People who owe money to the government
>>>> wait
>>>> until the last possible minute to file. Why give them your money
>>>> (which
>>>> they can stick in an account and earn interest on) any sooner than you
>>>> have to? As long as the tax return is postmarked by Midnight, April
>>>> 15th
>>>> you aren't penalized for late filing. Many Post Office branches stay
>>>> open
>>>> until Midnight on 4/15 for this reason.
>>>
>>> But that still wouldn't require a trip to the post office. Even if I
>>> were
>>> to mail it in, I'd just put it in my mail box.
>>>
>>You don't get it. If you put it in your mailbox on April 15th there is
>>*no* guarantee it will be postmarked by Midnight. And if it isn't,
>>you're penalized by the IRS for filing late. If you actually *go* to
>>the post office they can't just leave it sitting in a mail bag until the
>>next business day.
>
> Why not... often they do just leave it until the next day... postal
> workers ain't the swiftest.
>
> There's still no guarantee it'll get post marked on time unless it's
> post marked by hand at the counter... and you still have no proof...
> you won't get a receipt sending by ordinary snail mail. Were I
> cutting it close with snail mail I'd send it registered return
> receipt. Filing electronically is the best way to prove you filed on
> time.

Agreed. I got immediate confirmation and I filed in the middle of the
night.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 04:13:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>Why would you have to go to the post office to mail something? We have a
>>locking mail box here but perhaps you don't have one there? I would still
>>file electronically if I owed though.
>
> Yes, you choose the date to have the funds withdrawn. Given the paltry
> interest in savings, I paid it on 3/1 just to be done with it.
>
>
>> I truly hate having to mail bills in.
>>With the price of postage nowadays, I don't like to use stamps. I do
>>still
>>snail mail cards but I also send less cards than I used to.
>
>
> IMO, the USPS is still one of the best bargains around. Can you take
> a letter across town for less than 50¢? Across the country? If they
> raised the price of a stamp a dime, I'd still not complain. I use a
> half dozen stamp a month at best. My town tax bill and water bill are
> the only payments I can think of that I do by check and mail, the
> occasional greeting card and yes, sometimes a handwritten letter to
> friends. Utilities are on line.

How many people send letters any more? My mom's family did away with their
Round Robin years ago. They all have the Internet. I do have one friend
who does not have the Internet and sometimes has phone issues that she seems
to be clueless about. She also lives in another city and I never know her
works schedule. So twice I've had to mail her a note telling her that her
phone was wacky again. Once I was already sending a seasonal card so it
didn't cost me any more postage.

I just hate having to mail in payments. Husband went to some Dr. in NY and
they would not answer their phone so I never could figure out if I could pay
them over the phone or not. I had to write a measly little check and mail
it all the way over there to take care of it. Most of the places we owe
money to either have online payments or will at least take a payment over
the phone. My daughter's dance studio does not but they will take cash and
I am in there all the time so no big deal.

"Pico Rico" > wrote in message
...
> You think this is the only example of the government working at cross
> purposes?

I'll give you another. Got an e-mail the other night telling me that
Tricare is changing to something else United Healthcare or something like
that on April 1st. And that I needed to change the provider if I was making
automatic payments. I did not know how our payments were being made but
realized that I hadn't ever seen any money taken out of our accounts for
insurance. So I had to call husband. Several times and also made several
e-mails back and forth because he couldn't understand what I was saying. He
just kept saying that it was all automatic. And I was like... I know but
we have to *change* something!

Then I got some snail mail telling me the same thing. Of course this was
after hours and on the weakened. So I figured I'd have to suffer through a
phone call and waiting for a long time on hold to get it all sorted out.
But instead, I tried looking online. Did not get my answer right away. But
did get it after searching for about 2 hours. Turns out that those of us
with Tricare for Life, like we have, have to do nothing. It said the reason
they notified us of this change was a courtesy to us! A courtesy how?
Telling us twice to take some sort of confusing action and then making us
try to figure out what we were supposed to do?

And then in something like 2002, they called a meeting with all of the
military spouses to tell us of exciting changes coming to Tricare. Said
that they would soon make it so that there would be only one region. The
whole United States. This would prevent us from having to pay OOP for
medical when on vacation or making a cross country move. Well... That
never happened. Call a meeting and tell us of something that sounds good
and yet never happens! How many people had to pay for child care for that?
And now it looks like there will be two regions so maybe a tad better but
still not really for those making a cross country move. *sigh*

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:40:28 -0700, "Pico Rico"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Chemo" > wrote in message
...
>>On Mar 12, 3:00 am, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:11:27 -0500, "Polly Esther"
>>>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to
>>> >file
>>> >electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
>>> >electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of
>>> >folks
>>> >down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th.
>>>
>>> The main advantage is, you don't have to go to the post office and
>>> stand in line. I owed this year and it did not cost me anything extra
>>> to file electronically and I get to choose the date I want the money
>>> taken from my checking account.
>>>
>>> Saves a stamp, writing a check and is convenient. Done with a couple
>>> of mouse clicks. If you like going to the PO, enjoy the trip.
>>
>>and I think it was also part of the paper reduction act.
>
> A lotta BS... before the advent of the computer I never got so much
> paper and it's getting to be more by leaps and bounds every day. I
> never needed a shredder before the computer. The computer is what
> enables one to receive reams of junk mail every week. I get almost
> enough junk mail catalogues to burn in a wood stove to heat my house.

Seriously agree! In the old days I did order from catalogs. I kept them
and they fit in a small plastic bin. But these days? In two week's time,
1/2 of my huge recycle bin is catalogs. I immediately recycle them and
never bother to look at them. And I saw on the news that they are urging
companies to put out more catalogs to keep the post office in business!

On 3/12/2013 5:53 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> You don't get it. If you put it in your mailbox on April 15th there is
>> >*no* guarantee it will be postmarked by Midnight. And if it isn't,
>> >you're penalized by the IRS for filing late. If you actually*go* to
>> >the post office they can't just leave it sitting in a mail bag until the
>> >next business day.
> Why not... often they do just leave it until the next day... postal
> workers ain't the swiftest.
>
> There's still no guarantee it'll get post marked on time unless it's
> post marked by hand at the counter... and you still have no proof...
> you won't get a receipt sending by ordinary snail mail. Were I
> cutting it close with snail mail I'd send it registered return
> receipt. Filing electronically is the best way to prove you filed on
> time.

I did leave out the receipt part. I've filed electronically for as long
as it's been an option.

Jill

On Mar 12, 11:45*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:40:28 -0700, "Pico Rico"
> > > wrote:
>
> >>"Chemo" > wrote in message
> ....
> >>On Mar 12, 3:00 am, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:11:27 -0500, "Polly Esther"
>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >Today I had to sign a form at our accountants that I did NOT want to
> >>> >file
> >>> >electronically. We are not receiving a refund. Why would filing
> >>> >electronically benefit me? For the lst time, I'll join the line of
> >>> >folks
> >>> >down at the post office and mail payment on April 15th.
>
> >>> The main advantage is, you don't have to go to the post office and
> >>> stand in line. I owed this year and it did not cost me anything extra
> >>> to file electronically and I get to choose the date I want the money
> >>> taken from my checking account.
>
> >>> Saves a stamp, writing a check and is convenient. Done with a couple
> >>> of mouse clicks. If you like going to the PO, enjoy the trip.
>
> >>and I think it was also part of the paper reduction act.
>
> > A lotta BS... before the advent of the computer I never got so much
> > paper and it's getting to be more by leaps and bounds every day. *I
> > never needed a shredder before the computer. *The computer is what
> > enables one to receive reams of junk mail every week. *I get almost
> > enough junk mail catalogues to burn in a wood stove to heat my house.
>
> Seriously agree! *In the old days I did order from catalogs. *I kept them
> and they fit in a small plastic bin. *But these days? *In two week's time,
> 1/2 of my huge recycle bin is catalogs. *I immediately recycle them and
> never bother to look at them. *And I saw on the news that they are urging
> companies to put out more catalogs to keep the post office in business!

Why not get on the phone, call those 800 numbers, and be removed from
the lists? You'll be saving your time and maybe a tree twig or two.

Oh, sure, I know the old argument about jobs, post office etc. Let's
not get into that.

jmcquown wrote:
>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> If you actually *go* to the post office they can't just leave
>>> it sitting in a mail bag until the next business day.
>>
>> Why not... often they do just leave it until the next day... postal
>> workers ain't the swiftest.
>> There's still no guarantee it'll get post marked on time unless it's
>> post marked by hand at the counter... and you still have no proof...
>> you won't get a receipt sending by ordinary snail mail. Were I
>> cutting it close with snail mail I'd send it registered return
>> receipt. Filing electronically is the best way to prove you filed on
>> time.
>
>I did leave out the receipt part.

If you drop mail at the PO there is no receipt, not unless you pay for
registered return receipt. And then it doesn't get placed with
ordinary mail, registered mail goes as priority mail... years ago that
was called "Special Delivery", there are no more "Air Mail" stamps
either, it's now lumped together as Priority, Express & Air Mail
Stamps.