On 3/1/2013 5:37 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> So now I do try to eat as many raw foods as I can. But I also eat cooked
>> >foods and would consider myself semi-vegetarian. Meaning that most of the
>> >time I do eat a vegetarian diet but I do eat some meat. I can not use the
>> >term vegan or even semi-vegan because true vegans object to that.
>
> True vegans are even crazier than you are. Trust me, you do not want any
> piece of their action. They are seriously ****ed up people and it has
> nothing to do with what they eat.
>
>
ROFL! I've never met a vegan who wasn't a little crazy. They almost
have a cult mentality.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/1/2013 5:37 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> So now I do try to eat as many raw foods as I can. But I also eat
>>> cooked
>>> >foods and would consider myself semi-vegetarian. Meaning that most of
>>> >the
>>> >time I do eat a vegetarian diet but I do eat some meat. I can not use
>>> >the
>>> >term vegan or even semi-vegan because true vegans object to that.
> >
>> True vegans are even crazier than you are. Trust me, you do not want any
>> piece of their action. They are seriously ****ed up people and it has
>> nothing to do with what they eat.
>>
>>
> ROFL! I've never met a vegan who wasn't a little crazy. They almost have
> a cult mentality.
>

It is a true cult. Ask any "true vegan" what they think of a "dietary
vegan." They will revile them and elicit so much hatred you'd think they
want to slit their throats for co-opting the "vegan brand" for "immoral"
purposes.

On 3/1/2013 6:30 AM, John J wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2013 03:02:59 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 3/1/2013 5:37 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>> So now I do try to eat as many raw foods as I can. But I also eat
>>>>> cooked
>>>>>> foods and would consider myself semi-vegetarian. Meaning that most of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> time I do eat a vegetarian diet but I do eat some meat. I can not use
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> term vegan or even semi-vegan because true vegans object to that.
>>>>
>>>> True vegans are even crazier than you are. Trust me, you do not want any
>>>> piece of their action. They are seriously ****ed up people and it has
>>>> nothing to do with what they eat.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ROFL! I've never met a vegan who wasn't a little crazy. They almost have
>>> a cult mentality.
>>>
>>
>> It is a true cult. Ask any "true vegan" what they think of a "dietary
>> vegan." They will revile them and elicit so much hatred you'd think they
>> want to slit their throats for co-opting the "vegan brand" for "immoral"
>> purposes.
>
> A bit like how you talk about vegans.
>
>
I don't know about where Paul lives, but I don't run into vegans on
every street corner. They're easy enough to avoid if you stay out of
the "health food and healing crystals" type places. LOL I also manage
to avoid Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons on bicycles

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> I don't know about where Paul lives, but I don't run into vegans on every
> street corner. They're easy enough to avoid if you stay out of the
> "health food and healing crystals" type places. LOL I also manage to
> avoid Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons on bicycles
>
> Jill

I have met few vegans in real life. Mainly only online. Was in the health
food store that used to be around the corner from here but no longer is.
Guy came in and asked what sort of vegan things he should feed his cat. The
owner of the store kind of freaked and begged him not to put the cat on that
kind of diet. Cats are just not vegans! Yes, they do like some vegetables.
My cats love wheat grass. But they don't so much eat it as chew on it. Had
a cat as a kid who loved green beans. And Maui liked to be walked on her
leash by my garden so she could taste things. She also loved mashed
potatoes.

On 3/1/2013 6:55 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I don't know about where Paul lives, but I don't run into vegans on every
>> street corner. They're easy enough to avoid if you stay out of the
>> "health food and healing crystals" type places. LOL I also manage to
>> avoid Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons on bicycles
>>
>> Jill
>
> I have met few vegans in real life. Mainly only online. Was in the health
> food store that used to be around the corner from here but no longer is.
> Guy came in and asked what sort of vegan things he should feed his cat. The
> owner of the store kind of freaked and begged him not to put the cat on that
> kind of diet. Cats are just not vegans! Yes, they do like some vegetables.
> My cats love wheat grass. But they don't so much eat it as chew on it. Had
> a cat as a kid who loved green beans. And Maui liked to be walked on her
> leash by my garden so she could taste things. She also loved mashed
> potatoes.
>
>
Agreed, don't put cats on that sort of diet! Unless you want to kill
the cat, of course. Cats are generally labelled carnivores but I think
they're omnivores. Ever see a cat (or a dog, for that matter) chewing
on grass? It's not because they're sick. Possibly a vitamin
deficiency. Animals are pretty clever about knowing what they need.

They do need some vegetable matter in their diet. Persia loves wheat
grass and barley grass. She's not so crazy about rye grass. I have a
little planter and grow very small pots of fresh greens for her a few
times a year. Not to be offered in quantity! Even young tender grass
isn't easy for a cat to digest. Still, they crave a little of the green
stuff

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/1/2013 6:55 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I don't know about where Paul lives, but I don't run into vegans on
>>> every
>>> street corner. They're easy enough to avoid if you stay out of the
>>> "health food and healing crystals" type places. LOL I also manage to
>>> avoid Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons on bicycles
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I have met few vegans in real life. Mainly only online. Was in the
>> health
>> food store that used to be around the corner from here but no longer is.
>> Guy came in and asked what sort of vegan things he should feed his cat.
>> The
>> owner of the store kind of freaked and begged him not to put the cat on
>> that
>> kind of diet. Cats are just not vegans! Yes, they do like some
>> vegetables.
>> My cats love wheat grass. But they don't so much eat it as chew on it.
>> Had
>> a cat as a kid who loved green beans. And Maui liked to be walked on her
>> leash by my garden so she could taste things. She also loved mashed
>> potatoes.
>>
>>
> Agreed, don't put cats on that sort of diet! Unless you want to kill the
> cat, of course. Cats are generally labelled carnivores but I think
> they're omnivores. Ever see a cat (or a dog, for that matter) chewing on
> grass? It's not because they're sick. Possibly a vitamin deficiency.
> Animals are pretty clever about knowing what they need.
>
> They do need some vegetable matter in their diet. Persia loves wheat
> grass and barley grass. She's not so crazy about rye grass. I have a
> little planter and grow very small pots of fresh greens for her a few
> times a year. Not to be offered in quantity! Even young tender grass
> isn't easy for a cat to digest. Still, they crave a little of the green
> stuff

Maui would never touch wheat grass but these cats love the stuff! They can
tell when it is in my shopping bag. They tried to eat my house plants too.
That was kind of sad because the pothos came with the house and I was
getting so many cuttings from it I was considering selling them. But I had
to get rid of all but the catcus because some were poisonous to cats. Jazzy
had one and only one brush with the cactus. I think that was enough to cure
her of getting near it! It's actually a bunch of little ones that I raised
from seed.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/1/2013 6:55 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I don't know about where Paul lives, but I don't run into vegans on
>>> every
>>> street corner. They're easy enough to avoid if you stay out of the
>>> "health food and healing crystals" type places. LOL I also manage to
>>> avoid Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons on bicycles
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I have met few vegans in real life. Mainly only online. Was in the
>> health
>> food store that used to be around the corner from here but no longer is.
>> Guy came in and asked what sort of vegan things he should feed his cat.
>> The
>> owner of the store kind of freaked and begged him not to put the cat on
>> that
>> kind of diet. Cats are just not vegans! Yes, they do like some
>> vegetables.
>> My cats love wheat grass. But they don't so much eat it as chew on it.
>> Had
>> a cat as a kid who loved green beans. And Maui liked to be walked on her
>> leash by my garden so she could taste things. She also loved mashed
>> potatoes.
>>
>>
> Agreed, don't put cats on that sort of diet! Unless you want to kill the
> cat, of course. Cats are generally labelled carnivores but I think
> they're omnivores. Ever see a cat (or a dog, for that matter) chewing on
> grass? It's not because they're sick. Possibly a vitamin deficiency.
> Animals are pretty clever about knowing what they need.
>
> They do need some vegetable matter in their diet. Persia loves wheat
> grass and barley grass. She's not so crazy about rye grass. I have a
> little planter and grow very small pots of fresh greens for her a few
> times a year. Not to be offered in quantity! Even young tender grass
> isn't easy for a cat to digest. Still, they crave a little of the green

Cats are true carnivores. They eat grass to extract what they don't
otherwise get naturally in the stomachs of mice and other rodents -
chlorophyll from grass. It's a vital nutrient for cats. House cats not
eating their natural food as in mice swallowed whole would die were it not
for human science understanding their very complicated physiology.

"John J" > wrote in message
news
> On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 06:45:59 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 3/1/2013 6:30 AM, John J wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2013 03:02:59 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 3/1/2013 5:37 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>>>> So now I do try to eat as many raw foods as I can. But I also eat
>>>>>>> cooked
>>>>>>>> foods and would consider myself semi-vegetarian. Meaning that most
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> time I do eat a vegetarian diet but I do eat some meat. I can not
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> term vegan or even semi-vegan because true vegans object to that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True vegans are even crazier than you are. Trust me, you do not want
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> piece of their action. They are seriously ****ed up people and it
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> nothing to do with what they eat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> ROFL! I've never met a vegan who wasn't a little crazy. They almost
>>>>> have
>>>>> a cult mentality.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is a true cult. Ask any "true vegan" what they think of a "dietary
>>>> vegan." They will revile them and elicit so much hatred you'd think
>>>> they
>>>> want to slit their throats for co-opting the "vegan brand" for
>>>> "immoral"
>>>> purposes.
>>>
>>> A bit like how you talk about vegans.
>>>
>>>
>>I don't know about where Paul lives, but I don't run into vegans on
>>every street corner. They're easy enough to avoid if you stay out of
>>the "health food and healing crystals" type places. LOL I also manage
>>to avoid Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons on bicycles
>
> I don't know any vegans, but if their main motivation is animal
> welfare, then I think they have a point. Jews and muslims have wacky
> food rules too, and for much stranger reasons.
>

Their main motivation is not animal welfare. Their main motivation is
intensely self centered and is a deeply rooted psychosis manifesting itself
as animal welfare. Trust me if you knew some you'd not like them. They are
seriously messed up people. And they actually make animal rights activism
much harder, not easier.

On 01/03/2013 3:58 PM, John J wrote:

>>
>> Their main motivation is not animal welfare. Their main motivation is
>> intensely self centered and is a deeply rooted psychosis manifesting itself
>> as animal welfare. Trust me if you knew some you'd not like them. They are
>> seriously messed up people. And they actually make animal rights activism
>> much harder, not easier.
>
> I can believe there's a high percentage of neurotics amongst them.
>


Sadly, it sounds like my vegetarian nephew and his wife. As I understand
it, he was not vegetarian when they met but gave up met to please her,
and there was a time when she was really good looking, so I can
appreciate the pussy whipped aspect of it to some degree. They claim
that they are vegetarians because it is cruel to eat animals. They also
claim that it is healthier..... though.. the both smoke cigarettes and
pot, and they drink quite a bit.


Being animal lovers, they had to get a puppy. It's not nice to keep a
puppy restrained on a leash so they let it run free... in the city. When
it was young it was less than 6 months old it was hit by a car. They
should have had the pup put down but, being animal lovers, they spent a
fortune on it. As a result of the being hit, the dog lost one front lake
and had trouble with the other front lake. He was half lab and half
shepherd, so a good sized dog. He always had trouble walking. As he got
older he developed arthritis.

The last few times I saw that dog he was obviously in pain. Nope. Can't
do that.. it's cruel to kill. Well, screw that. I have had dogs most of
my life, usually two at a time. I have had cats, rats, gerbils and many
other types of animal pets. I have worked with a wide variety of
animals. I like animals. I hate to see them in pain. I have had a
number of animals put down because life had become too painful for them.
Don't lay some moral superiority bullshit on me over making dogs
suffer. IMO, that is more cruel than euthanasia.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> They claim
> that they are vegetarians because it is cruel to eat animals. They also
> claim that it is healthier..... though.. the both smoke cigarettes and
> pot, and they drink quite a bit.

heheh


> Being animal lovers, they had to get a puppy. It's not nice to keep a
> puppy restrained on a leash so they let it run free... in the city. When
> it was young it was less than 6 months old it was hit by a car. They
> should have had the pup put down but, being animal lovers, they spent a
> fortune on it. As a result of the being hit, the dog lost one front lake
> and had trouble with the other front lake.

It's very sad to see dogs with injured front lakes.

> The last few times I saw that dog he was obviously in pain. Nope. Can't
> do that.. it's cruel to kill. Well, screw that. I have had dogs most of
> my life, usually two at a time. I have had cats, rats, gerbils and many
> other types of animal pets. I have worked with a wide variety of
> animals. I like animals. I hate to see them in pain. I have had a
> number of animals put down because life had become too painful for them.
> Don't lay some moral superiority bullshit on me over making dogs
> suffer. IMO, that is more cruel than euthanasia.

While I agree with you, Dave, putting down a beloved pet is a very hard
call. While there is life, there is still hope? I made that mistake twice
with pet ferrets and after the fact, I know I should have had them
euthanized but each time, just when I thought they were going to die, they
perked up, started eating again, etc. But each time it was only temporary
and both died in my arms, both late on a Saturday night (three years
apart). What a horrible thing to experience... certainly for them but even
for me.

To this day, I can picture their last gasp while I was holding them. And
then they were gone. Both times, I continued to hold them for a long while
anyway....talking to them in case their spirit was still in the body.

As far as the euthanasia, I agree it's the best thing to do in the final
days. Problem is that you never really know if it seriously IS the final
days. What if they get better? You love them so much, it's not easy to
give up hope.

arrrgghh!

G.

On 01/03/2013 6:00 PM, Gary wrote:

> While I agree with you, Dave, putting down a beloved pet is a very hard
> call. While there is life, there is still hope? I made that mistake twice
> with pet ferrets and after the fact, I know I should have had them
> euthanized but each time, just when I thought they were going to die, they
> perked up, started eating again, etc. But each time it was only temporary
> and both died in my arms, both late on a Saturday night (three years
> apart). What a horrible thing to experience... certainly for them but even
> for me.
>
> To this day, I can picture their last gasp while I was holding them. And
> then they were gone. Both times, I continued to hold them for a long while
> anyway....talking to them in case their spirit was still in the body.
>
> As far as the euthanasia, I agree it's the best thing to do in the final
> days. Problem is that you never really know if it seriously IS the final
> days. What if they get better? You love them so much, it's not easy to
> give up hope.


I have spent too many hours at deathbed vigils waiting for loved ones to
be released from horrible pain. I always thought it was so cruel to make
them endure the suffering just to ease our guilt. Most of us would not
make a pet suffer until the very end.

On 3/1/2013 10:12 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 18:00:46 -0500, Gary wrote:
>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Being animal lovers, they had to get a puppy. It's not nice to keep a
>>> puppy restrained on a leash so they let it run free... in the city. When
>>> it was young it was less than 6 months old it was hit by a car. They
>>> should have had the pup put down but, being animal lovers, they spent a
>>> fortune on it. As a result of the being hit, the dog lost one front lake
>>> and had trouble with the other front lake.
>>
>> It's very sad to see dogs with injured front lakes.
>
> You would think they would just fall over face first and drown.
>
> How do you misspell that word so badly - not once, but twice?
>
Voice-to-text software?
I've noticed quite a few odd spellings which could be the result of that
sort of software.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/1/2013 5:37 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:

>> True vegans are even crazier than you are. Trust me, you do not want any
>> piece of their action. They are seriously ****ed up people and it has
>> nothing to do with what they eat.
>>
>>
> ROFL! I've never met a vegan who wasn't a little crazy. They almost have
> a cult mentality.
>
> Jill


Totally.

Cheri