christa visser-lane wrote:
>
> What is the best juice to drink (lowest calories)

I like Ocean Spray Diet Cranberry. It's a processed food product but it
tastes great and it's low in carbs and calories.

On 07/02/2012 2:17 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> christa visser-lane wrote:
>>
>> What is the best juice to drink (lowest calories)
>
> I like Ocean Spray Diet Cranberry. It's a processed food product but it
> tastes great and it's low in carbs and calories.



FWIW, when I got the dietary information in cardiac rehab it
recommended that I eat lots of fruit... not coconut, and not juice.
Juice is usually loaded with sugar and cranberry, being naturally sour,
tends to have a lot of sugar.

On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:45:55 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 07/02/2012 2:17 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>> christa visser-lane wrote:
>>>
>>> What is the best juice to drink (lowest calories)
>>
>> I like Ocean Spray Diet Cranberry. It's a processed food product but it
>> tastes great and it's low in carbs and calories.
>
>
>
>FWIW, when I got the dietary information in cardiac rehab it
>recommended that I eat lots of fruit... not coconut, and not juice.
>Juice is usually loaded with sugar and cranberry, being naturally sour,
>tends to have a lot of sugar.

Most fresh fruit is loaded with sugar too. I eat several pieces of
fresh fruit every day, but I find drinking plain water all the time
boring, so I alternate with flavored seltza (no calories/salt).

On 2/7/2012 2:17 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:

> christa visser-lane wrote:
>>
>> What is the best juice to drink (lowest calories)
>
> I like Ocean Spray Diet Cranberry. It's a processed food product but it
> tastes great and it's low in carbs and calories.


I still have to mix diet cranberry with light cranberry to get the taste
I want. Also use Ocean Spray. I mix it 50:50.

On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:03:00 -0500, Cheryl >
wrote:

> On 2/7/2012 2:17 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
> > christa visser-lane wrote:
> >>
> >> What is the best juice to drink (lowest calories)
> >
> > I like Ocean Spray Diet Cranberry. It's a processed food product but it
> > tastes great and it's low in carbs and calories.
>
>
> I still have to mix diet cranberry with light cranberry to get the taste
> I want. Also use Ocean Spray. I mix it 50:50.

I bought a different brand for the first time today, I was too turned
off by cranberry being way down the long list of ingredients that all
began with apple juice on everything I looked at. This one is
basically water, sugar and concentrated cranberry juice. Haven't
opened it yet, so I still don't know what it tastes like.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Feb 7, 3:45*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> On 07/02/2012 2:17 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
> > christa visser-lane wrote:
>
> >> What is the best juice to drink (lowest calories)
>
> > I like Ocean Spray Diet Cranberry. *It's a processed food product but it
> > tastes great and it's low in carbs and calories.
>
> FWIW, when I got the *dietary information in cardiac rehab it
> recommended that I eat lots of fruit... not coconut, and not juice.
> Juice is usually loaded with sugar and cranberry, being naturally sour,
> tends to have a lot of sugar.

The dietary advice they give is tailored for the profoundly stupid. I
bet most cardiologists don't even know the difference between palm oil
and palm kernel oil. You can rely on advice that assumes you are a
simpleton, or you could do the research yourself. The cardiac
community was more than 20 years behind the science when it came to
trans fats. They were still telling patients to prefer trans fat
margarine over butter into the 1990s. Anyone who believes that 130
calories from a cup of cranberry juice cocktail is more unhealthy than
200 calories from 3 dates is full of shit.

--Bryan

On Feb 8, 6:34*am, Bryan > wrote:
> On Feb 7, 3:45*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
> > On 07/02/2012 2:17 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
> > > christa visser-lane wrote:
>
> > >> What is the best juice to drink (lowest calories)
>
> > > I like Ocean Spray Diet Cranberry. *It's a processed food product but it
> > > tastes great and it's low in carbs and calories.
>
> > FWIW, when I got the *dietary information in cardiac rehab it
> > recommended that I eat lots of fruit... not coconut, and not juice.
> > Juice is usually loaded with sugar and cranberry, being naturally sour,
> > tends to have a lot of sugar.
>
> The dietary advice they give is tailored for the profoundly stupid. *I
> bet most cardiologists don't even know the difference between palm oil
> and palm kernel oil.
....

Could not make it to the third sentence before you started obsessing,
eh?

Yeah Bryan, most cardiologists are dumber than a box of rocks. That's
why they are cardiologists!! YOU should perform CABG surgeries!! After
all, you know the minutia of the fatty acid breakdown in commonly and
uncommonly consumed oils!! I'm sure you could suture a couple of
sections of saphenous veins in place of blocked coronary arteries!!
(Just make sure you put 'em in the correct direction!)

John Kuthe...

On 2/8/12 9:01 AM, John Kuthe wrote:

>
> Yeah Bryan, most cardiologists are dumber than a box of rocks. That's
> why they are cardiologists!! YOU should perform CABG surgeries!! After
> all, you know the minutia of the fatty acid breakdown in commonly and
> uncommonly consumed oils!! I'm sure you could suture a couple of
> sections of saphenous veins in place of blocked coronary arteries!!
> (Just make sure you put 'em in the correct direction!)
>
> John Kuthe...

Cardiologists don't perform CABG's. Cardiothoracic Surgeons do though.

On Feb 8, 8:01*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Feb 8, 6:34*am, Bryan > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 3:45*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
> > > On 07/02/2012 2:17 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
> > > > christa visser-lane wrote:
>
> > > >> What is the best juice to drink (lowest calories)
>
> > > > I like Ocean Spray Diet Cranberry. *It's a processed food product but it
> > > > tastes great and it's low in carbs and calories.
>
> > > FWIW, when I got the *dietary information in cardiac rehab it
> > > recommended that I eat lots of fruit... not coconut, and not juice.
> > > Juice is usually loaded with sugar and cranberry, being naturally sour,
> > > tends to have a lot of sugar.
>
> > The dietary advice they give is tailored for the profoundly stupid. *I
> > bet most cardiologists don't even know the difference between palm oil
> > and palm kernel oil.
>
> ...
>
> Could not make it to the third sentence before you started obsessing,
> eh?
>
> Yeah Bryan, most cardiologists are dumber than a box of rocks. That's
> why they are cardiologists!! YOU should perform CABG surgeries!! After
> all, you know the minutia of the fatty acid breakdown in commonly and
> uncommonly consumed oils!! I'm sure you could suture a couple of
> sections of saphenous veins in place of blocked coronary arteries!!
> (Just make sure you put 'em in the correct direction!)

Most cardiologists assume that YOU "are dumber than a box of rocks."
For decades, most cardiologists rejected Dr. Atkins (also a
cardiologist) ideas. You like to throw around medical terms to show
off your apparently useless education. How often have I seen folks
post about the absurdly over-simplified dietary advice they get from
cardiologists' offices? It's almost like they're shooting for job
security. The nutrition info on foods is also made for simpletons.
It does not distinguish between GOOD saturated fats, and BAD saturated
fats. It gives zero info as to the type of polyunsaturated fats. It
lumps GOOD trans fat in with the WORST fat, under a single category,
"trans fat." And while you question my competency in matters medical,
you are the one who has been rejected by the entire medical community,
though to be fair, Billy Zoom's speculation that it might have more to
do with your personality flaws than your medical competence seems most
likely.
>
> John Kuthe...

--Bryan

John Kuthe > wrote:

>On Feb 8, 6:34*am, Bryan > wrote:
>> On Feb 7, 3:45*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
>>
>> > On 07/02/2012 2:17 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>>
>> > > christa visser-lane wrote:
>>
>> > >> What is the best juice to drink (lowest calories)
>>
>> > > I like Ocean Spray Diet Cranberry. *It's a processed food product but it
>> > > tastes great and it's low in carbs and calories.
>>
>> > FWIW, when I got the *dietary information in cardiac rehab it
>> > recommended that I eat lots of fruit... not coconut, and not juice.
>> > Juice is usually loaded with sugar and cranberry, being naturally sour,
>> > tends to have a lot of sugar.
>>
>> The dietary advice they give is tailored for the profoundly stupid. *I
>> bet most cardiologists don't even know the difference between palm oil
>> and palm kernel oil.
>...
>
>Could not make it to the third sentence before you started obsessing,
>eh?
>
>Yeah Bryan, most cardiologists are dumber than a box of rocks. That's
>why they are cardiologists!! YOU should perform CABG surgeries!! After
>all, you know the minutia of the fatty acid breakdown in commonly and
>uncommonly consumed oils!! I'm sure you could suture a couple of
>sections of saphenous veins in place of blocked coronary arteries!!
>(Just make sure you put 'em in the correct direction!)
>
>John Kuthe...

Bwrrryan's beverage of choice is a fat free Semen Slurpy.

On Feb 7, 1:17*pm, Doug Freyburger > wrote:
> christa visser-lane wrote:
>
> > What is the best juice to drink (lowest calories)
>
> I like Ocean Spray Diet Cranberry. *It's a processed food product but it
> tastes great and it's low in carbs and calories.

I like Ocean Spray diet sparkling drinks - skinny cans, 4 to a pack,
10 calories each. It comes in Pomegranite/Berry and also in
Cranberry.

N.

On Feb 8, 8:42*am, Bryan > wrote:
> On Feb 8, 8:01*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 8, 6:34*am, Bryan > wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 7, 3:45*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
> > > > On 07/02/2012 2:17 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
> > > > > christa visser-lane wrote:
>
> > > > >> What is the best juice to drink (lowest calories)
>
> > > > > I like Ocean Spray Diet Cranberry. *It's a processed food product but it
> > > > > tastes great and it's low in carbs and calories.
>
> > > > FWIW, when I got the *dietary information in cardiac rehab it
> > > > recommended that I eat lots of fruit... not coconut, and not juice.
> > > > Juice is usually loaded with sugar and cranberry, being naturally sour,
> > > > tends to have a lot of sugar.
>
> > > The dietary advice they give is tailored for the profoundly stupid. *I
> > > bet most cardiologists don't even know the difference between palm oil
> > > and palm kernel oil.
>
> > ...
>
> > Could not make it to the third sentence before you started obsessing,
> > eh?
>
> > Yeah Bryan, most cardiologists are dumber than a box of rocks. That's
> > why they are cardiologists!! YOU should perform CABG surgeries!! After
> > all, you know the minutia of the fatty acid breakdown in commonly and
> > uncommonly consumed oils!! I'm sure you could suture a couple of
> > sections of saphenous veins in place of blocked coronary arteries!!
> > (Just make sure you put 'em in the correct direction!)
>
> Most cardiologists assume that YOU "are dumber than a box of rocks."
> For decades, most cardiologists rejected Dr. Atkins (also a
> cardiologist) ideas. *You like to throw around medical terms to show
> off your apparently useless education. *How often have I seen folks
> post about the absurdly over-simplified dietary advice they get from
> cardiologists' offices? *It's almost like they're shooting for job
> security. *The nutrition info on foods is also made for simpletons.
> It does not distinguish between GOOD saturated fats, and BAD saturated
> fats. *It gives zero info as to the type of polyunsaturated fats. *It
> lumps GOOD trans fat in with the WORST fat, under a single category,
> "trans fat." *And while you question my competency in matters medical,
> you are the one who has been rejected by the entire medical community,
> though to be fair, Billy Zoom's speculation that it might have more to
> do with your personality flaws than your medical competence seems most
> likely.
>
>
>
> > John Kuthe...
>
> --Bryan

Getting rather touchy about your obsessions? ;-)

John Kuthe...

On Feb 8, 9:57*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Feb 8, 8:42*am, Bryan > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 8, 8:01*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 8, 6:34*am, Bryan > wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 7, 3:45*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
> > > > > On 07/02/2012 2:17 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
> > > > > > christa visser-lane wrote:
>
> > > > > >> What is the best juice to drink (lowest calories)
>
> > > > > > I like Ocean Spray Diet Cranberry. *It's a processed food product but it
> > > > > > tastes great and it's low in carbs and calories.
>
> > > > > FWIW, when I got the *dietary information in cardiac rehab it
> > > > > recommended that I eat lots of fruit... not coconut, and not juice.
> > > > > Juice is usually loaded with sugar and cranberry, being naturally sour,
> > > > > tends to have a lot of sugar.
>
> > > > The dietary advice they give is tailored for the profoundly stupid. *I
> > > > bet most cardiologists don't even know the difference between palm oil
> > > > and palm kernel oil.
>
> > > ...
>
> > > Could not make it to the third sentence before you started obsessing,
> > > eh?
>
> > > Yeah Bryan, most cardiologists are dumber than a box of rocks. That's
> > > why they are cardiologists!! YOU should perform CABG surgeries!! After
> > > all, you know the minutia of the fatty acid breakdown in commonly and
> > > uncommonly consumed oils!! I'm sure you could suture a couple of
> > > sections of saphenous veins in place of blocked coronary arteries!!
> > > (Just make sure you put 'em in the correct direction!)
>
> > Most cardiologists assume that YOU "are dumber than a box of rocks."
> > For decades, most cardiologists rejected Dr. Atkins (also a
> > cardiologist) ideas. *You like to throw around medical terms to show
> > off your apparently useless education. *How often have I seen folks
> > post about the absurdly over-simplified dietary advice they get from
> > cardiologists' offices? *It's almost like they're shooting for job
> > security. *The nutrition info on foods is also made for simpletons.
> > It does not distinguish between GOOD saturated fats, and BAD saturated
> > fats. *It gives zero info as to the type of polyunsaturated fats. *It
> > lumps GOOD trans fat in with the WORST fat, under a single category,
> > "trans fat." *And while you question my competency in matters medical,
> > you are the one who has been rejected by the entire medical community,
> > though to be fair, Billy Zoom's speculation that it might have more to
> > do with your personality flaws than your medical competence seems most
> > likely.
>
> > > John Kuthe...
>
> > --Bryan
>
> Getting rather touchy about your obsessions? ;-)

You're the one who is obsessed. You respond to nearly every one of my
posts that has anything to do with lipids.
>
> John Kuthe...

--Bryan

On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:34:30 -0800 (PST), Bryan
> wrote:

>On Feb 8, 9:57*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
>> Getting rather touchy about your obsessions? ;-)
>
>You're the one who is obsessed. You respond to nearly every one of my
>posts that has anything to do with lipids.

You don't post about much else.

On Feb 8, 11:11*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:34:30 -0800 (PST), Bryan
>
> > wrote:
> >On Feb 8, 9:57*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
> >> Getting rather touchy about your obsessions? ;-)
>
> >You're the one who is obsessed. *You respond to nearly every one of my
> >posts that has anything to do with lipids.
>
> You don't post about much else.

Sheldon, you're scaring me! We are agreeing again! ;-)

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe wrote:
>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Bryan wrote:
>> >John Kuthe wrote:
>> >> Getting rather touchy about your obsessions? ;-)
>>
>> >You're the one who is obsessed. *You respond to nearly every one of my
>> >posts that has anything to do with lipids.
>>
>> You don't post about much else.
>
>Sheldon, you're scaring me! We are agreeing again! ;-)

Bwrrryan is obsessed with fats because he's such a tubby, as soft and
fluffy as a tub of Crisco... that's why he hates Crisco... every time
he looks in the mirror he sees a tub of Crisco! LOL

On Feb 8, 2:09*pm, Doug Freyburger > wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
> > Doug Freyburger wrote:
> >> christa visser-lane wrote:
>
> >>> What is the best juice to drink (lowest calories)
>
> >> I like Ocean Spray Diet Cranberry. *It's a processed food product but it
> >> tastes great and it's low in carbs and calories.
>
> > Juice is usually loaded with sugar and cranberry, being naturally sour,
> > tends to have a lot of sugar.
>
> Which is exactly why the Diet is so cool. *It's processed to remove the
> sugar and then they add a drop of concentrated Splenda to cut the sour.
> In the end it comes out a bit more dilute than Ocean Sray Cranberry
> regular which has a ton of added sugar but it's far lower in carbs and
> calories than even straight cranberry juice. *Much what folks would want
> in a Diet juice product.

I like it too. Hey, do you--or others here--use supplements?

--Bryan

On Feb 8, 2:53*pm, Bryan > wrote:
> On Feb 8, 2:09*pm, Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> > > Doug Freyburger wrote:
> > >> christa visser-lane wrote:
>
> > >>> What is the best juice to drink (lowest calories)
>
> > >> I like Ocean Spray Diet Cranberry. *It's a processed food product but it
> > >> tastes great and it's low in carbs and calories.
>
> > > Juice is usually loaded with sugar and cranberry, being naturally sour,
> > > tends to have a lot of sugar.
>
> > Which is exactly why the Diet is so cool. *It's processed to remove the
> > sugar and then they add a drop of concentrated Splenda to cut the sour.
> > In the end it comes out a bit more dilute than Ocean Sray Cranberry
> > regular which has a ton of added sugar but it's far lower in carbs and
> > calories than even straight cranberry juice. *Much what folks would want
> > in a Diet juice product.
>
> I like it too. *Hey, do you--or others here--use supplements?
>
> --Bryan

Andy uses supplements, a multivitamin every day! ;-)

Me, I just eat real food.

John Kuthe...

On 08/02/2012 3:09 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>>> christa visser-lane wrote:
>>
>>>> What is the best juice to drink (lowest calories)
>>
>>> I like Ocean Spray Diet Cranberry. It's a processed food product but it
>>> tastes great and it's low in carbs and calories.
>>
>> Juice is usually loaded with sugar and cranberry, being naturally sour,
>> tends to have a lot of sugar.
>
> Which is exactly why the Diet is so cool. It's processed to remove the
> sugar and then they add a drop of concentrated Splenda to cut the sour.
> In the end it comes out a bit more dilute than Ocean Sray Cranberry
> regular which has a ton of added sugar but it's far lower in carbs and
> calories than even straight cranberry juice. Much what folks would want
> in a Diet juice product.

I have had diet cranberry juice and was not impressed. It had that
nasty artificial sweetener after taste. I have tried the plain
cranberry juice too. Holy cow!!! Nasty,nasty stuff straight. No is no
wonder they add so much sugar to it.

On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:54:51 -0800, sf > wrote:

>
> Haven't opened it yet, so I still don't know what it tastes like.

Tried it today and it's very good. I'll buy that one again. The
brand is Langers. I never drink juice straight and this one tastes
good even when mixed with water 50-50.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Feb 7, 4:45*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:

> FWIW, when I got the *dietary information in cardiac rehab it
> recommended that I eat lots of fruit... not coconut, and not juice.
> Juice is usually loaded with sugar and cranberry, being naturally sour,
> tends to have a lot of sugar.


Juice is better than nothing, but you're right, it's a lot of
wasted calories. I think the lowest-calorie juice is grapefruit. I
tried the real cranberry once and actually liked it. Not saying I'd
want to sit around all day sipping it, but it had a nice tang and and
after taste to it.

But what really drew me in was not the subject of juice itself,
but more another subject hidden behind the juice topic, which is that
I notice a lot of food choices people make (and other choices beyond
food as well), are determined by how much time they have, which is
becoming less and less for more people as they enslave themselves more
and more each day to the grinding slavery of work. "Gimme the juice,
I aint got time for a real piece of fruit." They do the same with a
lot of electronic gismos designed to make life easier and speedier -
but in the end, all the speed they're getting in this and that serves
only to give them more time to work, and that's about it. And on the
weekend, instead of driving their cars to work, they get to park them
outside where they live - oh yeah baby, aint that the luxury. Faster
faster faster for everything to get more time to work. I'm not being
sarcastic, I think a lot of foods - sandwiches and juices and
smoothies and the like - are made almost exclusively for saving time -
and I believe even more that the time saved results only in more time
worked.

I'm a slave too, but I like my chain long and loose,
TJ

Tommy Joe > wrote:
> On Feb 7, 4:45 pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> FWIW, when I got the dietary information in cardiac rehab it
>> recommended that I eat lots of fruit... not coconut, and not juice.
>> Juice is usually loaded with sugar and cranberry, being naturally sour,
>> tends to have a lot of sugar.
>
>
> Juice is better than nothing, but you're right, it's a lot of
> wasted calories. I think the lowest-calorie juice is grapefruit. I
> tried the real cranberry once and actually liked it. Not saying I'd
> want to sit around all day sipping it, but it had a nice tang and and
> after taste to it.
>
> But what really drew me in was not the subject of juice itself,
> but more another subject hidden behind the juice topic, which is that
> I notice a lot of food choices people make (and other choices beyond
> food as well), are determined by how much time they have, which is
> becoming less and less for more people as they enslave themselves more
> and more each day to the grinding slavery of work. "Gimme the juice,
> I aint got time for a real piece of fruit." They do the same with a
> lot of electronic gismos designed to make life easier and speedier -
> but in the end, all the speed they're getting in this and that serves
> only to give them more time to work, and that's about it. And on the
> weekend, instead of driving their cars to work, they get to park them
> outside where they live - oh yeah baby, aint that the luxury. Faster
> faster faster for everything to get more time to work. I'm not being
> sarcastic, I think a lot of foods - sandwiches and juices and
> smoothies and the like - are made almost exclusively for saving time -
> and I believe even more that the time saved results only in more time
> worked.
>
> I'm a slave too, but I like my chain long and loose,
> TJ

I used to make a diet drink starting about 25 years ago. I have been buying
some of those liquid meals, where you substitute a meal for a drink.
It's simple to buy store bought, but they don't have enough calories or
balance.
I got the recipe somewhere. Balanced carb, protein, fat. 300 calories. For
flavor uses half banana, or strawberries or other fruit, fresh squeezed
orange juice.
Some other ingredients include, raw egg, wheat germ, jell packs, grains.
Nothing heated. All nutrition.

Greg

On Mar 2, 10:25*pm, gregz > wrote:

>
> I used to make a diet drink starting about 25 years ago. I have been buying
> some of those liquid meals, where you substitute a meal for a drink.
> It's simple to buy store bought, but they don't have enough calories or
> balance.
> I got the recipe somewhere. Balanced carb, protein, fat. 300 calories. For
> flavor uses half banana, or strawberries or other fruit, fresh squeezed
> orange juice.
> Some other ingredients include, raw egg, wheat germ, jell packs, grains.
> Nothing heated. All nutrition.


I used to do the same thing. But it's funny, they often advertise
such nutritional drinks as aids to losing weight. But it comes with a
risk many don't consider ahead of time. Some fatsos will buy such
drinks to lose weight and wind up gaining even more weight because the
drinks does not satisfy the munchy aspect of eating. So they wind up
unwittingly using the drinks as snacks between their usual meals and
wind up gaining weight, not losing it. Not saying this applies to you
or to all, but that it does happen and I think it's funny in an ironic
way. For making a smoothy of your own creation, I think pineapple
juice is a great choice. It really goes well with the banana and
other things one might toss in. Another good idea for making a meal
of it is to use plain yogurt. Even ice cream can be used. But plain
yogurt is good in there with the pineapple and banana and whatever
else is thrown in.

TJ

Tommy Joe > wrote:
> On Mar 2, 10:25 pm, gregz > wrote:
>
>>
>> I used to make a diet drink starting about 25 years ago. I have been buying
>> some of those liquid meals, where you substitute a meal for a drink.
>> It's simple to buy store bought, but they don't have enough calories or
>> balance.
>> I got the recipe somewhere. Balanced carb, protein, fat. 300 calories. For
>> flavor uses half banana, or strawberries or other fruit, fresh squeezed
>> orange juice.
>> Some other ingredients include, raw egg, wheat germ, jell packs, grains.
>> Nothing heated. All nutrition.
>
>
> I used to do the same thing. But it's funny, they often advertise
> such nutritional drinks as aids to losing weight. But it comes with a
> risk many don't consider ahead of time. Some fatsos will buy such
> drinks to lose weight and wind up gaining even more weight because the
> drinks does not satisfy the munchy aspect of eating. So they wind up
> unwittingly using the drinks as snacks between their usual meals and
> wind up gaining weight, not losing it. Not saying this applies to you
> or to all, but that it does happen and I think it's funny in an ironic
> way. For making a smoothy of your own creation, I think pineapple
> juice is a great choice. It really goes well with the banana and
> other things one might toss in. Another good idea for making a meal
> of it is to use plain yogurt. Even ice cream can be used. But plain
> yogurt is good in there with the pineapple and banana and whatever
> else is thrown in.
>
> TJ

Now I want to pig out on ice cream with bananas and pineapple, with whipped
cream.

One other ingredient in my mix is dried nonfat milk. I didn't invent it. It
was in a book I bought.

Greg

On Mar 4, 2:59*pm, gregz > wrote:
> Tommy Joe > wrote:
> > On Mar 2, 10:25 pm, gregz > wrote:
>
> >> I used to make a diet drink starting about 25 years ago. I have been buying
> >> some of those liquid meals, where you substitute a meal for a drink.
> >> It's simple to buy store bought, but they don't have enough calories or
> >> balance.
> >> I got the recipe somewhere. Balanced carb, protein, fat. 300 calories. For
> >> flavor uses half banana, or strawberries or other fruit, fresh squeezed
> >> orange juice.
> >> Some other ingredients include, raw egg, wheat germ, jell packs, grains.
> >> Nothing heated. All nutrition.
>
> > * * I used to do the same thing. *But it's funny, they often advertise
> > such nutritional drinks as aids to losing weight. *But it comes with a
> > risk many don't consider ahead of time. *Some fatsos will buy such
> > drinks to lose weight and wind up gaining even more weight because the
> > drinks does not satisfy the munchy aspect of eating. *So they wind up
> > unwittingly using the drinks as snacks between their usual meals and
> > wind up gaining weight, not losing it. *Not saying this applies to you
> > or to all, but that it does happen and I think it's funny in an ironic
> > way. *For making a smoothy of your own creation, I think pineapple
> > juice is a great choice. *It really goes well with the banana and
> > other things one might toss in. *Another good idea for making a meal
> > of it is to use plain yogurt. *Even ice cream can be used. *But plain
> > yogurt is good in there with the pineapple and banana and whatever
> > else is thrown in.
>
> > TJ
>
> Now I want to pig out on ice cream with bananas and pineapple, with whipped
> cream.
>
> One other ingredient in my mix is dried nonfat milk. I didn't invent it. It
> was in a book I bought.

The idea that bananas, pineapple juice and dried nonfat milk are good
for weight loss is the height of stupidity. It's no wonder people
have a hard time losing weight. Those are three of the VERY worst.
>
> Greg

--Bryan

Bryan wrote:

>The idea that bananas, pineapple juice and dried nonfat milk are good
>for weight loss is the height of stupidity. It's no wonder people
>have a hard time losing weight. Those are three of the VERY worst.

Hmmm.... Bananas are pretty sugary compared to other fruit, so I can
see that one. And juices are caloric in all but the smallest
quantities. But skim milk? No carbs and no fat! How can that work
against weight loss?

On Mar 4, 6:42*pm, George M. Middius > wrote:
> Bryan wrote:
> >The idea that bananas, pineapple juice and dried nonfat milk are good
> >for weight loss is the height of stupidity. *It's no wonder people
> >have a hard time losing weight. *Those are three of the VERY worst.
>
> Hmmm.... Bananas are pretty sugary compared to other fruit, so I can
> see that one. And juices are caloric in all but the smallest
> quantities. But skim milk? No carbs and no fat! How can that work
> against weight loss?

Skim milk is very high in carbs. I cut up a pineapple about a half
hour ago for my skinny wife and son, but I wasn't tempted to even
taste it. Oh, check your mail.

--Bryan

On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 16:09:26 -0800 (PST), Bryan
> wrote:

>On Mar 4, 2:59*pm, gregz > wrote:
>> Tommy Joe > wrote:
>> > On Mar 2, 10:25 pm, gregz > wrote:
>>
>> >> I used to make a diet drink starting about 25 years ago. I have been buying
>> >> some of those liquid meals, where you substitute a meal for a drink.
>> >> It's simple to buy store bought, but they don't have enough calories or
>> >> balance.
>> >> I got the recipe somewhere. Balanced carb, protein, fat. 300 calories. For
>> >> flavor uses half banana, or strawberries or other fruit, fresh squeezed
>> >> orange juice.
>> >> Some other ingredients include, raw egg, wheat germ, jell packs, grains.
>> >> Nothing heated. All nutrition.
>>
>> > * * I used to do the same thing. *But it's funny, they often advertise
>> > such nutritional drinks as aids to losing weight. *But it comes with a
>> > risk many don't consider ahead of time. *Some fatsos will buy such
>> > drinks to lose weight and wind up gaining even more weight because the
>> > drinks does not satisfy the munchy aspect of eating. *So they wind up
>> > unwittingly using the drinks as snacks between their usual meals and
>> > wind up gaining weight, not losing it. *Not saying this applies to you
>> > or to all, but that it does happen and I think it's funny in an ironic
>> > way. *For making a smoothy of your own creation, I think pineapple
>> > juice is a great choice. *It really goes well with the banana and
>> > other things one might toss in. *Another good idea for making a meal
>> > of it is to use plain yogurt. *Even ice cream can be used. *But plain
>> > yogurt is good in there with the pineapple and banana and whatever
>> > else is thrown in.
>>
>> > TJ
>>
>> Now I want to pig out on ice cream with bananas and pineapple, with whipped
>> cream.
>>
>> One other ingredient in my mix is dried nonfat milk. I didn't invent it. It
>> was in a book I bought.
>
>The idea that bananas, pineapple juice and dried nonfat milk are good
>for weight loss is the height of stupidity. It's no wonder people
>have a hard time losing weight. Those are three of the VERY worst.

Nonsense... bananas are naturally low in calories and contain no
fat/salt. Nonfat dried milk is exactly as healthful as nonfat whole
milk. And pineapple juice contains no fat/salt and when used with
some discretion adds little natural sugar but a lot of flavor... fresh
pineapple juice also aids digestion. Couldn't choose three more
healthful ingredients... you're not supposed to drink it by the
gallon, Bwrrrryan. Naturally I'd be adding lots of rum, for medicinal
purposes doncha know. LOL

Bryan > wrote:
> On Mar 4, 2:59 pm, gregz > wrote:
>> Tommy Joe > wrote:
>>> On Mar 2, 10:25 pm, gregz > wrote:
>>
>>>> I used to make a diet drink starting about 25 years ago. I have been buying
>>>> some of those liquid meals, where you substitute a meal for a drink.
>>>> It's simple to buy store bought, but they don't have enough calories or
>>>> balance.
>>>> I got the recipe somewhere. Balanced carb, protein, fat. 300 calories. For
>>>> flavor uses half banana, or strawberries or other fruit, fresh squeezed
>>>> orange juice.
>>>> Some other ingredients include, raw egg, wheat germ, jell packs, grains.
>>>> Nothing heated. All nutrition.
>>
>>> I used to do the same thing. But it's funny, they often advertise
>>> such nutritional drinks as aids to losing weight. But it comes with a
>>> risk many don't consider ahead of time. Some fatsos will buy such
>>> drinks to lose weight and wind up gaining even more weight because the
>>> drinks does not satisfy the munchy aspect of eating. So they wind up
>>> unwittingly using the drinks as snacks between their usual meals and
>>> wind up gaining weight, not losing it. Not saying this applies to you
>>> or to all, but that it does happen and I think it's funny in an ironic
>>> way. For making a smoothy of your own creation, I think pineapple
>>> juice is a great choice. It really goes well with the banana and
>>> other things one might toss in. Another good idea for making a meal
>>> of it is to use plain yogurt. Even ice cream can be used. But plain
>>> yogurt is good in there with the pineapple and banana and whatever
>>> else is thrown in.
>>
>>> TJ
>>
>> Now I want to pig out on ice cream with bananas and pineapple, with whipped
>> cream.
>>
>> One other ingredient in my mix is dried nonfat milk. I didn't invent it. It
>> was in a book I bought.
>
> The idea that bananas, pineapple juice and dried nonfat milk are good
> for weight loss is the height of stupidity. It's no wonder people
> have a hard time losing weight. Those are three of the VERY worst.
>>
>> Greg
>
> --Bryan

That diet concoction is based on 300 calories and balanced, protein, carbs,
fats, and bulk, and vitamins. 600 calories per day women, 900 calories men.
one to two weeks max. 3/4 pound per day loss max. It's extreme, but I
always included one regular meal with strict ingredient control. Regular,
but not extreme exercise.


Greg

On Mar 4, 7:44*pm, gregz > wrote:
> Bryan > wrote:
> > On Mar 4, 2:59 pm, gregz > wrote:
> >> Tommy Joe > wrote:
> >>> On Mar 2, 10:25 pm, gregz > wrote:
>
> >>>> I used to make a diet drink starting about 25 years ago. I have been buying
> >>>> some of those liquid meals, where you substitute a meal for a drink.
> >>>> It's simple to buy store bought, but they don't have enough calories or
> >>>> balance.
> >>>> I got the recipe somewhere. Balanced carb, protein, fat. 300 calories. For
> >>>> flavor uses half banana, or strawberries or other fruit, fresh squeezed
> >>>> orange juice.
> >>>> Some other ingredients include, raw egg, wheat germ, jell packs, grains.
> >>>> Nothing heated. All nutrition.
>
> >>> * * I used to do the same thing. *But it's funny, they often advertise
> >>> such nutritional drinks as aids to losing weight. *But it comes with a
> >>> risk many don't consider ahead of time. *Some fatsos will buy such
> >>> drinks to lose weight and wind up gaining even more weight because the
> >>> drinks does not satisfy the munchy aspect of eating. *So they wind up
> >>> unwittingly using the drinks as snacks between their usual meals and
> >>> wind up gaining weight, not losing it. *Not saying this applies to you
> >>> or to all, but that it does happen and I think it's funny in an ironic
> >>> way. *For making a smoothy of your own creation, I think pineapple
> >>> juice is a great choice. *It really goes well with the banana and
> >>> other things one might toss in. *Another good idea for making a meal
> >>> of it is to use plain yogurt. *Even ice cream can be used. *But plain
> >>> yogurt is good in there with the pineapple and banana and whatever
> >>> else is thrown in.
>
> >>> TJ
>
> >> Now I want to pig out on ice cream with bananas and pineapple, with whipped
> >> cream.
>
> >> One other ingredient in my mix is dried nonfat milk. I didn't invent it. It
> >> was in a book I bought.
>
> > The idea that bananas, pineapple juice and dried nonfat milk are good
> > for weight loss is the height of stupidity. *It's no wonder people
> > have a hard time losing weight. *Those are three of the VERY worst.
>
> >> Greg
>
> > --Bryan
>
> That diet concoction is based on 300 calories and balanced, protein, carbs,
> fats, and bulk, and vitamins. 600 calories per day women, 900 calories men.

Bryan > wrote:
> On Mar 4, 7:44 pm, gregz > wrote:
>> Bryan > wrote:
>>> On Mar 4, 2:59 pm, gregz > wrote:
>>>> Tommy Joe > wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 2, 10:25 pm, gregz > wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I used to make a diet drink starting about 25 years ago. I have been buying
>>>>>> some of those liquid meals, where you substitute a meal for a drink.
>>>>>> It's simple to buy store bought, but they don't have enough calories or
>>>>>> balance.
>>>>>> I got the recipe somewhere. Balanced carb, protein, fat. 300 calories. For
>>>>>> flavor uses half banana, or strawberries or other fruit, fresh squeezed
>>>>>> orange juice.
>>>>>> Some other ingredients include, raw egg, wheat germ, jell packs, grains.
>>>>>> Nothing heated. All nutrition.
>>
>>>>> I used to do the same thing. But it's funny, they often advertise
>>>>> such nutritional drinks as aids to losing weight. But it comes with a
>>>>> risk many don't consider ahead of time. Some fatsos will buy such
>>>>> drinks to lose weight and wind up gaining even more weight because the
>>>>> drinks does not satisfy the munchy aspect of eating. So they wind up
>>>>> unwittingly using the drinks as snacks between their usual meals and
>>>>> wind up gaining weight, not losing it. Not saying this applies to you
>>>>> or to all, but that it does happen and I think it's funny in an ironic
>>>>> way. For making a smoothy of your own creation, I think pineapple
>>>>> juice is a great choice. It really goes well with the banana and
>>>>> other things one might toss in. Another good idea for making a meal
>>>>> of it is to use plain yogurt. Even ice cream can be used. But plain
>>>>> yogurt is good in there with the pineapple and banana and whatever
>>>>> else is thrown in.
>>
>>>>> TJ
>>
>>>> Now I want to pig out on ice cream with bananas and pineapple, with whipped
>>>> cream.
>>
>>>> One other ingredient in my mix is dried nonfat milk. I didn't invent it. It
>>>> was in a book I bought.
>>
>>> The idea that bananas, pineapple juice and dried nonfat milk are good
>>> for weight loss is the height of stupidity. It's no wonder people
>>> have a hard time losing weight. Those are three of the VERY worst.
>>
>>>> Greg
>>
>>> --Bryan
>>
>> That diet concoction is based on 300 calories and balanced, protein, carbs,
>> fats, and bulk, and vitamins. 600 calories per day women, 900 calories men.
>> one to two weeks max. 3/4 pound per day loss max. It's extreme, but I
>> always included one regular meal with strict ingredient control. Regular,
>> but not extreme exercise.
>
> There is "balanced," and there is "balanced." Low carbers think that
> balanced means far higher fat, and far lower carb. Carbs leave you
> hungry. Fats leave you relatively satisfied. The old balanced diet
> was low fat. It didn't work.
>>
>> Greg
>
> --Bryan, optimized for burning ketones

They always seem to reinventing.

I liked this book, besides the liquid drink, has simple recipes with
listings of their carb, protein, fat, which I thought was handy, plus good
reading. Must be 30 years old.
http://www.amazon.com/Muscular-Gourm.../dp/0060960965

Greg

Bryan wrote:

>> >The idea that bananas, pineapple juice and dried nonfat milk are good
>> >for weight loss is the height of stupidity. *It's no wonder people
>> >have a hard time losing weight. *Those are three of the VERY worst.
>>
>> Hmmm.... Bananas are pretty sugary compared to other fruit, so I can
>> see that one. And juices are caloric in all but the smallest
>> quantities. But skim milk? No carbs and no fat! How can that work
>> against weight loss?
>
>Skim milk is very high in carbs. I cut up a pineapple about a half
>hour ago for my skinny wife and son, but I wasn't tempted to even
>taste it. Oh, check your mail.

I see you bombarded me with your band's music. I added it my Pandora
playlist, but so far nothing. And now you tell us your band broke up.
I like some of the titles ("Rot in hell, Reagan!"). Should I listen
sober or tanked?

I just checked on the nutritional content of skim milk. I found an 8
oz portion has 12gm of carbohydrate. I was wrong about that. But
that's not really "very high", is it? By contrast, unsweetened
pinapple juice has 32gm carb.

Brooklyn1 wrote:

>nonfat whole milk

This is an example of why people tell you to STFU.

On Mar 4, 3:59*pm, gregz > wrote:


> Now I want to pig out on ice cream with bananas and pineapple, with whipped
> cream.
>
> One other ingredient in my mix is dried nonfat milk. I didn't invent it. It
> was in a book I bought.



Yeah, I've heard that for certain recipes some people actually
prefer dried milk to the liquid. Kind of like preferring canned
tomatoes for cooking over real ones. Nowadays I'd prefer ice cream on
it's own, not mixed in with a bunch of stuff. But when I was younger
I didn't care about too many calories and made my blended drinks with
ice cream, pineapple juice, a banana, some berries, and some coconut
flavored protein powder. But even for those who can't stomach plain
yogurt (I can and do), I can't see why anyone would use flavored
yogurt in a blended drink into which they're going to put real fruit
anyway. Plain yogurt is good in a blended drink. Now I'm dwelling on
your last statement where you say you didn't invent the idea of using
dried milk, you read it - and I'm wondering, is he saying that because
he's a genuinely modest guy who doesn't want to get credit for
something he didn't do himself, or is he saying it because he's afraid
I might challenge him if he doesn't admit it first? I thought that
was funny.

TJ

On Mar 4, 8:26*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:


> Nonsense... bananas are naturally low in calories and contain no
> fat/salt. *Nonfat dried milk is exactly as healthful as nonfat whole
> milk. *And pineapple juice contains no fat/salt and when used with
> some discretion adds little natural sugar but a lot of flavor... fresh
> pineapple juice also aids digestion. *Couldn't choose three more
> healthful ingredients... you're not supposed to drink it by the
> gallon, Bwrrrryan. *Naturally I'd be adding lots of rum, for medicinal
> purposes doncha know. LOL


All food is healthy in a relative way. A bag of potato chips can
come in pretty handy after a ship-wreck. Some foods are more nutrient
dense than others, but really, there is no such thing as an unhealthy
food, only unhealthy ways of eating it. For example, sitting around
all drinking lard would not be healthy. But to use a tablespoon of
the stuff to cook a big pan of taters with maybe a few veggies
included would not be unhealthy at all. Too many foods get a bad
rap. As gun lovers love to say, "It's not the gun that kills, it's
the person pulling the trigger", the same holds true to food. "It's
not the food that kills, it's the glutton putting it down."

TJ

gregz wrote:
>
> Bryan > wrote:
> > The idea that bananas, pineapple juice and dried nonfat milk are good
> > for weight loss is the height of stupidity. It's no wonder people
> > have a hard time losing weight. Those are three of the VERY worst.

It's healthy food. Weight loss is calories in vs calories burned. It doesn't
matter what food you eat.

>
> That diet concoction is based on 300 calories and balanced, protein, carbs,
> fats, and bulk, and vitamins. 600 calories per day women, 900 calories men.
> one to two weeks max. 3/4 pound per day loss max. It's extreme, but I
> always included one regular meal with strict ingredient control. Regular,
> but not extreme exercise.
>
> Greg

Greg. I've done a similar diet and lost 30 pounds fairly quickly.
You say, "regular, but not extreme exercise"
I say, make sure it's aerobic exercise. Do it at least 20 minutes 3 days a
week. More will help you lose weight faster.

Here's why: When you do an extreme low calorie diet, your body thinks it's
starving (to a degree). It's defense is to slow down your metabolism so
you'll live longer. People on a 1000 calorie per day diet and no exercise
can actually GAIN weight because of this. The aerobic exercise raises your
metabolism immediately and it continues to run higher for several hours
after the exercise.

Your 300 calorie drink is fine but won't do much to satisfy your hunger.
You can make a killer 300 calorie sandwich and be happier.

Check out this diet. It's about the same calorie per day thing and if you
look at the menu on the 2nd link, you'll see how well you can eat.

http://www.scarsdalediet.com/
http://www.scarsdalediet.com/scarsda...meal-plan.html

I won't tell you what to eat. As I said, it's about calories in vs out. Once
you have your caloric intake set, losing the weight is all about exercise
and eating something satisfying so you won't be tempted to quit the diet.
At 900 - 1000 calories a day, you WILL be hungry often. There's no easy way
out.

Again, I've done this and can give you more tips if you want them. You're
welcome to email me privately so as not to bore ppl here (or annoy Brian
with your choices)

Gary

On Mar 4, 9:25*pm, gregz > wrote:
> Bryan > wrote:
> > On Mar 4, 7:44 pm, gregz > wrote:
> >> Bryan > wrote:
> >>> On Mar 4, 2:59 pm, gregz > wrote:
> >>>> Tommy Joe > wrote:
> >>>>> On Mar 2, 10:25 pm, gregz > wrote:
>
> >>>>>> I used to make a diet drink starting about 25 years ago. I have been buying
> >>>>>> some of those liquid meals, where you substitute a meal for a drink.
> >>>>>> It's simple to buy store bought, but they don't have enough calories or
> >>>>>> balance.
> >>>>>> I got the recipe somewhere. Balanced carb, protein, fat. 300 calories. For
> >>>>>> flavor uses half banana, or strawberries or other fruit, fresh squeezed
> >>>>>> orange juice.
> >>>>>> Some other ingredients include, raw egg, wheat germ, jell packs, grains.
> >>>>>> Nothing heated. All nutrition.
>
> >>>>> * * I used to do the same thing. *But it's funny, they often advertise
> >>>>> such nutritional drinks as aids to losing weight. *But it comes with a
> >>>>> risk many don't consider ahead of time. *Some fatsos will buy such
> >>>>> drinks to lose weight and wind up gaining even more weight because the
> >>>>> drinks does not satisfy the munchy aspect of eating. *So they wind up
> >>>>> unwittingly using the drinks as snacks between their usual meals and
> >>>>> wind up gaining weight, not losing it. *Not saying this applies to you
> >>>>> or to all, but that it does happen and I think it's funny in an ironic
> >>>>> way. *For making a smoothy of your own creation, I think pineapple
> >>>>> juice is a great choice. *It really goes well with the banana and
> >>>>> other things one might toss in. *Another good idea for making a meal
> >>>>> of it is to use plain yogurt. *Even ice cream can be used. *But plain
> >>>>> yogurt is good in there with the pineapple and banana and whatever
> >>>>> else is thrown in.
>
> >>>>> TJ
>
> >>>> Now I want to pig out on ice cream with bananas and pineapple, with whipped
> >>>> cream.
>
> >>>> One other ingredient in my mix is dried nonfat milk. I didn't invent it. It
> >>>> was in a book I bought.
>
> >>> The idea that bananas, pineapple juice and dried nonfat milk are good
> >>> for weight loss is the height of stupidity. *It's no wonder people
> >>> have a hard time losing weight. *Those are three of the VERY worst.
>
> >>>> Greg
>
> >>> --Bryan
>
> >> That diet concoction is based on 300 calories and balanced, protein, carbs,
> >> fats, and bulk, and vitamins. 600 calories per day women, 900 calories men.
> >> one to two weeks max. 3/4 pound per day loss max. It's extreme, but I
> >> always included one regular meal with strict ingredient control. Regular,
> >> but not extreme exercise.
>
> > There is "balanced," and there is "balanced." *Low carbers think that
> > balanced means far higher fat, and far lower carb. *Carbs leave you
> > hungry. *Fats leave you relatively satisfied. *The old balanced diet
> > was low fat. *It didn't work.
>
> >> Greg
>
> > --Bryan, optimized for burning ketones
>
> They always seem to reinventing.
>
Whoever "they" are, they can go ahead and invent. Atkins has been
arouns for more than 40 years, and bodybuilders have been using cyclic/
targeted ketogenic for decades as well. I just broke 170 this
morning, 169.6.
>
> Greg

--Bryan

Gary wrote:
>
> gregz wrote:
> > That diet concoction is based on 300 calories and balanced, protein, carbs,
> > fats, and bulk, and vitamins.

> Your 300 calorie drink is fine but won't do much to satisfy your hunger.
> You can make a killer 300 calorie sandwich and be happier.

Here's another meal idea while you're on a very low diet.
Your drink was 300 calories.

YUM but you will be starving until the next meal.

How about an 8oz turkey dinner?
Turkey with stuffing and gravy, mashed potatoes and green peas.
230 calories. Add one piece of toasted multigrain bread for an extra 100
calories

It's a Banquet frozen turkey dinner meal. Good for dieting, imo.

Gary

Gary > wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>>
>> gregz wrote:
>>> That diet concoction is based on 300 calories and balanced, protein, carbs,
>>> fats, and bulk, and vitamins.
>
>> Your 300 calorie drink is fine but won't do much to satisfy your hunger.
>> You can make a killer 300 calorie sandwich and be happier.
>
> Here's another meal idea while you're on a very low diet.
> Your drink was 300 calories.
>
> YUM but you will be starving until the next meal.
>
> How about an 8oz turkey dinner?
> Turkey with stuffing and gravy, mashed potatoes and green peas.
> 230 calories. Add one piece of toasted multigrain bread for an extra 100
> calories
>
> It's a Banquet frozen turkey dinner meal. Good for dieting, imo.
>
> Gary

I eat them sometimes. They are not bad for the money. I usually add though.
At least a couple handfuls of shelled peanuts.

Greg

Bryan > wrote:
> On Mar 4, 9:25 pm, gregz > wrote:
>> Bryan > wrote:
>>> On Mar 4, 7:44 pm, gregz > wrote:
>>>> Bryan > wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 4, 2:59 pm, gregz > wrote:
>>>>>> Tommy Joe > wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mar 2, 10:25 pm, gregz > wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> I used to make a diet drink starting about 25 years ago. I have been buying
>>>>>>>> some of those liquid meals, where you substitute a meal for a drink.
>>>>>>>> It's simple to buy store bought, but they don't have enough calories or
>>>>>>>> balance.
>>>>>>>> I got the recipe somewhere. Balanced carb, protein, fat. 300 calories. For
>>>>>>>> flavor uses half banana, or strawberries or other fruit, fresh squeezed
>>>>>>>> orange juice.
>>>>>>>> Some other ingredients include, raw egg, wheat germ, jell packs, grains.
>>>>>>>> Nothing heated. All nutrition.
>>
>>>>>>> I used to do the same thing. But it's funny, they often advertise
>>>>>>> such nutritional drinks as aids to losing weight. But it comes with a
>>>>>>> risk many don't consider ahead of time. Some fatsos will buy such
>>>>>>> drinks to lose weight and wind up gaining even more weight because the
>>>>>>> drinks does not satisfy the munchy aspect of eating. So they wind up
>>>>>>> unwittingly using the drinks as snacks between their usual meals and
>>>>>>> wind up gaining weight, not losing it. Not saying this applies to you
>>>>>>> or to all, but that it does happen and I think it's funny in an ironic
>>>>>>> way. For making a smoothy of your own creation, I think pineapple
>>>>>>> juice is a great choice. It really goes well with the banana and
>>>>>>> other things one might toss in. Another good idea for making a meal
>>>>>>> of it is to use plain yogurt. Even ice cream can be used. But plain
>>>>>>> yogurt is good in there with the pineapple and banana and whatever
>>>>>>> else is thrown in.
>>
>>>>>>> TJ
>>
>>>>>> Now I want to pig out on ice cream with bananas and pineapple, with whipped
>>>>>> cream.
>>
>>>>>> One other ingredient in my mix is dried nonfat milk. I didn't invent it. It
>>>>>> was in a book I bought.
>>
>>>>> The idea that bananas, pineapple juice and dried nonfat milk are good
>>>>> for weight loss is the height of stupidity. It's no wonder people
>>>>> have a hard time losing weight. Those are three of the VERY worst.
>>
>>>>>> Greg
>>
>>>>> --Bryan
>>
>>>> That diet concoction is based on 300 calories and balanced, protein, carbs,
>>>> fats, and bulk, and vitamins. 600 calories per day women, 900 calories men.
>>>> one to two weeks max. 3/4 pound per day loss max. It's extreme, but I
>>>> always included one regular meal with strict ingredient control. Regular,
>>>> but not extreme exercise.
>>
>>> There is "balanced," and there is "balanced." Low carbers think that
>>> balanced means far higher fat, and far lower carb. Carbs leave you
>>> hungry. Fats leave you relatively satisfied. The old balanced diet
>>> was low fat. It didn't work.
>>
>>>> Greg
>>
>>> --Bryan, optimized for burning ketones
>>
>> They always seem to reinventing.
>>
> Whoever "they" are, they can go ahead and invent. Atkins has been
> arouns for more than 40 years, and bodybuilders have been using cyclic/
> targeted ketogenic for decades as well. I just broke 170 this
> morning, 169.6.
>>
>> Greg
>
> --Bryan

That's great. The last time I was 170 was 1973 . Typical now days is 208 .
But I'm just over that right now. 5 years ago I was a very high 227 lbs.

Greg