I hadn't heard of this issue, but apparently the food industry is
screwing with our food again, putting god knows what in it, this time:

http://tinyurl.com/793gq96

Doesn't this part give you the warm fuzzies?

"Besides being used as a household cleaner and in fertilizers, the
compound releases flammable vapors, and with the addition of certain
acids, it can be turned into ammonium nitrate, a common component in
homemade bombs. It's also widely used in the food industry as an
anti-microbial agent in meats and as a leavener in bread and cake
products. It's regulated by the U.S. Agriculture Department, which
classifies it as "generally recognized as safe.""

Sure, pal! Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, "blow chunks",
which I think I'm gonna. 8|

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On Feb 1, 9:19*am, notbob > wrote:
> I hadn't heard of this issue, but apparently the food industry is
> screwing with our food again, putting god knows what in it, this time:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/793gq96
>
> Doesn't this part give you the warm fuzzies?
....

In YOUR food. I buy my ground beast from Straub's:

http://straubs.datixtest.com/meat/

where they ground their own 80% PRIME beef ground beef! (20% fat)

Best I've ever had too. I buy nothing else!

John Kuthe...

On Feb 1, 7:19*am, notbob > wrote:
> I hadn't heard of this issue, but apparently the food industry is
> screwing with our food again, putting god knows what in it, this time:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/793gq96
>
> Doesn't this part give you the warm fuzzies?
>
> "Besides being used as a household cleaner and in fertilizers, the
> compound releases flammable vapors, and with the addition of certain
> acids, it can be turned into ammonium nitrate, a common component in
> homemade bombs. It's also widely used in the food industry as an
> anti-microbial agent in meats and as a leavener in bread and cake
> products. It's regulated by the U.S. Agriculture Department, which
> classifies it as "generally recognized as safe.""
>
> Sure, pal! *Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, "blow chunks",
> which I think I'm gonna. *8|
>
> nb
>
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well......at least McDonald's has dropped it's usage. Won't affect
me since I won't eat at Mickey D's. Just one more reason to eat REAL
food, not processed crap.

On 2012-02-01, ImStillMags > wrote:

> me since I won't eat at Mickey D's. Just one more reason to eat REAL
> food, not processed crap.

Nor I, but I am a sucker fer discounted day old bakery cinnamon rolls.
Looks like I'm gonna hafta start carrying my 10X loupe or 3X fly-tying mag
glasses when shopping.

nb

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On Feb 1, 9:45*am, notbob > wrote:
> On 2012-02-01, ImStillMags > wrote:
>
> > me since I won't eat at Mickey D's. *Just one more reason to eat REAL
> > food, not processed crap.
>
> Nor I, but I am a sucker fer discounted day old bakery cinnamon rolls.
....

Any bakery selling their day old stuff is cutting into their fresh
baked goods business, and are thus kinda foolish. No bakery or donut
shop I ever worked at sold day old stuff for this reason.

John Kuthe...

On Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:54:37 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Feb 1, 9:45Â*am, notbob > wrote:
> > On 2012-02-01, ImStillMags > wrote:
> >
> > > me since I won't eat at Mickey D's. Â*Just one more reason to eat REAL
> > > food, not processed crap.
> >
> > Nor I, but I am a sucker fer discounted day old bakery cinnamon rolls.
> ...
>
> Any bakery selling their day old stuff is cutting into their fresh
> baked goods business, and are thus kinda foolish. No bakery or donut
> shop I ever worked at sold day old stuff for this reason.
>
> John Kuthe...

My ex-boss once told me about meeting up with the homeless guy that hung around our office. The bakery next door had just thrown a bunch of baked goods into the dumpster and the guy had climbed into it and was having a good old time. He was just covered with pie and when he saw my boss he said with the biggest shit-eatting grin "Apple pie... It's delicious!" My boss didn't say that he gave a thumbs up but I like to imagine that he did. œŒ

notbob wrote:
>
> "Besides being used as a household cleaner and in fertilizers, the
> compound releases flammable vapors, and with the addition of certain
> acids, it can be turned into ammonium nitrate, a common component in
> homemade bombs. It's also widely used in the food industry as an
> anti-microbial agent in meats and as a leavener in bread and cake
> products. It's regulated by the U.S. Agriculture Department, which
> classifies it as "generally recognized as safe.""

What about the nuclear power plant coolant which
is the main ingrediant in coffee and soda? It's
also used for reconstituting powdered milk and
from-concentrate orange juice for kids!

notbob > wrote:

> I hadn't heard of this issue, but apparently the food industry is
> screwing with our food again, putting god knows what in it, this time:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/793gq96

Another reason I'm glad I stopped going into McDonalds 28 years ago.


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Mark Thorson > wrote:

> notbob wrote:
>>
>> "Besides being used as a household cleaner and in fertilizers, the
>> compound releases flammable vapors, and with the addition of certain
>> acids, it can be turned into ammonium nitrate, a common component in
>> homemade bombs. It's also widely used in the food industry as an
>> anti-microbial agent in meats and as a leavener in bread and cake
>> products. It's regulated by the U.S. Agriculture Department, which
>> classifies it as "generally recognized as safe.""
>
> What about the nuclear power plant coolant which
> is the main ingrediant in coffee and soda? It's
> also used for reconstituting powdered milk and
> from-concentrate orange juice for kids!


Ban DHMO!

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notbob wrote:
> I hadn't heard of this issue, but apparently the food industry is
> screwing with our food again, putting god knows what in it, this time:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/793gq96
>
> Doesn't this part give you the warm fuzzies?
>
> "Besides being used as a household cleaner and in fertilizers, the
> compound releases flammable vapors, and with the addition of certain
> acids, it can be turned into ammonium nitrate, a common component in
> homemade bombs. It's also widely used in the food industry as an
> anti-microbial agent in meats and as a leavener in bread and cake
> products. It's regulated by the U.S. Agriculture Department, which
> classifies it as "generally recognized as safe.""
>
> Sure, pal! Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, "blow chunks",
> which I think I'm gonna. 8|
>
> nb
>


That's just stupid (not you, the article's comments about ammonium nitrate)


-Bob

On Feb 1, 12:22Â*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:54:37 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Feb 1, 9:45Â*am, notbob > wrote:
> > > On 2012-02-01, ImStillMags > wrote:
>
> > > > me since I won't eat at Mickey D's. Â*Just one more reason to eat REAL
> > > > food, not processed crap.
>
> > > Nor I, but I am a sucker fer discounted day old bakery cinnamon rolls..
> > ...
>
> > Any bakery selling their day old stuff is cutting into their fresh
> > baked goods business, and are thus kinda foolish. No bakery or donut
> > shop I ever worked at sold day old stuff for this reason.
>
> > John Kuthe...
>
> My ex-boss once told me about meeting up with the homeless guy that hung around our office. The bakery next door had just thrown a bunch of baked goods into the dumpster and the guy had climbed into it and was having a good old time. He was just covered with pie and when he saw my boss he said with the biggest shit-eatting grin "Apple pie... It's delicious!" My boss didn't say that he gave a thumbs up but I like to imagine that he did. œŒ

I first worked in the bakery at Venture stores, and the sweat bees out
at the dumpster knew me in the Summer, when I'd dump the trays of old
baked goods. They would fly all around me as I dumped the stuff out.
People would ask "Aren't you afraid you'll get stung?" and I'd say
"No, they know me and like me!" cause I swear they did!

Late in the donut shop when Bryan was in dire straits for whatever
reason, I'd put some old donuts in a box for him and set it on top of
the dumpster. No sense in making him dig for them!

John Kuthe...

That was nice of you. Dumpster doughnuts and punk rockers? Makes sense to me. :-)

On 2/1/2012 10:53 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> I first worked in the bakery at Venture stores, and the sweat bees out
> at the dumpster knew me in the Summer, when I'd dump the trays of old
> baked goods. They would fly all around me as I dumped the stuff out.
> People would ask "Aren't you afraid you'll get stung?" and I'd say
> "No, they know me and like me!" cause I swear they did!
>
> Late in the donut shop when Bryan was in dire straits for whatever
> reason, I'd put some old donuts in a box for him and set it on top of
> the dumpster. No sense in making him dig for them!
>
> John Kuthe...

What a nice guy. Being an angry punk guitarist never paid much, I guess.

BTW, I think that it's going to get a little crazy with the GG/Usenet
postings. It is my belief that the Usenet wars have just begun. Don't
blow a gasket. :-)

John Kuthe wrote:
>
> I first worked in the bakery at Venture stores, and the sweat bees out
> at the dumpster knew me in the Summer, when I'd dump the trays of old
> baked goods. They would fly all around me as I dumped the stuff out.
> People would ask "Aren't you afraid you'll get stung?" and I'd say
> "No, they know me and like me!" cause I swear they did!

I'm with you. Bees are friendly and curious....no problem with them unless
you threaten them.

Gary

On Feb 1, 3:37*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
> On 2/1/2012 10:53 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> > I first worked in the bakery at Venture stores, and the sweat bees out
> > at the dumpster knew me in the Summer, when I'd dump the trays of old
> > baked goods. They would fly all around me as I dumped the stuff out.
> > People would ask "Aren't you afraid you'll get stung?" and I'd say
> > "No, they know me and like me!" cause I swear they did!
>
> > Late in the donut shop when Bryan was in dire straits for whatever
> > reason, I'd put some old donuts in a box for him and set it on top of
> > the dumpster. No sense in making him dig for them!
>
> > John Kuthe...
>
> What a nice guy. Being an angry punk guitarist never paid much, I guess.
>
In the band I was in at the time, I didn't play guitar, though I did
use one to compose. I was more an angry punk vocalist. I never
played Rock'n Roll with the goal of making money. I went through this
time of craziness where I quit my job right at Thanksgiving, and spent
Dec '79-Feb '80 homeless and unemployed. It was a crazy thing to do.
One night I slept in the snow when it was well below zero F. I'm
lucky that I didn't die.

--Bryan

On Feb 2, 7:23*am, Bryan > wrote:
> On Feb 1, 3:37*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
>
> > On 2/1/2012 10:53 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> > > I first worked in the bakery at Venture stores, and the sweat bees out
> > > at the dumpster knew me in the Summer, when I'd dump the trays of old
> > > baked goods. They would fly all around me as I dumped the stuff out.
> > > People would ask "Aren't you afraid you'll get stung?" and I'd say
> > > "No, they know me and like me!" cause I swear they did!
>
> > > Late in the donut shop when Bryan was in dire straits for whatever
> > > reason, I'd put some old donuts in a box for him and set it on top of
> > > the dumpster. No sense in making him dig for them!
>
> > > John Kuthe...
>
> > What a nice guy. Being an angry punk guitarist never paid much, I guess..
>
> In the band I was in at the time, I didn't play guitar, though I did
> use one to compose. *I was more an angry punk vocalist. *I never
> played Rock'n Roll with the goal of making money. *I went through this
> time of craziness where I quit my job right at Thanksgiving, and spent
> Dec '79-Feb '80 homeless and unemployed. *It was a crazy thing to do.
> One night I slept in the snow when it was well below zero F. *I'm
> lucky that I didn't die.
>
> --Bryan

I hope all the fat in those donuts helped fuel your internal furnace
while you "slept in the snow when it was well below zero F". How "well
below zero F" was it? What kind of sleeping bag/additional insulation
did you have? I know it hardly ever gets that far below 0F in STL, so
I'm once again thinking you are aggrandizing yourself, Bryan. Was it
cold? I'm sure! Did you sleep in the snow? In some respect, I'm sure.
Was it "well below zero F"? Define well.

John Kuthe...

On Feb 2, 8:23*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 7:23*am, Bryan > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 1, 3:37*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
>
> > > On 2/1/2012 10:53 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> > > > I first worked in the bakery at Venture stores, and the sweat bees out
> > > > at the dumpster knew me in the Summer, when I'd dump the trays of old
> > > > baked goods. They would fly all around me as I dumped the stuff out..
> > > > People would ask "Aren't you afraid you'll get stung?" and I'd say
> > > > "No, they know me and like me!" cause I swear they did!
>
> > > > Late in the donut shop when Bryan was in dire straits for whatever
> > > > reason, I'd put some old donuts in a box for him and set it on top of
> > > > the dumpster. No sense in making him dig for them!
>
> > > > John Kuthe...
>
> > > What a nice guy. Being an angry punk guitarist never paid much, I guess.
>
> > In the band I was in at the time, I didn't play guitar, though I did
> > use one to compose. *I was more an angry punk vocalist. *I never
> > played Rock'n Roll with the goal of making money. *I went through this
> > time of craziness where I quit my job right at Thanksgiving, and spent
> > Dec '79-Feb '80 homeless and unemployed. *It was a crazy thing to do.
> > One night I slept in the snow when it was well below zero F. *I'm
> > lucky that I didn't die.
>
> > --Bryan
>
> I hope all the fat in those donuts helped fuel your internal furnace
> while you "slept in the snow when it was well below zero F". How "well
> below zero F" was it? What kind of sleeping bag/additional insulation
> did you have? I know it hardly ever gets that far below 0F in STL, so
> I'm once again thinking you are aggrandizing yourself, Bryan. Was it
> cold? I'm sure! *Did you sleep in the snow? In some respect, I'm sure.
> Was it "well below zero F"? Define well.

Actually it was Dec. '78-Feb '79, because it was the first of the 5
times I quit Venture. It got really cold that January.

I got into the northwest corner of where the kindergarten rooms were
at Watson School and I piled up snow on the other side to make sort of
an igloo to block the wind.
http://www.almanac.com/weather/histo...uis/1979-01-15
Very soon after that, I moved into "The Cave," which was what I called
the storage locker in Shira's apartment building basement. It had box
springs and mattresses stacked to about 15-16 inches from the
ceiling. The ceiling was way too low to roll over or sleep on my
side. I lived in there for several weeks, and on the day that Shira's
dad moved out, her mom invited me to move upstairs. By then I had
gone back to Venture, and could help with the rent.
>
> John Kuthe...

--Bryan

On Feb 2, 11:45*am, Bryan > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 8:23*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 7:23*am, Bryan > wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 1, 3:37*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
>
> > > > On 2/1/2012 10:53 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> > > > > I first worked in the bakery at Venture stores, and the sweat bees out
> > > > > at the dumpster knew me in the Summer, when I'd dump the trays of old
> > > > > baked goods. They would fly all around me as I dumped the stuff out.
> > > > > People would ask "Aren't you afraid you'll get stung?" and I'd say
> > > > > "No, they know me and like me!" cause I swear they did!
>
> > > > > Late in the donut shop when Bryan was in dire straits for whatever
> > > > > reason, I'd put some old donuts in a box for him and set it on top of
> > > > > the dumpster. No sense in making him dig for them!
>
> > > > > John Kuthe...
>
> > > > What a nice guy. Being an angry punk guitarist never paid much, I guess.
>
> > > In the band I was in at the time, I didn't play guitar, though I did
> > > use one to compose. *I was more an angry punk vocalist. *I never
> > > played Rock'n Roll with the goal of making money. *I went through this
> > > time of craziness where I quit my job right at Thanksgiving, and spent
> > > Dec '79-Feb '80 homeless and unemployed. *It was a crazy thing to do.
> > > One night I slept in the snow when it was well below zero F. *I'm
> > > lucky that I didn't die.
>
> > > --Bryan
>
> > I hope all the fat in those donuts helped fuel your internal furnace
> > while you "slept in the snow when it was well below zero F". How "well
> > below zero F" was it? What kind of sleeping bag/additional insulation
> > did you have? I know it hardly ever gets that far below 0F in STL, so
> > I'm once again thinking you are aggrandizing yourself, Bryan. Was it
> > cold? I'm sure! *Did you sleep in the snow? In some respect, I'm sure..
> > Was it "well below zero F"? Define well.
>
> Actually it was Dec. '78-Feb '79, because it was the first of the 5
> times I quit Venture. *It got really cold that January.
>
> I got into the northwest corner of where the kindergarten rooms were
> at Watson School and I piled up snow on the other side to make sort of
> an igloo to block the wind.http://www.almanac.com/weather/histo...uis/1979-01-15
> Very soon after that, I moved into "The Cave," which was what I called
> the storage locker in Shira's apartment building basement. *It had box
> springs and mattresses stacked to about 15-16 inches from the
> ceiling. *The ceiling was way too low to roll over or sleep on my
> side. *I lived in there for several weeks, and on the day that Shira's
> dad moved out, her mom invited me to move upstairs. *By then I had
> gone back to Venture, and could help with the rent.
>
>
>
> > John Kuthe...
>
> --Bryan

-8F is NOT "way below zero F". It's significant, but =<-40F is IMHO
"way below".

And I don't think I was feeding you donuts then. I think I was still
working at Venture then, and living at my mommy and daddy's house.

John Kuthe...