Hello All!

Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using jelled
dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of the best rated
products contain some form of bleach. When squeezing the bottle to get
the last of the soap, it tends to spray sideways and can bleach dark
colors if not wiped off quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the
standard blue of jeans.


--


James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Dec 1, 9:44*am, "James Silverton" >
wrote:
> Hello All!
>
> Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using jelled
> dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of the best rated
> products contain some form of bleach. When squeezing the bottle to get
> the last of the soap, it tends to spray sideways and can bleach dark
> colors if not wiped off quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the
> standard blue of jeans.
>
> --
>
> James Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland
>
> Email, with obvious alterations:
> not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Thanks for the heads up.

James Silverton wrote:
>
> Hello All!
>
> Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using jelled
> dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of the best rated
> products contain some form of bleach. When squeezing the bottle to get
> the last of the soap, it tends to spray sideways and can bleach dark
> colors if not wiped off quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the
> standard blue of jeans.

Essentially all dishwasher detergents are quite high ph and will damage
stuff if left in contact in concentrated form. Beyond that, why are you
using a gel detergent anyway, the pellet/pack stuff like the Cascade
action packs work better and are easier to handle with no spray issues.

On Dec 1, 6:44*am, "James Silverton" >
wrote:
> Hello All!
>
> Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using jelled
> dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of the best rated
> products contain some form of bleach. When squeezing the bottle to get
> the last of the soap, it tends to spray sideways and can bleach dark
> colors if not wiped off quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the
> standard blue of jeans.
>
> --
>
> James Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland
>
> Email, with obvious alterations:
> not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

When you're almost to the end of the soap, simply turn the bottle
upside down and let the soap drain to the top.

On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:15:55 GMT, "l, not -l" > wrote:

>
>On 1-Dec-2010, "James Silverton" > wrote:
>
>> Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using jelled
>> dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of the best rated
>> products contain some form of bleach. When squeezing the bottle to get
>> the last of the soap, it tends to spray sideways and can bleach dark
>> colors if not wiped off quickly.
>
>If "best rated products" are important to you, perhaps you could resist
>"squeezing the bottle to get the last of the soap". If you are akin to
>Scrooge McDuck or Jack Benny and just have to "get the last of the soap",
>simply remove the cap and run a little water into the bottle, then empty
>into sink or other vessel you wanted detergent in. You can also run some
>water over the cap; you'll get even more than you do with your old method
>and reduce the risk of "backlash".

With any of these products if when near empty they're stored cap down
getting out the last bit is easy... many of these 'squeezeables' are
now packaged with a lid that's made to stand on its head, like my
Heinz red. I keep a plastic basket in my under sink cabinet just for
the purpose of storing squeezeables upended... be sure to use a pan or
suitable container for catching those pesky drips.... a good use for
recycling plastic cups.

On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 09:44:56 -0500, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

>Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using jelled
>dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of the best rated
>products contain some form of bleach. When squeezing the bottle to get
>the last of the soap, it tends to spray sideways and can bleach dark
>colors if not wiped off quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the
>standard blue of jeans.

A few suggestions:

1. When the bottle gets low, add a little water to get the last of the
contents and add to the volume so it won't spray.

2. Hold the mouth of the bottle down at or in the soap reservoir.
(Mine is in the center of the door, so you can't possibly stand
wiithin 18 inches of it.)

3. Squeeze slowly so it doesn't spray.

4. Stop washing your jeans in the dishwasher.

5. Don't overthink the problem. 8

-- Larry

On Dec 1, 11:26*am, "Pete C." > wrote:
> James Silverton wrote:
>
> > Hello All!
>
> > Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using jelled
> > dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of the best rated
> > products contain some form of bleach. When squeezing the bottle to get
> > the last of the soap, it tends to spray sideways and can bleach dark
> > colors if not wiped off quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the
> > standard blue of jeans.
>
> Essentially all dishwasher detergents are quite high ph and will damage
> stuff if left in contact in concentrated form. Beyond that, why are you
> using a gel detergent anyway, the pellet/pack stuff like the Cascade
> action packs work better and are easier to handle with no spray issues.

I'm glad you promote the usage of plastics. Your self sacrificing act
of promoting plastics facilitates global trade, mining in
underdeveloped countries, prostitution in Tanzania, and turning the
west into a third world entity. Why don't you run for office. The
sheep would be thrilled with your knowledge of fleecing.

wrote on Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:51:54 -0500:

>> Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using
>> jelled dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of
>> the best rated products contain some form of bleach. When
>> squeezing the bottle to get the last of the soap, it tends to
>> spray sideways and can bleach dark colors if not wiped off
>> quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the standard blue
>> of jeans.

> A few suggestions:

> 1. When the bottle gets low, add a little water to get the
> last of the contents and add to the volume so it won't spray.

> 2. Hold the mouth of the bottle down at or in the soap
> reservoir. (Mine is in the center of the door, so you can't
> possibly stand wiithin 18 inches of it.)

> 3. Squeeze slowly so it doesn't spray.

> 4. Stop washing your jeans in the dishwasher.

> 5. Don't overthink the problem. 8

All the suggestions and those of others would probably work but I am
totally disinclined to give myself extra work. I don't even use the
safety device on the cap and, upside down, the bottle would probably
leak. The simplest and most cost-effective solution seems to me to
revert to the use of powder and this I have done today.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

l, not -l wrote:
> On 1-Dec-2010, "James Silverton" >
> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using jelled
>> dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of the best rated
>> products contain some form of bleach. When squeezing the bottle to
>> get the last of the soap, it tends to spray sideways and can bleach
>> dark colors if not wiped off quickly.
>
> If "best rated products" are important to you, perhaps you could
> resist "squeezing the bottle to get the last of the soap". If you
> are akin to Scrooge McDuck or Jack Benny and just have to "get the
> last of the soap", simply remove the cap and run a little water into
> the bottle, then empty into sink or other vessel you wanted
> detergent
> in. You can also run some water over the cap; you'll get even more
> than you do with your old method and reduce the risk of "backlash".
>
> 8-)

He's using it in the dishwasher. It's not practical to add water to
the container.

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
...
> Hello All!
>
> Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using jelled
> dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of the best rated
> products contain some form of bleach. When squeezing the bottle to get the
> last of the soap, it tends to spray sideways and can bleach dark colors if
> not wiped off quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the standard blue
> of jeans.
>
>
> James Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland
>
How about shake the bottle, then stand it on end for a bit? Then squeeze it
out. I've never encountered a problem with splashing.

Jill

On Dec 1, 6:44*am, "James Silverton" >
wrote:
> Hello All!
>
> Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using jelled
> dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of the best rated
> products contain some form of bleach. When squeezing the bottle to get
> the last of the soap, it tends to spray sideways and can bleach dark
> colors if not wiped off quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the
> standard blue of jeans.
>

Simply do housework in the nude. Or wear a white apron.

On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:55:15 GMT, "l, not -l" > wrote:

>
>On 1-Dec-2010, "Dora" > wrote:
>
>> He's using it in the dishwasher. It's not practical to add water to
>> the container.
>
>Obviously I don't know what his dishwasher is like; but, mine has two
>compartments, one is lidded and opens half-way through washing, the other is
>open and immediately dumps its contents into the "tub" where it mixes with
>water when the dishwashing begins. Whether the water is added to this
>"prewash" before the door is closed or after makes little difference.
>Again, I can't speak for the OP's dishwasher; but, mine has a shut off valve
>that turns off the incoming water when there is enough, preventing overflow.
> Regardless, the teaspoon of water, or less, needed to do as suggested would
>hardly cause a problem.

Mine also has two compartments, one for washing compound that opens
once the water reaches temperature, the other is for water spot
remover, opens during the rinse cycle. There really is no reason one
can't simply place the cleaning compound directly into the machine
before closing the door and hitting the start button (regardless which
type), the little compartment is for neatness and acts as a measurer.
I have a water softener so I don't need water spot remover and I can
use only half the recommended amount of washing compound.

On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 09:44:56 -0500 in rec.food.cooking, "James
Silverton" > wrote,
>products contain some form of bleach. When squeezing the bottle to get
>the last of the soap, it tends to spray sideways and can bleach dark

When you get down to the last 3ml of product, throw the damn thing
away.

On Dec 1, 10:19*am, "James Silverton" >
wrote:
> *wrote *on Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:51:54 -0500:
>
>
>
> >> Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using
> >> jelled dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of
> >> the best rated products contain some form of bleach. When
> >> squeezing the bottle to get the last of the soap, it tends to
> >> spray sideways and can bleach dark colors if not wiped off
> >> quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the standard blue
> >> of jeans.
> > A few suggestions:
> > 1. When the bottle gets low, add a little water to get the
> > last of the contents and add to the volume so it won't spray.
> > 2. Hold the mouth of the bottle down at or in the soap
> > reservoir. (Mine is in the center of the door, so you can't
> > possibly stand wiithin 18 inches of it.)
> > 3. Squeeze slowly so it doesn't spray.
> > 4. Stop washing your jeans in the dishwasher.
> > 5. Don't overthink the problem. *8
>
> All the suggestions and those of others would probably work but I am
> totally disinclined *to give myself extra work. I don't even use the
> safety device on the cap and, upside down, the bottle would probably
> leak. The simplest and most cost-effective solution seems to me to
> revert to the use of powder and this I have done today.
>
> --
>
> James Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland
>
> Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

shit, you sound lazy. Snap the lid back on, turn the freakin' bottle
upside down and the next time you need it the soap will be at the
bottom. How freakin' hard can that be?

On Dec 1, 3:04*pm, David Harmon > wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 09:44:56 -0500 in rec.food.cooking, "James
> Silverton" > wrote,
>
> >products contain some form of bleach. When squeezing the bottle to get
> >the last of the soap, it tends to spray sideways and can bleach dark
>
> When you get down to the last 3ml of product, throw the damn thing
> away.

I think he'd rather **** and moan about this whole insane idea.

Chemo wrote on Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:31:26 -0800 (PST):

> On Dec 1, 10:19 am, "James Silverton" >
> wrote:
>> wrote on Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:51:54 -0500:
>>
> >>> Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using
> >>> jelled dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of
> >>> the best rated products contain some form of bleach. When
> >>> squeezing the bottle to get the last of the soap, it tends
> >>> to spray sideways and can bleach dark colors if not wiped
> >>> off quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the
> >>> standard blue of jeans.
> >> A few suggestions:
> >> 1. When the bottle gets low, add a little water to get the
> >> last of the contents and add to the volume so it won't
> >> spray. 2. Hold the mouth of the bottle down at or in the
> >> soap reservoir. (Mine is in the center of the door, so you
> >> can't possibly stand wiithin 18 inches of it.) 3. Squeeze
> >> slowly so it doesn't spray. 4. Stop washing your jeans in
> >> the dishwasher. 5. Don't overthink the problem. 8
>>
>> All the suggestions and those of others would probably work
>> but I am totally disinclined to give myself extra work. I
>> don't even use the safety device on the cap and, upside down,
>> the bottle would probably leak. The simplest and most
>> cost-effective solution seems to me to revert to the use of
>> powder and this I have done today.

OK, I'm "lazy"! I did not ask for assistance and I just warned people
that they could bleach their clothing ad make it perhaps suitable for
Goodwill or the like.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Dec 1, 4:22*pm, "James Silverton" >
wrote:
> *Chemo *wrote *on Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:31:26 -0800 (PST):
>
>
>
> > On Dec 1, 10:19 am, "James Silverton" >
> > wrote:
> >> *wrote *on Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:51:54 -0500:
>
> > >>> Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using
> > >>> jelled dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of
> > >>> the best rated products contain some form of bleach. When
> > >>> squeezing the bottle to get the last of the soap, it tends
> > >>> to spray sideways and can bleach dark colors if not wiped
> > >>> off quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the
> > >>> standard blue of jeans.
> > >> A few suggestions:
> > >> 1. When the bottle gets low, add a little water to get the
> > >> last of the contents and add to the volume so it won't
> > >> spray. 2. Hold the mouth of the bottle down at or in the
> > >> soap reservoir. (Mine is in the center of the door, so you
> > >> can't possibly stand wiithin 18 inches of it.) 3. Squeeze
> > >> slowly so it doesn't spray. 4. Stop washing your jeans in
> > >> the dishwasher. 5. Don't overthink the problem. *8
>
> >> All the suggestions and those of others would probably work
> >> but I am totally disinclined *to give myself extra work. I
> >> don't even use the safety device on the cap and, upside down,
> >> the bottle would probably leak. The simplest and most
> >> cost-effective solution seems to me to revert to the use of
> >> powder and this I have done today.
>
> *OK, I'm "lazy"! *I did not ask for assistance and I just warned people
> that they could bleach their clothing ad make it perhaps suitable for
> Goodwill or the like.
>
> --
>
> James Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland
>
> Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Well...so far NO ONE has responded saying they've encountered this
"Twilight Zone" problem you have.

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
...
>
> OK, I'm "lazy"! I did not ask for assistance and I just warned people
> that they could bleach their clothing ad make it perhaps suitable for
> Goodwill or the like.
>
> --
>
> James Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland
>
Heh. Some kids would (and do!) pay a fortune for bleached spotted jeans

Jill

On Dec 2, 2:05*pm, Andy > wrote:
> Andy > wrote:
> > I would've taken Mom to court but back then, but at my age, I could
> > afford an attorney, even in my own defense. I grew a dim outlook on life
> > soon after.
>
> Error, rephrased.
>
> I would've taken Mom to court but back then, at my age, I couldn't
> afford an attorney, even in my own defense. I grew a dim outlook on life
> soon after.

And a dim outlook you've since, eh?

Pete C. wrote:
> James Silverton wrote:
>> Hello All!
>>
>> Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using jelled
>> dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of the best rated
>> products contain some form of bleach. When squeezing the bottle to get
>> the last of the soap, it tends to spray sideways and can bleach dark
>> colors if not wiped off quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the
>> standard blue of jeans.
>
> Essentially all dishwasher detergents are quite high ph and will damage
> stuff if left in contact in concentrated form. Beyond that, why are you
> using a gel detergent anyway, the pellet/pack stuff like the Cascade
> action packs work better and are easier to handle with no spray issues.

Interestingly, I was just discussing detergents with a friend
yesterday. She said a very knowledgeable repair person told her
NEVER to use those packets because the exterior does not totally
dissolve, and it eventually will clog things up. He also
demonstrated that the powder dissolves better than the gels. This
is all news to me.

--
Jean B.

Jean wrote on Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:06:43 -0500:

> Pete C. wrote:
>> James Silverton wrote:
>>> Hello All!
>>>
>>> Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using
>>> jelled dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of
>>> the best rated products contain some form of bleach. When
>>> squeezing the bottle to get the last of the soap, it tends
>>> to spray sideways and can bleach dark colors if not wiped
>>> off quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the standard blue of
>>> jeans.
>>
>> Essentially all dishwasher detergents are quite high ph and
>> will damage stuff if left in contact in concentrated form.
>> Beyond that, why are you using a gel detergent anyway, the
>> pellet/pack stuff like the Cascade action packs work better
>> and are easier to handle with no spray issues.

> Interestingly, I was just discussing detergents with a friend
> yesterday. She said a very knowledgeable repair person told
> her NEVER to use those packets because the exterior does not
> totally dissolve, and it eventually will clog things up. He
> also demonstrated that the powder dissolves better than the
> gels. This is all news to me.

I never tasted any residuals on dishes washed with gel detergents so I
guess any undissolved material gets rinsed away and I would like to see
a more authoritative study of possibly clogging with packets (not that
I've ever used them.)

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 08:58:57 -0500, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

> Jean wrote on Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:06:43 -0500:
>
>> Pete C. wrote:
>>> James Silverton wrote:
>>>> Hello All!
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using
>>>> jelled dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of
>>>> the best rated products contain some form of bleach. When
>>>> squeezing the bottle to get the last of the soap, it tends
>>>> to spray sideways and can bleach dark colors if not wiped
>>>> off quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the standard blue of
>>>> jeans.
>>>
>>> Essentially all dishwasher detergents are quite high ph and
>>> will damage stuff if left in contact in concentrated form.
>>> Beyond that, why are you using a gel detergent anyway, the
>>> pellet/pack stuff like the Cascade action packs work better
>>> and are easier to handle with no spray issues.
>
>> Interestingly, I was just discussing detergents with a friend
>> yesterday. She said a very knowledgeable repair person told
>> her NEVER to use those packets because the exterior does not
>> totally dissolve, and it eventually will clog things up. He
>> also demonstrated that the powder dissolves better than the
>> gels. This is all news to me.
>
> I never tasted any residuals on dishes washed with gel detergents so I
>guess any undissolved material gets rinsed away and I would like to see
>a more authoritative study of possibly clogging with packets (not that
>I've ever used them.)

I've never had a problem with the gels dissolving, I've had problems
with the tablets however, they sometimes stick to the dispensor
compartment. I use Walmart brand gel (Equate), works exactly the same
as the CP product, even looks/pours exactly the same, only the package
is different as is the price, like 30% lower. I'll take an educated
guess that folks having problems with cleaning products dissolving
have hard water. A water softener allows one to cut their cleaning
products bill in half, that alone more than covers the stinkin' $4
worth of salt each month, not to mention plumbing bills.

On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 16:00:43 -0600, Andy wrote:

> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
>>
>> "James Silverton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> OK, I'm "lazy"! I did not ask for assistance and I just warned
>>> people that they could bleach their clothing ad make it perhaps
>>> suitable for Goodwill or the like.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> James Silverton
>>> Potomac, Maryland
>>>
>> Heh. Some kids would (and do!) pay a fortune for bleached spotted
>> jeans
>>
>> Jill
>
> In the 1960s, we'd trim the bottom seam of our jeans off so after a
> couple washes, they'd fray. I was cool, back in the day,

unlikely at best.

>until one day
> Mom cut the threads off. I was instantly demoted from "Cool."
>
> I would've taken Mom to court but back then, but at my age, I could
> afford an attorney, even in my own defense. I grew a dim outlook on life
> soon after.

you just grew dim, period.

blake

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 08:58:57 -0500, "James Silverton"
> > wrote:
>
> > Jean wrote on Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:06:43 -0500:
> >
> >> Pete C. wrote:
> >>> James Silverton wrote:
> >>>> Hello All!
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using
> >>>> jelled dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of
> >>>> the best rated products contain some form of bleach. When
> >>>> squeezing the bottle to get the last of the soap, it tends
> >>>> to spray sideways and can bleach dark colors if not wiped
> >>>> off quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the standard blue of
> >>>> jeans.
> >>>
> >>> Essentially all dishwasher detergents are quite high ph and
> >>> will damage stuff if left in contact in concentrated form.
> >>> Beyond that, why are you using a gel detergent anyway, the
> >>> pellet/pack stuff like the Cascade action packs work better
> >>> and are easier to handle with no spray issues.
> >
> >> Interestingly, I was just discussing detergents with a friend
> >> yesterday. She said a very knowledgeable repair person told
> >> her NEVER to use those packets because the exterior does not
> >> totally dissolve, and it eventually will clog things up. He
> >> also demonstrated that the powder dissolves better than the
> >> gels. This is all news to me.
> >
> > I never tasted any residuals on dishes washed with gel detergents so I
> >guess any undissolved material gets rinsed away and I would like to see
> >a more authoritative study of possibly clogging with packets (not that
> >I've ever used them.)
>
> I've never had a problem with the gels dissolving, I've had problems
> with the tablets however, they sometimes stick to the dispensor
> compartment. I use Walmart brand gel (Equate), works exactly the same
> as the CP product, even looks/pours exactly the same, only the package
> is different as is the price, like 30% lower. I'll take an educated
> guess that folks having problems with cleaning products dissolving
> have hard water. A water softener allows one to cut their cleaning
> products bill in half, that alone more than covers the stinkin' $4
> worth of salt each month, not to mention plumbing bills.

I have very soft water here, which may explain why the packs work very
well here.

On Fri, 03 Dec 2010 19:41:23 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 08:58:57 -0500, "James Silverton"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Jean wrote on Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:06:43 -0500:
>> >
>> >> Pete C. wrote:
>> >>> James Silverton wrote:
>> >>>> Hello All!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using
>> >>>> jelled dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of
>> >>>> the best rated products contain some form of bleach. When
>> >>>> squeezing the bottle to get the last of the soap, it tends
>> >>>> to spray sideways and can bleach dark colors if not wiped
>> >>>> off quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the standard blue of
>> >>>> jeans.
>> >>>
>> >>> Essentially all dishwasher detergents are quite high ph and
>> >>> will damage stuff if left in contact in concentrated form.
>> >>> Beyond that, why are you using a gel detergent anyway, the
>> >>> pellet/pack stuff like the Cascade action packs work better
>> >>> and are easier to handle with no spray issues.
>> >
>> >> Interestingly, I was just discussing detergents with a friend
>> >> yesterday. She said a very knowledgeable repair person told
>> >> her NEVER to use those packets because the exterior does not
>> >> totally dissolve, and it eventually will clog things up. He
>> >> also demonstrated that the powder dissolves better than the
>> >> gels. This is all news to me.
>> >
>> > I never tasted any residuals on dishes washed with gel detergents so I
>> >guess any undissolved material gets rinsed away and I would like to see
>> >a more authoritative study of possibly clogging with packets (not that
>> >I've ever used them.)
>>
>> I've never had a problem with the gels dissolving, I've had problems
>> with the tablets however, they sometimes stick to the dispensor
>> compartment. I use Walmart brand gel (Equate), works exactly the same
>> as the CP product, even looks/pours exactly the same, only the package
>> is different as is the price, like 30% lower. I'll take an educated
>> guess that folks having problems with cleaning products dissolving
>> have hard water. A water softener allows one to cut their cleaning
>> products bill in half, that alone more than covers the stinkin' $4
>> worth of salt each month, not to mention plumbing bills.
>
>I have very soft water here, which may explain why the packs work very
>well here.

Absolutely. Soft water is a far better solvent than hard water.

James Silverton wrote:
> Jean wrote on Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:06:43 -0500:
>
>> Pete C. wrote:
>>> James Silverton wrote:
>>>> Hello All!
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using
>>>> jelled dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of
>>>> the best rated products contain some form of bleach. When
>>>> squeezing the bottle to get the last of the soap, it tends
>>>> to spray sideways and can bleach dark colors if not wiped
>>>> off quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the standard blue of
>>>> jeans.
>>>
>>> Essentially all dishwasher detergents are quite high ph and
>>> will damage stuff if left in contact in concentrated form.
>>> Beyond that, why are you using a gel detergent anyway, the
>>> pellet/pack stuff like the Cascade action packs work better
>>> and are easier to handle with no spray issues.
>
>> Interestingly, I was just discussing detergents with a friend
>> yesterday. She said a very knowledgeable repair person told
>> her NEVER to use those packets because the exterior does not
>> totally dissolve, and it eventually will clog things up. He
>> also demonstrated that the powder dissolves better than the
>> gels. This is all news to me.
>
> I never tasted any residuals on dishes washed with gel detergents so I
> guess any undissolved material gets rinsed away and I would like to see
> a more authoritative study of possibly clogging with packets (not that
> I've ever used them.)
>
Might be interesting to do a search for this. Right now, I am
busy packing and tossing.

--
Jean B.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 08:58:57 -0500, "James Silverton"
> > wrote:
>
>> Jean wrote on Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:06:43 -0500:
>>
>>> Pete C. wrote:
>>>> James Silverton wrote:
>>>>> Hello All!
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using
>>>>> jelled dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of
>>>>> the best rated products contain some form of bleach. When
>>>>> squeezing the bottle to get the last of the soap, it tends
>>>>> to spray sideways and can bleach dark colors if not wiped
>>>>> off quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the standard blue of
>>>>> jeans.
>>>> Essentially all dishwasher detergents are quite high ph and
>>>> will damage stuff if left in contact in concentrated form.
>>>> Beyond that, why are you using a gel detergent anyway, the
>>>> pellet/pack stuff like the Cascade action packs work better
>>>> and are easier to handle with no spray issues.
>>> Interestingly, I was just discussing detergents with a friend
>>> yesterday. She said a very knowledgeable repair person told
>>> her NEVER to use those packets because the exterior does not
>>> totally dissolve, and it eventually will clog things up. He
>>> also demonstrated that the powder dissolves better than the
>>> gels. This is all news to me.
>> I never tasted any residuals on dishes washed with gel detergents so I
>> guess any undissolved material gets rinsed away and I would like to see
>> a more authoritative study of possibly clogging with packets (not that
>> I've ever used them.)
>
> I've never had a problem with the gels dissolving, I've had problems
> with the tablets however, they sometimes stick to the dispensor
> compartment. I use Walmart brand gel (Equate), works exactly the same
> as the CP product, even looks/pours exactly the same, only the package
> is different as is the price, like 30% lower. I'll take an educated
> guess that folks having problems with cleaning products dissolving
> have hard water. A water softener allows one to cut their cleaning
> products bill in half, that alone more than covers the stinkin' $4
> worth of salt each month, not to mention plumbing bills.

Dumb question... at the new house, the dishes (hand done and done
in the dishwasher) are spotty. What does that indicate? I have
no such problem here in the old house. I'd look this up, but I am
not going to have much time for the computer... I have already
not been on rfc for some days.

--
Jean B.

Jean wrote on Mon, 06 Dec 2010 14:35:04 -0500:

> James Silverton wrote:
>> Jean wrote on Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:06:43 -0500:
>>
>>> Pete C. wrote:
>>>> James Silverton wrote:
>>>>> Hello All!
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using
>>>>> jelled dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of
>>>>> the best rated products contain some form of bleach. When
>>>>> squeezing the bottle to get the last of the soap, it tends
>>>>> to spray sideways and can bleach dark colors if not wiped
>>>>> off quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the
>>>>> standard blue of jeans.
>>>>
>>>> Essentially all dishwasher detergents are quite high ph and
>>>> will damage stuff if left in contact in concentrated form.
>>>> Beyond that, why are you using a gel detergent anyway, the
>>>> pellet/pack stuff like the Cascade action packs work better
>>>> and are easier to handle with no spray issues.
>>
>>> Interestingly, I was just discussing detergents with a
>>> friend yesterday. She said a very knowledgeable repair
>>> person told her NEVER to use those packets because the
>>> exterior does not totally dissolve, and it eventually will
>>> clog things up. He also demonstrated that the powder
>>> dissolves better than the gels. This is all news to me.
>>
>> I never tasted any residuals on dishes washed with gel
>> detergents so I guess any undissolved material gets rinsed
>> away and I would like to see a more authoritative study of
>> possibly clogging with packets (not that I've ever used
>> them.)
>>
> Might be interesting to do a search for this. Right now, I am
> busy packing and tossing.

Most dishwashers can handle small amounts of solid debris (in fact,
quite a number advise "don't rinse") so I doubt that a little
undissolved material would do any harm.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 14:37:03 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:

> Dumb question... at the new house, the dishes (hand done and done
> in the dishwasher) are spotty. What does that indicate? I have
> no such problem here in the old house. I'd look this up, but I am
> not going to have much time for the computer... I have already
> not been on rfc for some days.

Have you remembered to use Jet Dry?

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sf wrote on Mon, 06 Dec 2010 13:27:43 -0800:

>> Dumb question... at the new house, the dishes (hand done and
>> done in the dishwasher) are spotty. What does that indicate?
>> I have no such problem here in the old house. I'd look this
>> up, but I am not going to have much time for the computer...
>> I have already not been on rfc for some days.

> Have you remembered to use Jet Dry?

I suspect the water must be pretty hard. Even with Washington water (it
tastes horrible in the summer) I don't use a rinsing agent and don't get
spots.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

James Silverton wrote:
> Jean wrote on Mon, 06 Dec 2010 14:35:04 -0500:
>
>> James Silverton wrote:
>>> Jean wrote on Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:06:43 -0500:
>>>
>>>> Pete C. wrote:
>>>>> James Silverton wrote:
>>>>>> Hello All!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps this is OT but I think I am going to give up using
>>>>>> jelled dishwasher soap. The reason is that at least two of
>>>>>> the best rated products contain some form of bleach. When
>>>>>> squeezing the bottle to get the last of the soap, it tends
>>>>>> to spray sideways and can bleach dark colors if not wiped
>>>>>> off quickly. A particularly susceptible dye is the
>>>>>> standard blue of jeans.
>>>>>
>>>>> Essentially all dishwasher detergents are quite high ph and
>>>>> will damage stuff if left in contact in concentrated form.
>>>>> Beyond that, why are you using a gel detergent anyway, the
>>>>> pellet/pack stuff like the Cascade action packs work better
>>>>> and are easier to handle with no spray issues.
>>>
>>>> Interestingly, I was just discussing detergents with a
>>>> friend yesterday. She said a very knowledgeable repair
>>>> person told her NEVER to use those packets because the
>>>> exterior does not totally dissolve, and it eventually will
>>>> clog things up. He also demonstrated that the powder
>>>> dissolves better than the gels. This is all news to me.
>>>
>>> I never tasted any residuals on dishes washed with gel
>>> detergents so I guess any undissolved material gets rinsed
>>> away and I would like to see a more authoritative study of
>>> possibly clogging with packets (not that I've ever used
>>> them.)
>>>
>> Might be interesting to do a search for this. Right now, I am
>> busy packing and tossing.
>
> Most dishwashers can handle small amounts of solid debris (in fact,
> quite a number advise "don't rinse") so I doubt that a little
> undissolved material would do any harm.
>

Well, I hate to say it but I put a casserole dish into the new GE
dishwasher, just leaving a thin ring of baked on stuff. When I
was unloading the DW, I was dismayed to find it still there. And
it came off very easily when hand-washed. :-( I wonder whether I
have to use pot-scrubber mode to get even that off? I also note
that the normal cycle takes over 90 minutes. And heated drying
does not dry. Other than that...

I may end up doing what my daughter does, which is essentially use
the DW in lieu of a dish drying rack.

--
Jean B.

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 14:37:03 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Dumb question... at the new house, the dishes (hand done and done
>> in the dishwasher) are spotty. What does that indicate? I have
>> no such problem here in the old house. I'd look this up, but I am
>> not going to have much time for the computer... I have already
>> not been on rfc for some days.
>
> Have you remembered to use Jet Dry?
>
Not the first time. I am looking for Lemi-Shine.

--
Jean B.

l, not -l wrote:
> On 6-Dec-2010, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Dumb question... at the new house, the dishes (hand done and done
>> in the dishwasher) are spotty. What does that indicate? I have
>> no such problem here in the old house. I'd look this up, but I am
>> not going to have much time for the computer... I have already
>> not been on rfc for some days.
>
> Hard water (lots of minerals); consider adding a water softener or always
> wash in the dishwasher using JetDry or similar rinse agent.

Thanks, James and... what IS your name? Am I just forgetting?

I will adjust things accordingly and see what happens. It sure is
different from the water in the previous town.

--
Jean B.

On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 19:03:13 -0500, Jean B. wrote:

> l, not -l wrote:
>> On 6-Dec-2010, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>
>>> Dumb question... at the new house, the dishes (hand done and done
>>> in the dishwasher) are spotty. What does that indicate? I have
>>> no such problem here in the old house. I'd look this up, but I am
>>> not going to have much time for the computer... I have already
>>> not been on rfc for some days.
>>
>> Hard water (lots of minerals); consider adding a water softener or always
>> wash in the dishwasher using JetDry or similar rinse agent.
>
> Thanks, James and... what IS your name? Am I just forgetting?
>
> I will adjust things accordingly and see what happens. It sure is
> different from the water in the previous town.

if you contact you new water authority (whatever it might be called) they
can tell you how hard your water is. see if there's a web site.

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 12:39:12 -0500, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 19:03:13 -0500, Jean B. wrote:
>
>> l, not -l wrote:
>>> On 6-Dec-2010, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dumb question... at the new house, the dishes (hand done and done
>>>> in the dishwasher) are spotty. What does that indicate? I have
>>>> no such problem here in the old house. I'd look this up, but I am
>>>> not going to have much time for the computer... I have already
>>>> not been on rfc for some days.
>>>
>>> Hard water (lots of minerals); consider adding a water softener or always
>>> wash in the dishwasher using JetDry or similar rinse agent.
>>
>> Thanks, James and... what IS your name? Am I just forgetting?
>>
>> I will adjust things accordingly and see what happens. It sure is
>> different from the water in the previous town.
>
>if you contact you new water authority (whatever it might be called) they
>can tell you how hard your water is. see if there's a web site.

By Law water companys have to include an analysis with your water
bill... but that's only an average approximation since it's for the
water at their distribution point... water can pick up significant
hardness (or even lose hardness) as it travels to your home. Any pet
shop selling aquarium fish will have inexpensive water hardness test
kits.

http://www.petco.com/product/12503/M... ltRedirect=1

http://www.prolabinc.com/products.asp?kit=waterquality

blake murphy wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 19:03:13 -0500, Jean B. wrote:
>
>> l, not -l wrote:
>>> On 6-Dec-2010, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dumb question... at the new house, the dishes (hand done and done
>>>> in the dishwasher) are spotty. What does that indicate? I have
>>>> no such problem here in the old house. I'd look this up, but I am
>>>> not going to have much time for the computer... I have already
>>>> not been on rfc for some days.
>>> Hard water (lots of minerals); consider adding a water softener or always
>>> wash in the dishwasher using JetDry or similar rinse agent.
>> Thanks, James and... what IS your name? Am I just forgetting?
>>
>> I will adjust things accordingly and see what happens. It sure is
>> different from the water in the previous town.
>
> if you contact you new water authority (whatever it might be called) they
> can tell you how hard your water is. see if there's a web site.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Yes, I have to do that. Hmmm. I wonder whether they send out the
information every year like they do here in my old town?

--
Jean B.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 12:39:12 -0500, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 19:03:13 -0500, Jean B. wrote:
>>
>>> l, not -l wrote:
>>>> On 6-Dec-2010, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dumb question... at the new house, the dishes (hand done and done
>>>>> in the dishwasher) are spotty. What does that indicate? I have
>>>>> no such problem here in the old house. I'd look this up, but I am
>>>>> not going to have much time for the computer... I have already
>>>>> not been on rfc for some days.
>>>> Hard water (lots of minerals); consider adding a water softener or always
>>>> wash in the dishwasher using JetDry or similar rinse agent.
>>> Thanks, James and... what IS your name? Am I just forgetting?
>>>
>>> I will adjust things accordingly and see what happens. It sure is
>>> different from the water in the previous town.
>> if you contact you new water authority (whatever it might be called) they
>> can tell you how hard your water is. see if there's a web site.
>
> By Law water companys have to include an analysis with your water
> bill... but that's only an average approximation since it's for the
> water at their distribution point... water can pick up significant
> hardness (or even lose hardness) as it travels to your home. Any pet
> shop selling aquarium fish will have inexpensive water hardness test
> kits.
>
> http://www.petco.com/product/12503/M... ltRedirect=1
>
> http://www.prolabinc.com/products.asp?kit=waterquality

Ahhh. I may have an old bill around--and the home test sounds
wise. Can't say I like my spotty dishes... or shower.

--
Jean B.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Thu 09 Dec 2010 04:41:46p, Jean B. told us...
>
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>> On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 19:03:13 -0500, Jean B. wrote:
>>>
>>>> l, not -l wrote:
>>>>> On 6-Dec-2010, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dumb question... at the new house, the dishes (hand done and
>>>>>> done in the dishwasher) are spotty. What does that indicate?
>>>>>> I have no such problem here in the old house. I'd look this
>>>>>> up, but I am not going to have much time for the computer...
>>>>>> I have already not been on rfc for some days.
>>>>> Hard water (lots of minerals); consider adding a water softener
>>>>> or always wash in the dishwasher using JetDry or similar rinse
>>>>> agent.
>>>> Thanks, James and... what IS your name? Am I just forgetting?
>>>>
>>>> I will adjust things accordingly and see what happens. It sure
>>>> is different from the water in the previous town.
>>> if you contact you new water authority (whatever it might be
>>> called) they can tell you how hard your water is. see if there's
>>> a web site.
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>> Yes, I have to do that. Hmmm. I wonder whether they send out the
>> information every year like they do here in my old town?
>>
>
> If you have a Sears anywhere near you, you can take in a water sample
> and they will test it for free, so you will know exactly what is in
> the water entering your house. Of course, they would like to sell
> you a water softener, but they don't push it.
>
I am thinking I might end up with a whole-house filter.

--
Jean B.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Thu 09 Dec 2010 08:42:07p, Jean B. told us...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Thu 09 Dec 2010 04:41:46p, Jean B. told us...
>>>
>>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 19:03:13 -0500, Jean B. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> l, not -l wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6-Dec-2010, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dumb question... at the new house, the dishes (hand done
>>>>>>>> and done in the dishwasher) are spotty. What does that
>>>>>>>> indicate? I have no such problem here in the old house. I'd
>>>>>>>> look this up, but I am not going to have much time for the
>>>>>>>> computer... I have already not been on rfc for some days.
>>>>>>> Hard water (lots of minerals); consider adding a water
>>>>>>> softener or always wash in the dishwasher using JetDry or
>>>>>>> similar rinse agent.
>>>>>> Thanks, James and... what IS your name? Am I just
>>>>>> forgetting?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will adjust things accordingly and see what happens. It
>>>>>> sure is different from the water in the previous town.
>>>>> if you contact you new water authority (whatever it might be
>>>>> called) they can tell you how hard your water is. see if
>>>>> there's a web site.
>>>>>
>>>>> your pal,
>>>>> blake
>>>> Yes, I have to do that. Hmmm. I wonder whether they send out
>>>> the information every year like they do here in my old town?
>>>>
>>> If you have a Sears anywhere near you, you can take in a water
>>> sample and they will test it for free, so you will know exactly
>>> what is in the water entering your house. Of course, they would
>>> like to sell you a water softener, but they don't push it.
>>>
>> I am thinking I might end up with a whole-house filter.
>>
>
> If things are ending up with spots, you can almost bet it's the
> mineral content in the water, in which case a filter won't eliminate
> the problem. A water softener will, however.
>
> Having said that, I personally don't care for the "Feel" of softened
> water, and I don't recommend it for drinking. Unfortunately, IIRC,
> new new dishwasher has a reservoir and an automatic dispenser for the
> detergent. Ours has the usual 2 cup dispenser (one open and one
> closed). I put regular granulated disherwasher detergent in the open
> cup and Lemi-Shine in the closed cup. Everything comes out spotless
> and looking like new, even crystal. In the shower I use an "after
> shower" spray that you simply spray on and leave...no scrubvbing.
> There is no mineral buildup.
>
I haven't found Lemi-Shine around here yet. What spray? I am
driving myself crazy. I was in the shower at a different time
yesterday and notice what looked like every single old squeegee
mark on the door. That reminds me, I need to write to the door
manufacturer and strongly suggest that they at least make sure
people know they can get a special coating before they order!!!!!

--
Jean B.

On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:16:06 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> > On Thu 09 Dec 2010 08:42:07p, Jean B. told us...
> >
> >> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >>> On Thu 09 Dec 2010 04:41:46p, Jean B. told us...
> >>>
> >> I am thinking I might end up with a whole-house filter.
> >>
> >
> > If things are ending up with spots, you can almost bet it's the
> > mineral content in the water, in which case a filter won't eliminate
> > the problem. A water softener will, however.
> >
> > Having said that, I personally don't care for the "Feel" of softened
> > water, and I don't recommend it for drinking. Unfortunately, IIRC,
> > new new dishwasher has a reservoir and an automatic dispenser for the
> > detergent. Ours has the usual 2 cup dispenser (one open and one
> > closed). I put regular granulated disherwasher detergent in the open
> > cup and Lemi-Shine in the closed cup. Everything comes out spotless
> > and looking like new, even crystal. In the shower I use an "after
> > shower" spray that you simply spray on and leave...no scrubvbing.
> > There is no mineral buildup.
> >
> I haven't found Lemi-Shine around here yet. What spray? I am
> driving myself crazy. I was in the shower at a different time
> yesterday and notice what looked like every single old squeegee
> mark on the door. That reminds me, I need to write to the door
> manufacturer and strongly suggest that they at least make sure
> people know they can get a special coating before they order!!!!!

My mother could have used that product when she lived in San Diego
county. She had horrible hard water that left her glassware cloudy.
I loved her water softener though. It made my hair sooo shiny and my
skin felt great too. We don't have a water softener here because our
municipal water is naturally soft... but it's not as soft as her water
softener made hers.

Did you find this Lemi-Shine site?
http://www.envirocontech.com/product...emi-Shine.html

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