Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.

<http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>

<http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ramsay-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>


--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On 2010-09-29, sf > wrote:

> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.

If they did, past Gordon contestant corpses would be littering the
countryside on both sides of the pond.

nb

Stu added the following to the totality of all human wisdom on
9/29/2010 in writing
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:33:33 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>
>> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
>> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
>> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
>>
>> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
>>
>> <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ramsay-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>
>
>
> Some can't take the abuse Ramsey dishes out either.

So it would seem. Seems kind of silly to blame someone else for a
self-inflicted gunshot wound though.

--
Yours,
Dan S.
There are 10 kinds of people, those who can read binary and those who
can't.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
>
> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.

This guy was on like three years ago. I don't see any real connection to the
show.



Brian
--
Day 602 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project.

sf wrote:
>
> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.

I wonder what the suicide rate among restauranteurs
normally is. Two might be an expected number.

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> sf wrote:
>>
>> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
>> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
>> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
>
> I wonder what the suicide rate among restauranteurs
> normally is. Two might be an expected number.

That's a decent point. There have been a lot people that went through
Ramsay's various shows, most of them working in a stressful situation. That
being said, the most common reason for suicide is clinical depression. Too
often, a person "with everything going for them" will end their life, to the
surprise of even people close to them.



Brian
--
Day 602 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project.

On 2010-09-29, Christine Dabney > wrote:

> Eric Ripert has now involved himself in this....

He's entitled to his own opinion, but I think it a bit disingenuous.
"Nothing personal against Gordon Ramsey, but...." Sure, pal.

Isn't the kitchen of a great chef the last PC domain of the true petty
tyrant? Ever since I heard my first stories about France and being
apprenticed to any chef worth apprenticing to, all I've heard about is
abuse stories so horrific as to make one's veggie peeler curl.

If one is to learn anything about the professional cooking landscape
from books like Kitchen Confidential, it's that it's the world of the
social misfit. The losers, nut cases, whack jobs, and social
outcasts. My few flirtations with this world seem to support this
perception (you know me! . Is it any wonder, then, that a few may
finally lose it? As usual, the media is jes flogging some old item
for sensationalism's sake. IOW, jes dirty laundry.

nb

sf > wrote in
:

>
> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
>
> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-s...-hells-kitchen
> -and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
>
> <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-c...d-gordon-ramsa
> y-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>
>
>


Don't know about the sheila, but the guy was obviously heading 'down the
river' anyways with his failed restaurant. Seems even a makeover and helping
hand from Ramsey wasn't enough for him to get out of debt and run a
successful business. Some people should just stick to being employee's,
rather than try to be an employer.


--
Peter Lucas
Hobart
Tasmania

The act of feeding someone is an act of beauty,
whether it's a full Sunday roast or a jam sandwich,
but only when done with love.

On Sep 29, 11:33*am, sf > wrote:
> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
> one of his shows in the past. *Obviously they were unstable, you don't
> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
>
> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitc...>
>
> <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ra...>
>
> --
>
> Never trust a dog to watch your food.

This latest one was also having an affair with his pastry chef, in
addition to being recently arrested for having cocaine. His biggest
problem wasn't Ramsey.

N.

On 9/29/2010 6:33 AM, sf wrote:
>
> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
>
> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
>
> <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ramsay-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>
>
>

The restaurant business is a tough business and guys that own
restaurants are driven people. Personally, I don't know how they can
cope with the work schedule but it's gotta be a big burden when your
eatery can't make ends meet and you're looking to be shut down. My guess
is that this were the conditions Mr. Cerniglia was facing.

I know of one restaurant owner that offed himself - I'm pretty sure Mr.
Ramsey never got to yell at him since this was 30 years ago. He drove to
a beach and stuck a hose leading from his exhaust pipe into his car. He
did this partially so that his wife and kids would get the insurance
money. Maybe by this time, his kids will be getting a grip on his
selfish act and all the things that was taken from them - or maybe not.
Maybe they never will.

"Aussie" > wrote in message
5...

> Don't know about the sheila, but the guy was obviously heading 'down the
> river' anyways with his failed restaurant. Seems even a makeover and
> helping
> hand from Ramsey wasn't enough for him to get out of debt and run a
> successful business. Some people should just stick to being employee's,
> rather than try to be an employer.

That seems counter to the facts.

"But Cerniglia's sister Danielle Wynn was horrified at suggestions that the
chef's tragic end was in any way linked to his TV savaging.

Instead she insisted his brush with Ramsay was one of the best things that
ever happened to him - and in fact meant his business was doing better than
ever."

<http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/news/article_1587950.php/Sister-of-suicide-chef-insists-he-loved-being-on-Gordon-Ramsay-s-TV-show>


According to the NY Post(but you must consider the source) marital troubles
and drugs might be a factor:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...YR1X7RAHrJECLO


It's not like people who appear on the shows don't know what's going on.
Most of the yelling and such is staged for the sake of drama.




Brian
--
Day 602 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project.

"Default User" > wrote in
:


>
> Actually, the restaurant is still in business and doing well. And, as
> one news report said:
>
> "Since his television debut three years ago, Cerniglia's star was on the
> rise. He claimed the top honor in Chef Central's Ultimate Chef Bergen
> County and in 2010 was hailed as one of the Garden State's finest five
> chefs by Inside Jersey magazine."
>
> You really have to stretch to blame Ramsay for this.
>



Wonder if we'll ever hear the truth as to why he jumped?



--
Peter Lucas
Hobart
Tasmania

The act of feeding someone is an act of beauty,
whether it's a full Sunday roast or a jam sandwich,
but only when done with love.

On 9/29/2010 10:12 AM, Default User wrote:
> > wrote in message
> 5...
>
>> Don't know about the sheila, but the guy was obviously heading 'down the
>> river' anyways with his failed restaurant. Seems even a makeover and
>> helping
>> hand from Ramsey wasn't enough for him to get out of debt and run a
>> successful business. Some people should just stick to being employee's,
>> rather than try to be an employer.
>
> That seems counter to the facts.
>
> "But Cerniglia's sister Danielle Wynn was horrified at suggestions that the
> chef's tragic end was in any way linked to his TV savaging.
>
> Instead she insisted his brush with Ramsay was one of the best things that
> ever happened to him - and in fact meant his business was doing better than
> ever."
>
> <http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/news/article_1587950.php/Sister-of-suicide-chef-insists-he-loved-being-on-Gordon-Ramsay-s-TV-show>
>
>
> According to the NY Post(but you must consider the source) marital troubles
> and drugs might be a factor:
>
> http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...YR1X7RAHrJECLO
>
>
> It's not like people who appear on the shows don't know what's going on.
> Most of the yelling and such is staged for the sake of drama.

The reality is that reality shows are not real. The second reality is
that the only thing people will remember about all this is that there
was a TV cooking show that had a chef so abusive that it caused people
to kill themselves. That's the breaks. :-)

>
>
>
>
> Brian

On 2010-09-29, Aussie > wrote:
>
> Think of "The Price is Right"....... it's been running in the US for 38
> years. How many contestants/audience members from that show have offed
> themselves over those 38 years?

If I hadda be a viewer/audience member of that show, Idda offed myself
37 yrs ago!

nb

"Default User" > wrote in
:

> "Aussie" > wrote in message
> 5...
>
>> Don't know about the sheila, but the guy was obviously heading 'down
>> the river' anyways with his failed restaurant. Seems even a makeover
>> and helping
>> hand from Ramsey wasn't enough for him to get out of debt and run a
>> successful business. Some people should just stick to being employee's,
>> rather than try to be an employer.
>
> That seems counter to the facts.


I only went on what I saw on the his particular episode (one of the very
few that I've watched).


>
> "But Cerniglia's sister Danielle Wynn was horrified at suggestions that
> the chef's tragic end was in any way linked to his TV savaging.
>
> Instead she insisted his brush with Ramsay was one of the best things
> that ever happened to him - and in fact meant his business was doing
> better than ever."
>
> <http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/news/article_
1587950.php/Sister
> -of-suicide-chef-insists-he-loved-being-on-Gordon-Ramsay-s-TV-show>
>
>
> According to the NY Post(but you must consider the source) marital
> troubles and drugs might be a factor:
>
> http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...ecret_honey_fT
Z
> PBfGcYR1X7RAHrJECLO
>
>
> It's not like people who appear on the shows don't know what's going on.
> Most of the yelling and such is staged for the sake of drama.
>


Thanks for the extra info........ drugs and a failing marriage will do
that to some people.


But I see what you mean about "the source".......

"The striking brunette cannoli-stuffer" and "The 39-year-old chef and
owner of Campania was carrying on a sweet romance with Jessica Marotta,
his much younger, cookie-cutting cutie"


I take it the NY Post is a bit of a 'rag'?


--
Peter Lucas
Hobart
Tasmania

The act of feeding someone is an act of beauty,
whether it's a full Sunday roast or a jam sandwich,
but only when done with love.

On 30/09/2010 6:14 AM, Aussie wrote:
> "Default > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>
>> Actually, the restaurant is still in business and doing well. And, as
>> one news report said:
>>
>> "Since his television debut three years ago, Cerniglia's star was on the
>> rise. He claimed the top honor in Chef Central's Ultimate Chef Bergen
>> County and in 2010 was hailed as one of the Garden State's finest five
>> chefs by Inside Jersey magazine."
>>
>> You really have to stretch to blame Ramsay for this.
>>
>
>
>
> Wonder if we'll ever hear the truth as to why he jumped?
>
>
>
I doubt it. The only person who can answer that question is the jumper
himself and he's in no position to do so any more. The "truth" from any
other source is mere speculation and conjecture!

Krypsis

Krypsis > wrote in news:4ca3a412$0$3033$afc38c87
@news.optusnet.com.au:

> On 30/09/2010 6:14 AM, Aussie wrote:
>> "Default > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Actually, the restaurant is still in business and doing well. And, as
>>> one news report said:
>>>
>>> "Since his television debut three years ago, Cerniglia's star was on
the
>>> rise. He claimed the top honor in Chef Central's Ultimate Chef Bergen
>>> County and in 2010 was hailed as one of the Garden State's finest five
>>> chefs by Inside Jersey magazine."
>>>
>>> You really have to stretch to blame Ramsay for this.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wonder if we'll ever hear the truth as to why he jumped?
>>
>>
>>
> I doubt it. The only person who can answer that question is the jumper
> himself and he's in no position to do so any more. The "truth" from any
> other source is mere speculation and conjecture!
>


Yeah, s'pose so.

But as he was a confirmed (arrested and charged) drug taker/addict.....


--
Peter Lucas
Hobart
Tasmania

The act of feeding someone is an act of beauty,
whether it's a full Sunday roast or a jam sandwich,
but only when done with love.

"Aussie" > wrote in message
5...

> I take it the NY Post is a bit of a 'rag'?

It's a Murdoch publication.



Brian
--
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On 30/09/2010 6:48 AM, Aussie wrote:
> > wrote in news:4ca3a412$0$3033$afc38c87
> @news.optusnet.com.au:
>
>> On 30/09/2010 6:14 AM, Aussie wrote:
>>> "Default > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually, the restaurant is still in business and doing well. And, as
>>>> one news report said:
>>>>
>>>> "Since his television debut three years ago, Cerniglia's star was on
> the
>>>> rise. He claimed the top honor in Chef Central's Ultimate Chef Bergen
>>>> County and in 2010 was hailed as one of the Garden State's finest five
>>>> chefs by Inside Jersey magazine."
>>>>
>>>> You really have to stretch to blame Ramsay for this.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wonder if we'll ever hear the truth as to why he jumped?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I doubt it. The only person who can answer that question is the jumper
>> himself and he's in no position to do so any more. The "truth" from any
>> other source is mere speculation and conjecture!
>>
>
>
> Yeah, s'pose so.
>
> But as he was a confirmed (arrested and charged) drug taker/addict.....
>
>
That could be a symptom rather than a cause of depression.

Krypsis

On 30/09/2010 6:52 AM, Default User wrote:
> > wrote in message
> 5...
>
>> I take it the NY Post is a bit of a 'rag'?
>
> It's a Murdoch publication.
>
> Brian

Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more! ;-)

Krypsis

"Default User" > wrote in news:8ghn9bFnhpU1
@mid.individual.net:

> "Aussie" > wrote in message
> 5...
>
>> I take it the NY Post is a bit of a 'rag'?
>
> It's a Murdoch publication.
>


Say no more!!

After the most recent Murdoch debacle/setup..........

http://tinyurl.com/2untovm

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment...och-announces-
wrong-name-as-next-top-model-contest-winner/story-e6frfmyi-1225931948885


http://www.news.com.au/entertainment...ounced-as-top-
model-contest-winner/story-e6frfmyi-1225931389439


--
Peter Lucas
Hobart
Tasmania

The act of feeding someone is an act of beauty,
whether it's a full Sunday roast or a jam sandwich,
but only when done with love.

I watch Ramsey's program.

I like it.

I like it because he tells the truth. I like it because he confronts
owner/operators with the truth and holds up a mirror. I guess no one
notices that, that he does not give specific instructions as how to operate,
manage, but only to show the owner/operators how things work when you do it
THIS way.

Some of these people should NEVER EVER have gone into the restaurant
business.

I would NEVER EVER consider going into a restaurant business. I have owned
bars, and the profit margin is much greater. The management and success of
a restaurant is based on so many unpredictable and predictable things. Food
spoils, booze doesn't.

Mr. Ramsey's show deals with the restaurants that are just about to go over
the falls, so it is apparent that there has been a failure on one or more of
the component parts.

When you hear why some of these people went into the restaurant business,
and what they have spent money on, and how they have squandered profits, and
all of what the general business population would call "bad choices", it is
apparent that a lot of them are self indulgent creeps who have an
inheritance, or some other source of funds who want to set up their own
little living room situation every evening. There are a lot of them who
insist that mingling with the crowd is more important than good food.

All Gordon Ramsey does is hold up a mirror. How the restaurant owner takes
that impression is up to them. They are getting a HUGE consultant service
essentially for free, and yet a lot of them totally disregard it.

I am very happy to see the shows where they go back and visit the
restaurants a year later, and the owners/operators have learned to operate
the business, or at least live within their income.

When someone commits suicide, there is always the category of blame. The
truth of the matter is that the person would have committed suicide anyway,
regardless of who they claim to have caused it. It's always someone else's
fault, according to the person committing suicide.

There is no blame or fault at all. There isn't even any responsibility.
It's merely a personal choice that some people still cannot even after death
take responsibility for, as they have had a life full of bad personal
choices, and it has ALWAYS been someone else's fault.

I speak from personal experience.

Steve

>> As much as I think Ramsey is a pretentious prick,
>
> You got that right!

Most expert business consultants are perceived as just that. The customer
wants another rubber stamp, and they don't get it.

Steve

How will you hear the truth is the only one who knows it is dead?

On 29/09/2010 4:27 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> The reality is that reality shows are not real. The second reality is
> that the only thing people will remember about all this is that there
> was a TV cooking show that had a chef so abusive that it caused people
> to kill themselves. That's the breaks. :-)


There are a lot of reasons not to waste one's time watching "reality"
shows. Seeing Gordon Ramsey on one would be at the top of the list. I
Can't stand the guy and don't know why people tolerate him.

Gorio > wrote in
:

>
> Aussie;1533341 Wrote:
>> "Default User" wrote in
>> :
>>
>> -
>>
>> Actually, the restaurant is still in business and doing well. And, as
>> one news report said:
>>
>> "Since his television debut three years ago, Cerniglia's star was on
>> the
>> rise. He claimed the top honor in Chef Central's Ultimate Chef Bergen
>> County and in 2010 was hailed as one of the Garden State's finest five
>> chefs by Inside Jersey magazine."
>>
>> You really have to stretch to blame Ramsay for this.
>> -
>>
>>
>>
>> Wonder if we'll ever hear the truth as to why he jumped?
>>

>
> How will you hear the truth is the only one who knows it is dead?
>


Oh well, we'll just have to get Jennifer Love Hewitt to have a chat with
him then.




--
Peter Lucas
Hobart
Tasmania

The act of feeding someone is an act of beauty,
whether it's a full Sunday roast or a jam sandwich,
but only when done with love.

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
> The
>> truth of the matter is that the person would have committed suicide
>> anyway,
>> regardless of who they claim to have caused it. It's always someone
>> else's
>> fault, according to the person committing suicide.
>
> Actually, that isn't true at all. Many suicides are mentally ill people
> overwhelmed by the completely irrational feelings of guilt shame and
> inadequacy which are symptomatic of many mental disorders. Such people
> often entirely blame themselves (even for events totally beyond their
> control).
>
> Janet.

Very true, and I missed that point.

Steve

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 29/09/2010 4:27 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> The reality is that reality shows are not real. The second reality is
>> that the only thing people will remember about all this is that there
>> was a TV cooking show that had a chef so abusive that it caused people
>> to kill themselves. That's the breaks. :-)
>
>
> There are a lot of reasons not to waste one's time watching "reality"
> shows. Seeing Gordon Ramsey on one would be at the top of the list. I
> Can't stand the guy and don't know why people tolerate him.

I watch him to learn. If I was to work with him, I would have a brief
discussion as to how he would be allowed to speak to me. If you have ever
watched the program, you know that the assertive people on the show do take
the time to speak to him about his style, but they cannot fault what he says
about business and cooking.

Even though currently, he doesn't seem to be doing great in business. I'd
say he is just living beyond his means, and if he was to give up the
Lamborghini and other expensive items in his life, that he could still live
very comfortably.

It's a math thing.

Steve

On 9/30/2010 2:47 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 29/09/2010 4:27 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> The reality is that reality shows are not real. The second reality is
>> that the only thing people will remember about all this is that there
>> was a TV cooking show that had a chef so abusive that it caused people
>> to kill themselves. That's the breaks. :-)
>
>
> There are a lot of reasons not to waste one's time watching "reality"
> shows. Seeing Gordon Ramsey on one would be at the top of the list. I
> Can't stand the guy and don't know why people tolerate him.

I don't watch "reality" shows which has as its main motif conflict and
abuse - they have a surrealistic, scripted, quality about them and would
probably qualify as hoaxes. They are however, popular shows. My guess is
that our society is attracted to the repulsive. Add food and cooking to
the mix and I'm not watching in droves. :-)

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 29/09/2010 4:27 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> The reality is that reality shows are not real. The second reality is
>> that the only thing people will remember about all this is that there
>> was a TV cooking show that had a chef so abusive that it caused people
>> to kill themselves. That's the breaks. :-)
>
>
> There are a lot of reasons not to waste one's time watching "reality"
> shows. Seeing Gordon Ramsey on one would be at the top of the list. I
> Can't stand the guy and don't know why people tolerate him.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. I like his shows. That's why TV
comes with more than one channel.



Brian
--
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> I don't watch "reality" shows which has as its main motif conflict and
> abuse - they have a surrealistic, scripted, quality about them and would
> probably qualify as hoaxes. They are however, popular shows. My guess is
> that our society is attracted to the repulsive. Add food and cooking to
> the mix and I'm not watching in droves. :-)

There are reality shows out there that don't fit your stereotypical
uninformed generalization - ones that are there to inform and
educate. But believe what you like.

N.

On 9/30/2010 8:20 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>
>
>> I don't watch "reality" shows which has as its main motif conflict and
>> abuse - they have a surrealistic, scripted, quality about them and would
>> probably qualify as hoaxes. They are however, popular shows. My guess is
>> that our society is attracted to the repulsive. Add food and cooking to
>> the mix and I'm not watching in droves. :-)
>
> There are reality shows out there that don't fit your stereotypical
> uninformed generalization - ones that are there to inform and
> educate. But believe what you like.
>
> N.

OK, let me put you down on the "likes to insult" box. :-) I admit that
I'm somewhat ignorant about what's going on in television but you don't
have to be mean. Perhaps you've been watching this show too much. :-)

Why not give suggestions on some good, wholesome, reality shows? Thanks!

On Sep 30, 1:52*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
> On 9/30/2010 8:20 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>
>
>
> >> I don't watch "reality" shows which has as its main motif conflict and
> >> abuse - they have a surrealistic, scripted, quality about them and would
> >> probably qualify as hoaxes. They are however, popular shows. My guess is
> >> that our society is attracted to the repulsive. Add food and cooking to
> >> the mix and I'm not watching in droves. :-)
>
> > There are reality shows out there that don't fit your stereotypical
> > uninformed generalization - ones that are there to inform and
> > educate. *But believe what you like.
>
> > N.
>
> OK, let me put you down on the "likes to insult" box. :-) *I admit that
> I'm somewhat ignorant about what's going on in television but you don't
> have to be mean. Perhaps you've been watching this show too much. :-)
>
> Why not give suggestions on some good, wholesome, reality shows? Thanks!

Oops, I guess I took my mean pill. I don't ever watch Ramsey, for
one, because he is too confrontational, and those types of
confrontations make me uncomfortable and aren't pleasant to watch.

History and Nat Geo both have shows that are about architecture,
building stuff, how things work, how factories operate, etc.

HGTV has shows about making over the outsides and insides of rooms and
homes and landscaping and how to find a new place to live either here
or somewhere else.

Discovery has shows about debunking myths along with some other
"adventure" type stuff.

There are multiple programs on various channels about various careers
and the people who do them (Dirty Jobs is one).

And even some that are competitions really aren't confrontational
(many of the food shows on Bravo, FTV, TLC, etc.).

Animal Planet has shows about rescue operations, wildlife expeditions,
etc., and last season, had one on the "last American cowboys about 3
ranching families (I think in Montana). There was also a single
season one about rodeo competition and rodeo stars.

And there's always Billy the Exterminator (A & E) and there was
Verminators (Discovery), both confrontational, yes, but human vs.
critter. LOL.

However, you pays yer money and you takes yer choice, and if your
choice is not to watch them, then who's to say that's wrong.

N.

On 9/30/2010 9:46 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
> On Sep 30, 1:52 pm, > wrote:
>> On 9/30/2010 8:20 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> I don't watch "reality" shows which has as its main motif conflict and
>>>> abuse - they have a surrealistic, scripted, quality about them and would
>>>> probably qualify as hoaxes. They are however, popular shows. My guess is
>>>> that our society is attracted to the repulsive. Add food and cooking to
>>>> the mix and I'm not watching in droves. :-)
>>
>>> There are reality shows out there that don't fit your stereotypical
>>> uninformed generalization - ones that are there to inform and
>>> educate. But believe what you like.
>>
>>> N.
>>
>> OK, let me put you down on the "likes to insult" box. :-) I admit that
>> I'm somewhat ignorant about what's going on in television but you don't
>> have to be mean. Perhaps you've been watching this show too much. :-)
>>
>> Why not give suggestions on some good, wholesome, reality shows? Thanks!
>
> Oops, I guess I took my mean pill. I don't ever watch Ramsey, for
> one, because he is too confrontational, and those types of
> confrontations make me uncomfortable and aren't pleasant to watch.
>
> History and Nat Geo both have shows that are about architecture,
> building stuff, how things work, how factories operate, etc.
>
> HGTV has shows about making over the outsides and insides of rooms and
> homes and landscaping and how to find a new place to live either here
> or somewhere else.
>
> Discovery has shows about debunking myths along with some other
> "adventure" type stuff.
>
> There are multiple programs on various channels about various careers
> and the people who do them (Dirty Jobs is one).
>
> And even some that are competitions really aren't confrontational
> (many of the food shows on Bravo, FTV, TLC, etc.).
>
> Animal Planet has shows about rescue operations, wildlife expeditions,
> etc., and last season, had one on the "last American cowboys about 3
> ranching families (I think in Montana). There was also a single
> season one about rodeo competition and rodeo stars.
>
> And there's always Billy the Exterminator (A& E) and there was
> Verminators (Discovery), both confrontational, yes, but human vs.
> critter. LOL.
>
> However, you pays yer money and you takes yer choice, and if your
> choice is not to watch them, then who's to say that's wrong.
>
> N.

I like Dirty Jobs - the TV series, not the real life ones. Billy the
Exterminator is OK - I should watch it more because there's probably
some useful information on that series. I used to watch "Dog the Bounty
Hunter." My wife can't bear to watch it but I have a strange fascination
with grown men sobbing like little schoolgirls...

On 2010-09-30, Nancy2 > wrote:

> Oops, I guess I took my mean pill. I don't ever watch Ramsey, for
> one, because he is too confrontational.....

I don't watch all his shows, but I think Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares
is absolutely hilarious. I find myself doubled over and convulsing
with laughter. There's no way he could be too confrontational with
some of these morons. Almost all of them are so far gone, or were
never there, Gordon's advice is totally wasted and they'll never save
their businesses. Follow-ups bear the out. Most are so unbelievably
arrogant, they make Gordon look like a saint in comparison. "People
want my chocolate shrimp etouffe!"

Gordon is always asking questions and getting the most unbelievable
answers. I forget the question, but it revealed one "head chef" had
never even cooked a fish! For the love of god, no wonder Gordon
screams at these bozos. Some of these restauranteurs are so stupid,
they shouldn't be cursed or shouted at, they should be shot!!

They should rename the series, Retards With Restaurants.

nb

some useful information on that series. I used to watch "Dog the
Bounty
> Hunter." My wife can't bear to watch it but I have a strange fascination
> with grown men sobbing like little schoolgirls...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

....twisted. I like that in a person. LOL.

N.

> They should rename the series, Retards With Restaurants. *
>
> nb

....except that wouldn't be PC, doncha know.

N.

On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:45:25 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> Gordon is always asking questions and getting the most unbelievable
> answers. I forget the question, but it revealed one "head chef" had
> never even cooked a fish! For the love of god, no wonder Gordon
> screams at these bozos. Some of these restauranteurs are so stupid,
> they shouldn't be cursed or shouted at, they should be shot!!

Did you see the one where some British "owner and self appointed chef"
used food that came in cryovac packages but still couldn't get it out
to the customer in a reasonable amount of time? The food was stored
in boxes on shelves, not even refrigerated! I guess they made good
MRE's. Fortunately, his daughter knew how to cook and was willing to
take over, so they "fired" the owner as chef and his DD took over as
head chef. On return visit, dad had screwed up again but DD was
soldiering on and apparently the place was doing pretty well. Happy
ending.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On 30/09/2010 12:00 PM, Steve B wrote:

>>
>> There are a lot of reasons not to waste one's time watching "reality"
>> shows. Seeing Gordon Ramsey on one would be at the top of the list. I
>> Can't stand the guy and don't know why people tolerate him.
>
> I watch him to learn. If I was to work with him, I would have a brief
> discussion as to how he would be allowed to speak to me.


It's 'reality" TV. It's not about what he would be allowed to say to
you. It is about his abrasive personality reaming people who are trying
hard. It seems to sell in some sectors.



> If you have ever
> watched the program, you know that the assertive people on the show do take
> the time to speak to him about his style, but they cannot fault what he says
> about business and cooking.


Heaven help me if I ever find myself in a position where I had to put up
with someone who treated me the way Ramsey treats people. The closest I
can recall is the partner of a friend of mine who I was helping when
they opened up a restaurant back in the 70s. I thought I was doing them
a favour by helping them out. I walked out.

On 9/30/2010 11:16 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
> some useful information on that series. I used to watch "Dog the
> Bounty
>> Hunter." My wife can't bear to watch it but I have a strange fascination
>> with grown men sobbing like little schoolgirls...- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> ...twisted. I like that in a person. LOL.
>
> N.

Twisted - you'd be surprised at how often I get that reaction from
people. Then again, maybe not. I'll have to check out Mr. Ramsey's
program - has he ever bawled like a little schoolgirl on his show? That
would be cool. :-)