Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.

<http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>

<http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ramsay-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>


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On 2010-09-29, sf > wrote:

> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.

If they did, past Gordon contestant corpses would be littering the
countryside on both sides of the pond.

nb

"sf" > wrote in message
...
>
> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.

This guy was on like three years ago. I don't see any real connection to the
show.



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sf wrote:
>
> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.

I wonder what the suicide rate among restauranteurs
normally is. Two might be an expected number.

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> sf wrote:
>>
>> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
>> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
>> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
>
> I wonder what the suicide rate among restauranteurs
> normally is. Two might be an expected number.

That's a decent point. There have been a lot people that went through
Ramsay's various shows, most of them working in a stressful situation. That
being said, the most common reason for suicide is clinical depression. Too
often, a person "with everything going for them" will end their life, to the
surprise of even people close to them.



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sf > wrote in
:

>
> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
>
> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-s...-hells-kitchen
> -and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
>
> <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-c...d-gordon-ramsa
> y-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>
>
>


Don't know about the sheila, but the guy was obviously heading 'down the
river' anyways with his failed restaurant. Seems even a makeover and helping
hand from Ramsey wasn't enough for him to get out of debt and run a
successful business. Some people should just stick to being employee's,
rather than try to be an employer.


--
Peter Lucas
Hobart
Tasmania

The act of feeding someone is an act of beauty,
whether it's a full Sunday roast or a jam sandwich,
but only when done with love.

"Aussie" > wrote in message
5...

> Don't know about the sheila, but the guy was obviously heading 'down the
> river' anyways with his failed restaurant. Seems even a makeover and
> helping
> hand from Ramsey wasn't enough for him to get out of debt and run a
> successful business. Some people should just stick to being employee's,
> rather than try to be an employer.

That seems counter to the facts.

"But Cerniglia's sister Danielle Wynn was horrified at suggestions that the
chef's tragic end was in any way linked to his TV savaging.

Instead she insisted his brush with Ramsay was one of the best things that
ever happened to him - and in fact meant his business was doing better than
ever."

<http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/news/article_1587950.php/Sister-of-suicide-chef-insists-he-loved-being-on-Gordon-Ramsay-s-TV-show>


According to the NY Post(but you must consider the source) marital troubles
and drugs might be a factor:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...YR1X7RAHrJECLO


It's not like people who appear on the shows don't know what's going on.
Most of the yelling and such is staged for the sake of drama.




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On 9/29/2010 10:12 AM, Default User wrote:
> > wrote in message
> 5...
>
>> Don't know about the sheila, but the guy was obviously heading 'down the
>> river' anyways with his failed restaurant. Seems even a makeover and
>> helping
>> hand from Ramsey wasn't enough for him to get out of debt and run a
>> successful business. Some people should just stick to being employee's,
>> rather than try to be an employer.
>
> That seems counter to the facts.
>
> "But Cerniglia's sister Danielle Wynn was horrified at suggestions that the
> chef's tragic end was in any way linked to his TV savaging.
>
> Instead she insisted his brush with Ramsay was one of the best things that
> ever happened to him - and in fact meant his business was doing better than
> ever."
>
> <http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/news/article_1587950.php/Sister-of-suicide-chef-insists-he-loved-being-on-Gordon-Ramsay-s-TV-show>
>
>
> According to the NY Post(but you must consider the source) marital troubles
> and drugs might be a factor:
>
> http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...YR1X7RAHrJECLO
>
>
> It's not like people who appear on the shows don't know what's going on.
> Most of the yelling and such is staged for the sake of drama.

The reality is that reality shows are not real. The second reality is
that the only thing people will remember about all this is that there
was a TV cooking show that had a chef so abusive that it caused people
to kill themselves. That's the breaks. :-)

>
>
>
>
> Brian

On 29/09/2010 4:27 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> The reality is that reality shows are not real. The second reality is
> that the only thing people will remember about all this is that there
> was a TV cooking show that had a chef so abusive that it caused people
> to kill themselves. That's the breaks. :-)


There are a lot of reasons not to waste one's time watching "reality"
shows. Seeing Gordon Ramsey on one would be at the top of the list. I
Can't stand the guy and don't know why people tolerate him.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 29/09/2010 4:27 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> The reality is that reality shows are not real. The second reality is
>> that the only thing people will remember about all this is that there
>> was a TV cooking show that had a chef so abusive that it caused people
>> to kill themselves. That's the breaks. :-)
>
>
> There are a lot of reasons not to waste one's time watching "reality"
> shows. Seeing Gordon Ramsey on one would be at the top of the list. I
> Can't stand the guy and don't know why people tolerate him.

I watch him to learn. If I was to work with him, I would have a brief
discussion as to how he would be allowed to speak to me. If you have ever
watched the program, you know that the assertive people on the show do take
the time to speak to him about his style, but they cannot fault what he says
about business and cooking.

Even though currently, he doesn't seem to be doing great in business. I'd
say he is just living beyond his means, and if he was to give up the
Lamborghini and other expensive items in his life, that he could still live
very comfortably.

It's a math thing.

Steve

On 9/30/2010 2:47 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 29/09/2010 4:27 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> The reality is that reality shows are not real. The second reality is
>> that the only thing people will remember about all this is that there
>> was a TV cooking show that had a chef so abusive that it caused people
>> to kill themselves. That's the breaks. :-)
>
>
> There are a lot of reasons not to waste one's time watching "reality"
> shows. Seeing Gordon Ramsey on one would be at the top of the list. I
> Can't stand the guy and don't know why people tolerate him.

I don't watch "reality" shows which has as its main motif conflict and
abuse - they have a surrealistic, scripted, quality about them and would
probably qualify as hoaxes. They are however, popular shows. My guess is
that our society is attracted to the repulsive. Add food and cooking to
the mix and I'm not watching in droves. :-)

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 29/09/2010 4:27 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> The reality is that reality shows are not real. The second reality is
>> that the only thing people will remember about all this is that there
>> was a TV cooking show that had a chef so abusive that it caused people
>> to kill themselves. That's the breaks. :-)
>
>
> There are a lot of reasons not to waste one's time watching "reality"
> shows. Seeing Gordon Ramsey on one would be at the top of the list. I
> Can't stand the guy and don't know why people tolerate him.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. I like his shows. That's why TV
comes with more than one channel.



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"Default User" > wrote in
:

> "Aussie" > wrote in message
> 5...
>
>> Don't know about the sheila, but the guy was obviously heading 'down
>> the river' anyways with his failed restaurant. Seems even a makeover
>> and helping
>> hand from Ramsey wasn't enough for him to get out of debt and run a
>> successful business. Some people should just stick to being employee's,
>> rather than try to be an employer.
>
> That seems counter to the facts.


I only went on what I saw on the his particular episode (one of the very
few that I've watched).


>
> "But Cerniglia's sister Danielle Wynn was horrified at suggestions that
> the chef's tragic end was in any way linked to his TV savaging.
>
> Instead she insisted his brush with Ramsay was one of the best things
> that ever happened to him - and in fact meant his business was doing
> better than ever."
>
> <http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/news/article_
1587950.php/Sister
> -of-suicide-chef-insists-he-loved-being-on-Gordon-Ramsay-s-TV-show>
>
>
> According to the NY Post(but you must consider the source) marital
> troubles and drugs might be a factor:
>
> http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...ecret_honey_fT
Z
> PBfGcYR1X7RAHrJECLO
>
>
> It's not like people who appear on the shows don't know what's going on.
> Most of the yelling and such is staged for the sake of drama.
>


Thanks for the extra info........ drugs and a failing marriage will do
that to some people.


But I see what you mean about "the source".......

"The striking brunette cannoli-stuffer" and "The 39-year-old chef and
owner of Campania was carrying on a sweet romance with Jessica Marotta,
his much younger, cookie-cutting cutie"


I take it the NY Post is a bit of a 'rag'?


--
Peter Lucas
Hobart
Tasmania

The act of feeding someone is an act of beauty,
whether it's a full Sunday roast or a jam sandwich,
but only when done with love.

"Aussie" > wrote in message
5...

> I take it the NY Post is a bit of a 'rag'?

It's a Murdoch publication.



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On 30/09/2010 6:52 AM, Default User wrote:
> > wrote in message
> 5...
>
>> I take it the NY Post is a bit of a 'rag'?
>
> It's a Murdoch publication.
>
> Brian

Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more! ;-)

Krypsis

"Default User" > wrote in news:8ghn9bFnhpU1
@mid.individual.net:

> "Aussie" > wrote in message
> 5...
>
>> I take it the NY Post is a bit of a 'rag'?
>
> It's a Murdoch publication.
>


Say no more!!

After the most recent Murdoch debacle/setup..........

http://tinyurl.com/2untovm

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment...och-announces-
wrong-name-as-next-top-model-contest-winner/story-e6frfmyi-1225931948885


http://www.news.com.au/entertainment...ounced-as-top-
model-contest-winner/story-e6frfmyi-1225931389439


--
Peter Lucas
Hobart
Tasmania

The act of feeding someone is an act of beauty,
whether it's a full Sunday roast or a jam sandwich,
but only when done with love.

On 9/29/2010 6:33 AM, sf wrote:
>
> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
>
> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
>
> <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ramsay-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>
>
>

The restaurant business is a tough business and guys that own
restaurants are driven people. Personally, I don't know how they can
cope with the work schedule but it's gotta be a big burden when your
eatery can't make ends meet and you're looking to be shut down. My guess
is that this were the conditions Mr. Cerniglia was facing.

I know of one restaurant owner that offed himself - I'm pretty sure Mr.
Ramsey never got to yell at him since this was 30 years ago. He drove to
a beach and stuck a hose leading from his exhaust pipe into his car. He
did this partially so that his wife and kids would get the insurance
money. Maybe by this time, his kids will be getting a grip on his
selfish act and all the things that was taken from them - or maybe not.
Maybe they never will.

On Sep 29, 11:33*am, sf > wrote:
> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
> one of his shows in the past. *Obviously they were unstable, you don't
> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
>
> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitc...>
>
> <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ra...>
>
> --
>
> Never trust a dog to watch your food.

This latest one was also having an affair with his pastry chef, in
addition to being recently arrested for having cocaine. His biggest
problem wasn't Ramsey.

N.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
>
> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
>
> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
>
> <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ramsay-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>
>
>

The only reason this is linked is because he was on 'Kitchen Nigtmares'
which brought him in contact with Gordon Ramsay (which, BTW, I wish people
would spell correctly! It's Ramsay, not Ramsey.) I'm pretty sure this guy
was in way over his head even before he came into contact with Ramsay. The
guy (Cerneglia) was unstable to begin with and failing in the restaurant
business just put him over the top.

Restaurants are hard work. I sure as hell wouldn't work in one again.
Forget about owning one!

Jill

jmcquown wrote:

> The only reason this is linked is because he was on 'Kitchen
> Nigtmares' which brought him in contact with Gordon Ramsay (which,
> BTW, I wish people would spell correctly! It's Ramsay, not Ramsey.)
> I'm pretty sure this guy was in way over his head even before he came
> into contact with Ramsay. The guy (Cerneglia) was unstable to begin
> with and failing in the restaurant business just put him over the top.

I caught an interview where the guy's sister says Gordon and he
kept in touch and were friends. Just in case there was any lingering
doubt Gordon's restaurant makeover had anything to do with the
suicide. The sister says they have been much more successful
since the show.

I haven't seen all the episodes of the show but I caught that one.
If memory serves, people were routinely asking for takeout containers
before they even ate a bite because he served enormous plates that
were piled with food. And not charging all that much.

nancy

I've been wondering which show it was. I saw that one, too. The decor was ho-hum and poeple just showed up because it was a double meal.

Thanks. Although I'd rather not watch his abrasive tactics, G. Ramsay does provide a much-needed wake up call to manydecen chefs who have either lost their direction or are so intent on seeing their dreams work out, without comprimise, that they are captaining sinking ships.

Interesting show. Just have to be int he mood. House Hunters Intl. and No Reservations are my favs.

Gorio wrote:
> 'Nancy Young[_2_ Wrote:

>> I haven't seen all the episodes of the show but I caught that one.
>> If memory serves, people were routinely asking for takeout containers
>> before they even ate a bite because he served enormous plates that
>> were piled with food. And not charging all that much.

> I've been wondering which show it was. I saw that one, too. The decor
> was ho-hum and poeple just showed up because it was a double meal.

Exactly. I eat out pretty often so I'm accustomed to the size of
restaurant meals and I'm one to take leftovers home ... these
plates he was serving were huge even to me. Like platters.

> Thanks. Although I'd rather not watch his abrasive tactics, G. Ramsay
> does provide a much-needed wake up call to manydecen chefs who have
> either lost their direction or are so intent on seeing their dreams
> work out, without comprimise, that they are captaining sinking ships.

Some of them are so unreasonable that I have to chalk it up to It's a
show, they have to make it entertaining. But some of the filth I saw,
that's crazy. (laugh) I don't mean Gordon's mouth, I mean the
kitchens.

> Interesting show. Just have to be int he mood. House Hunters Intl. and
> No Reservations are my favs.

I like to watch people buying or selling houses, apparently, but I
have to watch House Hunters on DVR so I can fast forward through
the repetitive format. Always enjoy watching Anthony, too, I think
he's amusing.

nancy