On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 11:55:19 -0700 (PDT), Ciccio wrote:

> On Jul 24, 11:35*am, sf > wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 05:05:25 -0700 (PDT), Ciccio
>
>> Try practicing what you preach.
>
> I do. But I sure busted you...Too funny....You hypocrite.
>
>> Not only do you refuse to change your sig file, you're blaming others
>> for something that's entirely your own fault. *
>
> I'm not blaming anybody.Unlike you when you made a dumb mistake and
> tried blaming others. Moreover, there is no fault. as my sig line is
> *perfectly* the way I want it.
>
> Ciccio

you mean you want it to be stupid? mission accomplished.

blake

> __________________
> O.B.A.M.A.
> (One Big Ass Mistake, America)
> 44% Approval Rating Today.
>
> Recession = When your neighbors lose their jobs.
> Depression = When you lose your job.
> Recovery = When Obama loses his job.

On Jul 25, 1:01*pm, blake murphy > wrote:

> you mean you want it to be stupid? *mission accomplished.

Jeez blake, I'd rather talk about food, but if you want to go a tad
OT about Boy Wonder, who is the subject of my sig, that's OK. Your,
however, calling Obama stupid is rather harsh. After all, he did get
good grades in school.

Rather, it's just that Boy Wonder is inept and the vast majority of
American people NOW recognize that. Of course, I was wayyyy ahead of
that curve. Lots of people who voted for him said he was ahead of his
time. Well, that's what what they got...somebody whose time had not
yet come.

That is, make no mistake about it blake, Boy Wonder has smarts and
probably would have made for a good pres if he had been a Senator, and
maybe a VP, for 10-15 years, which would have allowed him to fill in
that empty suit.

BTW, welcome to ba.f. Or did you cross-post? If so, thanks for the
bigger audience. But I gotta warn you, there's a ba.f netcop bitch on
a broom about such things.

Ciccio
__________________
O.B.A.M.A.
(One Big Ass Mistake, America)
44% Approval Rating Today.

Recession = When your neighbors lose their jobs.
Depression = When you lose your job.
Recovery = When Obama loses his job.

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 14:00:52 -0700 (PDT), Ciccio wrote:

> On Jul 25, 1:01*pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> you mean you want it to be stupid? *mission accomplished.
>
> Jeez blake, I'd rather talk about food, but if you want to go a tad
> OT about Boy Wonder, who is the subject of my sig, that's OK. Your,
> however, calling Obama stupid is rather harsh. After all, he did get
> good grades in school.
>
> Rather, it's just that Boy Wonder is inept and the vast majority of
> American people NOW recognize that. Of course, I was wayyyy ahead of
> that curve. Lots of people who voted for him said he was ahead of his
> time. Well, that's what what they got...somebody whose time had not
> yet come.
>
> That is, make no mistake about it blake, Boy Wonder has smarts and
> probably would have made for a good pres if he had been a Senator, and
> maybe a VP, for 10-15 years, which would have allowed him to fill in
> that empty suit.

you know, wingnuts are rather a glut on the markets these days.

> BTW, welcome to ba.f. Or did you cross-post? If so, thanks for the
> bigger audience. But I gotta warn you, there's a ba.f netcop bitch on
> a broom about such things.
>
> Ciccio

i replied to your cross-posted post. more stupidity on your part to assume
otherwise.

blake

On Jul 26, 11:02*am, blake murphy > wrote:

> you know, wingnuts are rather a glut on the markets these days.

Jeez blake, I know Boy Wonder and HIS cadre have been ineffective, but
no need to call them wingnuts.

> i replied to your cross-posted post. *more stupidity on your part to assume
> otherwise.

Jeez blake, you stupidly assumed that I assumed otherwise. I didn't
raise the reason WHY you cross-posted, just the effect of your doing
so. So, even though you made such a dumb **** mistake, I'll give you
the benefit of the doubt and not call you a dumb ****. I hope you
will be as gracious in the future. Let's try to remain civil, 'K?

Ciccio
__________________
Obama the UNQUALIFIED
leads the UNWILLING
into the UNNECESSARY

Recession = When your neighbors lose their jobs.
Depression = When you lose your job.
Recovery = When Obama loses his job.

Ciccio's sig contained:

> Obama the UNQUALIFIED
> leads the UNWILLING
> into the UNNECESSARY
>
> Recession = When your neighbors lose their jobs.
> Depression = When you lose your job.
> Recovery = When Obama loses his job.

I noticed that you stopped including Obama's approval rating in your sig. Is
it rising?

Bob

On Jul 27, 1:05*am, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:

> I noticed that you stopped including Obama's approval rating in your sig. Is
> it rising?

When I post it, people **** and moan...When I don't post it, people
**** and moan. To answer your question it's at BIG ****ING WHOPPING
46%!!!! WHOA! A real barn burner...And a number I have previously had
on my sig, like just last week.

Now, if you don't mind...My sig, my rules. Your sig, your rules....And
that also refers to my Sig I carry in my holster, because the U.S.
Supreme Court said so...

Jeezus, do people post about food/cooking on r.f.c.? I never knew my
sigs were so popular.

Ciccio
__________________
Obama the UNQUALIFIED
leads the UNWILLING
into the UNNECESSARY

Recession = When your neighbors lose their jobs.
Depression = When you lose your job.
Recovery = When Obama loses his job.

Ciccio wrote:

> When I post it, people **** and moan...When I don't post it, people ****
> and moan. To answer your question it's at BIG ****ING WHOPPING 46%!!!!
> WHOA! A real barn burner...And a number I have previously had on my sig,
> like just last week.
>
> Now, if you don't mind...My sig, my rules. Your sig, your rules..

I was just curious as to where you got that figure, since the Gallup poll
shows Obama's approval at 46% now, but it was 48% recently and your sig
showed 46% anyway.

Here's something which got posted to RFC shortly after the inauguration:

| Dear World:
|
| We, the United States of America, your top quality supplier of ideals
| of democracy, would like to apologize for our 2001-2008 interruption
| in service. The technical fault that led to this eight-year service
| outage has been located, and the software responsible was replaced
| November 4.
|
| Early tests of the newly installed program indicate that we are now
| operating correctly, and we expect it to be fully functional from
| January 20th forward. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by the
| outage. We look forward to resuming full service and hope to improve
| in years to come.
|
| We thank you for your patience and understanding.
|
| Sincerely,
| THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA


Doesn't the innocent ignorant hope expressed there remind you of a puppy?
Where are they now, those puppy-like hopeful kids, expecting Change just
because a POLITICAL CANDIDATE *said* there would be Change?

One statistic I *particularly* love is the fact that missile strikes from
Predator UAVs have increased under Obama. was that one of the campaign
promises? Does it make the rest of the world love us the way that letter
thought they would, now that we have a "fully functional" system?

Bob

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 01:51:04 -0700 (PDT), Ciccio wrote:

> On Jul 27, 1:05*am, "Bob Terwilliger" >
> wrote:
>
>> I noticed that you stopped including Obama's approval rating in your sig. Is
>> it rising?
>
> When I post it, people **** and moan...When I don't post it, people
> **** and moan. To answer your question it's at BIG ****ING WHOPPING
> 46%!!!! WHOA! A real barn burner...And a number I have previously had
> on my sig, like just last week.
>
> Now, if you don't mind...My sig, my rules. Your sig, your rules....And
> that also refers to my Sig I carry in my holster, because the U.S.
> Supreme Court said so...
>
> Jeezus, do people post about food/cooking on r.f.c.? I never knew my
> sigs were so popular.
>
> Ciccio

yay! another internet blowhard!

blake

On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:39:02 -0700 (PDT), Ciccio wrote:

> On Jul 26, 11:02*am, blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> you know, wingnuts are rather a glut on the markets these days.
>
> Jeez blake, I know Boy Wonder and HIS cadre have been ineffective, but
> no need to call them wingnuts.
>
>> i replied to your cross-posted post. *more stupidity on your part to assume
>> otherwise.
>
> Jeez blake, you stupidly assumed that I assumed otherwise. I didn't
> raise the reason WHY you cross-posted, just the effect of your doing
> so. So, even though you made such a dumb **** mistake, I'll give you
> the benefit of the doubt and not call you a dumb ****. I hope you
> will be as gracious in the future. Let's try to remain civil, 'K?
>
> Ciccio

o.k., hows this for civil? **** off.

blake

On Jul 27, 7:27*am, blake murphy > wrote:

> o.k., hows this for civil? ***** off.

Jeez blake, I'm sensing some hostile vibes there. Those usually comes
from frustration. Well blake, let me tell you, millions of people who
voted for Boy Wonder are extremely frustrated. So, you're not alone. I
know that's not much of a consolation, but...oh well.

Ciccio
__________________
Obama the UNQUALIFIED
leads the UNWILLING
into the UNNECESSARY

Recession = When your neighbors lose their jobs.
Depression = When you lose your job.
Recovery = When Obama loses his job.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:30:16 -0700 (PDT), Ciccio wrote:

> On Jul 27, 7:27*am, blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> o.k., hows this for civil? ***** off.
>
> Jeez blake, I'm sensing some hostile vibes there. Those usually comes
> from frustration. Well blake, let me tell you, millions of people who
> voted for Boy Wonder are extremely frustrated. So, you're not alone. I
> know that's not much of a consolation, but...oh well.
>
> Ciccio

and millions like you spread bullshit about him who would never vote for
him under any circumstances.

blake

On Jul 28, 8:16*am, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:30:16 -0700 (PDT), Ciccio wrote:
> > On Jul 27, 7:27*am, blake murphy > wrote:
>
> >> o.k., hows this for civil? ***** off.
>
> > Jeez blake, I'm sensing some hostile vibes there. Those usually comes
> > from frustration. Well blake, let me tell you, *millions of people who
> > voted for Boy Wonder are extremely frustrated. So, you're not alone. I
> > know that's not much of a consolation, but...oh well.
>
> > Ciccio
>
> and millions like you spread bullshit about him

blake, you need to snap out or your denial. It's not bullshit, Boy
Wonder is inept as a pres.

> who would never vote for him under any circumstances.

Hell, if he were competent and did a good job, I'd vote for him in a
New York minute.

Ciccio
__________________
Obama the UNQUALIFIED
leads the UNWILLING
into the UNNECESSARY

Recession = When your neighbors lose their jobs.
Depression = When you lose your job.
Recovery = When Obama loses his job.

On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:25:50 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>Let's face it. Ciccio has good reason to hate Obama. Obama made
>absolutely no secret out of the fact that he was going to try to get
>business people to pay their fair share for government. They didn't
>like that and still don't. They'd rather have the middle class majority
>pay for government, like in the good old days.

Um, Ciccio aside... "business people", "fair share" and "middle class
majority" and cute terms, but not very informative. What about middle
class people who are business people? Not everyone in the middle class
is a "worker" in the Marxist sense. Some are of the bourgoisie.

(Did I just answer my own question?)

Also, what is your idea of "fair share" payment for government? How do
you rationalize your calculation? None? All? 33 2/3%? 3.1416%? Do you
tie "fair share" to income? Gross or net? I invest (am therefore part
owner) of a number of companies, who pay corporate taxes. Some are in
the energy business, and they pay taxes on oil/gas pulled out of the
ground, more taxes on pipeline transfer, and taxes on their sales.
When all the taxes are paid, some of what is left is distributed to
shlubs like me. Than I have to pay income tax on my dividends. PezBO
now wants to tax dividends with a special tax. Don't forget the taxes
like the one on gasoline, which is aimed at the buyer.....

I am middle class. My plumber is Middle Class, as is the electrician I
hire sometimes to work on my older home. I'm retired, they are both
business people.

See why you're post is unclear? I welcome your elucidation as to how
you see this thorny problem....

Alex, not accusing anyone!

On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:41:35 -0700 (PDT), Ciccio wrote:

> On Jul 28, 8:16*am, blake murphy > wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:30:16 -0700 (PDT), Ciccio wrote:
>>> On Jul 27, 7:27*am, blake murphy > wrote:
>>
>>>> o.k., hows this for civil? ***** off.
>>
>>> Jeez blake, I'm sensing some hostile vibes there. Those usually comes
>>> from frustration. Well blake, let me tell you, *millions of people who
>>> voted for Boy Wonder are extremely frustrated. So, you're not alone. I
>>> know that's not much of a consolation, but...oh well.
>>
>>> Ciccio
>>
>> and millions like you spread bullshit about him
>
> blake, you need to snap out or your denial. It's not bullshit, Boy
> Wonder is inept as a pres.
>
>> who would never vote for him under any circumstances.
>
> Hell, if he were competent and did a good job, I'd vote for him in a
> New York minute.
>
> Ciccio

maybe you'll get lucky and you'll have the chance to vote for palin.

blake

On Jul 29, 8:49*am, blake murphy > wrote:

> maybe you'll get lucky and you'll have the chance to vote for palin.

Unless she drastically changes to an extent I can't even imagine, I
wouldn't vote for Palin. You see, I can recognize an incompetent
candidate for president, that's why I didn't vote for Obama...I bet
you voted for him though, huh?

Ciccio
___________________
Obama the UNQUALIFIED
leads the UNWILLING
into the UNNECESSARY

Recession = When your neighbors lose their jobs.
Depression = When you lose your job.
Recovery = When Obama loses his job.

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 09:54:32 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>> How would this change. When you raise taxes on businesses, they either
>> pass along those costs to the consumer, reduce services, or they go
>> out of business.
>

I'm sure that many communitys take this corporate screwing.

in Pennsylvania,
communitys would "build the industrial park", put in access roads,
finance the building, and offer a ten-year tax holiday as incentive.

So who pays for this ?
It's taxed from the residents and workers in the community.

And, as is the case so often,
nearing the ten-year mark, the company would "up and move"...
often to another sucker community offering a sweetheart deal.

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:40:14 -0700, <RJ> wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 09:54:32 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
>>> How would this change. When you raise taxes on businesses, they either
>>> pass along those costs to the consumer, reduce services, or they go
>>> out of business.
>>
>
> I'm sure that many communitys take this corporate screwing.
>
> in Pennsylvania,
> communitys would "build the industrial park", put in access roads,
> finance the building, and offer a ten-year tax holiday as incentive.
>
> So who pays for this ?
> It's taxed from the residents and workers in the community.
>
> And, as is the case so often,
> nearing the ten-year mark, the company would "up and move"...
> often to another sucker community offering a sweetheart deal.

....and like three-card monte players, the communities never seem to catch
on to what's being done.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:01:05 -0700 (PDT), Ciccio wrote:

> On Jul 29, 8:49*am, blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> maybe you'll get lucky and you'll have the chance to vote for palin.
>
> Unless she drastically changes to an extent I can't even imagine, I
> wouldn't vote for Palin. You see, I can recognize an incompetent
> candidate for president, that's why I didn't vote for Obama...I bet
> you voted for him though, huh?
>
> Ciccio

as a choice over senile mcgrampa and sparkly caribou barbie? hell yes i
did.

blake

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:40:14 -0700, "<RJ>" > wrote:

>On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 09:54:32 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
>>> How would this change. When you raise taxes on businesses, they either
>>> pass along those costs to the consumer, reduce services, or they go
>>> out of business.
>>
>
>I'm sure that many communitys take this corporate screwing.
>
>in Pennsylvania,
>communitys would "build the industrial park", put in access roads,
>finance the building, and offer a ten-year tax holiday as incentive.
>
>So who pays for this ?
>It's taxed from the residents and workers in the community.
>
>And, as is the case so often,
>nearing the ten-year mark, the company would "up and move"...
>often to another sucker community offering a sweetheart deal.
>

And that's exactly what walmart is famous for.

Didn't you just post this in another thread?

>November, we're getting a super WalMart in town, and I can't wait !

>The two main grocers in town have had a captive consumers
>and they set their prices accordingly.
>Every grocery run produces sticker-shock.

>Price-shopping at another WalMart shows most items
>to be at least a quarter cheaper.... For some, up to a buck.

>Yaaaay...WalMart !

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:


> > I'm sure that many communitys take this corporate screwing.
> >
> > in Pennsylvania,
> > communitys would "build the industrial park", put in access roads,
> > finance the building, and offer a ten-year tax holiday as incentive.
> >
> > So who pays for this ?
> > It's taxed from the residents and workers in the community.
> >
> > And, as is the case so often,
> > nearing the ten-year mark, the company would "up and move"...
> > often to another sucker community offering a sweetheart deal.
>
> ...and like three-card monte players, the communities never seem to catch
> on to what's being done.

Depends on who "the communities" are, doesn't it? In my city, there are
two types of people in city government (greatly simplified, of course),
the real estate people and the "greenies". I can't help but notice that
these expensive developed properties are owned and sold by people who
were formerly on the City Council. I can't really complain. It's all
honest and above board. Still, the small business owners who are hurt
by these invasions by WalMart simply don't have the time and energy to
enter local politics, they are busy running their businesses. On the
other hand, I'm sure WalMart has whole teams of people whose sole jobs
are to do this screwing. They are experts in their field.

In my local city, City Council members are paid US$5 per regularly
scheduled meeting, the mayor gets US$10. They have many other meetings,
and attend many other events. They don't get paid for those. Three
times while I've lived here, the City Council has put something on the
ballot to raise their pay to US$400 a month (US$800 a month for the
mayor). Three times the voters have turned it down! These people make
decisions that involve millions of dollars. US$400 a month is still a
pittance.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 09:46:56 -0700, Dan Abel wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>>> I'm sure that many communitys take this corporate screwing.
>>>
>>> in Pennsylvania,
>>> communitys would "build the industrial park", put in access roads,
>>> finance the building, and offer a ten-year tax holiday as incentive.
>>>
>>> So who pays for this ?
>>> It's taxed from the residents and workers in the community.
>>>
>>> And, as is the case so often,
>>> nearing the ten-year mark, the company would "up and move"...
>>> often to another sucker community offering a sweetheart deal.
>>
>> ...and like three-card monte players, the communities never seem to catch
>> on to what's being done.
>
> Depends on who "the communities" are, doesn't it? In my city, there are
> two types of people in city government (greatly simplified, of course),
> the real estate people and the "greenies". I can't help but notice that
> these expensive developed properties are owned and sold by people who
> were formerly on the City Council. I can't really complain. It's all
> honest and above board. Still, the small business owners who are hurt
> by these invasions by WalMart simply don't have the time and energy to
> enter local politics, they are busy running their businesses. On the
> other hand, I'm sure WalMart has whole teams of people whose sole jobs
> are to do this screwing. They are experts in their field.
>
> In my local city, City Council members are paid US$5 per regularly
> scheduled meeting, the mayor gets US$10. They have many other meetings,
> and attend many other events. They don't get paid for those. Three
> times while I've lived here, the City Council has put something on the
> ballot to raise their pay to US$400 a month (US$800 a month for the
> mayor). Three times the voters have turned it down! These people make
> decisions that involve millions of dollars. US$400 a month is still a
> pittance.

don't know how big a city you live in, but it does seem penny-wise and
pound-foolish. almost an engraved invitation to graft.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:23:09 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

>don't know how big a city you live in, but it does seem penny-wise and
>pound-foolish. almost an engraved invitation to graft.

Part time status for little to no pay is one way to make sure they
don't bleed the city coffers dry like the situation in Bell,
California
<http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-20/california-official-s-800-000-salary-in-city-of-38-000-triggers-protests.html>


--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:47:16 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:23:09 -0400, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>>don't know how big a city you live in, but it does seem penny-wise and
>>pound-foolish. almost an engraved invitation to graft.
>
> Part time status for little to no pay is one way to make sure they
> don't bleed the city coffers dry like the situation in Bell,
> California
> <http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-20/california-official-s-800-000-salary-in-city-of-38-000-triggers-protests.html>

a pretty amazing story (i'd seen it elsewhere). i hope to god the rest of
california isn't afflicted with such leeches.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:39:39 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>
>You really think that will stay at $250,000? I don't.

I hope it doesn't. The tax cuts are due to expire and I hope they are
not renewed. Watching Fareed Zakaria this morning and he showed what
a huge part the Bush & Obama era tax cuts are of the national debt.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:39:39 -0700 (PDT), "

>>You really think that will stay at $250,000? I don't.

>I hope it doesn't. The tax cuts are due to expire and I hope they are
>not renewed. Watching Fareed Zakaria this morning and he showed what
>a huge part the Bush & Obama era tax cuts are of the national debt.

Obama's promise was "no new taxes except if you're over $250K".
He didn't say anything about newly-expiring tax cuts.

But, there's going to be little political appetite for higher
taxes below that level until the public sector reforms its spending.
Not with elections coming up (and there are always elections
coming up).

Steve