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Hi!
I am purchasing some live lobsters to cook for my husband as a surprise. I know you have to boil them, but what then? How do you cut them up? The only seafood I have prepared is shrimp and crab. I like how they fluff the tails at seafood restaurants but am not quite sure what they do to accomplish that. If I wanted to broil the tails I assume I would still have to boil them first. ( I wouldn't hold still to die by open flame, so I figure the lobsters wouldn't either). I would love some tips and ideas on how to prepare them. Thanks in advance. -Bridgett- |
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armywife23 wrote:
> ! > > I am purchasing some live lobsters to cook for my husband as a > surprise. I know you have to boil them, but what then? How do you cut > them up? The only seafood I have prepared is shrimp and crab. I like > how they fluff the tails at seafood restaurants but am not quite sure > what they do to accomplish that. If I wanted to broil the tails I > assume I would still have to boil them first. ( I wouldn't hold still > to die by open flame, so I figure the lobsters wouldn't either). I > would love some tips and ideas on how to prepare them. Thanks in > advance. Lobsters are easy to cook. Just get a big pot of water boiling and toss them in. You might want to jab a sharp knife into their tiny little brains to kill them first. Drop them head first into the water, let it return to a boil and cook 5 minutes for the first pound and 3 minutes for each additional pound. Try not to overcook them or else they get tough. Serve with melted butter and lemon slices. To eat a freshly boiled lobster you will need some tools. Nutcrackers are handy for cracking open the claws, and nut picks are handy for digging the meat out. There are special little lobster forks but I wouldn't bother rushing out to buy them. The tails can be cracked open by bending them back and twisting. Joy of Cooking has several recipes for lobster. |
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armywife23 wrote:
> ! > > I am purchasing some live lobsters to cook for my husband as a > surprise. I know you have to boil them, but what then? How do you cut > them up? The only seafood I have prepared is shrimp and crab. I like > how they fluff the tails at seafood restaurants but am not quite sure > what they do to accomplish that. If I wanted to broil the tails I > assume I would still have to boil them first. ( I wouldn't hold still > to die by open flame, so I figure the lobsters wouldn't either). I > would love some tips and ideas on how to prepare them. Thanks in > advance. Lobsters are easy to cook. Just get a big pot of water boiling and toss them in. You might want to jab a sharp knife into their tiny little brains to kill them first. Drop them head first into the water, let it return to a boil and cook 5 minutes for the first pound and 3 minutes for each additional pound. Try not to overcook them or else they get tough. Serve with melted butter and lemon slices. To eat a freshly boiled lobster you will need some tools. Nutcrackers are handy for cracking open the claws, and nut picks are handy for digging the meat out. There are special little lobster forks but I wouldn't bother rushing out to buy them. The tails can be cracked open by bending them back and twisting. Joy of Cooking has several recipes for lobster. |
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Dave Smith wrote:
> armywife23 wrote: > > >>! >> >>I am purchasing some live lobsters to cook for my husband as a >>surprise. I know you have to boil them, but what then? How do you cut >>them up? The only seafood I have prepared is shrimp and crab. I like >>how they fluff the tails at seafood restaurants but am not quite sure >>what they do to accomplish that. If I wanted to broil the tails I >>assume I would still have to boil them first. ( I wouldn't hold still >>to die by open flame, so I figure the lobsters wouldn't either). I >>would love some tips and ideas on how to prepare them. Thanks in >>advance. > > > Lobsters are easy to cook. Just get a big pot of water boiling and toss > them in. You might want to jab a sharp knife into their tiny little > brains to kill them first. Drop them head first into the water, let it > return to a boil and cook 5 minutes for the first pound and 3 minutes for > each additional pound. Try not to overcook them or else they get tough. > Serve with melted butter and lemon slices. > > To eat a freshly boiled lobster you will need some tools. Nutcrackers > are handy for cracking open the claws, and nut picks are handy for > digging the meat out. There are special little lobster forks but I > wouldn't bother rushing out to buy them. The tails can be cracked open > by bending them back and twisting. > > Joy of Cooking has several recipes for lobster. > Here in Maine it is sacrilege to boil lobster. Steaming them is the preffered method. It's one inch of water brought to a boil, lobsters go in, bring water back to a boil and steam for ten minutes. This is with 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 pounders. I like them prepared both ways...best of the best though is cooked over charcoal on the beach with the lobsters packed in seaweed. Yum! Jessica |
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Dave Smith wrote:
> armywife23 wrote: > > >>! >> >>I am purchasing some live lobsters to cook for my husband as a >>surprise. I know you have to boil them, but what then? How do you cut >>them up? The only seafood I have prepared is shrimp and crab. I like >>how they fluff the tails at seafood restaurants but am not quite sure >>what they do to accomplish that. If I wanted to broil the tails I >>assume I would still have to boil them first. ( I wouldn't hold still >>to die by open flame, so I figure the lobsters wouldn't either). I >>would love some tips and ideas on how to prepare them. Thanks in >>advance. > > > Lobsters are easy to cook. Just get a big pot of water boiling and toss > them in. You might want to jab a sharp knife into their tiny little > brains to kill them first. Drop them head first into the water, let it > return to a boil and cook 5 minutes for the first pound and 3 minutes for > each additional pound. Try not to overcook them or else they get tough. > Serve with melted butter and lemon slices. > > To eat a freshly boiled lobster you will need some tools. Nutcrackers > are handy for cracking open the claws, and nut picks are handy for > digging the meat out. There are special little lobster forks but I > wouldn't bother rushing out to buy them. The tails can be cracked open > by bending them back and twisting. > > Joy of Cooking has several recipes for lobster. > Here in Maine it is sacrilege to boil lobster. Steaming them is the preffered method. It's one inch of water brought to a boil, lobsters go in, bring water back to a boil and steam for ten minutes. This is with 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 pounders. I like them prepared both ways...best of the best though is cooked over charcoal on the beach with the lobsters packed in seaweed. Yum! Jessica |
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![]() "armywife23" > wrote in message m... > Hi! > > > I am purchasing some live lobsters to cook for my husband as a > surprise. I know you have to boil them, but what then? How do you cut > them up? The only seafood I have prepared is shrimp and crab. I like > how they fluff the tails at seafood restaurants but am not quite sure > what they do to accomplish that. If I wanted to broil the tails I > assume I would still have to boil them first. Broiled/baked lobster is not boiled first... If you mean presented with the tail meat resting outside of the shell..... First remove the whole raw tail from the body, shell intact. With a pair of kitchen sheers, slip the blade just under the inside of the upper surface and cut only the shell lengthwise, almost to the very end where the tail starts fanning. Some cooks cut a tiny V at the end Grab it and flex it as if opening a book. When it parts at the cut you made, slip a thumb under the inner flesh, forcing it out of the shell and let the shell close back onto itself. You should now have a hollow tail shell with the flesh setting upon the shell. Take a sharp knife and slit the flesh lengthwise exposing more surface for heat. Place in a small saute pan with oven-safe handle Add white wine, lemon wedge and a sprig of rosemary bake at about 375.. don't over cook If the pan dries out add more wine. Serve dusted with a little paprika and a side of clarified butter But I prefer to cut the tail lengthwise all the way through (you'll need a SHARP heavy knife)... Sear the inner side in an oiled pan and then cook it same as above from the "Add white wine...etc" point. Save all the shells, including head and legs, after meat is removed, for a lobster stock. Then use that for a reduction-sauce. |
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zuuum wrote:
> "armywife23" > wrote in message > m... >> Hi! >> >> >> I am purchasing some live lobsters to cook for my husband as a >> surprise. I know you have to boil them, but what then? How do you cut >> them up? The only seafood I have prepared is shrimp and crab. I like >> how they fluff the tails at seafood restaurants but am not quite sure >> what they do to accomplish that. If I wanted to broil the tails I >> assume I would still have to boil them first. > > Broiled/baked lobster is not boiled first... > > If you mean presented with the tail meat resting outside of the > shell..... > > First remove the whole raw tail from the body, shell intact. > With a pair of kitchen sheers, slip the blade just under the inside > of the upper surface and cut only the shell lengthwise, almost to the > very end where the tail starts fanning. Some cooks cut a tiny V at > the end > Grab it and flex it as if opening a book. > When it parts at the cut you made, slip a thumb under the inner flesh, > forcing it out of the shell and let the shell close back onto itself. > You should now have a hollow tail shell with the flesh setting upon > the shell. > Take a sharp knife and slit the flesh lengthwise exposing more > surface for heat. I was with you on the tail prep/presentation up to that point. But from there I'd simply brush it with some clarified butter and sprinkle lightly with salt & pepper. Broil it (not too close to the heat) 3-5 minutes or until the tail meat is opaque. Serve with clarified butter. Or you can grill it using the same preparation (the meat over the shell) but in that case I'd wrap it in foil after brushing it with butter and add finely minced garlic; sort of a lobster "scampi". Grill on indirect heat about 5 minutes or again just until opaque. Jill |
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zuuum wrote:
> "armywife23" > wrote in message > m... >> Hi! >> >> >> I am purchasing some live lobsters to cook for my husband as a >> surprise. I know you have to boil them, but what then? How do you cut >> them up? The only seafood I have prepared is shrimp and crab. I like >> how they fluff the tails at seafood restaurants but am not quite sure >> what they do to accomplish that. If I wanted to broil the tails I >> assume I would still have to boil them first. > > Broiled/baked lobster is not boiled first... > > If you mean presented with the tail meat resting outside of the > shell..... > > First remove the whole raw tail from the body, shell intact. > With a pair of kitchen sheers, slip the blade just under the inside > of the upper surface and cut only the shell lengthwise, almost to the > very end where the tail starts fanning. Some cooks cut a tiny V at > the end > Grab it and flex it as if opening a book. > When it parts at the cut you made, slip a thumb under the inner flesh, > forcing it out of the shell and let the shell close back onto itself. > You should now have a hollow tail shell with the flesh setting upon > the shell. > Take a sharp knife and slit the flesh lengthwise exposing more > surface for heat. I was with you on the tail prep/presentation up to that point. But from there I'd simply brush it with some clarified butter and sprinkle lightly with salt & pepper. Broil it (not too close to the heat) 3-5 minutes or until the tail meat is opaque. Serve with clarified butter. Or you can grill it using the same preparation (the meat over the shell) but in that case I'd wrap it in foil after brushing it with butter and add finely minced garlic; sort of a lobster "scampi". Grill on indirect heat about 5 minutes or again just until opaque. Jill |
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Hi Bridgett
I usually steam them as someone else mentioned and then serve with butter/garlic butter, vinigar, or mayo. A sure way to tell if they are done is, if you pull its feeler and it comes off easily, it's done. Cheers! "armywife23" > wrote in message m... > Hi! > > > I am purchasing some live lobsters to cook for my husband as a > surprise. I know you have to boil them, but what then? How do you cut > them up? The only seafood I have prepared is shrimp and crab. I like > how they fluff the tails at seafood restaurants but am not quite sure > what they do to accomplish that. If I wanted to broil the tails I > assume I would still have to boil them first. ( I wouldn't hold still > to die by open flame, so I figure the lobsters wouldn't either). I > would love some tips and ideas on how to prepare them. Thanks in > advance. > > > > -Bridgett- |
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Hi Bridgett
I usually steam them as someone else mentioned and then serve with butter/garlic butter, vinigar, or mayo. A sure way to tell if they are done is, if you pull its feeler and it comes off easily, it's done. Cheers! "armywife23" > wrote in message m... > Hi! > > > I am purchasing some live lobsters to cook for my husband as a > surprise. I know you have to boil them, but what then? How do you cut > them up? The only seafood I have prepared is shrimp and crab. I like > how they fluff the tails at seafood restaurants but am not quite sure > what they do to accomplish that. If I wanted to broil the tails I > assume I would still have to boil them first. ( I wouldn't hold still > to die by open flame, so I figure the lobsters wouldn't either). I > would love some tips and ideas on how to prepare them. Thanks in > advance. > > > > -Bridgett- |
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![]() "jmcquown" > wrote in message . .. > zuuum wrote: > I was with you on the tail prep/presentation up to that point. But from > there I'd simply brush it with some clarified butter and sprinkle lightly > with salt & pepper. Broil it (not too close to the heat) 3-5 minutes or > until the tail meat is opaque. Serve with clarified butter. > > Or you can grill it using the same preparation (the meat over the shell) but > in that case I'd wrap it in foil after brushing it with butter and add > finely minced garlic; sort of a lobster "scampi". Grill on indirect heat > about 5 minutes or again just until opaque. > > Jill Yes, she did say "broiled" |
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![]() "jmcquown" > wrote in message . .. > zuuum wrote: > I was with you on the tail prep/presentation up to that point. But from > there I'd simply brush it with some clarified butter and sprinkle lightly > with salt & pepper. Broil it (not too close to the heat) 3-5 minutes or > until the tail meat is opaque. Serve with clarified butter. > > Or you can grill it using the same preparation (the meat over the shell) but > in that case I'd wrap it in foil after brushing it with butter and add > finely minced garlic; sort of a lobster "scampi". Grill on indirect heat > about 5 minutes or again just until opaque. > > Jill Yes, she did say "broiled" |
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armywife23 wrote:
> I am purchasing some live lobsters to cook for my husband as a > surprise. I know you have to boil them Don't boil them. Steam them. Put an inch of water in the largest pot you have, add some salt (1 tsp or thereabouts), and bring to a roiling boil. Use a steamer basket or other contrivance to put the lobsters in the pot without putting them in the water. Cover and cook for 2-3 minutes a pound plus 3-5 minutes (times are not exact because lobsters do not come in standard sizes.) Larger lobsters are better - you will get more meat buying one really large lobster than a mess of little ones. Try to get a female if possible, they will usually have roe (top of the body just ahead of the tail) which will turn red and firm and it is delicious. Crack a lobsters claws with a hammer before serving. Remove the tail when eating, cut through the bottom between the swimmerettes, and crack off the tail fan. Remove the meat in one piece and fan it out like a book and remove the vein/intestine. Rinse the meat under warm water and enjoy. Some people enjoy the "tamale" - the green slime inside the head. Personally, I skip that. The meat is found in the tail, the legs, the claws and arms, and in the base of the head where the legs attached. You may also find the roe - a brownish (raw) or reddish (cooked) mass in the back of the head and extending into the tail. When cooked, this is as tasty as the meat, you can eat it with the meat, save it for the lobster salad (see below), or you can eat it separately with some melted butter. In large lobsters the legs hold a lot of meat and are worth picking and eating - also the bottom of the head where the legs join the body. In smaller lobsters these areas are too hard to reach during the meal. After dinner, use a rolling pin on the legs one by one to push out the meat in smaller lobsters, then pick out the head meat at the base of the legs. Be careful to get all the shell out. Rinse the meat if needed and mix it with mayo to taste and have lobster salad for lunch the next day. Use the mess left over the meal after picking: into a pot with some herbs, quartered onion or scallions, water to cover, and simmer for several hours. When the shell turns translucent, strain out the solids and save the broth. This can be used as a soup stock, or simmered and reduced for a heavenly seafood sauce. -- ..-. .-. .---. .---. .-..-.|Experts in Linux/Unix: www.WildOpenSource.com | |__ / | \| |-< | |-< > / |"Making the bazaar more commonplace" `----'`-^-'`-'`-'`-'`-' `-' |Check out my new novel: "Cloud Realm" at: home:www.smith-house.org:8000|http://www.smith-house.org:8000/books/list.html |
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armywife23 wrote:
> I am purchasing some live lobsters to cook for my husband as a > surprise. I know you have to boil them Don't boil them. Steam them. Put an inch of water in the largest pot you have, add some salt (1 tsp or thereabouts), and bring to a roiling boil. Use a steamer basket or other contrivance to put the lobsters in the pot without putting them in the water. Cover and cook for 2-3 minutes a pound plus 3-5 minutes (times are not exact because lobsters do not come in standard sizes.) Larger lobsters are better - you will get more meat buying one really large lobster than a mess of little ones. Try to get a female if possible, they will usually have roe (top of the body just ahead of the tail) which will turn red and firm and it is delicious. Crack a lobsters claws with a hammer before serving. Remove the tail when eating, cut through the bottom between the swimmerettes, and crack off the tail fan. Remove the meat in one piece and fan it out like a book and remove the vein/intestine. Rinse the meat under warm water and enjoy. Some people enjoy the "tamale" - the green slime inside the head. Personally, I skip that. The meat is found in the tail, the legs, the claws and arms, and in the base of the head where the legs attached. You may also find the roe - a brownish (raw) or reddish (cooked) mass in the back of the head and extending into the tail. When cooked, this is as tasty as the meat, you can eat it with the meat, save it for the lobster salad (see below), or you can eat it separately with some melted butter. In large lobsters the legs hold a lot of meat and are worth picking and eating - also the bottom of the head where the legs join the body. In smaller lobsters these areas are too hard to reach during the meal. After dinner, use a rolling pin on the legs one by one to push out the meat in smaller lobsters, then pick out the head meat at the base of the legs. Be careful to get all the shell out. Rinse the meat if needed and mix it with mayo to taste and have lobster salad for lunch the next day. Use the mess left over the meal after picking: into a pot with some herbs, quartered onion or scallions, water to cover, and simmer for several hours. When the shell turns translucent, strain out the solids and save the broth. This can be used as a soup stock, or simmered and reduced for a heavenly seafood sauce. -- ..-. .-. .---. .---. .-..-.|Experts in Linux/Unix: www.WildOpenSource.com | |__ / | \| |-< | |-< > / |"Making the bazaar more commonplace" `----'`-^-'`-'`-'`-'`-' `-' |Check out my new novel: "Cloud Realm" at: home:www.smith-house.org:8000|http://www.smith-house.org:8000/books/list.html |
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zuuum wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message > . .. > >>zuuum wrote: > > >>I was with you on the tail prep/presentation up to that point. But from >>there I'd simply brush it with some clarified butter and sprinkle lightly >>with salt & pepper. Broil it (not too close to the heat) 3-5 minutes or >>until the tail meat is opaque. Serve with clarified butter. >> >>Or you can grill it using the same preparation (the meat over the shell) > > but > >>in that case I'd wrap it in foil after brushing it with butter and add >>finely minced garlic; sort of a lobster "scampi". Grill on indirect heat >>about 5 minutes or again just until opaque. >> >>Jill > > > Yes, she did say "broiled" > > My favorite way is broiled. Rinse lobster under cold running water. Take very sharp knife and split lobster down the middle into two halves (yes while they are still alive, starting from the head, and with several quick blows on the back of the knife till the animal splits.) There is controversy whether the animal continues to suffer or not. I assume that when the brain is breached, there is loss of integral function and most of the movement observed is the massive discharge of the central nervous system. But anyway, slap on each half a mixture of the following: some soft bread crumbs with some melted butter, s&p, splash of quality white wine, ground up shrimp, good quality paprika, and some additional butter on top along with some more paprika. Place several inches below the broiler till done. Serve with melted butter. HTH, Rich -- "Dum Spiro, Spero." As long as I breath, I hope. Cicero |
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zuuum wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message > . .. > >>zuuum wrote: > > >>I was with you on the tail prep/presentation up to that point. But from >>there I'd simply brush it with some clarified butter and sprinkle lightly >>with salt & pepper. Broil it (not too close to the heat) 3-5 minutes or >>until the tail meat is opaque. Serve with clarified butter. >> >>Or you can grill it using the same preparation (the meat over the shell) > > but > >>in that case I'd wrap it in foil after brushing it with butter and add >>finely minced garlic; sort of a lobster "scampi". Grill on indirect heat >>about 5 minutes or again just until opaque. >> >>Jill > > > Yes, she did say "broiled" > > My favorite way is broiled. Rinse lobster under cold running water. Take very sharp knife and split lobster down the middle into two halves (yes while they are still alive, starting from the head, and with several quick blows on the back of the knife till the animal splits.) There is controversy whether the animal continues to suffer or not. I assume that when the brain is breached, there is loss of integral function and most of the movement observed is the massive discharge of the central nervous system. But anyway, slap on each half a mixture of the following: some soft bread crumbs with some melted butter, s&p, splash of quality white wine, ground up shrimp, good quality paprika, and some additional butter on top along with some more paprika. Place several inches below the broiler till done. Serve with melted butter. HTH, Rich -- "Dum Spiro, Spero." As long as I breath, I hope. Cicero |
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![]() "Richard Periut" > wrote in message . .. > (yes while they are still alive, starting from the head, and with > several quick blows on the back of the knife till the animal splits.) > There is controversy whether the animal continues to suffer or not. I > assume that when the brain is breached, there is loss of integral > function and most of the movement observed is the massive discharge of > the central nervous system. LOL.. didn't you hear the astral lobster screams from somewhere over your head for the next few hours???! |
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zuuum wrote:
> "Richard Periut" > wrote in message > . .. > > >>(yes while they are still alive, starting from the head, and with >>several quick blows on the back of the knife till the animal splits.) >>There is controversy whether the animal continues to suffer or not. I >>assume that when the brain is breached, there is loss of integral >>function and most of the movement observed is the massive discharge of >>the central nervous system. > > > LOL.. didn't you hear the astral lobster screams from somewhere over your > head for the next few hours???! > > No, but I've had my share of dreams in which a giant lobster is slicing me up in two : ) Rich -- "Dum Spiro, Spero." As long as I breath, I hope. Cicero |
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zuuum wrote:
> "Richard Periut" > wrote in message > . .. > > >>(yes while they are still alive, starting from the head, and with >>several quick blows on the back of the knife till the animal splits.) >>There is controversy whether the animal continues to suffer or not. I >>assume that when the brain is breached, there is loss of integral >>function and most of the movement observed is the massive discharge of >>the central nervous system. > > > LOL.. didn't you hear the astral lobster screams from somewhere over your > head for the next few hours???! > > No, but I've had my share of dreams in which a giant lobster is slicing me up in two : ) Rich -- "Dum Spiro, Spero." As long as I breath, I hope. Cicero |
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![]() "Richard Periut" > wrote in message . .. [snip] > Rich > > -- > "Dum Spiro, Spero." > > As long as I breath, I hope. > > Cicero > Hey!! You share the motto of a very old Scottish clan, you know? http://www.clan.maclennan.com/ |
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zuuum wrote:
> "Richard Periut" > wrote in message > . .. > [snip] > > >>Rich >> >>-- >>"Dum Spiro, Spero." >> >>As long as I breath, I hope. >> >>Cicero >> > > > Hey!! You share the motto of a very old Scottish clan, you know? > http://www.clan.maclennan.com/ > > Perhaps because I'm fond of Scotts and am enamored with their single malts ; ) Rich -- "Dum Spiro, Spero." As long as I breath, I hope. Cicero |
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I went to the Lobsterfest in Rockport two years ago, the lobsters there were
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On 24 Aug 2004 11:39:34 -0700, (armywife23) wrote:
>I am purchasing some live lobsters to cook for my husband as a >surprise. I know you have to boil them, You don't have to boil them. Here's a fellow that tried microwaving them: http://www.gfrecipes.com/lobster.txt Don <donwiss at panix.com>. |
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On 24 Aug 2004 11:39:34 -0700, (armywife23) wrote:
>I am purchasing some live lobsters to cook for my husband as a >surprise. I know you have to boil them, You don't have to boil them. Here's a fellow that tried microwaving them: http://www.gfrecipes.com/lobster.txt Don <donwiss at panix.com>. |
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"Phil" > wrote in message
... > > Is no one even going to mention cruelty? > > Phil > Sure, let me. Since no one has ever shown a shred of reliable evidence that crustaceans feel pain or suffer in any meaningful way, you should not be concerned with issues of cruelty when cooking or eating them. Happy now? -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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"Phil" > wrote in message
... > > Is no one even going to mention cruelty? > > Phil > Sure, let me. Since no one has ever shown a shred of reliable evidence that crustaceans feel pain or suffer in any meaningful way, you should not be concerned with issues of cruelty when cooking or eating them. Happy now? -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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Peter Aitken wrote:
> "Phil" > wrote in message > ... > >>Is no one even going to mention cruelty? >> >>Phil >> > > > Sure, let me. > > Since no one has ever shown a shred of reliable evidence that crustaceans > feel pain or suffer in any meaningful way, you should not be concerned with > issues of cruelty when cooking or eating them. As a lobster is a highly evolved sentient marine creature capable of walking in all those legs, catching prey, evading predators and making lobstery love, the idea that it cannot feel pain is as stupid as it is wicked. Phil |
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Peter Aitken wrote:
> "Phil" > wrote in message > ... > >>Is no one even going to mention cruelty? >> >>Phil >> > > > Sure, let me. > > Since no one has ever shown a shred of reliable evidence that crustaceans > feel pain or suffer in any meaningful way, you should not be concerned with > issues of cruelty when cooking or eating them. As a lobster is a highly evolved sentient marine creature capable of walking in all those legs, catching prey, evading predators and making lobstery love, the idea that it cannot feel pain is as stupid as it is wicked. Phil |
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Phil wrote:
> Peter Aitken wrote: > >> "Phil" > wrote in message >> ... >> >>> Is no one even going to mention cruelty? >>> >>> Phil >>> >> Sure, let me. >> >> Since no one has ever shown a shred of reliable evidence that >> crustaceans feel pain or suffer in any meaningful way, you should >> not be concerned with issues of cruelty when cooking or eating >> them. > > > As a lobster is a highly evolved sentient marine creature "Highly evolved?" Little too vague a criterion to take seriously. Not biologically defensible without specific definitions. > capable of walking in all those legs, catching prey, evading > predators and making lobstery love, the idea that it cannot feel > pain is as stupid as it is wicked. Ants do all that stuff, too. And they even manage to work as teams. Not evidence for being "highly evolved." Look at centipedes. Anthropomorphizing is a logical flaw. If you have evidence, not merely conjecture, pop it out. Or back it out. I once heard a hollywood type inveighing against eating animals by saying the cow behind her had a "noble brow." I said I wouldn't eat that part. She said some bad words. Pastorio |
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Phil wrote:
> Peter Aitken wrote: > >> "Phil" > wrote in message >> ... >> >>> Is no one even going to mention cruelty? >>> >>> Phil >>> >> Sure, let me. >> >> Since no one has ever shown a shred of reliable evidence that >> crustaceans feel pain or suffer in any meaningful way, you should >> not be concerned with issues of cruelty when cooking or eating >> them. > > > As a lobster is a highly evolved sentient marine creature "Highly evolved?" Little too vague a criterion to take seriously. Not biologically defensible without specific definitions. > capable of walking in all those legs, catching prey, evading > predators and making lobstery love, the idea that it cannot feel > pain is as stupid as it is wicked. Ants do all that stuff, too. And they even manage to work as teams. Not evidence for being "highly evolved." Look at centipedes. Anthropomorphizing is a logical flaw. If you have evidence, not merely conjecture, pop it out. Or back it out. I once heard a hollywood type inveighing against eating animals by saying the cow behind her had a "noble brow." I said I wouldn't eat that part. She said some bad words. Pastorio |
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"Phil" > wrote in message
... > Peter Aitken wrote: > > > "Phil" > wrote in message > > ... > > > >>Is no one even going to mention cruelty? > >> > >>Phil > >> > > > > > > Sure, let me. > > > > Since no one has ever shown a shred of reliable evidence that crustaceans > > feel pain or suffer in any meaningful way, you should not be concerned with > > issues of cruelty when cooking or eating them. > > As a lobster is a highly evolved sentient marine creature capable > of walking in all those legs, catching prey, evading predators > and making lobstery love, the idea that it cannot feel pain is as > stupid as it is wicked. > > Phil Highly evolved? Perhaps, but that has nothing to do with pain. Sentient? Oh please - can we have some evidence? The idea that a lobster is sentient is really silly. I bet you think that cockroaches, spiders, and millipedes are sentient too. Why is the idea stupid - because you do not agree with it? If you think that they do, fine, don't cook them, but if you want others to act on your beliefs you need to provide some evidence (and not those feeble-minded web sites about lobster "screams"). -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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"Phil" > wrote in message
... > Peter Aitken wrote: > > > "Phil" > wrote in message > > ... > > > >>Is no one even going to mention cruelty? > >> > >>Phil > >> > > > > > > Sure, let me. > > > > Since no one has ever shown a shred of reliable evidence that crustaceans > > feel pain or suffer in any meaningful way, you should not be concerned with > > issues of cruelty when cooking or eating them. > > As a lobster is a highly evolved sentient marine creature capable > of walking in all those legs, catching prey, evading predators > and making lobstery love, the idea that it cannot feel pain is as > stupid as it is wicked. > > Phil Highly evolved? Perhaps, but that has nothing to do with pain. Sentient? Oh please - can we have some evidence? The idea that a lobster is sentient is really silly. I bet you think that cockroaches, spiders, and millipedes are sentient too. Why is the idea stupid - because you do not agree with it? If you think that they do, fine, don't cook them, but if you want others to act on your beliefs you need to provide some evidence (and not those feeble-minded web sites about lobster "screams"). -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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![]() "Peter Aitken" > wrote in message . .. > "Phil" > wrote in message > ... > > Peter Aitken wrote: > > > > > "Phil" > wrote in message > > > ... > > > > > >>Is no one even going to mention cruelty? > > >> > > >>Phil > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sure, let me. > > > > > > Since no one has ever shown a shred of reliable evidence that > crustaceans > > > feel pain or suffer in any meaningful way, you should not be concerned > with > > > issues of cruelty when cooking or eating them. > > > > As a lobster is a highly evolved sentient marine creature capable > > of walking in all those legs, catching prey, evading predators > > and making lobstery love, the idea that it cannot feel pain is as > > stupid as it is wicked. > > > > Phil > > > Highly evolved? Perhaps, but that has nothing to do with pain. > > Sentient? Oh please - can we have some evidence? The idea that a lobster is > sentient is really silly. I bet you think that cockroaches, spiders, and > millipedes are sentient too. > > Why is the idea stupid - because you do not agree with it? If you think that > they do, fine, don't cook them, but if you want others to act on your > beliefs you need to provide some evidence (and not those feeble-minded web > sites about lobster "screams"). > Supposedly, and I don't know this for fact, crustaceans don't have a central nervous system so they do not feel pain. The "scream" you hear is merely steam escaping the joints. In any case I'll continue to eat my lobster, and love it, thank you. kili |
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![]() "Peter Aitken" > wrote in message . .. > "Phil" > wrote in message > ... > > Peter Aitken wrote: > > > > > "Phil" > wrote in message > > > ... > > > > > >>Is no one even going to mention cruelty? > > >> > > >>Phil > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sure, let me. > > > > > > Since no one has ever shown a shred of reliable evidence that > crustaceans > > > feel pain or suffer in any meaningful way, you should not be concerned > with > > > issues of cruelty when cooking or eating them. > > > > As a lobster is a highly evolved sentient marine creature capable > > of walking in all those legs, catching prey, evading predators > > and making lobstery love, the idea that it cannot feel pain is as > > stupid as it is wicked. > > > > Phil > > > Highly evolved? Perhaps, but that has nothing to do with pain. > > Sentient? Oh please - can we have some evidence? The idea that a lobster is > sentient is really silly. I bet you think that cockroaches, spiders, and > millipedes are sentient too. > > Why is the idea stupid - because you do not agree with it? If you think that > they do, fine, don't cook them, but if you want others to act on your > beliefs you need to provide some evidence (and not those feeble-minded web > sites about lobster "screams"). > Supposedly, and I don't know this for fact, crustaceans don't have a central nervous system so they do not feel pain. The "scream" you hear is merely steam escaping the joints. In any case I'll continue to eat my lobster, and love it, thank you. kili |
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