"Uhhh.... the best auto industry in the world." --Barak Obama, 4/30/2009

Since when???

BULLSHIT!
BULLSHIT!
BULLSHIT!

Andy

"Andy" > wrote in message ...
> "Uhhh.... the best auto industry in the world." --Barak Obama, 4/30/2009
>
> Since when???
>
>
Not since some forty years ago. Prior to 1965 one could buy a new American
made auto and expect it to last ten, fifteen, twenty, even twenty five
years. Now one rarely sees an American auto on the road that's more than
five years old, they're built with the same obsolesence as incandescent
light bulbs, they're throw aways. An American auto used to be considered an
investment... and in fact one could write off the interest on an auto loan
same as a mortgage... which of course would be one way to help save the US
auto industry, bring back the interest deduction on auto loans for new US
autos only. However lot more needs doing, US industry is certain to
collapse within the next few years unless a huge push is brought to bear for
vocational training... the US has a tremendous shortage of skilled
machinists and tool makers, most tooling and precision parts are imported,
have been for a long time. An economy can't exist with everyone driving a
cubicle.

On Apr 30, 11:23*am, Andy > wrote:
> "Uhhh.... the best auto industry in the world." --Barak Obama, 4/30/2009
>
> Since when???
>
> BULLSHIT!
> BULLSHIT!
> BULLSHIT!

Time for a nice Seroquel and beddy-bye time with re-runs of the Sonny
and Cher Show.

"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
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>
> "Andy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Uhhh.... the best auto industry in the world." --Barak Obama, 4/30/2009
>>
>> Since when???
>>
>>
> Not since some forty years ago. Prior to 1965 one could buy a new
> American made auto and expect it to last ten, fifteen, twenty, even twenty
> five years.

I don't agree - If the American cars of that era were decent and not built
with Planned Obsolesce the Japanese & European car companies would have
failed. The fact is America built an inferior product.



Now one rarely sees an American auto on the road that's more than
> five years old, they're built with the same obsolesence as incandescent
> light bulbs, they're throw aways. An American auto used to be considered
> an investment... and in fact one could write off the interest on an auto
> loan same as a mortgage... which of course would be one way to help save
> the US auto industry, bring back the interest deduction on auto loans for
> new US autos only.

Keep in mind ALL interest was deductable, auto, home, credit card, All of
it.

Where do you draw the line? Toyots makes cars HERE as does Nissan, and
several others. Is a Toyots from Alabama an American car?

In 13 locations across North America, more than 36,000 team members are
producing* over 1.3 million vehicles, more than 1.5 million engines, and
nearly 400,000 automatic transmissions per year. In fact, 11 Toyota and
Lexus models are built in North America with parts purchased from hundreds
of North American supplier locations.
Our annual U.S. spending on parts, goods and services with suppliers totals
more than $28 billion** and counting, as Toyota continues to grow and build
more vehicles, engines and transmissions in North America.

All data as of December 2007 except where noted.
Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing, North America, Inc.
Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Alabama, Inc.
Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Indiana, Inc.
Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Kentucky, Inc.
Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Texas, Inc.
Toyota Motor Manufacturing, West Virginia, Inc.
Bodine Aluminum, Inc.New United Motor Manufacturing, Inc.TABC, Inc.
Subaru of Indiana Automotive, Inc.
Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Mississippi, Inc.
Canadian Autoparts Toyota, Inc.
Toyota Motor Manufacturing Canada, Inc.
Toyota Motor Manufacturing de Baja California, S. de R.L. de C.V.

In article >,
"Dimitri" > wrote:


> Where do you draw the line? Toyots makes cars HERE as does Nissan, and
> several others. Is a Toyots from Alabama an American car?

And is a Chrysler or GM vehicle made in Canada a US car?

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel said...

> In article >,
> "Dimitri" > wrote:
>
>
>> Where do you draw the line? Toyots makes cars HERE as does Nissan, and
>> several others. Is a Toyots from Alabama an American car?
>
> And is a Chrysler or GM vehicle made in Canada a US car?


Dan,

Yeah, everybody and their cat drives a Nissan (Ford)!

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Dimitri" > wrote:
>
>
>> Where do you draw the line? Toyots makes cars HERE as does Nissan, and
>> several others. Is a Toyots from Alabama an American car?
>
> And is a Chrysler or GM vehicle made in Canada a US car?


Doesn't matter. It's junk compared to a Nissan or Toyota.

TFM®

"TFM®" > wrote in message
om...
>
>
> "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> "Dimitri" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Where do you draw the line? Toyots makes cars HERE as does Nissan, and
>>> several others. Is a Toyots from Alabama an American car?
>>
>> And is a Chrysler or GM vehicle made in Canada a US car?
>
>
> Doesn't matter. It's junk compared to a Nissan or Toyota.
>
> TFM®


The last Toyota I owned Camry V6 XLE I purchased used for 16K with 30K miles
and drove for 12 years and the transmission died @ 432,000 miles - I was
determined to drive it till it died.

Do that with an American car.

Impossible.

Dimitri

On Apr 30, 2:20*pm, wrote:
> On Apr 30, 11:23*am, Andy > wrote:
>
> > "Uhhh.... the best auto industry in the world." --Barak Obama, 4/30/2009
>
> > Since when???
>
> > BULLSHIT!
> > BULLSHIT!
> > BULLSHIT!
>
> Time for a nice Seroquel and beddy-bye time with re-runs of the Sonny
> and Cher Show.

Sonny & Cher, almost enough to make ME projectile vomit.

--Bryan http://www.TheBonobos.com

"Dimitri" > wrote in message
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>
> "TFM®" > wrote in message
> om...
>>
>>
>> "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article >,
>>> "Dimitri" > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Where do you draw the line? Toyots makes cars HERE as does Nissan, and
>>>> several others. Is a Toyots from Alabama an American car?
>>>
>>> And is a Chrysler or GM vehicle made in Canada a US car?
>>
>>
>> Doesn't matter. It's junk compared to a Nissan or Toyota.
>>
>> TFM®
>
>
> The last Toyota I owned Camry V6 XLE I purchased used for 16K with 30K
> miles and drove for 12 years and the transmission died @ 432,000 miles - I
> was determined to drive it till it died.
>
> Do that with an American car.
>
> Impossible.


You can drive an American made car until it dies. It just won't take nearly
as long.
My Camry shit on me at 260,000 miles, and it was the transmission. The
engine would still start and run like new.

I drive all vehicles to the junkyard. Nobody ever buys a vehicle when I'm
done with it.

I only have 105,000 on my Pathfinder and it will still pass almost
everything on the road. I don't drive it like that all the time though.
Most of the time it gets the Grandpa treatment. Then every now and then we
gotta blow the cobwebs out.

There are 2 Nissan's I can't smoke with mine, the Altima 3.5 and the 350z.
They both have the same engine as mine, but they're lighter and tuned for
speed.

TFM®

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:54:40 -0500, Andy > wrote:

>Dan Abel said...
>
>> In article >,
>> "Dimitri" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Where do you draw the line? Toyots makes cars HERE as does Nissan, and
>>> several others. Is a Toyots from Alabama an American car?
>>
>> And is a Chrysler or GM vehicle made in Canada a US car?
>
>
>Dan,
>
>Yeah, everybody and their cat drives a Nissan (Ford)!
>
>Andy


Well the stupid fools ( that includes both our Prime Minister and the
Premier of Ontario) just used taxpayers money to buy a 2% share in
Chrysler and bail them out. There's going to be alot of political
fallout because of their meddling with our tax dollars. They should of
let them go into bankrupcy. I'll never buy a Chrysler.

"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
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>
> "Andy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Uhhh.... the best auto industry in the world." --Barak Obama, 4/30/2009
>>
>> Since when???
>>
>>
> Not since some forty years ago. Prior to 1965 one could buy a new
> American made auto and expect it to last ten, fifteen, twenty, even twenty
> five years. Now one rarely sees an American auto on the road that's more
> than five years old, they're built with the same obsolesence as
> incandescent light bulbs, they're throw aways. An American auto used to
> be considered an investment... and in fact one could write off the
> interest on an auto loan same as a mortgage... which of course would be
> one way to help save the US auto industry, bring back the interest
> deduction on auto loans for new US autos only. However lot more needs
> doing, US industry is certain to collapse within the next few years unless
> a huge push is brought to bear for vocational training... the US has a
> tremendous shortage of skilled machinists and tool makers, most tooling
> and precision parts are imported, have been for a long time. An economy
> can't exist with everyone driving a cubicle.
>

Many cars have parts made in other countries. Chrysler have their motors
made by Mitsubishi or in Canada.

"Kswck" > wrote in message
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>
> "brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Andy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Uhhh.... the best auto industry in the world." --Barak Obama, 4/30/2009
>>>
>>> Since when???
>>>
>>>
>> Not since some forty years ago. Prior to 1965 one could buy a new
>> American made auto and expect it to last ten, fifteen, twenty, even
>> twenty five years. Now one rarely sees an American auto on the road
>> that's more than five years old, they're built with the same obsolesence
>> as incandescent light bulbs, they're throw aways. An American auto used
>> to be considered an investment... and in fact one could write off the
>> interest on an auto loan same as a mortgage... which of course would be
>> one way to help save the US auto industry, bring back the interest
>> deduction on auto loans for new US autos only. However lot more needs
>> doing, US industry is certain to collapse within the next few years
>> unless a huge push is brought to bear for vocational training... the US
>> has a tremendous shortage of skilled machinists and tool makers, most
>> tooling and precision parts are imported, have been for a long time. An
>> economy can't exist with everyone driving a cubicle.
>>
>
> Many cars have parts made in other countries. Chrysler have their motors
> made by Mitsubishi or in Canada.
>
That's exactly what I said. The US auto worker is not skilled labor,
assembly line production is not skilled... any monkey can be trained to put
the round peg in the round hole and the square peg in the square hole.
American manufacturing companies want to pay skilled workers at the
unskilled labor rate so it's no wonder there are no young folks who want to
serve a machinist/toolmaker apprenticeship, and in fact American industry
doesn't sponsor skilled apprenticeship programs, they never have... the only
way to learn is by knocking around from one small jobbing shop to another,
taking abuse for little pay. The US government has never sponsored
vocational training programs either. In Germany, Japan, and many other
industrialied countries a toolmaker is worth more than a medical doctor.

"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
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> "Kswck" > wrote in message
> ...
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>> "brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Andy" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Uhhh.... the best auto industry in the world." --Barak Obama,
>>>> 4/30/2009
>>>>
>>>> Since when???
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Not since some forty years ago. Prior to 1965 one could buy a new
>>> American made auto and expect it to last ten, fifteen, twenty, even
>>> twenty five years. Now one rarely sees an American auto on the road
>>> that's more than five years old, they're built with the same obsolesence
>>> as incandescent light bulbs, they're throw aways. An American auto used
>>> to be considered an investment... and in fact one could write off the
>>> interest on an auto loan same as a mortgage... which of course would be
>>> one way to help save the US auto industry, bring back the interest
>>> deduction on auto loans for new US autos only. However lot more needs
>>> doing, US industry is certain to collapse within the next few years
>>> unless a huge push is brought to bear for vocational training... the US
>>> has a tremendous shortage of skilled machinists and tool makers, most
>>> tooling and precision parts are imported, have been for a long time. An
>>> economy can't exist with everyone driving a cubicle.
>>>
>>
>> Many cars have parts made in other countries. Chrysler have their motors
>> made by Mitsubishi or in Canada.
>>
> That's exactly what I said. The US auto worker is not skilled labor,
> assembly line production is not skilled... any monkey can be trained to
> put the round peg in the round hole and the square peg in the square hole.
> American manufacturing companies want to pay skilled workers at the
> unskilled labor rate so it's no wonder there are no young folks who want
> to serve a machinist/toolmaker apprenticeship, and in fact American
> industry doesn't sponsor skilled apprenticeship programs, they never
> have... the only way to learn is by knocking around from one small jobbing
> shop to another, taking abuse for little pay. The US government has never
> sponsored vocational training programs either. In Germany, Japan, and
> many other industrialied countries a toolmaker is worth more than a
> medical doctor.
>

Sorry. Came into the thread late.

"Kswck" > wrote in message
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> "brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> ...
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>> "Andy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Uhhh.... the best auto industry in the world." --Barak Obama, 4/30/2009
>>>
>>> Since when???
>>>
>>>
>> Not since some forty years ago. Prior to 1965 one could buy a new
>> American made auto and expect it to last ten, fifteen, twenty, even
>> twenty five years. Now one rarely sees an American auto on the road
>> that's more than five years old, they're built with the same obsolesence
>> as incandescent light bulbs, they're throw aways. An American auto used
>> to be considered an investment... and in fact one could write off the
>> interest on an auto loan same as a mortgage... which of course would be
>> one way to help save the US auto industry, bring back the interest
>> deduction on auto loans for new US autos only. However lot more needs
>> doing, US industry is certain to collapse within the next few years
>> unless a huge push is brought to bear for vocational training... the US
>> has a tremendous shortage of skilled machinists and tool makers, most
>> tooling and precision parts are imported, have been for a long time. An
>> economy can't exist with everyone driving a cubicle.
>>
>
> Many cars have parts made in other countries. Chrysler have their motors
> made by Mitsubishi or in Canada.
>
That's exactly what I said. The US auto worker is not skilled labor,
assembly line production is not skilled... any monkey can be trained to put
the round peg in the round hole and the square peg in the square hole.
American manufacturing companies want to pay skilled workers at the
unskilled labor rate so it's no wonder there are no young folks who want to
serve a machinist/toolmaker apprenticeship, and in fact American industry
doesn't sponsor skilled apprenticeship programs, they never have... the only
way to learn is by knocking around from one small jobbing shop to another,
taking abuse for little pay. The US government has never sponsored
vocational training programs either. In Germany, Japan, and many other
industrialied countries a toolmaker is worth as much as a medical doctor.
From since before recorded history the toolmaker has alwasy been the most
important member of a society... the US has lost it's way. Unless the US
finds its way very quickly and begins to value the doers more than the
talkers it will be the shortest lived major empire ever... real change ain't
anywhere on the horizon... I think it's already too late.

"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
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>
> "Kswck" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Andy" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Uhhh.... the best auto industry in the world." --Barak Obama,
>>>> 4/30/2009
>>>>
>>>> Since when???
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Not since some forty years ago. Prior to 1965 one could buy a new
>>> American made auto and expect it to last ten, fifteen, twenty, even
>>> twenty five years. Now one rarely sees an American auto on the road
>>> that's more than five years old, they're built with the same obsolesence
>>> as incandescent light bulbs, they're throw aways. An American auto used
>>> to be considered an investment... and in fact one could write off the
>>> interest on an auto loan same as a mortgage... which of course would be
>>> one way to help save the US auto industry, bring back the interest
>>> deduction on auto loans for new US autos only. However lot more needs
>>> doing, US industry is certain to collapse within the next few years
>>> unless a huge push is brought to bear for vocational training... the US
>>> has a tremendous shortage of skilled machinists and tool makers, most
>>> tooling and precision parts are imported, have been for a long time. An
>>> economy can't exist with everyone driving a cubicle.
>>>
>>
>> Many cars have parts made in other countries. Chrysler have their motors
>> made by Mitsubishi or in Canada.
>>
> That's exactly what I said. The US auto worker is not skilled labor,
> assembly line production is not skilled... any monkey can be trained to
> put the round peg in the round hole and the square peg in the square hole.
> American manufacturing companies want to pay skilled workers at the
> unskilled labor rate so it's no wonder there are no young folks who want
> to serve a machinist/toolmaker apprenticeship, and in fact American
> industry doesn't sponsor skilled apprenticeship programs, they never
> have... the only way to learn is by knocking around from one small jobbing
> shop to another, taking abuse for little pay. The US government has never
> sponsored vocational training programs either. In Germany, Japan, and
> many other industrialied countries a toolmaker is worth as much as a
> medical doctor. From since before recorded history the toolmaker has
> alwasy been the most important member of a society... the US has lost it's
> way. Unless the US finds its way very quickly and begins to value the
> doers more than the talkers it will be the shortest lived major empire
> ever... real change ain't anywhere on the horizon... I think it's already
> too late.
>

Honestly, what does it matter to you?

You don't have to work to pay your bills. You've already done it.

What are you really afraid of? You're afraid of being on the same level as
those you took advantage of for so many years.
I don't think it's right that you should be put in such a situation, but I
think it will be a humbling experience for you.

With no animosity,
TFM®