ChattyCathy wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
>> Victor Sack wrote:
>>> [malicious crossposting elided]
>>>
>>> Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>>>
>>> [snipped]
>>>
>>> For God's sake, Serene, don't you ever notice crosspostings?
>>>
>>> Get a better newsreader.
>>>
>>> Victor
>> I thought you should be made aware that your post was originally
>> crossposted. Ironic, ain't it?
>
> That it is <smirk>

Another classy move is when folks will chide others for posting to a
topic they deem as a troll post. "Do not feed the troll!" Of course,
they do this by posting to the troll topic. Sometimes they'll even end
up with a large number of posts. I love when that happens.

>
> What I wanna know is why Victor singled out Serene when several others
> had already done the same in earlier replies... And yes, I also thought
> his above reply to her terse to the point of rudeness.

>> Get a better newsreader? :-)
>
> My newsreader doesn't 'warn' me per se that I am about to crosspost, but
> before I hit 'send' I glance at the group(s) it shows I'm about to
> reply to. I (usually) just delete the obvious when necessary, but I
> forget occasionally. So sue me.

OK, I now sue thee! (sorry about that)

You're doing all that any right-minded person could be expected to do to
combat this deadly scourge. So am I. :-)

dsi1 wrote:

> ChattyCathy wrote:

>>
>> My newsreader doesn't 'warn' me per se that I am about to crosspost,
>> but before I hit 'send' I glance at the group(s) it shows I'm about
>> to reply to. I (usually) just delete the obvious when necessary, but
>> I forget occasionally. So sue me.
>
> OK, I now sue thee! (sorry about that)

<g>
>
> You're doing all that any right-minded person could be expected to do
> to combat this deadly scourge. So am I. :-)

Reminds me of a Boss I had years ago... He could add up very long
columns of figures in his head (very quickly) and always arrived at the
correct answer first time round. (I know this because at first I didn't
believe him and checked his answers with a calculator - and he was
always right). So one day I said to him, "Dunno how you can do that so
fast and so accurately without a calculator, I know I can't." and he
said, "I have a calculator - up here. [He was pointing a finger at his
head] It's called a brain." <laugh>.

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

"ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
...
> dsi1 wrote:
>
>> Victor Sack wrote:
>>> [malicious crossposting elided]
>>>
>>> Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>>>
>>> [snipped]
>>>
>>> For God's sake, Serene, don't you ever notice crosspostings?
>>>
>>> Get a better newsreader.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>
>> I thought you should be made aware that your post was originally
>> crossposted. Ironic, ain't it?
>
> That it is <smirk>
>
> What I wanna know is why Victor singled out Serene when several others
> had already done the same in earlier replies... And yes, I also thought
> his above reply to her terse to the point of rudeness.

Victor is not an equal opportunist like me... he's a cowardly preditor,
focuses his wrath on who he perceives to be the least able to defend
themselves... very typical of those who choose who they want to like them by
how likely they're least apt to be competion and so engage in selective ass
kissing. You'd know if Victor perceived you a non threat, you'd have
hickeys all over your butt.

>> Get a better newsreader? :-)
>
> My newsreader doesn't 'warn' me per se that I am about to crosspost, but
> before I hit 'send' I glance at the group(s) it shows I'm about to
> reply to. I (usually) just delete the obvious when necessary, but I
> forget occasionally. So sue me.
>
>
That's most normal people.

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 09:28:51 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:

> dsi1 wrote:
>
>> Victor Sack wrote:
>>> [malicious crossposting elided]
>>>
>>> Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>>>
>>> [snipped]
>>>
>>> For God's sake, Serene, don't you ever notice crosspostings?
>>>
>>> Get a better newsreader.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>
>> I thought you should be made aware that your post was originally
>> crossposted. Ironic, ain't it?
>
> That it is <smirk>
>
> What I wanna know is why Victor singled out Serene when several others
> had already done the same in earlier replies... And yes, I also thought
> his above reply to her terse to the point of rudeness.
>>
>> Get a better newsreader? :-)
>
> My newsreader doesn't 'warn' me per se that I am about to crosspost, but
> before I hit 'send' I glance at the group(s) it shows I'm about to
> reply to. I (usually) just delete the obvious when necessary, but I
> forget occasionally. So sue me.

the vital question is: is this crime more heinous or less heinous than
taking eleven items through the express checkout?

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:

> On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 09:28:51 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:

>>
>> My newsreader doesn't 'warn' me per se that I am about to crosspost,
>> but before I hit 'send' I glance at the group(s) it shows I'm about
>> to reply to. I (usually) just delete the obvious when necessary, but
>> I forget occasionally. So sue me.
>
> the vital question is: is this crime more heinous or less heinous than
> taking eleven items through the express checkout?

I'd say they're on a par... but then who am I to judge?
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

ChattyCathy wrote:

> dsi1 wrote:
>
> > Victor Sack wrote:
> >> [malicious crossposting elided]
> >>
> >> Serene Vannoy > wrote:
> >>
> >> [snipped]
> >>
> >> For God's sake, Serene, don't you ever notice crosspostings?
> >>
> >> Get a better newsreader.
> >>
> >> Victor
> >
> > I thought you should be made aware that your post was originally
> > crossposted. Ironic, ain't it?
>
> That it is <smirk>
>
> What I wanna know is why Victor singled out Serene when several others
> had already done the same in earlier replies... And yes, I also
> thought his above reply to her terse to the point of rudeness.

As always, I like the cross-post. That way my filters take care of it
up front.



Brian

--
Day 57 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project

ChattyCathy wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>
>>> My newsreader doesn't 'warn' me per se that I am about to crosspost,
>>> but before I hit 'send' I glance at the group(s) it shows I'm about
>>> to reply to. I (usually) just delete the obvious when necessary, but
>>> I forget occasionally. So sue me.
>> OK, I now sue thee! (sorry about that)
>
> <g>
>> You're doing all that any right-minded person could be expected to do
>> to combat this deadly scourge. So am I. :-)
>
> Reminds me of a Boss I had years ago... He could add up very long
> columns of figures in his head (very quickly) and always arrived at the
> correct answer first time round. (I know this because at first I didn't
> believe him and checked his answers with a calculator - and he was
> always right). So one day I said to him, "Dunno how you can do that so
> fast and so accurately without a calculator, I know I can't." and he
> said, "I have a calculator - up here. [He was pointing a finger at his
> head] It's called a brain." <laugh>.
>

I had a boss that was trained as an accountant and boy, could he work
that calculator - his fingers would be working that 10 key at a hundred
miles an hour while he looked at a sheet of figures as casually as the
Sunday paper. I don't know how he did it.

This skinny light-weight guy took me shooting at the gun range once. He
was into revolvers and would fire off hot rounds from a S&W .44 magnum.
He let me use his beautiful .357 Colt python with mild loads. His style
of shooting was to place one round into a chamber, fire it off and then
contemplate the shot. Zen-shooting. He was a dead shot too. OTOH, I was
bad, the kick from the "mild" loads made me flinch and the blasts from
his cannon next to me would make me skittish. Anyway, that's my boss
story. He started out as the accountant of the company and now is the
prez. :-)

Steve Pope > wrote:

> I like trn. If there is a way of disabling it from crossposting,
> I would do that as I as well sometimes don't see a crosspost when
> replying. But otherwise, I'm not going to switch newsreaders
> just for this reason.

trn used to display a warning before posting, something like "are you
sure you want to post this to thousands of machines all over the world?
y/n". If your version still does it, it surely gives you an opportunity
to check your reply for crossposting, among other things. trn, with its
true graphical thread tree, is certainly one of the best newsreaders
otherwise.

Victor

dsi1 > wrote:

> I thought you should be made aware that your post was originally
> crossposted. Ironic, ain't it?

It is more than ironic - it is positively ridiculous and inexcusable.
Very sorry about it.

Victor

ChattyCathy > wrote:

> What I wanna know is why Victor singled out Serene when several others
> had already done the same in earlier replies...

Whatever in the world makes you think this? Do you actually think so,
you do you just say so, for reasons of your own? It so happens that
every posting has a time stamp on it, making it easy to see when it was
posted. Most every newsreader makes it possible to sort by time posted.
And it is easy to see that there were no cross-postings in the thread
between Serene's post and mine.

OBFood: Soupe Aux Tripes, a very simple tripe soup, from _Cooking with
Pomiane_ by Edouard de Pomiane.

Victor

Soupe Aux Tripes

This is a sort of pot-au-feu in which the beef is replaced by tripe.

1 lb tripe
3 cloves garlic
6 ozs carrots
3 leeks
1/2 lb tomatoes
4 tablespoons olive oil
a bouquet of parsley, chervil and basil

Scrape the carrots and leave them whole. Wash and trim the leeks and
tie them into a bundle.
Mince the garlic and cut the tripe into very thin strips. Chop the
herbs finely and slice the tomatoes in two.
Pour the olive oil into a heavy saucepan and fry the garlic golden
brown. Add 4 pints of water and bring it to the boil.
Add the carrots, leeks and tomatoes and plenty of salt and pepper and
bring them to the boiling point once more. Add the tripe and, when it
is boiling, cover the pan and simmer for 3 hours. Taste the soup and
adjust the seasoning to suit your palate. Remove the vegetables.
Boil for 5 minutes more and then serve to each of your guests a couple
of ladles full of tender tripe and golden broth. All but the most
snobbish will enjoy this soup.

Victor Sack wrote:
> dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> I thought you should be made aware that your post was originally
>> crossposted. Ironic, ain't it?
>
> It is more than ironic - it is positively ridiculous and inexcusable.
> Very sorry about it.

Now you're making me feel bad for mentioning it. I've crossposted
myself, but won't if I can help it. That's all we can hope to do. :-)

>
> Victor

Victor Sack wrote:

> ChattyCathy > wrote:
>
>> What I wanna know is why Victor singled out Serene when several
>> others had already done the same in earlier replies...
>
> Whatever in the world makes you think this? Do you actually think so,
> you do you just say so, for reasons of your own? It so happens that
> every posting has a time stamp on it, making it easy to see when it
> was
> posted. Most every newsreader makes it possible to sort by time
> posted.

Indeed. As does mine.

> And it is easy to see that there were no cross-postings in the
> thread between Serene's post and mine.

I beg to differ. Serene posted her (food-related) reply on the 29th
March at 05:10 (my time). Steve Pope also replied (again food-related
but with cross-posts) on the 29th at 05:22, then Bobo Bonobo (Bryan)
responded to the OP (also without removing the cross-posting) on the
29th at 05:27. He did point out that he thought it might be a troll
post, I'll give you that...

However, *your* response to Serene was posted on the 29th at 06:06.
Think you need to get a better newsreader (or maybe you have those
posters kf'd, who knows?).

Either way, may I remind you that r.f.c is *not* a moderated group, so
taking Serene to task about this was a tad over the top, IMNSHO. And of
course (as you have already admitted in your post dated April 1st at
23:59) your forgetting to remove the cross posts yourself was a big
faux pas too. <laugh> IOW, sh*t happens.

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:29:12 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 09:28:51 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:
>
>>>
>>> My newsreader doesn't 'warn' me per se that I am about to crosspost,
>>> but before I hit 'send' I glance at the group(s) it shows I'm about
>>> to reply to. I (usually) just delete the obvious when necessary, but
>>> I forget occasionally. So sue me.
>>
>> the vital question is: is this crime more heinous or less heinous than
>> taking eleven items through the express checkout?
>
> I'd say they're on a par... but then who am I to judge?

<snort>

it would be irresponsible not to.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:53:28 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:
>
> Either way, may I remind you that r.f.c is *not* a moderated group, so
> taking Serene to task about this was a tad over the top, IMNSHO. And of
> course (as you have already admitted in your post dated April 1st at
> 23:59) your forgetting to remove the cross posts yourself was a big
> faux pas too. <laugh> IOW, sh*t happens.

sure, shit happens, but it's not supposed to happen *to me*. there's a
flaw in the system somewhere.

your pal,
blake

ChattyCathy > wrote:

> I beg to differ. Serene posted her (food-related) reply on the 29th
> March at 05:10 (my time). Steve Pope also replied (again food-related
> but with cross-posts) on the 29th at 05:22, then Bobo Bonobo (Bryan)
> responded to the OP (also without removing the cross-posting) on the
> 29th at 05:27. He did point out that he thought it might be a troll
> post, I'll give you that...
>
> However, *your* response to Serene was posted on the 29th at 06:06.
> Think you need to get a better newsreader (or maybe you have those
> posters kf'd, who knows?).

There was one single post, modom's (not crossposted), between mine and
Serene's. What time stamps does your newsreader or newsserver presents
to you? Those of the newsreader of the poster, of the outgoing
newsserver, or of the receiving newsserver? It can make a big
difference on occasion.

> Either way, may I remind you that r.f.c is *not* a moderated group, so
> taking Serene to task about this was a tad over the top, IMNSHO.

Nonsense. In a moderated newsgroup her message just would not get
posted. It is in unmoderated newsgroups that people take each other to
task. Peer pressure makes the world go round. Do you even know what
happens in other newsgroups and how they prosper, die, or get split up,
all because of people's initiative or lack of such? How long have you
been around?

ObFood: Here is a recipe for a kind of mushroom paprikás with poached
eggs, which is based on the Gundel's recipe and which I like very much.
I personally prefer to omit caraway and green pepper and add a bit more
paprika and tomatoes.

Poached eggs Bakony-style

100 g (3.5 oz) onions
120 g (4.2 oz) butter
15 g (0.5 oz) paprika
350 g (12 oz) mushrooms
salt, garlic, ground caraway, parsley
160 g (5.6 oz) green pepper
80 g (3 oz) tomatoes
300 g (11 oz) sour cream
30 g (1.1 oz) flour
12 poached eggs
4 helpings cooked rice

Lightly fry finely minced onions in butter, add paprika and mix
briskly, and immediately add mushrooms cut into not too wide slices.
Add salt, garlic, ground caraway and parsley. Let the cooking juices
reduce and add cubed pepper and tomatoes, then add a bit of stock made
of bones, or water, and simmer, covered. Mix the sour cream with the
flour and add to the mushrooms.
Into the boiling salted water slide in the shelled eggs and cook for
no longer than 3 minutes. Take out with a perforated spoon, dip in cold
water and trim the edges. Place the eggs on a bed of cooked rice, pour
the mushroom sauce over everything and sprinkle some finely chopped
parsley over the eggs. One can also sprinkle a bit of melted fat with
paprika over the eggs.
This dish is even better and acquires a more Hungarian character if,
instead of butter, it is prepared with melted smoked bacon fat.

ChattyCathy > wrote:

> So what would you make of this? Still looks to me like there were 3
> posts between Serene's post and yours... Maybe they hit your newsserver
> at different times because of propagation etc. Who knows?
>
> IIRC, you're in Germany - which puts you in exactly the same time zone
> as me (local time) at the moment, is that correct? BTW, what timestamps
> does your newsreader or newsserver present to you, for the same bunch
> of posts?

The whole thing may sometimes get complicated because of possible
various local and remote setup misconfigurations and software glitches.
The most common one is, of course, local time and time-zone settings of
posters' own computers. (Just as an example, I am going to send off
this post with my computer clock deliberately set incorrectly.) Then,
there may be newsservers' software glitches. A newsserver can receive
posts and hold them, not doing anything, and then release them, at the
same time putting on its time stamp.

Time stamps one sees depend on the newsservers. Some put theirs on,
some do not. Mine does not. I get to see time stamps of some of the
newsservers of other posters only.

> > Nonsense. In a moderated newsgroup her message just would not get
> > posted. It is in unmoderated newsgroups that people take each other
> > to task. Peer pressure makes the world go round.
>
> You call it peer pressure, I call it Netkopping. <shrug>

Netcopping is reporting someone.

ObFood: Oeufs en meurette, from _Bistro Cooking_ by Patricia Wells.

Victor

Oeufs en Meurette
Poached Eggs with Red Wine Sauce

1 carrot, peeled and cubed
2 shallots, minced
2 imported bay leaves
2 garlic cloves, minced
1 sprig of fresh rosemary or tarragon
2 cups (500 ml) full-bodied red wine, such as a Côtes-du-Rhône, Cahors,
or Madiran
8 slices French bread or any good homemade bread, cut into 1/2-inch (1.5
cm) thick slices, crusts removed, cut into even 3-inch (7.5 cm) rounds
with a biscuit cutter
2 garlic cloves, peeled and halved
1 tablespoon (1/2 ounce; 15 g) unsalted butter, softened
1 tablespoon all-purpose flour
2 tablespoons distilled vinegar
8 extra-large eggs, at room temperature
Salt and freshly ground black pepper

1. In a medium-size nonreactive saucepan, combine the carrot, shallots,
bay leaves, minced garlic, rosemary, and wine over high heat. Boil
until reduced by half, about 10 minutes. Strain the wine; discard the
vegetables and herbs. (This step can be done well in advance and the
wine refrigerated.)

2. Preheat the broiler.

3. Toast the bread on both sides until golden brown. Remove from the
oven and immediately rub on both sides with a cut garlic clove.

4. Complete the red wine sauce: On a plate, mash the butter and flour
together to form a well-blended paste (beurre manie). In a small
nonreactive saucepan, bring the reduced wine to a simmer. Carefully
whisk in the butter and flour paste, a little at a time, until the sauce
is lightly thickened and glossy. Remove from the heat and keep warm.

5. In two shallow 10-inch (25.5 cm) pans, bring 3 inches (7.5 cm) of
water and 1 tablespoon of vinegar to a boil. Turn off the heat and
immediately break 4 eggs directly into the water in each pan, carefully
opening the shells close to the water's surface, so the eggs slip into
the water in one piece. Immediately cover the pans with tight-fitting
lids to retain the heat. Do not disturb the pans. Allow the eggs to
cook for three minutes before lifting the lids. The eggs are ready when
the whites are opaque and the yolks are covered with a thin, translucent
layer of white.

6. While the eggs cook, place 2 toasts (croutons) on each of 4 warmed
plates Using a flat, slotted spoon, carefully lift the eggs from the
water and place on top of the croutons. Spoon the wine sauce all
around, season with salt and pepper to taste, and serve immediately,
with additional toasted bread, if desired.
Yield: 4 servings

Victor Sack wrote:

> ChattyCathy > wrote:
>
> There was one single post, modom's (not crossposted), between mine and
> Serene's.

Yes I saw that too, but it wasn't crossposted so I didn't mention it.

> What time stamps does your newsreader or newsserver
> presents to you? Those of the newsreader of the poster, of the
> outgoing newsserver, or of the receiving newsserver? It can make a
> big difference on occasion.

AFAIAA, the timestamps on my newsreader come from my receiving
newsserver (which is in the US) - but I have my PC set to local South
African time, so it 'converts' them to my local time.

Anyway, I'm not 100% sure how it works exactly, and with all the
different time zones and newsservers we have worldwide I decided to go
and look at this thread on <gasp> Google Groups and see what timestamps
they had there. I then sorted the posts by date... and this is what I
saw:

OP
Newsgroups: de.alt.augenoptik, rec.food.cooking
From: Jasper Tiler >
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:07:45 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Mar 29 2009 5:07 am

Serene's post:
Newsgroups: de.alt.augenoptik, rec.food.cooking
From: Serene Vannoy >
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:10:17 -0700
Local: Sun, Mar 29 2009 5:10 am

Steve Pope's post:
Newsgroups: de.alt.augenoptik, rec.food.cooking
From: (Steve Pope)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 03:22:12 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Sun, Mar 29 2009 5:22 am

Bryan's post:
Newsgroups: de.alt.augenoptik, rec.food.cooking
From: Bobo Bonobo® >
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:27:44 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Mar 29 2009 5:27 am

modom's post:
Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
From: "modom (palindrome guy)" >
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:05:50 -0500
Local: Sun, Mar 29 2009 6:05 am

And your post:

Newsgroups: de.alt.augenoptik, rec.food.cooking
From: (Victor Sack)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:06:36 +0200
Local: Sun, Mar 29 2009 6:06 am

So what would you make of this? Still looks to me like there were 3
posts between Serene's post and yours... Maybe they hit your newsserver
at different times because of propagation etc. Who knows?

IIRC, you're in Germany - which puts you in exactly the same time zone
as me (local time) at the moment, is that correct? BTW, what timestamps
does your newsreader or newsserver present to you, for the same bunch
of posts? Or if you go and look at these posts on Google Groups, do you
see them in the same order? Would be quite interested to know.

>
>> Either way, may I remind you that r.f.c is *not* a moderated group,
>> so taking Serene to task about this was a tad over the top, IMNSHO.
>
> Nonsense. In a moderated newsgroup her message just would not get
> posted. It is in unmoderated newsgroups that people take each other
> to task. Peer pressure makes the world go round.

You call it peer pressure, I call it Netkopping. <shrug>

> Do you even know what happens in other newsgroups and how they
> prosper, die, or get split up, all because of people's initiative or
> lack of such?

Heh. I'm not worried about other newsgroups. The only one I follow on a
regular basis is r.f.c. - which has been going for years - and I don't
see it dying anytime soon because of a couple of cross-posts made in
error.

However, if rumors are to be believed, Usenet is on it's way out, so
let's enjoy it while it lasts...

> How long have you been around?

Long enough to know that you get 'grumpy' sometimes (just like a lot of
us here).

There is one thing you're forgetting here, tho'. Serene did not
cross-post on purpose. It was a mistake. We all make mistakes - even
you did <g>. In fact Serene is one of the best food-related posters
here and a great cook, IMHO. She rarely posts anything OT or
antagonizes other posters, so I still think you were being way too
harsh to her in your response.

>
> ObFood: Here is a recipe for a kind of mushroom paprikás with poached
> eggs, which is based on the Gundel's recipe and which I like very
> much. I personally prefer to omit caraway and green pepper and add a
> bit more paprika and tomatoes.
>
> Poached eggs Bakony-style

Very appropriate choice of recipe. Thanks. As I am sure you already know
we have chickens who produce plenty of eggs... Gonna show this one to
Dad - he loves this sort of thing and it sounds good to me too. I even
have all the other ingredients at hand. <g>

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

On Mar 28, 8:07*pm, Jasper Tiler > wrote:
> I want to cook something delicious, but I do not
> have a big budget. It must be for 2 persons and
> it must be tasty and it must not cost more than
> $5.
>
> What can I cook for less than $5???

This is a delicious and fool-proof recipe I got from my deceased aunt
(I never appreciated her enough when she was alive and we often didn't
get along, but she had many good qualities*):

One long generic sausage such as those from Alberto's, et al.

One bottle ketshup

One large onion

Slice the sausage and onion thinly and put them in a pan. Pour in the
whole bottle of ketshup, heat until the juices from the sausage seep
out, the ketshup thickens, and the onion pieces are cooked. Good as
is, or serve with bread or rice.

(She also had the idea of mixing coke with milk. It sounded weird to
me at first, but it didn't taste bad at all, and makes a good
substitute for chocolate milk.)

--
Ht

In article >,
ChattyCathy > wrote:

> Victor Sack wrote:

[snipped a lot of detail about who did what to whom and when]

> >> Either way, may I remind you that r.f.c is *not* a moderated group,
> >> so taking Serene to task about this was a tad over the top, IMNSHO.
> >
> > Nonsense. In a moderated newsgroup her message just would not get
> > posted. It is in unmoderated newsgroups that people take each other
> > to task. Peer pressure makes the world go round.
>
> You call it peer pressure, I call it Netkopping. <shrug>
>
> > Do you even know what happens in other newsgroups and how they
> > prosper, die, or get split up, all because of people's initiative or
> > lack of such?

There's sometimes a fine line between peer pressure and Netkopping. We
had an extremely valuable poster here, named Shankar Bhattacharyya. He
got tired of OT posts, and threatened to quit. I'm sorry, but it's just
an OT group. There is no way to make it stay on topic. RFR stays on
topic, but people (like me) refuse to post there. So he left, looks
like 2002.

> Heh. I'm not worried about other newsgroups. The only one I follow on a
> regular basis is r.f.c. - which has been going for years - and I don't
> see it dying anytime soon because of a couple of cross-posts made in
> error.
>
> However, if rumors are to be believed, Usenet is on it's way out, so
> let's enjoy it while it lasts...

We'll see. The founder and CEO of my ISP is a newsgroup fan. I see him
posting sometimes. I think my newserver will be one of the last to go.

> > How long have you been around?
>
> Long enough to know that you get 'grumpy' sometimes (just like a lot of
> us here).
>
> There is one thing you're forgetting here, tho'. Serene did not
> cross-post on purpose. It was a mistake. We all make mistakes - even
> you did <g>. In fact Serene is one of the best food-related posters
> here and a great cook, IMHO. She rarely posts anything OT or
> antagonizes other posters, so I still think you were being way too
> harsh to her in your response.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

htn963 wrote:

> (She also had the idea of mixing coke with milk. It sounded weird to
> me at first, but it didn't taste bad at all, and makes a good
> substitute for chocolate milk.)

I thought I came up with that drink. Anyway, good for your aunt. Coke
and milk is a good combination. You have to drink it within a few
minutes or you'll get a thick layer of icky cheezy material floating on
the top of some liquid that no longer looks like Coke or milk.

>
> --
> Ht

dsi1 wrote:
> htn963 wrote:
>
>> (She also had the idea of mixing coke with milk. It sounded weird to
>> me at first, but it didn't taste bad at all, and makes a good
>> substitute for chocolate milk.)
>
> I thought I came up with that drink. Anyway, good for your aunt. Coke
> and milk is a good combination. You have to drink it within a few
> minutes or you'll get a thick layer of icky cheezy material floating
> on the top of some liquid that no longer looks like Coke or milk.

Years and years ago I worked with a woman who drank Coke and
milk because she had an ulcer. It didn't sound very good, but she
seemed to like it. I have no idea if it was good for what ailed her.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>> htn963 wrote:
>>
>>> (She also had the idea of mixing coke with milk. It sounded weird to
>>> me at first, but it didn't taste bad at all, and makes a good
>>> substitute for chocolate milk.)
>>
>> I thought I came up with that drink. Anyway, good for your aunt. Coke
>> and milk is a good combination. You have to drink it within a few
>> minutes or you'll get a thick layer of icky cheezy material floating
>> on the top of some liquid that no longer looks like Coke or milk.
>
> Years and years ago I worked with a woman who drank Coke and
> milk because she had an ulcer. It didn't sound very good, but she
> seemed to like it. I have no idea if it was good for what ailed her.
> nancy

Once upon a time in another land my SIL used to drink something they
called a Purple Cow. Grapette soda and milk mixed together, looked
udderly revolting so I never tried it. She gave it up a long time ago too.

George Shirley wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:

>> Years and years ago I worked with a woman who drank Coke and
>> milk because she had an ulcer. It didn't sound very good, but she
>> seemed to like it. I have no idea if it was good for what ailed her.

> Once upon a time in another land my SIL used to drink something they
> called a Purple Cow. Grapette soda and milk mixed together, looked
> udderly revolting so I never tried it. She gave it up a long time ago
> too.

Oh, geez, that must have looked horrid.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>> htn963 wrote:
>>
>>> (She also had the idea of mixing coke with milk. It sounded weird to
>>> me at first, but it didn't taste bad at all, and makes a good
>>> substitute for chocolate milk.)
>>
>> I thought I came up with that drink. Anyway, good for your aunt. Coke
>> and milk is a good combination. You have to drink it within a few
>> minutes or you'll get a thick layer of icky cheezy material floating
>> on the top of some liquid that no longer looks like Coke or milk.
>
> Years and years ago I worked with a woman who drank Coke and
> milk because she had an ulcer. It didn't sound very good, but she
> seemed to like it. I have no idea if it was good for what ailed her.
> nancy

My general impression is that folks with ulcers are drawn towards milk.
Probably Coke and milk and baking soda would have worked better - on
second thought, leave out the Coke. :-)

dsi1 wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>> htn963 wrote:
>>>
>>>> (She also had the idea of mixing coke with milk. It sounded weird to
>>>> me at first, but it didn't taste bad at all, and makes a good
>>>> substitute for chocolate milk.)
>>>
>>> I thought I came up with that drink. Anyway, good for your aunt. Coke
>>> and milk is a good combination. You have to drink it within a few
>>> minutes or you'll get a thick layer of icky cheezy material floating
>>> on the top of some liquid that no longer looks like Coke or milk.
>>
>> Years and years ago I worked with a woman who drank Coke and
>> milk because she had an ulcer. It didn't sound very good, but she
>> seemed to like it. I have no idea if it was good for what ailed her.
>> nancy
>
> My general impression is that folks with ulcers are drawn towards milk.
> Probably Coke and milk and baking soda would have worked better - on
> second thought, leave out the Coke. :-)

My father had three fourths of his stomach removed in 1957 due to
ulcers. I remember him eating saltine crackers crushed in milk to soothe
his ulcers. He lived on that and Tums for years. Of course back then
they didn't know that stomach ulcers are caused by a bacteria and are
easily curable. Dad lived another 25 years but never weighed above 130
lbs after the surgery. He ate a tablespoon of baby food every hour he
was awake for years to stretch what remained of his stomach out to the
point he could actually eat a meal.

George Shirley wrote:

> My father had three fourths of his stomach removed in 1957 due to
> ulcers. I remember him eating saltine crackers crushed in milk to soothe
> his ulcers. He lived on that and Tums for years. Of course back then
> they didn't know that stomach ulcers are caused by a bacteria and are
> easily curable. Dad lived another 25 years but never weighed above 130
> lbs after the surgery. He ate a tablespoon of baby food every hour he
> was awake for years to stretch what remained of his stomach out to the
> point he could actually eat a meal.

Stomach ulcers are easily cured? That's pretty good news. That's one
less thing I have to worry about. :-)

dsi1 wrote on Fri, 03 Apr 2009 11:41:36 -1000:

>> My father had three fourths of his stomach removed in 1957
>> due to ulcers. I remember him eating saltine crackers crushed
>> in milk to soothe his ulcers. He lived on that and Tums for
>> years. Of course back then they didn't know that stomach
>> ulcers are caused by a bacteria and are easily curable. Dad
>> lived another 25 years but never weighed above 130 lbs after the
>> surgery. He ate a tablespoon of baby food every hour he
>> was awake for years to stretch what remained of his stomach
>> out to the point he could actually eat a meal.


>Stomach ulcers are easily cured? That's pretty good news. That's one
>less thing I have to worry about. :-)

It is an interesting story, especially in overcoming the scepticism of
physicians. It was a rather heroic effort in that the description of
the major cause was proved when Warren infected himself with Heliobacter
pylori and cured the ulcers with antibiotics. See
http://opa.faseb.org/pdf/pylori.pdf for example.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

James Silverton wrote:
> dsi1 wrote on Fri, 03 Apr 2009 11:41:36 -1000:

>> Stomach ulcers are easily cured? That's pretty good news. That's one
>> less thing I have to worry about. :-)
>
> It is an interesting story, especially in overcoming the scepticism of
> physicians. It was a rather heroic effort in that the description of
> the major cause was proved when Warren infected himself with
> Heliobacter pylori and cured the ulcers with antibiotics. See
> http://opa.faseb.org/pdf/pylori.pdf for example.

I wonder if they ever concluded that it's a cause of Crohn's Disease,
as well. Probably not, I think I would have heard about that.

nancy

James Silverton wrote:

>
>> Stomach ulcers are easily cured? That's pretty good news. That's one
>> less thing I have to worry about. :-)
>
> It is an interesting story, especially in overcoming the scepticism of
> physicians. It was a rather heroic effort in that the description of
> the major cause was proved when Warren infected himself with Heliobacter
> pylori and cured the ulcers with antibiotics. See
> http://opa.faseb.org/pdf/pylori.pdf for example.
>

Thanks for the link. I'm guessing that the article cited was published
about 10 years age. Is there a vaccine for peptic ulcers being used
today? My brother in law may suffer from this. Thanks.

dsi1 wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> htn963 wrote:
>>>
>>>> (She also had the idea of mixing coke with milk. It sounded weird to
>>>> me at first, but it didn't taste bad at all, and makes a good
>>>> substitute for chocolate milk.)
>>>
>>>
>>> I thought I came up with that drink. Anyway, good for your aunt. Coke
>>> and milk is a good combination. You have to drink it within a few
>>> minutes or you'll get a thick layer of icky cheezy material floating
>>> on the top of some liquid that no longer looks like Coke or milk.
>>
>>
>> Years and years ago I worked with a woman who drank Coke and
>> milk because she had an ulcer. It didn't sound very good, but she
>> seemed to like it. I have no idea if it was good for what ailed her.
>> nancy
>
>
> My general impression is that folks with ulcers are drawn towards milk.
> Probably Coke and milk and baking soda would have worked better - on
> second thought, leave out the Coke. :-)

Remember "Laverne & Shirly"? Pepsi & milk. I have a friend who likes
orange juice and milk, neither the OJ or the Coke or Pepsi & milk do
anything for me, but vanilla ice cream & coke that's another story
altogether and even better is a root beer float.
--
JL

Joseph Littleshoes wrote:

>> My general impression is that folks with ulcers are drawn towards
>> milk. Probably Coke and milk and baking soda would have worked better
>> - on second thought, leave out the Coke. :-)
>
> Remember "Laverne & Shirly"? Pepsi & milk. I have a friend who likes
> orange juice and milk, neither the OJ or the Coke or Pepsi & milk do
> anything for me, but vanilla ice cream & coke that's another story
> altogether and even better is a root beer float.

I never watched that show. It seemed kinda goofy to me, but I guess that
was the whole point. :-)

Oddly enough, Pepsi/Coke and milk reminds me very much of a root beer
float. It's very tasty! However, I rarely make it - I guess it's kinda
goofy too. OJ and milk - gives me the chills just thinking about it.

> --
> JL
>

dsi1 wrote:

> Stomach ulcers are easily cured? That's pretty good news. That's one
> less thing I have to worry about. :-)

Yes, peptic ulcers can be cured. Had one myself a while back. My Doc put
me on a course of antibiotics and about 3 weeks later, no more
ulcer.

OBFood: I also like Coke and ice cream.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

In article >, dsi1 > wrote:


> goofy too. OJ and milk - gives me the chills just thinking about it.

Orange Julius?

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel said...

> In article >, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>
>> goofy too. OJ and milk - gives me the chills just thinking about it.
>
> Orange Julius?


Or the orange/vanilla ice cream popsicles! :9

Andy

Victor Sack wrote:

> ChattyCathy > wrote:

>
>> > Nonsense. In a moderated newsgroup her message just would not get
>> > posted. It is in unmoderated newsgroups that people take each
>> > other
>> > to task. Peer pressure makes the world go round.
>>
>> You call it peer pressure, I call it Netkopping. <shrug>
>
> Netcopping is reporting someone.

OK. If that's the way you see it...

>
> ObFood: Oeufs en meurette, from _Bistro Cooking_ by Patricia Wells.
>
> Victor
>
> Oeufs en Meurette
> Poached Eggs with Red Wine Sauce

Another good one, thanks. It has eggs, wine and garlic, what more could
I ask for? ;-)

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

l, not -l said...

>
> On 4-Apr-2009, Andy > wrote:
>
>> Dan Abel said...
>>
>> > In article >, dsi1 > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> goofy too. OJ and milk - gives me the chills just thinking about it.
>> >
>> > Orange Julius?
>>
>>
>> Or the orange/vanilla ice cream popsicles! :9
>>
>> Andy
>
> Yummmmm; Creamsicle and Dreamsicle


l, not -l,

Creamsicle! That's it!

It's been a long time!

Best,

Andy

l, not -l said...

>
> On 4-Apr-2009, Andy > wrote:
>
>> l, not -l,
>>
>> Creamsicle! That's it!
>>
>> It's been a long time!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Andy
>
> You must have lived in a more affluent area than I; Creamsicle had ice
> cream inside the orange coating. In my neighborhood, we only had
> Dreamsicle, which was cheaper and had ice milk inside.
>
> Now I'm thinking I might want to put that on the grocery shopping list.


l, not -l,

LOL!!! Me too!

Where have all the Good Humor Men gone?

Long time passing!

Best,

Andy
When will we ever learn?

On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:51:45 -1000, dsi1 wrote:

> Nancy Young wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>> htn963 wrote:
>>>
>>>> (She also had the idea of mixing coke with milk. It sounded weird to
>>>> me at first, but it didn't taste bad at all, and makes a good
>>>> substitute for chocolate milk.)
>>>
>>> I thought I came up with that drink. Anyway, good for your aunt. Coke
>>> and milk is a good combination. You have to drink it within a few
>>> minutes or you'll get a thick layer of icky cheezy material floating
>>> on the top of some liquid that no longer looks like Coke or milk.
>>
>> Years and years ago I worked with a woman who drank Coke and
>> milk because she had an ulcer. It didn't sound very good, but she
>> seemed to like it. I have no idea if it was good for what ailed her.
>> nancy
>
> My general impression is that folks with ulcers are drawn towards milk.
> Probably Coke and milk and baking soda would have worked better - on
> second thought, leave out the Coke. :-)

i've heard of scotch and milk, but never coke.

your pal,
blake

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>
>> goofy too. OJ and milk - gives me the chills just thinking about it.
>
> Orange Julius?
>

Never had one of those, I believe there's egg whites in that drink.
Maybe I'll try one of those although the possibility exists that there
are none to be found here.

Andy wrote:
> Dan Abel said...
>
>> In article >, dsi1 > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> goofy too. OJ and milk - gives me the chills just thinking about it.
>> Orange Julius?
>
>
> Or the orange/vanilla ice cream popsicles! :9

Those are good - cremesicles. Looks like I'll have to get some of that -
I'm so suggestible. :-)

>
> Andy