http://www.recfoodcooking.com
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Cheers
Chatty Cathy

On Jan 25, 12:47*pm, ChattyCathy > wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
> --
> Cheers *
> Chatty Cathy

Up until 2 years ago, I would have answered "over 20 years" for my
microwave's age. If it hadn't cost more for the klystron to be
replaced than to buy a new one, I'd still have it<G>.

I'm such a profligate.

maxine in newton

In article >,
ChattyCathy > wrote:

> http://www.recfoodcooking.com

Interesting survey, thanks CC!

We recently replaced ours. Our first microwave lasted about 15 years.
The last 3 have lasted less than 5. I blame the manufacturers! It's
why I'm reluctant to replace the kitchen 'frige. It's over 25 years old
and still working. Just looks a bit ratty.

Things don't last as long as they used to any more!

Ours has a turntable and I've no idea if I can switch it off, nor do I
care to. Why would you want to turn off the turntable?
--
Peace! Om

"Any ship can be a minesweeper. Once." -- Anonymous

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> ChattyCathy > wrote:
>
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> Interesting survey, thanks CC!
>
> We recently replaced ours. Our first microwave lasted about 15 years.
> The last 3 have lasted less than 5. I blame the manufacturers! It's
> why I'm reluctant to replace the kitchen 'frige. It's over 25 years old
> and still working. Just looks a bit ratty.
>
> Things don't last as long as they used to any more!
>
> Ours has a turntable and I've no idea if I can switch it off, nor do I
> care to. Why would you want to turn off the turntable?
> --
> Peace! Om
>
> "Any ship can be a minesweeper. Once." -- Anonymous


I'm afraid that's my doing In recent microwave chatter I stated I
dislike my Sharp microwave because I can't turn off the turntable (nor
remove it). Sometimes I don't want it to turn. You can't put a rectangular
glass baking dish in it that won't turn due to its size, but the turntable
won't turn off, either. I bought the cheapest microwave possible at the
time. I was paying for moving from a neighborhood that rapidly went
downhill. I was dealing with a large monthly rent increase. My safety and
peace of mind was worth more than a lousy $200/month more in rent but I did
buy a cheap microwave. I've disliked it ever since. Especially the
turntable. It's no trouble to turn a pan/bowl/dish yourself, really. Have
we really gotten that lazy?

Jill

jmcquown wrote:

> My safety and peace of mind was worth more than a lousy $200/month
> more in rent but I did buy a cheap microwave.
> I've disliked it ever since. Especially the
> turntable. It's no trouble to turn a pan/bowl/dish yourself, really.
> Have we really gotten that lazy?

I don't think it's a case of being lazy. IMHO, most MW's I've seen have
turntables - and they are part of the design to ensure even cooking. I
honestly don't think that turning a pan a few times in the space of
30-35 minutes (if you're cooking that lasagna you mentioned) is really
going to give you the same even cooking, unless you're going to turn it
manually ever 30 seconds or so, of course.

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/48...scription.html

<quote>

2. Background Art

Microwaves injected into the interior of a microwave oven rebound about
the walls and door of the interior. As a result, the microwaves
sometimes interfere with one another to produce cold spots or
strengthen one another to produce hot spots. These cold spots and hot
spots vary depending upon the cookware inserted into the microwave
oven. To compensate for this non-uniformity of energy distribution a
number of microwave oven turntables have entered the market.

</quote>

Or more about it here...

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_a... er_direction

<quote>

The turntable in a microwave oven is driven by an alternating current
motor which may start in either direction at random and continues to
travel in that direction until stopping.

The reason for using a turntable in a microwave oven is that the
microwave energy is not evenly distributed across the oven. The
turntable allows the food to receive an equal amount of energy by
turning across the uneven microwave field. The microwave energy is
turned to heat within the food.

It actually does not matter in which direction the turntable rotates in
order to evenly cook the food.

</quote>
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

ChattyCathy said...

> jmcquown wrote:

hello?
Hello??
HELLO???

If the pan won't sit within the turntable's diameter, it's safe to assume it
will not rotate!

Jill's argument is childish stubbornness!

Buy a bigger microwave or bake it.

Andy
A- geometry student

"Andy" > wrote in message ...
> ChattyCathy said...
>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>
> hello?

I didn't write that. You did.

> Hello??
> HELLO???
>
> If the pan won't sit within the turntable's diameter, it's safe to assume
> it
> will not rotate!
>
a 13X9 glass pan won't fit in a small microwave oven.

> Jill's argument is childish stubbornness!
>
> Buy a bigger microwave or bake it.
>
Excuse me. But I had a bigger microwave and it died. And when I moved to a
much more expensive apartment I couldn't afford a big microwave. So how
about YOU get over it? I'm not too lazy to turn a dish a few times in a
microwave.

Jill

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> > Ours has a turntable and I've no idea if I can switch it off, nor do I
> > care to. Why would you want to turn off the turntable?
>
>
> I'm afraid that's my doing In recent microwave chatter I stated I
> dislike my Sharp microwave because I can't turn off the turntable (nor
> remove it). Sometimes I don't want it to turn. You can't put a rectangular
> glass baking dish in it that won't turn due to its size, but the turntable
> won't turn off, either. I bought the cheapest microwave possible at the
> time. I was paying for moving from a neighborhood that rapidly went
> downhill. I was dealing with a large monthly rent increase. My safety and
> peace of mind was worth more than a lousy $200/month more in rent but I did
> buy a cheap microwave. I've disliked it ever since. Especially the
> turntable. It's no trouble to turn a pan/bowl/dish yourself, really. Have
> we really gotten that lazy?
>
> Jill

When I'm lazy enough to use the microwave instead of actually cooking,
yes. <g>

I mostly use it for warming cooked food, but there are some exceptions...
--
Peace! Om

"Any ship can be a minesweeper. Once." -- Anonymous

Omelet wrote:

> When I'm lazy enough to use the microwave instead of actually cooking,
> yes. <g>
>
> I mostly use it for warming cooked food, but there are some exceptions...

Microwaves are good for steaming broccoli or spinach, cooking acorn
squash, butternut squash, potatoes. I cook fresh corn on the cob, rice,
pasta, make roux, roast garlic. I cook bacon, heat tortillas. I bring
cream cheese to room temp, soften butter, melt chocolate, decrystalize
honey. Cook popcorn, heat syrup for pancakes, cook scrambled eggs,
grits, oatmeal, and the most important thing... I make smores!

I told y'all, I need to of 'em!

Becca

jmcquown wrote:
> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
>> In article >,
>> ChattyCathy > wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>> Interesting survey, thanks CC!
>>
>> We recently replaced ours. Our first microwave lasted about 15 years.
>> The last 3 have lasted less than 5. I blame the manufacturers! It's
>> why I'm reluctant to replace the kitchen 'frige. It's over 25 years old
>> and still working. Just looks a bit ratty.
>>
>> Things don't last as long as they used to any more!
>>
>> Ours has a turntable and I've no idea if I can switch it off, nor do I
>> care to. Why would you want to turn off the turntable?
>> --
>> Peace! Om
>>
>> "Any ship can be a minesweeper. Once." -- Anonymous
>
>
> I'm afraid that's my doing In recent microwave chatter I stated I
> dislike my Sharp microwave because I can't turn off the turntable (nor
> remove it). Sometimes I don't want it to turn. You can't put a
> rectangular glass baking dish in it that won't turn due to its size, but
> the turntable won't turn off, either. I bought the cheapest microwave
> possible at the time. I was paying for moving from a neighborhood that
> rapidly went downhill. I was dealing with a large monthly rent
> increase. My safety and peace of mind was worth more than a lousy
> $200/month more in rent but I did buy a cheap microwave. I've disliked
> it ever since. Especially the turntable. It's no trouble to turn a
> pan/bowl/dish yourself, really. Have we really gotten that lazy?

It's not that it's difficult to turn pan/bowl/dish yourself,
it's that it's inconvenient to have to keep stopping the oven
and turning it and you don't get the same quality of even
heating that you get when it turns automatically. At least
that is my experience.

And yes, I'm that lazy. Don't know about others. ;-)

Kate

--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> ChattyCathy > wrote:
>
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> Interesting survey, thanks CC!
>
> We recently replaced ours. Our first microwave lasted about 15 years.
> The last 3 have lasted less than 5. I blame the manufacturers! It's
> why I'm reluctant to replace the kitchen 'frige. It's over 25 years old
> and still working. Just looks a bit ratty.
>
> Things don't last as long as they used to any more!

That's true.

> Ours has a turntable and I've no idea if I can switch it off, nor do I
> care to. Why would you want to turn off the turntable?

Exactly! I can't imagine circumstances where I would want
to turn it off. At least not for the sort of things I use
it for.

Kate


--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

In article >,
Kate Connally > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:

> That's true.
>
> > Ours has a turntable and I've no idea if I can switch it off, nor do I
> > care to. Why would you want to turn off the turntable?
>
> Exactly! I can't imagine circumstances where I would want
> to turn it off. At least not for the sort of things I use
> it for.

Most MW ovens are large enough to accept a 9" by 13" pan, but there
isn't room enough to turn.

But James S. brought up an interesting point. I assumed that every MW
had a paddle (sometimes called a stirrer). He suggested that MWs might
have *either* a paddle or a turntable. I asked Google, and got a couple
of hits that sure seemed to confirm that. That would mean that if you
had a MW with no paddle, and you disabled the turntable, that your food
might develop serious hot and cold spots. If the pan barely fits, and
your only turning is exactly 180 degrees, you might have trouble
balancing out the hot and cold spots. Most instructions for rotating
food in a MW that I've seen, call for 1/4 turn each time. Of course, a
huge lasagna that takes 50 minutes from first insertion into the MW, to
serving, will have time to balance out the temperature the same way it
would in a conventional oven, through simple conduction of heat.

I know that all of you didn't have enough to worry about, so I've added
yet another thing.

No charge!

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel wrote:

>
> Most MW ovens are large enough to accept a 9" by 13" pan, but there
> isn't room enough to turn.
>
> But James S. brought up an interesting point. I assumed that every MW
> had a paddle (sometimes called a stirrer). He suggested that MWs
> might
> have *either* a paddle or a turntable. I asked Google, and got a
> couple
> of hits that sure seemed to confirm that. That would mean that if you
> had a MW with no paddle, and you disabled the turntable, that your
> food
> might develop serious hot and cold spots. If the pan barely fits, and
> your only turning is exactly 180 degrees, you might have trouble
> balancing out the hot and cold spots. Most instructions for rotating
> food in a MW that I've seen, call for 1/4 turn each time. Of course,
> a huge lasagna that takes 50 minutes from first insertion into the MW,
> to serving, will have time to balance out the temperature the same way
> it would in a conventional oven, through simple conduction of heat.
>
> I know that all of you didn't have enough to worry about, so I've
> added yet another thing.
>
> No charge!
>
Heh. Actually got something for nothing today - life is looking up ;-)

FWIW, I pulled out the user manual for my MW. In the FAQ at the back of
the booklet, it states NOT to operate the oven empty or without
the 'glass tray' which must be placed on top of the 'rotating ring'.
(So it's just as well I never felt the need to remove either of them).
It also came with two racks and an extra tray that all fit nicely onto
the glass tray i.e. they can rotate freely and are big enough to handle
my 9x13 pyrex dish... Therefore, I think it's safe to assume that any
food I defrost/heat up/cook in my particular MW is supposed to rotate,
whether I want it to or not <veg>
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

"ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
...
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
> --
> Cheers
> Chatty Cathy



I'm not sure I know how to answer this survey so I didn't. MCINL doesn't
cover my scenario. I own two microwave ovens; they're in two different
kitchens in two different states. And they're vastly different both in
functionality/features and age.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:

> "ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Chatty Cathy
>
> I'm not sure I know how to answer this survey so I didn't. MCINL
> doesn't
> cover my scenario.

Oh, Puhhhh-leeeze.

> I own two microwave ovens; they're in two
> different
> kitchens in two different states. And they're vastly different both
> in functionality/features and age.

So, pray tell, do they both have turntables that you seem to dislike so
much?

BTW, I had two flat tires today. (And no, I'm not going to give the
group a blow-by-blow as to how that came about)...
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

In article >,
ChattyCathy > wrote:

> BTW, I had two flat tires today. (And no, I'm not going to give the
> group a blow-by-blow as to how that came about)...

Why not? It feels good to vent. <g>
That sounds seriously sucky.
--
Peace! Om

"Any ship can be a minesweeper. Once." -- Anonymous

Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> ChattyCathy > wrote:
>
>> BTW, I had two flat tires today. (And no, I'm not going to give the
>> group a blow-by-blow as to how that came about)...
>
> Why not? It feels good to vent. <g>
> That sounds seriously sucky.

In a word: Monday.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

In article >,
ChattyCathy > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > ChattyCathy > wrote:
> >
> >> BTW, I had two flat tires today. (And no, I'm not going to give the
> >> group a blow-by-blow as to how that came about)...
> >
> > Why not? It feels good to vent. <g>
> > That sounds seriously sucky.
>
> In a word: Monday.

Heh! Ok.

I still have to work tonight. Monday is generally one of our busiest
nights.
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Peace! Om

"Any ship can be a minesweeper. Once." -- Anonymous

"ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
news
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> "ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>> --
>>> Cheers
>>> Chatty Cathy
>>
>> I'm not sure I know how to answer this survey so I didn't. MCINL
>> doesn't
>> cover my scenario.
>
> Oh, Puhhhh-leeeze.
>
>> I own two microwave ovens; they're in two
>> different
>> kitchens in two different states. And they're vastly different both
>> in functionality/features and age.
>
> So, pray tell, do they both have turntables that you seem to dislike so
> much?
>
No, they don't both have turntables. The one in TN has a turntable that I
can't turn off. The other has a much larger cooking space and I can easily
turn a glass (pyrex) dish by hand. It's not so difficult to turn a dish by
hand every 10-15 minutes.

Jill

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:16:08 -0500, jmcquown wrote:

> "ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
> news
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> "ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Chatty Cathy
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I know how to answer this survey so I didn't. MCINL
>>> doesn't
>>> cover my scenario.
>>
>> Oh, Puhhhh-leeeze.
>>
>>> I own two microwave ovens; they're in two
>>> different
>>> kitchens in two different states. And they're vastly different both
>>> in functionality/features and age.
>>
>> So, pray tell, do they both have turntables that you seem to dislike so
>> much?
>>
> No, they don't both have turntables. The one in TN has a turntable that I
> can't turn off. The other has a much larger cooking space and I can easily
> turn a glass (pyrex) dish by hand. It's not so difficult to turn a dish by
> hand every 10-15 minutes.
>
> Jill

such a sturdy lass.

your pal,
blake

ChattyCathy wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com

I just got a new mwo a few years ago (3-5?).
My old one died. It was over 20 years old.
It had a dial type timer and no turntable.
It was quite primitive. The new one has all
the bells and whistles. Adjustable power,
special setting for defrosting and reheating.
I think it has a baked potato setting and it
definitely has a popcorn setting. Lot's of
other neat features. It's great.

Kate

--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

Good survey. I think I'm one of the last people I know to buy a
mike. When I started to work a 9.5 hour day, it was time to cave and
get one.

I'm on my second one.