[Looks like the golf course must be close to the ghetto...it *is* New
Orleans, after all...]


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/26/prudhomme

US chef hit by falling bullet


guardian.co.uk, Wednesday March 26 2008

"An American chef who thought he had been stung by a bee was stunned
when he
opened his shirt and saw a bullet drop out.

Paul Prudhomme was setting up his cooking tent on the golf range at
the
Zurich Classic of New Orleans yesterday, where the PGA Tour begins
tomorrow,
when he felt a sting in his right arm, just above his elbow.

The cook shook his shirt sleeve and a .22 caliber bullet fell to the
ground,
according to the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office.

Police believe Prudhomme, who did not require medical attention, was
hit by
a falling bullet, probably shot from somewhere within a mile-and-a-
half
radius of the golf course.

"He thought it was a bee sting," Col John Fortunato, spokesman for the
local
sheriff's office, said. "Within five minutes, he was back to doing
his
thing."

Witnesses said the bullet cut Prudhomme's skin on his arm and put a
hole in
his white chef's coat. But Prudhomme continued with his cooking.

The chef, who is well-known in his home country, rose to prominence
after
being named the first American-born executive chef of noted New
Orleans
restaurant Commander's Palace in 1975.

He was at the course to cook for players, their caddies and guests at
the
annual US golf professionals tournament.

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:26:38 -0600, Lou Decruss >
wrote:

>On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:44:42 -0700 (PDT), Gregory Morrow
> wrote:
>
>>[Looks like the golf course must be close to the ghetto...it *is* New
>>Orleans, after all...]
>>
>>
>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/26/prudhomme
>>
>>US chef hit by falling bullet
>
>He's actually lucky. Several years ago the Chicago suburb of
>Bloomingdale was having it's 4th of July festival. Someone in
>Keeneyville (yes that's actually a town) was a little over served and
>decided to shoot into the sky. The bullet traveled over a mile and
>landed in some kids head. It took the cops awhile, but they were
>able to figure out where the bullet came from and the shooter did (or
>is doing) time. IIRC he got 7 years.
>
>It would have been ironic if PP had died of a bullet rather than
>obesity.

Prudhomme's lost a lot of that weight:

http://www.cystinosisfoundation.org/MAD/MAD.html

On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:44:42 -0700 (PDT), Gregory Morrow
> wrote:

>[Looks like the golf course must be close to the ghetto...it *is* New
>Orleans, after all...]
>
>
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/26/prudhomme
>
>US chef hit by falling bullet

He's actually lucky. Several years ago the Chicago suburb of
Bloomingdale was having it's 4th of July festival. Someone in
Keeneyville (yes that's actually a town) was a little over served and
decided to shoot into the sky. The bullet traveled over a mile and
landed in some kids head. It took the cops awhile, but they were
able to figure out where the bullet came from and the shooter did (or
is doing) time. IIRC he got 7 years.

It would have been ironic if PP had died of a bullet rather than
obesity.

Lou

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:26:38 -0600, Lou Decruss >
wrote:

>On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:44:42 -0700 (PDT), Gregory Morrow
> wrote:
>
>>[Looks like the golf course must be close to the ghetto...it *is* New
>>Orleans, after all...]
>>
>>
>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/26/prudhomme
>>
>>US chef hit by falling bullet
>
>He's actually lucky. Several years ago the Chicago suburb of
>Bloomingdale was having it's 4th of July festival. Someone in
>Keeneyville (yes that's actually a town) was a little over served and
>decided to shoot into the sky. The bullet traveled over a mile and
>landed in some kids head. It took the cops awhile, but they were
>able to figure out where the bullet came from and the shooter did (or
>is doing) time. IIRC he got 7 years.
>
I thought that sort of thing was discredited by Myth Busters.

>It would have been ironic if PP had died of a bullet rather than
>obesity.
>
>Lou


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Lou Decruss wrote:
>>
> It would have been ironic if PP had died of a bullet rather than
> obesity.

Puh-leeze... don't be such a ninny... everyone dies of something,
you'll die ignorant.

sf wrote:
>
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:26:38 -0600, Lou Decruss >
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:44:42 -0700 (PDT), Gregory Morrow
> > wrote:
> >
> >>[Looks like the golf course must be close to the ghetto...it *is* New
> >>Orleans, after all...]
> >>
> >>
> >>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/26/prudhomme
> >>
> >>US chef hit by falling bullet
> >
> >He's actually lucky. Several years ago the Chicago suburb of
> >Bloomingdale was having it's 4th of July festival. Someone in
> >Keeneyville (yes that's actually a town) was a little over served and
> >decided to shoot into the sky. The bullet traveled over a mile and
> >landed in some kids head. It took the cops awhile, but they were
> >able to figure out where the bullet came from and the shooter did (or
> >is doing) time. IIRC he got 7 years.
> >
> I thought that sort of thing was discredited by Myth Busters.

Apparently you didn't pay enough attention to the details, the key one
being straight up vs. a few degrees off vertical.

sf wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:26:38 -0600, Lou Decruss >
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:44:42 -0700 (PDT), Gregory Morrow
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> [Looks like the golf course must be close to the ghetto...it *is*
>>> New Orleans, after all...]
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/26/prudhomme
>>>
>>> US chef hit by falling bullet
>>
>> He's actually lucky. Several years ago the Chicago suburb of
>> Bloomingdale was having it's 4th of July festival. Someone in
>> Keeneyville (yes that's actually a town) was a little over served and
>> decided to shoot into the sky. The bullet traveled over a mile and
>> landed in some kids head. It took the cops awhile, but they were
>> able to figure out where the bullet came from and the shooter did (or
>> is doing) time. IIRC he got 7 years.
>>
> I thought that sort of thing was discredited by Myth Busters.

What?, that a bullet can travel that far? I had a bullet fall next to me
when I was supposedly out of range of a shooting area. It puts sharp little
prickles up and down your body as you realize what it is. I was a good 3/4
mile away (next to the car) from where hunters were tuning up the rifles
before hunting season. I didn't hear it coming and it simply dropped at my
side. Of course, it wouldn't have happened at all if some jerk had fired in
the direction of the targets instead of being an asshole.
Janet

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:54:18 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>sf wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:26:38 -0600, Lou Decruss >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:44:42 -0700 (PDT), Gregory Morrow
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>[Looks like the golf course must be close to the ghetto...it *is* New
>> >>Orleans, after all...]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/26/prudhomme
>> >>
>> >>US chef hit by falling bullet
>> >
>> >He's actually lucky. Several years ago the Chicago suburb of
>> >Bloomingdale was having it's 4th of July festival. Someone in
>> >Keeneyville (yes that's actually a town) was a little over served and
>> >decided to shoot into the sky. The bullet traveled over a mile and
>> >landed in some kids head. It took the cops awhile, but they were
>> >able to figure out where the bullet came from and the shooter did (or
>> >is doing) time. IIRC he got 7 years.
>> >
>> I thought that sort of thing was discredited by Myth Busters.
>
>Apparently you didn't pay enough attention to the details, the key one
>being straight up vs. a few degrees off vertical.

I did pay attention and it was next to impossible to get anything
other than a nasty bump on the head.

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Janet Bostwick wrote:

> sf wrote:
> > On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:26:38 -0600, Lou Decruss >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:44:42 -0700 (PDT), Gregory Morrow
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > [Looks like the golf course must be close to the ghetto...it is
> > > > New Orleans, after all...]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/26/prudhomme
> > > >
> > > > US chef hit by falling bullet
> > >
> > > He's actually lucky. Several years ago the Chicago suburb of
> > > Bloomingdale was having it's 4th of July festival. Someone in
> > > Keeneyville (yes that's actually a town) was a little over served
> > > and decided to shoot into the sky. The bullet traveled over a
> > > mile and landed in some kids head. It took the cops awhile,
> > > but they were able to figure out where the bullet came from and
> > > the shooter did (or is doing) time. IIRC he got 7 years.
> > >
> > I thought that sort of thing was discredited by Myth Busters.
>
> What?, that a bullet can travel that far?

No, it's that a bullet fired straight up could come down and kill you.
The ones that do, like the example above, are fired at an angle and
never lose their ballistic trajectory. Ones fired straight up tumble
and reach terminal velocity.




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sf wrote:

>>> I thought that sort of thing was discredited by Myth Busters.
>> Apparently you didn't pay enough attention to the details, the key one
>> being straight up vs. a few degrees off vertical.
>
> I did pay attention and it was next to impossible to get anything
> other than a nasty bump on the head.
>
No, people get killed by these things frequently enough that it makes news.

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:59:16 -0400, Goomba38 >
wrote:

>sf wrote:
>
>>>> I thought that sort of thing was discredited by Myth Busters.
>>> Apparently you didn't pay enough attention to the details, the key one
>>> being straight up vs. a few degrees off vertical.
>>
>> I did pay attention and it was next to impossible to get anything
>> other than a nasty bump on the head.
>>
>No, people get killed by these things frequently enough that it makes news.

I went to their website. Apparently I *wasn't* paying attention.
Well, that's why the police say to stay indoors on holidays like July
4th and New Years when there's any chance of gunfire.

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Janet Bostwick wrote:

> sf wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:26:38 -0600, Lou Decruss > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:44:42 -0700 (PDT), Gregory Morrow
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> [Looks like the golf course must be close to the ghetto...it *is* New
>>>> Orleans, after all...]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/26/prudhomme
>>>>
>>>> US chef hit by falling bullet
>>>
>>> He's actually lucky. Several years ago the Chicago suburb of
>>> Bloomingdale was having it's 4th of July festival. Someone in
>>> Keeneyville (yes that's actually a town) was a little over served and
>>> decided to shoot into the sky. The bullet traveled over a mile and
>>> landed in some kids head. It took the cops awhile, but they were
>>> able to figure out where the bullet came from and the shooter did (or
>>> is doing) time. IIRC he got 7 years.
>>>
>> I thought that sort of thing was discredited by Myth Busters.
>
> What?, that a bullet can travel that far? I had a bullet fall next to me

Even a little .22 slug has a range of a mile, according to the packaging
(as it used to be, at least, when I was a hunter).


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Goomba38 wrote:
> sf wrote:
>
>>>> I thought that sort of thing was discredited by Myth Busters.
>>> Apparently you didn't pay enough attention to the details, the key one
>>> being straight up vs. a few degrees off vertical.
>>
>> I did pay attention and it was next to impossible to get anything
>> other than a nasty bump on the head.
>>
> No, people get killed by these things frequently enough that it makes news.


Someone gets hurt or killed nearly every New Year's Eve in
the ethnic
Denver neighborhoods when the guns begin firing at midnight.
I'd never
heard of the custom before we moved here.

gloria p.

On 2008-03-28, Puester > wrote:

> Denver neighborhoods when the guns begin firing at midnight.
> I'd never
> heard of the custom before we moved here.

It used to be common in SFBA, but I haven't heard any gunfire on 1/1 or 7/4
in yrs. Many SFBA towns installed gunfire locating devices, or claimed they
did and the custom is now quite rare. I hadn't heard gunfire in
Livermore for years, and it used to be common. Out here in the boonies,
where it's probably very safe to do so, no one bothers. I think it's an
urban affliction.

nb

sf wrote:
>
> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:54:18 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >sf wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:26:38 -0600, Lou Decruss >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:44:42 -0700 (PDT), Gregory Morrow
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>[Looks like the golf course must be close to the ghetto...it *is* New
> >> >>Orleans, after all...]
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/26/prudhomme
> >> >>
> >> >>US chef hit by falling bullet
> >> >
> >> >He's actually lucky. Several years ago the Chicago suburb of
> >> >Bloomingdale was having it's 4th of July festival. Someone in
> >> >Keeneyville (yes that's actually a town) was a little over served and
> >> >decided to shoot into the sky. The bullet traveled over a mile and
> >> >landed in some kids head. It took the cops awhile, but they were
> >> >able to figure out where the bullet came from and the shooter did (or
> >> >is doing) time. IIRC he got 7 years.
> >> >
> >> I thought that sort of thing was discredited by Myth Busters.
> >
> >Apparently you didn't pay enough attention to the details, the key one
> >being straight up vs. a few degrees off vertical.
>
> I did pay attention and it was next to impossible to get anything
> other than a nasty bump on the head.

No, you clearly missed the details.

The myth was about bullets fired straight up, and indeed if they are
fired straight up as in plumb bob straight up, it is impossible to get
anything more than a nasty bump if they land on you.

If they are fired just a few degrees off of vertical they can maintain a
ballistic trajectory, travel a significant distance and still have
lethal velocity and energy when they return to ground level.

How many degrees from vertical the threshold is would vary between
different bullet types due to differences in the bullet weight and
muzzle velocity and energy.

"Pete C." > wrote

> The myth was about bullets fired straight up, and indeed if they are
> fired straight up as in plumb bob straight up, it is impossible to get
> anything more than a nasty bump if they land on you.

My question to Mythbuster is this, was there someone insisting
that drunk people were firing guns perfectly straight into the air
and presumably killing themselves or the person standing right next
to them? (laugh) Sometimes I don't get their point.

nancy

Lou Decruss <Lou Decruss >> wrote:

> It would have been ironic if PP had died of a bullet rather than
> obesity.

He's already 68 years old, so you probably won't be able to
attribute to obesity what can probably be attributed to old age as
well.

Unless he fall through a manhole, gets stuck halfway into it, and
then gets decapitated by a car. Or something equally attributable
to his obesity ;-)

[Hey, it was just an example <shrug>]

ObFood: Raspberry iced tea mix with Torani white chocolate syrup(*)
and a small can of mandarin oranges with juice. Add water, shake,
and pour over ice. A raspberry-orange Italian cream soda. It's
really good. Needs vodka.

(*)
http://www.amazon.com/Torani-White-C...dp/B000GZGXCS\

-sw

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:31:21 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>I think it's an urban affliction.

It's an off shoot (sorry) ethnic folklore. The Irish in my
neighborhood used to bang pots and pans with wooden spoons at midnight
on New Year's Eve to scare away bad spirits.


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sf wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:31:21 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>I think it's an urban affliction.
>
> It's an off shoot (sorry) ethnic folklore. The Irish in my neighborhood
> used to bang pots and pans with wooden spoons at midnight on New Year's
> Eve to scare away bad spirits.

I thought the Irish would drink anything.

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On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 02:25:59 -0800, Blinky the Shark
> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:31:21 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>>>I think it's an urban affliction.
>>
>> It's an off shoot (sorry) ethnic folklore. The Irish in my neighborhood
>> used to bang pots and pans with wooden spoons at midnight on New Year's
>> Eve to scare away bad spirits.
>
>I thought the Irish would drink anything.



They probably did do it while drinking spirits, but it was their
children (my babysitters) who told me about the tradition.

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Blinky the Shark > wrote in
news

> I thought the Irish would drink anything.
>


LOL!

nb

"sf" wrote in message news
> I thought that sort of thing was discredited by Myth Busters.
>

Which part did you think they discredited? The part where what goes up must
come down? Or the part where people die from bullets fired into the air?
There have been several people in several cities that have died over the
years from bullets being fired into the air. Once in awhile the police get
lucky and find who did it, more often they never find the culprit.

Ms P

Nancy Young wrote:

>
> "Pete C." > wrote
>
> > The myth was about bullets fired straight up, and indeed if they are
> > fired straight up as in plumb bob straight up, it is impossible to
> > get anything more than a nasty bump if they land on you.
>
> My question to Mythbuster is this, was there someone insisting
> that drunk people were firing guns perfectly straight into the air
> and presumably killing themselves or the person standing right next
> to them? (laugh) Sometimes I don't get their point.

It doesn't have to be perfectly straight up. It has to be to the point
where the bullet loses ballistic trajectory and begins to tumble. I
don't know what that angle is, and I don't recall them experimenting to
determine it.



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Default User wrote:

>
> >
> > > The myth was about bullets fired straight up, and indeed if they are
> > > fired straight up as in plumb bob straight up, it is impossible to
> > > get anything more than a nasty bump if they land on you.
> >
> > My question to Mythbuster is this, was there someone insisting
> > that drunk people were firing guns perfectly straight into the air
> > and presumably killing themselves or the person standing right next
> > to them? (laugh) Sometimes I don't get their point.
>
> It doesn't have to be perfectly straight up. It has to be to the point
> where the bullet loses ballistic trajectory and begins to tumble. I
> don't know what that angle is, and I don't recall them experimenting to
> determine it.
>

The size and weight of the bullet have a lot to do with it too. A .22 bullet
has very little mass behind it and when falling with nothing more than
gravity behind it there is not that much energy. Having been hit by a blast
from a shotgun fired from about 30 yards away I am all too aware of the
effects. Of all the pellets that hit me, only those that struck by my
shoulder blades broke the skin, and did not penetrate.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Default User wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > > > The myth was about bullets fired straight up, and indeed if they are
> > > > fired straight up as in plumb bob straight up, it is impossible to
> > > > get anything more than a nasty bump if they land on you.
> > >
> > > My question to Mythbuster is this, was there someone insisting
> > > that drunk people were firing guns perfectly straight into the air
> > > and presumably killing themselves or the person standing right next
> > > to them? (laugh) Sometimes I don't get their point.
> >
> > It doesn't have to be perfectly straight up. It has to be to the point
> > where the bullet loses ballistic trajectory and begins to tumble. I
> > don't know what that angle is, and I don't recall them experimenting to
> > determine it.
> >
>
> The size and weight of the bullet have a lot to do with it too. A .22 bullet
> has very little mass behind it and when falling with nothing more than
> gravity behind it there is not that much energy. Having been hit by a blast
> from a shotgun fired from about 30 yards away I am all too aware of the
> effects. Of all the pellets that hit me, only those that struck by my
> shoulder blades broke the skin, and did not penetrate.

Yep, a shotgun (with a shot load) would be an exception since it has a
rather short lethal range even with a perfect trajectory.

On Mar 26, 10:44 pm, Gregory Morrow >
wrote:
> [Looks like the golf course must be close to the ghetto...it *is* New
> Orleans, after all...]
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/26/prudhomme
>
> US chef hit by falling bullet

If it had been Robert Irvine, he would have said he received the wound
while fighting in the Falklands against the Argentines. His Victoria
Cross is hanging on the wall at home to prove it. ;-)