Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting has?
What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.

In article >,
says...
> Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
> making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting has?
> What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.
>

It's not necessary, but gives a different result than unroasted bones -
darker color and a different flavor.

--
Peter Aitken

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:44:36 -0400, Richard McBeef
> wrote:

>Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
>making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting has?
>What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.

Not 'Necessary' but possibly desirable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maillard_reaction

The jury's out regarding the best way forward Some say 'Roast', Some
Say 'Don't Roast' and some say 'Roast some & don't roast the rest'.

YMMV. For what it's worth, to date, I've roasted bones for all of my
stock but the result tends to be a bit sweet. Must get around to
trying the other way.

Regards
JonH

"Richard McBeef" > wrote in message
...
> Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
> making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting has?
> What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.

roast to make brown stock
don't roast to make white stock

Richard McBeef wrote:
> Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
> making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting has?
> What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.

Brings out the flavour of the marrow in the bones; roasted bones have more
of an intense taste than raw bones. Just my opinion, of course. But it's
one reason I insist on a bone-in standing rib roast when I want to prepare
prime rib. The other reason is, if you slice the meat off the (cooked)
roast just right, you have nice meaty beef ribs for BBQ.

Jill

>Richard McBeef wrote:
>> Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
>> making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting has?
>> What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.

Not to detract from the question and the answers in this thread..but
has no one noticed that the poster is using the name of the fictional
person in the writings of the VT killer? This poster also posted
using the name of the killer. I find this odd..and maybe it is just
me, but I also find it a bit disturbing to say the least.

Christine

"Christine Dabney" > wrote

>>Richard McBeef wrote:
>>> Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
>>> making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting has?
>>> What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.
>
> Not to detract from the question and the answers in this thread..but
> has no one noticed that the poster is using the name of the fictional
> person in the writings of the VT killer? This poster also posted
> using the name of the killer. I find this odd..and maybe it is just
> me, but I also find it a bit disturbing to say the least.

Huh. I hadn't noticed. What a jerk.

nancy

Christine Dabney wrote:
>> Richard McBeef wrote:
>>> Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
>>> making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting
>>> has? What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.
>
> Not to detract from the question and the answers in this thread..but
> has no one noticed that the poster is using the name of the fictional
> person in the writings of the VT killer? This poster also posted
> using the name of the killer. I find this odd..and maybe it is just
> me, but I also find it a bit disturbing to say the least.
>
> Christine

I didn't see that in my original repy and I still don't see it here.
Reading other replies I now see it. What an asshole!

Jill

Richard McBeef wrote:
> Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
> making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting has?
> What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.

> In article >,

You're making fun of the assassinations of the students at V. Tech by using
this ID?! What kind of a loser asshole are you?! PLONK DICKHEAD. And you
may be complicit so I'm forwarding this to the FBI in Quantico. See how you
feel about joking around now, asshole.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> Richard McBeef wrote:
> > Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
> > making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting has?
> > What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.
>
> > In article >,
>
> You're making fun of the assassinations of the students at V. Tech by
using
> this ID?! What kind of a loser asshole are you?! PLONK DICKHEAD. And
you
> may be complicit so I'm forwarding this to the FBI in Quantico. See how
you
> feel about joking around now, asshole.

Kudos for spotting that. I almost replied to the SOB before reading the
posts. Sick *******, indeed.

Paul

Richard McBeef wrote:
> Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
> making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting has?

Carmelization adds to the flavor.

> What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.

No flavor?

Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Richard McBeef wrote:
>>> Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
>>> making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting
>>> has? What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.
>>
>>> In article >,
>>>
>>
>> You're making fun of the assassinations of the students at V. Tech
>> by using this ID?! What kind of a loser asshole are you?! PLONK
>> DICKHEAD. And you may be complicit so I'm forwarding this to the
>> FBI in Quantico. See how you feel about joking around now, asshole.
>
> Kudos for spotting that. I almost replied to the SOB before reading
> the posts. Sick *******, indeed.
>
> Paul

I can't take credit for first spotting it, but I DID report him to the FBI.
I imagine they want to track and question anyone with even the most tenuous
ties to this V. Tech assassin (keyword there being *ass*). Hopefully they
will make this "joker's" life miserable for a while. Complicit or not, it's
no joking matter. I can't believe some people think this is funny, I really
can't. It's a tragedy. And this dillhole comes on here using that name and
thinks it's funny? May they screw up the next 5 years of his life while he
tries to explain his way out of it, that's what I hope for.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Richard McBeef wrote:
>>>> Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
>>>> making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting
>>>> has? What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.
>>>> In article >,
>>>>
>>> You're making fun of the assassinations of the students at V. Tech
>>> by using this ID?! What kind of a loser asshole are you?! PLONK
>>> DICKHEAD. And you may be complicit so I'm forwarding this to the
>>> FBI in Quantico. See how you feel about joking around now, asshole.
>> Kudos for spotting that. I almost replied to the SOB before reading
>> the posts. Sick *******, indeed.
>>
>> Paul
>
> I can't take credit for first spotting it, but I DID report him to the FBI.
> I imagine they want to track and question anyone with even the most tenuous
> ties to this V. Tech assassin (keyword there being *ass*). Hopefully they
> will make this "joker's" life miserable for a while. Complicit or not, it's
> no joking matter. I can't believe some people think this is funny, I really
> can't. It's a tragedy. And this dillhole comes on here using that name and
> thinks it's funny? May they screw up the next 5 years of his life while he
> tries to explain his way out of it, that's what I hope for.
Jokes even in bad taste are not a crime. Fantasizing lengthy false
imprisonment is odd. Definitely unamerican!
Do you really think the fbi will investigate every bad joke related to
this? If anything you have self identified yourself to the authorities
as a bit dull.

jmcquown wrote:
> Richard McBeef wrote:
>> Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
>> making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting has?
>> What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.
>
>> In article >,
>
> You're making fun of the assassinations of the students at V. Tech by using
> this ID?! What kind of a loser asshole are you?! PLONK DICKHEAD. And you
> may be complicit so I'm forwarding this to the FBI in Quantico. See how you
> feel about joking around now, asshole.
Chill out. Just a joke. Fortunately, the fbi only hires smart people and
they will ignore your crank emails.
Do some googling. Many people have made some jokes about this already.
For example, did you see the fake blog done by, I believe, another vt
student?
Anyway, I suppose I guess it is too soon for this sort of thing.

On Apr 18, 8:51 pm, Beer Drinking Dog > wrote:
> Richard McBeef wrote:
> > Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
> > making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting has?
>
> Carmelization adds to the flavor.
>
> > What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.
>
> No flavor?

Some pros(I'm not one of them)take a brush and brush bones with honey
before roasting. Extra brown carmelized sugar; darker brown stock...

On Apr 18, 9:37 pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Richard McBeef wrote:
> >>> Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
> >>> making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting
> >>> has? What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.
>
> >>> In article >,
> >>>
>
> >> You're making fun of the assassinations of the students at V. Tech
> >> by using this ID?! What kind of a loser asshole are you?! PLONK
> >> DICKHEAD. And you may be complicit so I'm forwarding this to the
> >> FBI in Quantico. See how you feel about joking around now, asshole.
>
> > Kudos for spotting that. I almost replied to the SOB before reading
> > the posts. Sick *******, indeed.
>
> > Paul
>
> I can't take credit for first spotting it, but I DID report him to the FBI.
> I imagine they want to track and question anyone with even the most tenuous
> ties to this V. Tech assassin (keyword there being *ass*). Hopefully they
> will make this "joker's" life miserable for a while. Complicit or not, it's
> no joking matter. I can't believe some people think this is funny, I really
> can't. It's a tragedy. And this dillhole comes on here using that name and
> thinks it's funny? May they screw up the next 5 years of his life while he
> tries to explain his way out of it, that's what I hope for.
>
> Jill- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It's not funny but why bother even stewing about this?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:00:49 GMT, wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:44:36 -0400, Richard McBeef
> wrote:
>
>>Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
>>making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting has?
>>What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.
>
>Not 'Necessary' but possibly desirable.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maillard_reaction
>
>The jury's out regarding the best way forward Some say 'Roast', Some
>Say 'Don't Roast' and some say 'Roast some & don't roast the rest'.
>
>YMMV. For what it's worth, to date, I've roasted bones for all of my
>stock but the result tends to be a bit sweet. Must get around to
>trying the other way.
>
Bone roasting won't affect the sweetness of your stock. Onions and
carrots do that.


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CliffMacgillivray wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Richard McBeef wrote:
>>>>> Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
>>>>> making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting
>>>>> has? What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>
>>>> You're making fun of the assassinations of the students at V. Tech
>>>> by using this ID?! What kind of a loser asshole are you?! PLONK
>>>> DICKHEAD. And you may be complicit so I'm forwarding this to the
>>>> FBI in Quantico. See how you feel about joking around now,
>>>> asshole.
>>> Kudos for spotting that. I almost replied to the SOB before reading
>>> the posts. Sick *******, indeed.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> I can't take credit for first spotting it, but I DID report him to
>> the FBI. I imagine they want to track and question anyone with even
>> the most tenuous ties to this V. Tech assassin (keyword there being
>> *ass*). Hopefully they will make this "joker's" life miserable for
>> a while. Complicit or not, it's no joking matter. I can't believe
>> some people think this is funny, I really can't. It's a tragedy.
>> And this dillhole comes on here using that name and thinks it's
>> funny? May they screw up the next 5 years of his life while he
>> tries to explain his way out of it, that's what I hope for.
> Jokes even in bad taste are not a crime. Fantasizing lengthy false
> imprisonment is odd. Definitely unamerican!
> Do you really think the fbi will investigate every bad joke related to
> this? If anything you have self identified yourself to the authorities
> as a bit dull.

YOU are an asshole and this is in terribly bad taste. Just wait until the
FBI knocks on your door, idiot. If you want to be taken seriously you won't
post using such bad taste in the wake of a terrible tragedy. Frankly, I'm
surprised you came back here.

Richard McBeef wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> Richard McBeef wrote:
>>> Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
>>> making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting
>>> has? What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.
>>
>>> In article >,
>>>
>>
>> You're making fun of the assassinations of the students at V. Tech
>> by using this ID?! What kind of a loser asshole are you?! PLONK
>> DICKHEAD. And you may be complicit so I'm forwarding this to the
>> FBI in Quantico. See how you feel about joking around now, asshole.
> Chill out. Just a joke. Fortunately, the fbi only hires smart people
> and they will ignore your crank emails.
> Do some googling. Many people have made some jokes about this already.
> For example, did you see the fake blog done by, I believe, another vt
> student?
> Anyway, I suppose I guess it is too soon for this sort of thing.

IDIOT students are not welcome here. Really.

We don't often scorn people who have legitimate inquiries but yours is just
in bad taste at this point. It's obvious you don't give a shit about what
happened; you think it's all a joke. "All in good fun." **** off. Go find
a cookbook. Ask your mom. Whatever. Just go the hell away from here, you
tasteless, tactless piece of shit.

jmcquown wrote:
> CliffMacgillivray wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Richard McBeef wrote:
>>>>>> Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
>>>>>> making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting
>>>>>> has? What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>
>>>>> You're making fun of the assassinations of the students at V. Tech
>>>>> by using this ID?! What kind of a loser asshole are you?! PLONK
>>>>> DICKHEAD. And you may be complicit so I'm forwarding this to the
>>>>> FBI in Quantico. See how you feel about joking around now,
>>>>> asshole.
>>>> Kudos for spotting that. I almost replied to the SOB before reading
>>>> the posts. Sick *******, indeed.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>> I can't take credit for first spotting it, but I DID report him to
>>> the FBI. I imagine they want to track and question anyone with even
>>> the most tenuous ties to this V. Tech assassin (keyword there being
>>> *ass*). Hopefully they will make this "joker's" life miserable for
>>> a while. Complicit or not, it's no joking matter. I can't believe
>>> some people think this is funny, I really can't. It's a tragedy.
>>> And this dillhole comes on here using that name and thinks it's
>>> funny? May they screw up the next 5 years of his life while he
>>> tries to explain his way out of it, that's what I hope for.
>> Jokes even in bad taste are not a crime. Fantasizing lengthy false
>> imprisonment is odd. Definitely unamerican!
>> Do you really think the fbi will investigate every bad joke related to
>> this? If anything you have self identified yourself to the authorities
>> as a bit dull.
>
> YOU are an asshole and this is in terribly bad taste. Just wait until the
> FBI knocks on your door, idiot. If you want to be taken seriously you won't
> post using such bad taste in the wake of a terrible tragedy. Frankly, I'm
> surprised you came back here.
Look, your famous!
http://www.whofailedtoday.com/newbbs...397061#p397061

"Richard McBeef" > wrote in message
...
> Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
> making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting has?
> What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.

It makes a very BIG difference in flavor and color

Dimitri

http://www.landfood.ubc.ca/courses/f...brown_prin.htm

Maillard Reaction

Introduction
Maillard reaction is a non-enzymatic browning reaction, caused by the
condensation of an amino group and a reducing compound, resulting complex
changes in biological and food system. This reaction was described for the first
time by Louis Maillard in 1912. Maillard reaction occurs when virtually all
foods are heated, and also occurs during storage. Most of the effect of Maillard
reaction, including the caramel aromas and golden brown colors, are desirable.
Nevertheless, some of the effect of Maillard reaction, including foods darkness
and off-flavor development, are undesirable.
Maillard Reaction Products
* Aroma and Flavor
Maillard-derived aromas are extremely complex and many components are formed in
trace amounts by side-reactions and obscure pathways. The deoxyosones are
considered to be primary source of aroma volatile compounds. Deoxyosones undergo
cyclization/dehydration to produce flavor important furan derivatives and
different types of furans are formed depending in osone structure.
The aroma profile also varies with the temperature and time of heating. At any
given temperature-time combination, a unique aroma, which is not likely to be
reproduced at any other combination of heating conditions, is produced.
The formation of a specific flavor may require the simultaneous generation of
100 or 200 individual chemicals in the proper concentration and delicate
balance. A large number and wide variety of flavor and aroma compounds are
formed via the Maillard reaction. Moreover, reactant composition, environment
and processing could influence the reaction.
* Color
The development of color is an extremely important feature of the Maillard
reaction but relatively little is known about the chemical nature of the
compounds responsible. There are both good and bad sides of the Maillard
reaction for color development. Color development in meats and bread baking is
desirable while the browning of dry milk or dehydrated products is undesirable.

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:05:07 -0700, sf wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:00:49 GMT, wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:44:36 -0400, Richard McBeef
> wrote:
>>
>>>Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
>>>making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting has?
>>>What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.
>>
>>Not 'Necessary' but possibly desirable.
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maillard_reaction
>>
>>The jury's out regarding the best way forward Some say 'Roast', Some
>>Say 'Don't Roast' and some say 'Roast some & don't roast the rest'.
>>
>>YMMV. For what it's worth, to date, I've roasted bones for all of my
>>stock but the result tends to be a bit sweet. Must get around to
>>trying the other way.
>>
>Bone roasting won't affect the sweetness of your stock. Onions and
>carrots do that.

Not sure that I agree, but I'm prepared to be convinced. My palate is
pretty jaded but it sounds like a 'Fair Test' is required. I will
acquire fresh bones and run a pan of each in parallel and will report
back in due course.

Regards
JonH

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:37:40 -0500, "jmcquown"
> wrote:

>Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Richard McBeef wrote:
>>>> Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
>>>> making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting
>>>> has? What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.
>>>
>>>> In article >,
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're making fun of the assassinations of the students at V. Tech
>>> by using this ID?! What kind of a loser asshole are you?! PLONK
>>> DICKHEAD. And you may be complicit so I'm forwarding this to the
>>> FBI in Quantico. See how you feel about joking around now, asshole.
>>
>> Kudos for spotting that. I almost replied to the SOB before reading
>> the posts. Sick *******, indeed.
>>
>> Paul
>
>I can't take credit for first spotting it, but I DID report him to the FBI.
>I imagine they want to track and question anyone with even the most tenuous
>ties to this V. Tech assassin (keyword there being *ass*). Hopefully they
>will make this "joker's" life miserable for a while. Complicit or not, it's
>no joking matter. I can't believe some people think this is funny, I really
>can't. It's a tragedy. And this dillhole comes on here using that name and
>thinks it's funny? May they screw up the next 5 years of his life while he
>tries to explain his way out of it, that's what I hope for.
>
>Jill
>

jeez, do you sic the f.b.i. on everyone who upsets you? (i'm sure
they'll get right on it.) i better watch my p's and q's.

your pal,
(name withheld upon request)

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:37:39 -0400, CliffMacgillivray
> wrote:

>jmcquown wrote:
>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Richard McBeef wrote:
>>>>> Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
>>>>> making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting
>>>>> has? What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>
>>>> You're making fun of the assassinations of the students at V. Tech
>>>> by using this ID?! What kind of a loser asshole are you?! PLONK
>>>> DICKHEAD. And you may be complicit so I'm forwarding this to the
>>>> FBI in Quantico. See how you feel about joking around now, asshole.
>>> Kudos for spotting that. I almost replied to the SOB before reading
>>> the posts. Sick *******, indeed.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> I can't take credit for first spotting it, but I DID report him to the FBI.
>> I imagine they want to track and question anyone with even the most tenuous
>> ties to this V. Tech assassin (keyword there being *ass*). Hopefully they
>> will make this "joker's" life miserable for a while. Complicit or not, it's
>> no joking matter. I can't believe some people think this is funny, I really
>> can't. It's a tragedy. And this dillhole comes on here using that name and
>> thinks it's funny? May they screw up the next 5 years of his life while he
>> tries to explain his way out of it, that's what I hope for.
>Jokes even in bad taste are not a crime. Fantasizing lengthy false
>imprisonment is odd. Definitely unamerican!
>Do you really think the fbi will investigate every bad joke related to
>this? If anything you have self identified yourself to the authorities
>as a bit dull.

and if they find out she likes korean food, she's cooked.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:56:43 -0500, "jmcquown"
> wrote:

>CliffMacgillivray wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Richard McBeef wrote:
>>>>>> Why is it necessary to roast the bones before
>>>>>> making a beef broth? I am curious as to what effect the roasting
>>>>>> has? What would the difference be if the roasting were not done.
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>
>>>>> You're making fun of the assassinations of the students at V. Tech
>>>>> by using this ID?! What kind of a loser asshole are you?! PLONK
>>>>> DICKHEAD. And you may be complicit so I'm forwarding this to the
>>>>> FBI in Quantico. See how you feel about joking around now,
>>>>> asshole.
>>>> Kudos for spotting that. I almost replied to the SOB before reading
>>>> the posts. Sick *******, indeed.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>
>>> I can't take credit for first spotting it, but I DID report him to
>>> the FBI. I imagine they want to track and question anyone with even
>>> the most tenuous ties to this V. Tech assassin (keyword there being
>>> *ass*). Hopefully they will make this "joker's" life miserable for
>>> a while. Complicit or not, it's no joking matter. I can't believe
>>> some people think this is funny, I really can't. It's a tragedy.
>>> And this dillhole comes on here using that name and thinks it's
>>> funny? May they screw up the next 5 years of his life while he
>>> tries to explain his way out of it, that's what I hope for.
>> Jokes even in bad taste are not a crime. Fantasizing lengthy false
>> imprisonment is odd. Definitely unamerican!
>> Do you really think the fbi will investigate every bad joke related to
>> this? If anything you have self identified yourself to the authorities
>> as a bit dull.
>
>YOU are an asshole and this is in terribly bad taste. Just wait until the
>FBI knocks on your door, idiot. If you want to be taken seriously you won't
>post using such bad taste in the wake of a terrible tragedy. Frankly, I'm
>surprised you came back here.
>

why **** around with the f.b.i.? report him to the homeland security
people, and they can squirrel his ass away in gitmo. he'll laugh out
of the other side of his mouth then.

your pal,
alberto