"C. James Strutz" wrote:

> "Richard Periut" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Marcelino wrote:
> > > You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
> > >
> > > http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
> > >
> > >
> >
> > A video which portrays a few sick and frustrated freaks, doesn't stand
> > as the standard for killing pigs in the pork industry.
> >
> > It's just amazing the way these hypocrites try to raise awareness of
> > animal suffering, without shedding an iota of evidence to human
> > suffering; the children dying of hunger and *Curable* diseases in
> > Africa, India, et cetera.
> >
> > I'm sure these people, with their cotton candy lives, driving their
> > BMW's, and drinking California wine, would rather see a whale, a pig, a
> > chicken, or a mink saved, before 10 human children can be fed and healed.
>
> Raising livestock as a food source is a huge inefficiency of resources. The
> amount of grain used to feed livestock could feed many times the number of
> people than the meat could feed. Livestock also consume huge amounts of
> fresh water which is in short supply in many parts of the world. And the
> pork industry, in particular, is a major producer of hazerdous waste.
> Furthermore, many of the hungry people of the world couldn't afford to buy
> meat even if you could get it to them easily (it must be refrigerated). It's
> the meat eaters of the world who are contributing more to world hunger...

Most, if not all these problems could be turned against themselves and turned
into solutions, if only people would think. For example, pig waste can be used
to produce massive amounts of free methane (and is being used to do so in other
countries). Simply blaming the fact that man was designed as carnivores as well
as herbivores (omnivorous), is not a solution, but is part of the problem.

Gary




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"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> "C. James Strutz" wrote:
>
> > "Richard Periut" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Marcelino wrote:
> > > > You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
> > > >
> > > >
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > A video which portrays a few sick and frustrated freaks, doesn't stand
> > > as the standard for killing pigs in the pork industry.
> > >
> > > It's just amazing the way these hypocrites try to raise awareness of
> > > animal suffering, without shedding an iota of evidence to human
> > > suffering; the children dying of hunger and *Curable* diseases in
> > > Africa, India, et cetera.
> > >
> > > I'm sure these people, with their cotton candy lives, driving their
> > > BMW's, and drinking California wine, would rather see a whale, a pig,
a
> > > chicken, or a mink saved, before 10 human children can be fed and
healed.
> >
> > Raising livestock as a food source is a huge inefficiency of resources.
The
> > amount of grain used to feed livestock could feed many times the number
of
> > people than the meat could feed. Livestock also consume huge amounts of
> > fresh water which is in short supply in many parts of the world. And the
> > pork industry, in particular, is a major producer of hazerdous waste.
> > Furthermore, many of the hungry people of the world couldn't afford to
buy
> > meat even if you could get it to them easily (it must be refrigerated).
It's
> > the meat eaters of the world who are contributing more to world
hunger...
>
> Most, if not all these problems could be turned against themselves and
turned
> into solutions, if only people would think. For example, pig waste can be
used
> to produce massive amounts of free methane (and is being used to do so in
other
> countries).

I'll give you that methane could be extracted from animal waste (though far
less efficiently than extracting energy directly from grain, biomass, etc.),
but it still doesn't address the concerns of producing and transporting
enough food to feed the world's hungry.

> Simply blaming the fact that man was designed as carnivores as well
> as herbivores (omnivorous), is not a solution, but is part of the problem.

It's arguable that humans were designed as omnivores. Some of the lastest
research indicates that the substance Neu5Gc in meat/dairy products may be
linked to diseases such as heart disease and diabetes. The presence of these
molelules triggers an auto-immune response that causes systemic inflammation
and is thought to contribute to various diseases in the long term.

In article >,
says...

> It's arguable that humans were designed as omnivores. Some of the lastest
> research indicates that the substance Neu5Gc in meat/dairy products may be
> linked to diseases such as heart disease and diabetes. The presence of these
> molelules triggers an auto-immune response that causes systemic inflammation
> and is thought to contribute to various diseases in the long term.

Whereas the length of the human gut is ideally suited to digest both
meat and vegetable matter.

Regarding heart disease and diabetes - many other things have had the
finger pointed at them in the past. Remember eggs?

I believe that part of the auto-immune problems are due to hormones they
inject into the animals, not the animals themselves.

"COTTP" > wrote in message
. ..
> In article >,
> says...
>
> > It's arguable that humans were designed as omnivores. Some of the
lastest
> > research indicates that the substance Neu5Gc in meat/dairy products may
be
> > linked to diseases such as heart disease and diabetes. The presence of
these
> > molelules triggers an auto-immune response that causes systemic
inflammation
> > and is thought to contribute to various diseases in the long term.
>
> Whereas the length of the human gut is ideally suited to digest both
> meat and vegetable matter.
>
> Regarding heart disease and diabetes - many other things have had the
> finger pointed at them in the past. Remember eggs?

Sure, nothing's definitive. Medical science constantly advises the general
public based on current knowledge and understanding, which is always subject
to change. Still it's not a reason to disregard their advice because it
happens to disagree with your lifestyle.

> I believe that part of the auto-immune problems are due to hormones they
> inject into the animals, not the animals themselves.

Yeah, I didn't even get into the issues of feeding antibiotics, steroids,
growth hormones, etc. to livestock to bring them to market faster. NOt to
mention e-coli, salmonella, trichinosis, listeriosis and other bacterial
infections. More good reasons to avoid meat products.

C. James Strutz wrote:

> NOt to
> mention e-coli, salmonella, trichinosis, listeriosis and other bacterial
> infections. More good reasons to avoid meat products.

The bacteria are normal inhabitants of animal digestive systems.
Nothing new about them being in our food supply.

Trichina are parasitic worms, all but eliminated in commercial pork in
the US. Still to be found in bears, home-raised pigs and a few other
critters. Not much of a problem nowadays.

We're evolved to handle low-level quantities of the bacteria since
we've coexisted with them for millions of years. Compromised immune
systems and extremely high levels of the bacteria can cause problems.
For most people, not an issue.

Pastorio

"C. James Strutz" > wrote in message
...
>>
> Yeah, I didn't even get into the issues of feeding antibiotics, steroids,
> growth hormones, etc. to livestock to bring them to market faster. NOt to
> mention e-coli, salmonella, trichinosis, listeriosis and other bacterial
> infections. More good reasons to avoid meat products.


Do you have any idea how many bacteria exist in the human body? That are
passed from person to person on a daily basis?

Bacteria is no reason to avoid a food....simply take precautions and use
common sense. If you choose not to eat meat, that is your choice...but it is
no better or worse than anyone else's choice.

As to steroids and such, careful choosing of suppliers can avoid that.

kimberly

In article <6JIgb.15883$gi2.4551@fed1read01>, says...
>
> "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> > Yeah, I didn't even get into the issues of feeding antibiotics, steroids,
> > growth hormones, etc. to livestock to bring them to market faster. NOt to
> > mention e-coli, salmonella, trichinosis, listeriosis and other bacterial
> > infections. More good reasons to avoid meat products.
>
>
> Do you have any idea how many bacteria exist in the human body? That are
> passed from person to person on a daily basis?
>
> Bacteria is no reason to avoid a food....simply take precautions and use
> common sense. If you choose not to eat meat, that is your choice...but it is
> no better or worse than anyone else's choice.
>
> As to steroids and such, careful choosing of suppliers can avoid that.
>
> kimberly

Not to mention ground dwelling and airborne bacteria that end up on
plants, vegetables and fruits.

COTTP > wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> says...
>
> > It's arguable that humans were designed as omnivores. Some of the lastest
> > research indicates that the substance Neu5Gc in meat/dairy products may be
> > linked to diseases such as heart disease and diabetes. The presence of these
> > molelules triggers an auto-immune response that causes systemic inflammation
> > and is thought to contribute to various diseases in the long term.
>
> Whereas the length of the human gut is ideally suited to digest both
> meat and vegetable matter.
>
> Regarding heart disease and diabetes - many other things have had the
> finger pointed at them in the past. Remember eggs?
>
> I believe that part of the auto-immune problems are due to hormones they
> inject into the animals, not the animals themselves.
Please stop feeding the trolls-let them die quietly.

In article >,
(butch burton) writes:

>COTTP > wrote in message
t>...
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>
>> > It's arguable that humans were designed as omnivores. Some of the lastest
>> > research indicates that the substance Neu5Gc in meat/dairy products may
>be
>> > linked to diseases such as heart disease and diabetes. The presence of
>these
>> > molelules triggers an auto-immune response that causes systemic
>inflammation
>> > and is thought to contribute to various diseases in the long term.
>>
>> Whereas the length of the human gut is ideally suited to digest both
>> meat and vegetable matter.
>>
>> Regarding heart disease and diabetes - many other things have had the
>> finger pointed at them in the past. Remember eggs?
>>
>> I believe that part of the auto-immune problems are due to hormones they
>> inject into the animals, not the animals themselves.
>Please stop feeding the trolls-let them die quietly.

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In article >,
(butch burton) writes:

>COTTP > wrote in message
t>...
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>
>> > It's arguable that humans were designed as omnivores. Some of the lastest
>> > research indicates that the substance Neu5Gc in meat/dairy products may
>be
>> > linked to diseases such as heart disease and diabetes. The presence of
>these
>> > molelules triggers an auto-immune response that causes systemic
>inflammation
>> > and is thought to contribute to various diseases in the long term.
>>
>> Whereas the length of the human gut is ideally suited to digest both
>> meat and vegetable matter.
>>
>> Regarding heart disease and diabetes - many other things have had the
>> finger pointed at them in the past. Remember eggs?
>>
>> I believe that part of the auto-immune problems are due to hormones they
>> inject into the animals, not the animals themselves.
>Please stop feeding the trolls-let them die quietly.

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"C. James Strutz" wrote:

> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> > "C. James Strutz" wrote:
> >
> > > "Richard Periut" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Marcelino wrote:
> > > > > You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > A video which portrays a few sick and frustrated freaks, doesn't stand
> > > > as the standard for killing pigs in the pork industry.
> > > >
> > > > It's just amazing the way these hypocrites try to raise awareness of
> > > > animal suffering, without shedding an iota of evidence to human
> > > > suffering; the children dying of hunger and *Curable* diseases in
> > > > Africa, India, et cetera.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure these people, with their cotton candy lives, driving their
> > > > BMW's, and drinking California wine, would rather see a whale, a pig,
> a
> > > > chicken, or a mink saved, before 10 human children can be fed and
> healed.
> > >
> > > Raising livestock as a food source is a huge inefficiency of resources.
> The
> > > amount of grain used to feed livestock could feed many times the number
> of
> > > people than the meat could feed. Livestock also consume huge amounts of
> > > fresh water which is in short supply in many parts of the world. And the
> > > pork industry, in particular, is a major producer of hazerdous waste.
> > > Furthermore, many of the hungry people of the world couldn't afford to
> buy
> > > meat even if you could get it to them easily (it must be refrigerated).
> It's
> > > the meat eaters of the world who are contributing more to world
> hunger...
> >
> > Most, if not all these problems could be turned against themselves and
> turned
> > into solutions, if only people would think. For example, pig waste can be
> used
> > to produce massive amounts of free methane (and is being used to do so in
> other
> > countries).
>
> I'll give you that methane could be extracted from animal waste (though far
> less efficiently than extracting energy directly from grain, biomass, etc.),
> but it still doesn't address the concerns of producing and transporting
> enough food to feed the world's hungry.
>
> > Simply blaming the fact that man was designed as carnivores as well
> > as herbivores (omnivorous), is not a solution, but is part of the problem.
>
> It's arguable that humans were designed as omnivores. Some of the lastest
> research indicates that the substance Neu5Gc in meat/dairy products may be
> linked to diseases such as heart disease and diabetes. The presence of these
> molelules triggers an auto-immune response that causes systemic inflammation
> and is thought to contribute to various diseases in the long term.

It's all in the teeth. We have meat eating teeth (as well as vegetable eating
teeth).

Gary




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