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Hi All,

FDA is now warning about Diabetes and Statins:

http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/Cons.../ucm293330.htm

The Risk of Diabetes:

Diabetes occurs because of defects in the body’s ability
to produce or use insulin—a hormone needed to convert food
into energy. If the pancreas doesn't make enough insulin
or if cells do not respond appropriately to insulin,
blood sugar levels in the blood get too high, which can
lead to serious health problems.

A small increased risk of raised blood sugar levels and
the development of Type 2 diabetes have been reported
with the use of statins.

“Clearly we think that the heart benefit of statins
outweighs this small increased risk,” says Egan. But
what this means for patients taking statins and the
health care professionals prescribing them is that
blood-sugar levels may need to be assessed after
instituting statin therapy,” she says.

By the way, Egan is wrong about the "heart benefit of statins".
Cholesterol does NOT show as a risk factor in autopsies:

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/23/6/847.full.pdf
http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/6/397.full

And statins can cripple and/or kill you:
Rhabdomyolysis statins, statin-induced rhabdomyolysis:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16651050
http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/Cons...cm293330.htm#4

-T



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Todd wrote:
Todd, If you are interested in discussing these things, why don't you ry
alt.support.diabetes. We are pretty much all on that grop(or have chosn
to leve it. ) this is the food group for discussign diabetes food
issues, recipies, etc.

there have been many statin discussions on asd and, Idon't think most of
us are looking for morewhen we come to the food newsgroup. Just a
thought.

Wendy : Hi All,

: FDA is now warning about Diabetes and Statins:

: http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/Cons.../ucm293330.htm

: The Risk of Diabetes:

: Diabetes occurs because of defects in the body?s ability
: to produce or use insulin?a hormone needed to convert food
: into energy. If the pancreas doesn't make enough insulin
: or if cells do not respond appropriately to insulin,
: blood sugar levels in the blood get too high, which can
: lead to serious health problems.

: A small increased risk of raised blood sugar levels and
: the development of Type 2 diabetes have been reported
: with the use of statins.

: ?Clearly we think that the heart benefit of statins
: outweighs this small increased risk,? says Egan. But
: what this means for patients taking statins and the
: health care professionals prescribing them is that
: blood-sugar levels may need to be assessed after
: instituting statin therapy,? she says.

: By the way, Egan is wrong about the "heart benefit of statins".
: Cholesterol does NOT show as a risk factor in autopsies:

: http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/23/6/847.full.pdf
: http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/6/397.full

: And statins can cripple and/or kill you:
: Rhabdomyolysis statins, statin-induced rhabdomyolysis:
: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16651050
: http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/Cons...cm293330.htm#4

: -T


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Todd wrote:
Todd, If you are interested in discussing these things, why don't you ry
alt.support.diabetes. We are pretty much all on that grop(or have chosn
to leve it. ) this is the food group for discussign diabetes food
issues, recipies, etc.

there have been many statin discussions on asd and, Idon't think most of
us are looking for morewhen we come to the food newsgroup. Just a
thought.


Plus one!

Cheri

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On 07/12/2013 07:45 PM, Cheri wrote:
"W. Baker" wrote in message
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Todd wrote:
Todd, If you are interested in discussing these things, why don't you ry
alt.support.diabetes. We are pretty much all on that grop(or have chosn
to leve it. ) this is the food group for discussign diabetes food
issues, recipies, etc.

there have been many statin discussions on asd and, Idon't think most of
us are looking for morewhen we come to the food newsgroup. Just a
thought.


Plus one!

Cheri


Thank you guys. I got a little over eager to share.
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"Cheri" wrote in message
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"W. Baker" wrote in message
...
Todd wrote:
Todd, If you are interested in discussing these things, why don't you ry
alt.support.diabetes. We are pretty much all on that grop(or have chosn
to leve it. ) this is the food group for discussign diabetes food
issues, recipies, etc.

there have been many statin discussions on asd and, Idon't think most of
us are looking for morewhen we come to the food newsgroup. Just a
thought.


Plus one!


Yep. Had to be stern with my Endo. about the statin today. He said I
needed to be on something. I don't think so. But... I also had my blood
tests done fasting today. That might make a difference. We'll see.
Overall cholesterol is low. So I see no need to do a thing.




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In article , Todd
wrote:

Hi All,

FDA is now warning about Diabetes and Statins:

http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/Cons.../ucm293330.htm

The Risk of Diabetes:

Diabetes occurs because of defects in the body¹s ability
to produce or use insulin‹a hormone needed to convert food
into energy. If the pancreas doesn't make enough insulin
or if cells do not respond appropriately to insulin,
blood sugar levels in the blood get too high, which can
lead to serious health problems.

A small increased risk of raised blood sugar levels and
the development of Type 2 diabetes have been reported
with the use of statins.

³Clearly we think that the heart benefit of statins
outweighs this small increased risk,² says Egan. But
what this means for patients taking statins and the
health care professionals prescribing them is that
blood-sugar levels may need to be assessed after
instituting statin therapy,² she says.

By the way, Egan is wrong about the "heart benefit of statins".
Cholesterol does NOT show as a risk factor in autopsies:

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/23/6/847.full.pdf
http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/6/397.full

And statins can cripple and/or kill you:
Rhabdomyolysis statins, statin-induced rhabdomyolysis:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16651050
http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/Cons...cm293330.htm#4

-T


I had the same opinion 5 stents ago. Now, I'm reconsidering.
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On 07/13/2013 11:06 PM, Billy wrote:
In article , Todd
wrote:

Hi All,

FDA is now warning about Diabetes and Statins:

http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/Cons.../ucm293330.htm

The Risk of Diabetes:

Diabetes occurs because of defects in the body¹s ability
to produce or use insulin‹a hormone needed to convert food
into energy. If the pancreas doesn't make enough insulin
or if cells do not respond appropriately to insulin,
blood sugar levels in the blood get too high, which can
lead to serious health problems.

A small increased risk of raised blood sugar levels and
the development of Type 2 diabetes have been reported
with the use of statins.

³Clearly we think that the heart benefit of statins
outweighs this small increased risk,² says Egan. But
what this means for patients taking statins and the
health care professionals prescribing them is that
blood-sugar levels may need to be assessed after
instituting statin therapy,² she says.

By the way, Egan is wrong about the "heart benefit of statins".
Cholesterol does NOT show as a risk factor in autopsies:

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/23/6/847.full.pdf
http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/6/397.full

And statins can cripple and/or kill you:
Rhabdomyolysis statins, statin-induced rhabdomyolysis:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16651050
http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/Cons...cm293330.htm#4

-T


I had the same opinion 5 stents ago. Now, I'm reconsidering.


Have you measured your homocystein?

Are you taking folates?

Are you taking turmeric?


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In article , Todd
wrote:

On 07/13/2013 11:06 PM, Billy wrote:
In article , Todd
wrote:

Hi All,

FDA is now warning about Diabetes and Statins:

http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/Cons.../ucm293330.htm

The Risk of Diabetes:

Diabetes occurs because of defects in the body1s ability
to produce or use insulinÐa hormone needed to convert food
into energy. If the pancreas doesn't make enough insulin
or if cells do not respond appropriately to insulin,
blood sugar levels in the blood get too high, which can
lead to serious health problems.

A small increased risk of raised blood sugar levels and
the development of Type 2 diabetes have been reported
with the use of statins.

3Clearly we think that the heart benefit of statins
outweighs this small increased risk,2 says Egan. But
what this means for patients taking statins and the
health care professionals prescribing them is that
blood-sugar levels may need to be assessed after
instituting statin therapy,2 she says.

By the way, Egan is wrong about the "heart benefit of statins".
Cholesterol does NOT show as a risk factor in autopsies:

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/23/6/847.full.pdf
http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/6/397.full

And statins can cripple and/or kill you:
Rhabdomyolysis statins, statin-induced rhabdomyolysis:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16651050
http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/Cons...cm293330.htm#4

-T


I had the same opinion 5 stents ago. Now, I'm reconsidering.


Have you measured your homocystein?

No.

Are you taking folates?

400 mcg

Are you taking turmeric?

Yes.
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Quote:
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Hi All,

FDA is now warning about Diabetes and Statins:

FDA Expands Advice on Statin Risks

The Risk of Diabetes:

Diabetes occurs because of defects in the body’s ability
to produce or use insulin—a hormone needed to convert food
into energy. If the pancreas doesn't make enough insulin
or if cells do not respond appropriately to insulin,
blood sugar levels in the blood get too high, which can
lead to serious health problems.

A small increased risk of raised blood sugar levels and
the development of Type 2 diabetes have been reported
with the use of statins.

“Clearly we think that the heart benefit of statins
outweighs this small increased risk,” says Egan. But
what this means for patients taking statins and the
health care professionals prescribing them is that
blood-sugar levels may need to be assessed after
instituting statin therapy,” she says.

By the way, Egan is wrong about the "heart benefit of statins".
Cholesterol does NOT show as a risk factor in autopsies:

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/23/6/847.full.pdf
Is atherosclerosis caused by high cholesterol?

And statins can cripple and/or kill you:
Rhabdomyolysis statins, statin-induced rhabdomyolysis:
Clinical perspectives of statin-induced rhabdomyoly... [Am J Med. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI
FDA Expands Advice on Statin Risks

-T
Well very glad yall jumped into discussing this stuff. Thought I was taking a Statin perhaps..but looked up my med Attenolol? and said No..its a Beta Blocker. Not sure how good it is blocking my betas..but seems to be an ideal combo to keep chronic A Fib and high blood pressure under control. Not to mention all the health supplements. The Doc say it makes my heart not to be running away with itself. Keeps pulse right on the money. Aint caught T-2 yet..lol. What is the deal with beta blockers in other words? lol Hope you keeping that Trophy entertained..lol.
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bigwheel wrote:

Todd;1848540 Wrote:
Hi All,

FDA is now warning about Diabetes and Statins:

'FDA Expands Advice on Statin Risks'
(http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/Cons.../ucm293330.htm)

The Risk of Diabetes:

Diabetes occurs because of defects in the body’s ability
to produce or use insulin—a hormone needed to convert food
into energy. If the pancreas doesn't make enough insulin
or if cells do not respond appropriately to insulin,
blood sugar levels in the blood get too high, which can
lead to serious health problems.

A small increased risk of raised blood sugar levels and
the development of Type 2 diabetes have been reported
with the use of statins.

“Clearly we think that the heart benefit of statins
outweighs this small increased risk,” says Egan. But
what this means for patients taking statins and the
health care professionals prescribing them is that
blood-sugar levels may need to be assessed after
instituting statin therapy,” she says.

By the way, Egan is wrong about the "heart benefit of statins".
Cholesterol does NOT show as a risk factor in autopsies:

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/23/6/847.full.pdf
'Is atherosclerosis caused by high cholesterol?'
(http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/6/397.full)

And statins can cripple and/or kill you:
Rhabdomyolysis statins, statin-induced rhabdomyolysis:
'Clinical perspectives of statin-induced rhabdomyoly... [Am J Med.
2006] - PubMed - NCBI' (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16651050)
'FDA Expands Advice on Statin Risks'
(http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/Cons...cm293330.htm#4)

-T


Well very glad yall jumped into discussing this stuff. Thought I was
taking a Statin perhaps..but looked up my med Attenolol? and said
No..its a Beta Blocker. Not sure how good it is blocking my betas..but
seems to be an ideal combo to keep chronic A Fib and high blood pressure
under control. Not to mention all the health supplements. The Doc say it
makes my heart not to be running away with itself. Keeps pulse right on
the money. Aint caught T-2 yet..lol. What is the deal with beta blockers
in other words? lol Hope you keeping that Trophy entertained..lol.


http://www.theheart.org/article/913561.do

HYPERTENSION
Reducing heart rate in hypertension is harmful‹or is it just atenolol?
OCTOBER 22, 2008 | Lisa Nainggolan
New York, NY - Slowing the heart rate with beta blockers in people with
hypertension is associated with an increased risk of cardiovascular
events and death, a new systematic review shows [1]. Furthermore, the
slower the heart rate, the greater the risk, report Dr Sripal Bangalore
(St Luke's Roosevelt Hospital, New York) and colleagues in the October
28, 2008 issue of the Journal of the American College of Cardiology.
(cont.)
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"Cheri" wrote:

"W. Baker" wrote in message
...
Todd wrote:
Todd, If you are interested in discussing these things, why don't you ry
alt.support.diabetes. We are pretty much all on that grop(or have chosn
to leve it. ) this is the food group for discussign diabetes food
issues, recipies, etc.

there have been many statin discussions on asd and, Idon't think most of
us are looking for morewhen we come to the food newsgroup. Just a
thought.


Plus one!

Cheri


Yes, please, and Susan requested this as well.

Thanks.

Priscilla
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of argument and evidence is a crucial aspect of how science works."
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Originally Posted by Billy[_8_] View Post
In article ,
bigwheel
wrote:

Todd;1848540 Wrote:
Hi All,

FDA is now warning about Diabetes and Statins:

'FDA Expands Advice on Statin Risks'
(
FDA Expands Advice on Statin Risks)

The Risk of Diabetes:

Diabetes occurs because of defects in the body’s ability
to produce or use insulin—a hormone needed to convert food
into energy. If the pancreas doesn't make enough insulin
or if cells do not respond appropriately to insulin,
blood sugar levels in the blood get too high, which can
lead to serious health problems.

A small increased risk of raised blood sugar levels and
the development of Type 2 diabetes have been reported
with the use of statins.

“Clearly we think that the heart benefit of statins
outweighs this small increased risk,” says Egan. But
what this means for patients taking statins and the
health care professionals prescribing them is that
blood-sugar levels may need to be assessed after
instituting statin therapy,” she says.

By the way, Egan is wrong about the "heart benefit of statins".
Cholesterol does NOT show as a risk factor in autopsies:

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/23/6/847.full.pdf
'Is atherosclerosis caused by high cholesterol?'
(Is atherosclerosis caused by high cholesterol?)

And statins can cripple and/or kill you:
Rhabdomyolysis statins, statin-induced rhabdomyolysis:
'Clinical perspectives of statin-induced rhabdomyoly... [Am J Med.
2006] - PubMed - NCBI' (Clinical perspectives of statin-induced rhabdomyoly... [Am J Med. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI)
'FDA Expands Advice on Statin Risks'
(FDA Expands Advice on Statin Risks)

-T


Well very glad yall jumped into discussing this stuff. Thought I was
taking a Statin perhaps..but looked up my med Attenolol? and said
No..its a Beta Blocker. Not sure how good it is blocking my betas..but
seems to be an ideal combo to keep chronic A Fib and high blood pressure
under control. Not to mention all the health supplements. The Doc say it
makes my heart not to be running away with itself. Keeps pulse right on
the money. Aint caught T-2 yet..lol. What is the deal with beta blockers
in other words? lol Hope you keeping that Trophy entertained..lol.


theheart.org: trusted cardiology news and opinions

HYPERTENSION
Reducing heart rate in hypertension is harmful‹or is it just atenolol?
OCTOBER 22, 2008 | Lisa Nainggolan
New York, NY - Slowing the heart rate with beta blockers in people with
hypertension is associated with an increased risk of cardiovascular
events and death, a new systematic review shows [1]. Furthermore, the
slower the heart rate, the greater the risk, report Dr Sripal Bangalore
(St Luke's Roosevelt Hospital, New York) and colleagues in the October
28, 2008 issue of the Journal of the American College of Cardiology.
(cont.)
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On 07/14/2013 12:13 PM, Billy wrote:
Have you measured your homocystein?

No.


You should get it tested. Homocystein etches your arteries
(cholesterol is the patch). If you don't get your
homocystein down, you will need stent after stent.

You don't need a doctor to get a test either.
Just call around to the various clinics and
find one you can just walk in. The parameter
as to good and bad will be written on the test
result.

The clinic actually does need a doctor's request -- the
one I go to just has the doctor that runs the clinic
sign off on it for an extra $10.00. These clinics
are easy to find.


Are you taking folates?

400 mcg


Make sure it is folate and not folic acid. About
half of us can not covert folic acid to folate.


Are you taking turmeric?

Yes.


Turmeric is probably what saved my heart/life from the high
BG for the four or so years I walked around not knowing
I had something wrong. (I loved my pastas!)

-T
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On 07/15/2013 10:55 AM, Billy wrote:
http://www.theheart.org/article/913561.do

HYPERTENSION
Reducing heart rate in hypertension is harmful‹or is it just atenolol?
OCTOBER 22, 2008 | Lisa Nainggolan
New York, NY - Slowing the heart rate with beta blockers in people with
hypertension is associated with an increased risk of cardiovascular
events and death, a new systematic review shows [1]. Furthermore, the
slower the heart rate, the greater the risk, report Dr Sripal Bangalore
(St Luke's Roosevelt Hospital, New York) and colleagues in the October
28, 2008 issue of the Journal of the American College of Cardiology.
(cont.)



Take a look at Hawthorn Berries as a mild sub for beta
blockers.
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"Todd" wrote in message
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On 07/15/2013 10:55 AM, Billy wrote:
http://www.theheart.org/article/913561.do

HYPERTENSION
Reducing heart rate in hypertension is harmful‹or is it just atenolol?
OCTOBER 22, 2008 | Lisa Nainggolan
New York, NY - Slowing the heart rate with beta blockers in people with
hypertension is associated with an increased risk of cardiovascular
events and death, a new systematic review shows [1]. Furthermore, the
slower the heart rate, the greater the risk, report Dr Sripal Bangalore
(St Luke's Roosevelt Hospital, New York) and colleagues in the October
28, 2008 issue of the Journal of the American College of Cardiology.
(cont.)



Take a look at Hawthorn Berries as a mild sub for beta
blockers.


Beta Blockers are contraindicated in diabetics.




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