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This is the hospital where my dad is. Too soon to tell really how he is
doing but he seems not to know a lot of things and forgetful of others.
Foods for instance. He seems to think he hates everything, until he gets it
and eats it. He was eating raw veggies with a fork, dipping them into Ranch
dressing. He did hand my mom his cucumbers which he has always done. He
does hate those and she likes them. But then he dipped his roll in the
dressing. And then he debated whether or not to dip his cookie in it!
Thankfully he decided against that.

He is on the diabetic diet. It was somewhat limited. I didn't look at the
breakfast options. Just the lunch/dinner which is what we ordered for him
tonight. Everything had the carb count listed. It was either 0, 15 or 30
grams of carb. Sandwiches could be ordered in half or whole. There were
several salads and quite a large choice of low carb veg. Those were listed
as 0 carbs. For the 15 count veg there were peas and something else. I
can't remember what the other thing was. I don't recall seeing any potatoes
listed. But white rice was. The meats were rather limited. Turkey breast,
salmon, braised beef and maybe one other thing. He had the braised beef
tonight and I was quite annoyed that it came with peas and carrots. It was
more like a stew. Not enough to count much in terms of carbs but given that
Angela does have that pea allergy I felt they should be listed.

He also had mac and cheese. This looked like the real thing but the sauce
was a bit runny. The portion was very small. There was a choice of white
or wheat roll. There were some dessert choices listed. Some had no carbs
such as the lemon lime sugar free Jell-O. I think there were a couple of
other things in that category but I can't remember what they were. There
was sugar free pudding, regular pudding, ice cream, sherbet, angel food cake
and cookies. Tonight my mom chose a sugar cookie. It was huge and not a
sugar cookie but a Snickerdoodle. I have to wonder if that was really the
right thing they gave him. She said last night he had a peanut butter
cookie which was tiny and tasted terrible.

There were quite a few beverages listed. Coffee, tea, and the decaf.
versions of both. Several different bottled waters, diet sodas, milk, and
some sort of diabetic meal replacement shake. I don't think any juices were
listed at all.

My mom said he was told at the hospital that he could have up to 85 grams of
carb per meal but his Dr. has him on 45 grams which is more like what he
ate. She did order more than that but he only ate one bite of the roll and
a few bites of the cookie.

It is up to the patient to order their own meals. They could, if they
wanted, order one of each meat and one of each low carb veg.

But the problem? My dad is at the point where he really isn't capable of
doing anything for himself. He just isn't thinking to do it. So somebody
has to be there to order the meals for him. Which my mom has been doing.

They do have a hotel attached to the hospital. She may wind up having to
stay there. She has been taking a cab and my brother or SIL have been
driving her home. My husband is going to take her there in the morning.

At this point we do not know how long he will be in there. He has started
some physical therapy but needs a lot more. If he qualifies, he can do it
there for two weeks. If he doesn't, he will have to go elsewhere for four
weeks. I think we are all hoping he will be moved somewhere closer to home,
even though we don't necessarily want him to be stuck in some place for
longer. Unless of course it is what he needs.

They had what appeared to be a really good cafeteria although some of it was
closed today. During the week there is a taco bar and also a deli. Those
were closed. The salad station was also closed but wasn't supposed to be.
There was a steam table with very limited choices. And the burger place was
open. Very limited menu of beef burger, turkey burger, salmon burger, all
with a variety of options, including no bun. French fries and onion rings.
I made the mistake of ordering the "big" order of fries and assumed I
wouldn't get too many based on the $2.00 price. OMG! They could have fed
all 6 of us plus the next table! I won't be doing that again!

They also had some self serve things including pizza, salads, sandwiches,
hard boiled eggs, cheeses and sushi.


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i hope he recovers quickly, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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> This is the hospital where my dad is. Too soon to tell really how he is
> doing but he seems not to know a lot of things and forgetful of others.
> Foods for instance. He seems to think he hates everything, until he gets
> it and eats it. He was eating raw veggies with a fork, dipping them into
> Ranch dressing. He did hand my mom his cucumbers which he has always
> done. He does hate those and she likes them. But then he dipped his roll
> in the dressing. And then he debated whether or not to dip his cookie in
> it! Thankfully he decided against that.
>
> He is on the diabetic diet. It was somewhat limited. I didn't look at
> the breakfast options. Just the lunch/dinner which is what we ordered for
> him tonight. Everything had the carb count listed. It was either 0, 15
> or 30 grams of carb. Sandwiches could be ordered in half or whole. There
> were several salads and quite a large choice of low carb veg. Those were
> listed as 0 carbs. For the 15 count veg there were peas and something
> else. I can't remember what the other thing was. I don't recall seeing
> any potatoes listed. But white rice was. The meats were rather limited.
> Turkey breast, salmon, braised beef and maybe one other thing. He had the
> braised beef tonight and I was quite annoyed that it came with peas and
> carrots. It was more like a stew. Not enough to count much in terms of
> carbs but given that Angela does have that pea allergy I felt they should
> be listed.
>
> He also had mac and cheese. This looked like the real thing but the sauce
> was a bit runny. The portion was very small. There was a choice of white
> or wheat roll. There were some dessert choices listed. Some had no carbs
> such as the lemon lime sugar free Jell-O. I think there were a couple of
> other things in that category but I can't remember what they were. There
> was sugar free pudding, regular pudding, ice cream, sherbet, angel food
> cake and cookies. Tonight my mom chose a sugar cookie. It was huge and
> not a sugar cookie but a Snickerdoodle. I have to wonder if that was
> really the right thing they gave him. She said last night he had a peanut
> butter cookie which was tiny and tasted terrible.
>
> There were quite a few beverages listed. Coffee, tea, and the decaf.
> versions of both. Several different bottled waters, diet sodas, milk, and
> some sort of diabetic meal replacement shake. I don't think any juices
> were listed at all.
>
> My mom said he was told at the hospital that he could have up to 85 grams
> of carb per meal but his Dr. has him on 45 grams which is more like what
> he ate. She did order more than that but he only ate one bite of the roll
> and a few bites of the cookie.
>
> It is up to the patient to order their own meals. They could, if they
> wanted, order one of each meat and one of each low carb veg.
>
> But the problem? My dad is at the point where he really isn't capable of
> doing anything for himself. He just isn't thinking to do it. So somebody
> has to be there to order the meals for him. Which my mom has been doing.
>
> They do have a hotel attached to the hospital. She may wind up having to
> stay there. She has been taking a cab and my brother or SIL have been
> driving her home. My husband is going to take her there in the morning.
>
> At this point we do not know how long he will be in there. He has started
> some physical therapy but needs a lot more. If he qualifies, he can do it
> there for two weeks. If he doesn't, he will have to go elsewhere for four
> weeks. I think we are all hoping he will be moved somewhere closer to
> home, even though we don't necessarily want him to be stuck in some place
> for longer. Unless of course it is what he needs.
>
> They had what appeared to be a really good cafeteria although some of it
> was closed today. During the week there is a taco bar and also a deli.
> Those were closed. The salad station was also closed but wasn't supposed
> to be. There was a steam table with very limited choices. And the burger
> place was open. Very limited menu of beef burger, turkey burger, salmon
> burger, all with a variety of options, including no bun. French fries and
> onion rings. I made the mistake of ordering the "big" order of fries and
> assumed I wouldn't get too many based on the $2.00 price. OMG! They
> could have fed all 6 of us plus the next table! I won't be doing that
> again!
>
> They also had some self serve things including pizza, salads, sandwiches,
> hard boiled eggs, cheeses and sushi.
>



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>i hope he recovers quickly, Lee


Thanks! I hope he gets well enough to drive because my mom can't do it. I
don't really fancy having to drive them everywhere. When we moved back here
we did try to buy a house in their city but we just couldn't afford it.
Actually the house next door to them was for sale. I did live in it once.
But it has stairs and that is no good for me. So we didn't consider it.

We live far enough away from them now that it is a pain to have to keep
going out there. My brother and SIL do live near them but her parents are
both in really bad shape and they have been doing a lot to help with them.


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Sometimes that forgetfulness can be temporary, hopefully it is for him.
But the bleed could have knocked out a few brain cells that were keeping
him on the side of functioning pretty well. As you said, it will be
whatever is best for him now. You just don't know what is around the
corner do you.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
> This is the hospital where my dad is. Too soon to tell really how he
> is doing but he seems not to know a lot of things and forgetful of
> others. Foods for instance. He seems to think he hates everything,
> until he gets it and eats it. He was eating raw veggies with a fork,
> dipping them into Ranch dressing. He did hand my mom his cucumbers
> which he has always done. He does hate those and she likes them. But
> then he dipped his roll in the dressing. And then he debated whether
> or not to dip his cookie in it! Thankfully he decided against that.
>
> He is on the diabetic diet. It was somewhat limited. I didn't look
> at the breakfast options. Just the lunch/dinner which is what we
> ordered for him tonight. Everything had the carb count listed. It
> was either 0, 15 or 30 grams of carb. Sandwiches could be ordered in
> half or whole. There were several salads and quite a large choice of
> low carb veg. Those were listed as 0 carbs. For the 15 count veg
> there were peas and something else. I can't remember what the other
> thing was. I don't recall seeing any potatoes listed. But white rice
> was. The meats were rather limited. Turkey breast, salmon, braised
> beef and maybe one other thing. He had the braised beef tonight and I
> was quite annoyed that it came with peas and carrots. It was more
> like a stew. Not enough to count much in terms of carbs but given
> that Angela does have that pea allergy I felt they should be listed.
>
> He also had mac and cheese. This looked like the real thing but the
> sauce was a bit runny. The portion was very small. There was a
> choice of white or wheat roll. There were some dessert choices
> listed. Some had no carbs such as the lemon lime sugar free Jell-O.
> I think there were a couple of other things in that category but I
> can't remember what they were. There was sugar free pudding, regular
> pudding, ice cream, sherbet, angel food cake and cookies. Tonight my
> mom chose a sugar cookie. It was huge and not a sugar cookie but a
> Snickerdoodle. I have to wonder if that was really the right thing
> they gave him. She said last night he had a peanut butter cookie
> which was tiny and tasted terrible.
>
> There were quite a few beverages listed. Coffee, tea, and the decaf.
> versions of both. Several different bottled waters, diet sodas, milk,
> and some sort of diabetic meal replacement shake. I don't think any
> juices were listed at all.
>
> My mom said he was told at the hospital that he could have up to 85
> grams of carb per meal but his Dr. has him on 45 grams which is more
> like what he ate. She did order more than that but he only ate one
> bite of the roll and a few bites of the cookie.
>
> It is up to the patient to order their own meals. They could, if they
> wanted, order one of each meat and one of each low carb veg.
>
> But the problem? My dad is at the point where he really isn't capable
> of doing anything for himself. He just isn't thinking to do it. So
> somebody has to be there to order the meals for him. Which my mom has
> been doing.
>
> They do have a hotel attached to the hospital. She may wind up having
> to stay there. She has been taking a cab and my brother or SIL have
> been driving her home. My husband is going to take her there in the
> morning.
>
> At this point we do not know how long he will be in there. He has
> started some physical therapy but needs a lot more. If he qualifies,
> he can do it there for two weeks. If he doesn't, he will have to go
> elsewhere for four weeks. I think we are all hoping he will be moved
> somewhere closer to home, even though we don't necessarily want him to
> be stuck in some place for longer. Unless of course it is what he
> needs.
>
> They had what appeared to be a really good cafeteria although some of
> it was closed today. During the week there is a taco bar and also a
> deli. Those were closed. The salad station was also closed but
> wasn't supposed to be. There was a steam table with very limited
> choices. And the burger place was open. Very limited menu of beef
> burger, turkey burger, salmon burger, all with a variety of options,
> including no bun. French fries and onion rings. I made the mistake of
> ordering the "big" order of fries and assumed I wouldn't get too many
> based on the $2.00 price. OMG! They could have fed all 6 of us plus
> the next table! I won't be doing that again!
>
> They also had some self serve things including pizza, salads,
> sandwiches, hard boiled eggs, cheeses and sushi.
>
>

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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
>>i hope he recovers quickly, Lee

>
> Thanks! I hope he gets well enough to drive because my mom can't do
> it. I don't really fancy having to drive them everywhere. When we
> moved back here we did try to buy a house in their city but we just
> couldn't afford it. Actually the house next door to them was for sale.
> I did live in it once. But it has stairs and that is no good for me.
> So we didn't consider it.
>
> We live far enough away from them now that it is a pain to have to
> keep going out there. My brother and SIL do live near them but her
> parents are both in really bad shape and they have been doing a lot to
> help with them.


Well there is still time to think about and discuss amongst yourselves
worst case scenarios. I think if he ever drives again it might be a long
time coming. But people adapt to that. My grandparents had to when it
was no longer safe for my grandfather to drive (not that he was ever
safe, but that's another story!) Once things have settled down I think
it quite fair to say take your mum shopping for food every so often, pay
bills whatever but not be expected to be on call as such. I actually
think it was better you aren't living close by given they are a "bit"
difficult. I think most aging people know there will come a time when
life changes for them.



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"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>i hope he recovers quickly, Lee

>>
>> Thanks! I hope he gets well enough to drive because my mom can't do it.
>> I don't really fancy having to drive them everywhere. When we moved back
>> here we did try to buy a house in their city but we just couldn't afford
>> it. Actually the house next door to them was for sale. I did live in it
>> once. But it has stairs and that is no good for me. So we didn't consider
>> it.
>>
>> We live far enough away from them now that it is a pain to have to keep
>> going out there. My brother and SIL do live near them but her parents
>> are both in really bad shape and they have been doing a lot to help with
>> them.

>
> Well there is still time to think about and discuss amongst yourselves
> worst case scenarios. I think if he ever drives again it might be a long
> time coming. But people adapt to that. My grandparents had to when it was
> no longer safe for my grandfather to drive (not that he was ever safe, but
> that's another story!) Once things have settled down I think it quite fair
> to say take your mum shopping for food every so often, pay bills whatever
> but not be expected to be on call as such. I actually think it was better
> you aren't living close by given they are a "bit" difficult. I think most
> aging people know there will come a time when life changes for them.


My mom doesn't shop for food. And that's a problem. What little food they
do keep in the house is stuff that my dad buys. Mostly they go out to eat.
And if they don't do that he gets some sort of fast food. I don't think
there is any need to go out to pay bills. I have tried to get them to do
this online but they just refuse to do it that way.

Mostly if they are not going out to eat they are going to the casino in
another city, to the Dr. (they have a lot of appointments between the two of
them) and to the massage therapist weekly. They also have a maid who comes
once a week and they refuse to be home when she is there. They also go to
the movies a lot too. I honestly don't know how they afford it. We go to
the movies once a month, mainly because they want to go. We can't really
afford to go much more often than that. And we sure can't dine out as often
as they do!

I think all of their prescriptions come by mail. Not sure about the
insulin. They have my dad on some other kind with meals for now. His BG
was high when they admitted him but it was good before dinner tonight.

The biggest problem is that my mom doesn't do a lot of things for herself.
She just expects my dad to do these things for her. Or my brother. Or my
nephew. And she pays him to do things for her. Once in a while she will
ask me to do something for her. But I have the mindset that I will show you
once, or maybe even twice how to do something and then you'd better be able
to do it yourself! Now sure I do make exceptions. Like I know she is going
blind so if it's a matter of having to be able to read or see something, I
know she isn't capable. But there are things that to me are simple things
and she refuses to learn how to do them. Like ordering stuff online. She
has my dad do it for her. She did have me do it once but then she freaked
when she found out how much the item cost! I had ordered this item for her
before and I thought she knew that it was expensive but I think her memory
is really going. She got very upset with me for ordering it. So I am
really torn on this. And other things involving the computer that to me are
easy to fix. She normally relies on my brother to do computer things
because he is a programmer.

I don't think she has ever put gas in the car, taken the car for maintenance
or repairs. She has never assembled things nor has she tried. It is just a
given that my dad will do these things for her.

We'll see. Looks like we are not in for a good time though.


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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>i hope he recovers quickly, Lee
>>>
>>> Thanks! I hope he gets well enough to drive because my mom can't do
>>> it. I don't really fancy having to drive them everywhere. When we
>>> moved back here we did try to buy a house in their city but we just
>>> couldn't afford it. Actually the house next door to them was for
>>> sale. I did live in it once. But it has stairs and that is no good
>>> for me. So we didn't consider it.
>>>
>>> We live far enough away from them now that it is a pain to have to
>>> keep going out there. My brother and SIL do live near them but her
>>> parents are both in really bad shape and they have been doing a lot
>>> to help with them.

>>
>> Well there is still time to think about and discuss amongst
>> yourselves worst case scenarios. I think if he ever drives again it
>> might be a long time coming. But people adapt to that. My
>> grandparents had to when it was no longer safe for my grandfather to
>> drive (not that he was ever safe, but that's another story!) Once
>> things have settled down I think it quite fair to say take your mum
>> shopping for food every so often, pay bills whatever but not be
>> expected to be on call as such. I actually think it was better you
>> aren't living close by given they are a "bit" difficult. I think most
>> aging people know there will come a time when life changes for them.

>
> My mom doesn't shop for food. And that's a problem. What little food
> they do keep in the house is stuff that my dad buys. Mostly they go
> out to eat. And if they don't do that he gets some sort of fast food.
> I don't think there is any need to go out to pay bills. I have tried
> to get them to do this online but they just refuse to do it that way.
>
> Mostly if they are not going out to eat they are going to the casino
> in another city, to the Dr. (they have a lot of appointments between
> the two of them) and to the massage therapist weekly. They also have
> a maid who comes once a week and they refuse to be home when she is
> there. They also go to the movies a lot too. I honestly don't know
> how they afford it. We go to the movies once a month, mainly because
> they want to go. We can't really afford to go much more often than
> that. And we sure can't dine out as often as they do!
>
> I think all of their prescriptions come by mail. Not sure about the
> insulin. They have my dad on some other kind with meals for now. His
> BG was high when they admitted him but it was good before dinner
> tonight.
>
> The biggest problem is that my mom doesn't do a lot of things for
> herself. She just expects my dad to do these things for her. Or my
> brother. Or my nephew. And she pays him to do things for her. Once
> in a while she will ask me to do something for her. But I have the
> mindset that I will show you once, or maybe even twice how to do
> something and then you'd better be able to do it yourself! Now sure I
> do make exceptions. Like I know she is going blind so if it's a
> matter of having to be able to read or see something, I know she isn't
> capable. But there are things that to me are simple things and she
> refuses to learn how to do them. Like ordering stuff online. She has
> my dad do it for her. She did have me do it once but then she freaked
> when she found out how much the item cost! I had ordered this item
> for her before and I thought she knew that it was expensive but I
> think her memory is really going. She got very upset with me for
> ordering it. So I am really torn on this. And other things involving
> the computer that to me are easy to fix. She normally relies on my
> brother to do computer things because he is a programmer.
>
> I don't think she has ever put gas in the car, taken the car for
> maintenance or repairs. She has never assembled things nor has she
> tried. It is just a given that my dad will do these things for her.
>
> We'll see. Looks like we are not in for a good time though.


Well, it could be difficult but surely they expected there would come a
day?...

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: "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
: >
: > My mom doesn't shop for food. And that's a problem. What little food
: > they do keep in the house is stuff that my dad buys. Mostly they go
: > out to eat. And if they don't do that he gets some sort of fast food.
: > I don't think there is any need to go out to pay bills. I have tried
: > to get them to do this online but they just refuse to do it that way.
: >
: > Mostly if they are not going out to eat they are going to the casino
: > in another city, to the Dr. (they have a lot of appointments between
: > the two of them) and to the massage therapist weekly. They also have
: > a maid who comes once a week and they refuse to be home when she is
: > there. They also go to the movies a lot too. I honestly don't know
: > how they afford it. We go to the movies once a month, mainly because
: > they want to go. We can't really afford to go much more often than
: > that. And we sure can't dine out as often as they do!
: >
: > I think all of their prescriptions come by mail. Not sure about the
: > insulin. They have my dad on some other kind with meals for now. His
: > BG was high when they admitted him but it was good before dinner
: > tonight.
: >
: > The biggest problem is that my mom doesn't do a lot of things for
: > herself. She just expects my dad to do these things for her. Or my
: > brother. Or my nephew. And she pays him to do things for her. Once
: > in a while she will ask me to do something for her. But I have the
: > mindset that I will show you once, or maybe even twice how to do
: > something and then you'd better be able to do it yourself! Now sure I
: > do make exceptions. Like I know she is going blind so if it's a
: > matter of having to be able to read or see something, I know she isn't
: > capable. But there are things that to me are simple things and she
: > refuses to learn how to do them. Like ordering stuff online. She has
: > my dad do it for her. She did have me do it once but then she freaked
: > when she found out how much the item cost! I had ordered this item
: > for her before and I thought she knew that it was expensive but I
: > think her memory is really going. She got very upset with me for
: > ordering it. So I am really torn on this. And other things involving
: > the computer that to me are easy to fix. She normally relies on my
: > brother to do computer things because he is a programmer.
: >
: > I don't think she has ever put gas in the car, taken the car for
: > maintenance or repairs. She has never assembled things nor has she
: > tried. It is just a given that my dad will do these things for her.
: >
: > We'll see. Looks like we are not in for a good time though.

: Well, it could be difficult but surely they expected there would come a
: day?...

Given this scenario , with your Mom, not likely to suddently start doing
all these things. Is there a senior living place in the area, the kind
where you live in an apartment and get meals and once a week cleaning and
linen change? This migh tbe what they will have to think of, even if your
father regains some mobility, etc. It is a big change and will, probably
necessitate their selling their house in this bad markt or, at least
renting it. Don't jump and say"never" r "they won't" etc. these kinds of
things do become a reality after a shileunless one of you is prepared to
have them move in with them, which can be EXTREMELY difficult.

Wendy


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>>
>>
>> "Julie > wrote in message
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>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> i hope he recovers quickly, Lee
>>>
>>> Thanks! I hope he gets well enough to drive because my mom can't do it.
>>> I don't really fancy having to drive them everywhere. When we moved back
>>> here we did try to buy a house in their city but we just couldn't afford
>>> it. Actually the house next door to them was for sale. I did live in it
>>> once. But it has stairs and that is no good for me. So we didn't consider
>>> it.
>>>
>>> We live far enough away from them now that it is a pain to have to keep
>>> going out there. My brother and SIL do live near them but her parents
>>> are both in really bad shape and they have been doing a lot to help with
>>> them.

>>
>> Well there is still time to think about and discuss amongst yourselves
>> worst case scenarios. I think if he ever drives again it might be a long
>> time coming. But people adapt to that. My grandparents had to when it was
>> no longer safe for my grandfather to drive (not that he was ever safe, but
>> that's another story!) Once things have settled down I think it quite fair
>> to say take your mum shopping for food every so often, pay bills whatever
>> but not be expected to be on call as such. I actually think it was better
>> you aren't living close by given they are a "bit" difficult. I think most
>> aging people know there will come a time when life changes for them.

>
> My mom doesn't shop for food. And that's a problem. What little food they
> do keep in the house is stuff that my dad buys. Mostly they go out to eat.
> And if they don't do that he gets some sort of fast food. I don't think
> there is any need to go out to pay bills. I have tried to get them to do
> this online but they just refuse to do it that way.
>
> Mostly if they are not going out to eat they are going to the casino in
> another city, to the Dr. (they have a lot of appointments between the two of
> them) and to the massage therapist weekly. They also have a maid who comes
> once a week and they refuse to be home when she is there. They also go to
> the movies a lot too. I honestly don't know how they afford it. We go to
> the movies once a month, mainly because they want to go. We can't really
> afford to go much more often than that. And we sure can't dine out as often
> as they do!
>
> I think all of their prescriptions come by mail. Not sure about the
> insulin. They have my dad on some other kind with meals for now. His BG
> was high when they admitted him but it was good before dinner tonight.
>
> The biggest problem is that my mom doesn't do a lot of things for herself.
> She just expects my dad to do these things for her. Or my brother. Or my
> nephew. And she pays him to do things for her. Once in a while she will
> ask me to do something for her. But I have the mindset that I will show you
> once, or maybe even twice how to do something and then you'd better be able
> to do it yourself! Now sure I do make exceptions. Like I know she is going
> blind so if it's a matter of having to be able to read or see something, I
> know she isn't capable. But there are things that to me are simple things
> and she refuses to learn how to do them. Like ordering stuff online. She
> has my dad do it for her. She did have me do it once but then she freaked
> when she found out how much the item cost! I had ordered this item for her
> before and I thought she knew that it was expensive but I think her memory
> is really going. She got very upset with me for ordering it. So I am
> really torn on this. And other things involving the computer that to me are
> easy to fix. She normally relies on my brother to do computer things
> because he is a programmer.
>
> I don't think she has ever put gas in the car, taken the car for maintenance
> or repairs. She has never assembled things nor has she tried. It is just a
> given that my dad will do these things for her.
>
> We'll see. Looks like we are not in for a good time though.
>
>

The is an elderly couple who take a taxi to/from the restaurant every
day for their dinner. Dinner is 4:30 pm for them and they take home 1/2
the senior's portion they just ate. The lady indicates that a soft
boiled egg, toast and coffee is their morning meal; the left overs are
their mid day meal; dinner ensures they have at least lunch at home the
next day.

i didn't define elderly
he's 102 and she's 97

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>
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> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>>
>> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>i hope he recovers quickly, Lee
>>>>
>>>> Thanks! I hope he gets well enough to drive because my mom can't do
>>>> it. I don't really fancy having to drive them everywhere. When we
>>>> moved back here we did try to buy a house in their city but we just
>>>> couldn't afford it. Actually the house next door to them was for sale.
>>>> I did live in it once. But it has stairs and that is no good for me. So
>>>> we didn't consider it.
>>>>
>>>> We live far enough away from them now that it is a pain to have to keep
>>>> going out there. My brother and SIL do live near them but her parents
>>>> are both in really bad shape and they have been doing a lot to help
>>>> with them.
>>>
>>> Well there is still time to think about and discuss amongst yourselves
>>> worst case scenarios. I think if he ever drives again it might be a long
>>> time coming. But people adapt to that. My grandparents had to when it
>>> was no longer safe for my grandfather to drive (not that he was ever
>>> safe, but that's another story!) Once things have settled down I think
>>> it quite fair to say take your mum shopping for food every so often, pay
>>> bills whatever but not be expected to be on call as such. I actually
>>> think it was better you aren't living close by given they are a "bit"
>>> difficult. I think most aging people know there will come a time when
>>> life changes for them.

>>
>> My mom doesn't shop for food. And that's a problem. What little food
>> they do keep in the house is stuff that my dad buys. Mostly they go out
>> to eat. And if they don't do that he gets some sort of fast food. I don't
>> think there is any need to go out to pay bills. I have tried to get them
>> to do this online but they just refuse to do it that way.
>>
>> Mostly if they are not going out to eat they are going to the casino in
>> another city, to the Dr. (they have a lot of appointments between the two
>> of them) and to the massage therapist weekly. They also have a maid who
>> comes once a week and they refuse to be home when she is there. They
>> also go to the movies a lot too. I honestly don't know how they afford
>> it. We go to the movies once a month, mainly because they want to go.
>> We can't really afford to go much more often than that. And we sure
>> can't dine out as often as they do!
>>
>> I think all of their prescriptions come by mail. Not sure about the
>> insulin. They have my dad on some other kind with meals for now. His BG
>> was high when they admitted him but it was good before dinner tonight.
>>
>> The biggest problem is that my mom doesn't do a lot of things for
>> herself. She just expects my dad to do these things for her. Or my
>> brother. Or my nephew. And she pays him to do things for her. Once in
>> a while she will ask me to do something for her. But I have the mindset
>> that I will show you once, or maybe even twice how to do something and
>> then you'd better be able to do it yourself! Now sure I do make
>> exceptions. Like I know she is going blind so if it's a matter of having
>> to be able to read or see something, I know she isn't capable. But there
>> are things that to me are simple things and she refuses to learn how to
>> do them. Like ordering stuff online. She has my dad do it for her. She
>> did have me do it once but then she freaked when she found out how much
>> the item cost! I had ordered this item for her before and I thought she
>> knew that it was expensive but I think her memory is really going. She
>> got very upset with me for ordering it. So I am really torn on this.
>> And other things involving the computer that to me are easy to fix. She
>> normally relies on my brother to do computer things because he is a
>> programmer.
>>
>> I don't think she has ever put gas in the car, taken the car for
>> maintenance or repairs. She has never assembled things nor has she
>> tried. It is just a given that my dad will do these things for her.
>>
>> We'll see. Looks like we are not in for a good time though.

>
> Well, it could be difficult but surely they expected there would come a
> day?...


I don't think she ever thought of it.




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> Ozgirl > wrote:
>
>
> : "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> : >
> : > My mom doesn't shop for food. And that's a problem. What little food
> : > they do keep in the house is stuff that my dad buys. Mostly they go
> : > out to eat. And if they don't do that he gets some sort of fast food.
> : > I don't think there is any need to go out to pay bills. I have tried
> : > to get them to do this online but they just refuse to do it that way.
> : >
> : > Mostly if they are not going out to eat they are going to the casino
> : > in another city, to the Dr. (they have a lot of appointments between
> : > the two of them) and to the massage therapist weekly. They also have
> : > a maid who comes once a week and they refuse to be home when she is
> : > there. They also go to the movies a lot too. I honestly don't know
> : > how they afford it. We go to the movies once a month, mainly because
> : > they want to go. We can't really afford to go much more often than
> : > that. And we sure can't dine out as often as they do!
> : >
> : > I think all of their prescriptions come by mail. Not sure about the
> : > insulin. They have my dad on some other kind with meals for now. His
> : > BG was high when they admitted him but it was good before dinner
> : > tonight.
> : >
> : > The biggest problem is that my mom doesn't do a lot of things for
> : > herself. She just expects my dad to do these things for her. Or my
> : > brother. Or my nephew. And she pays him to do things for her. Once
> : > in a while she will ask me to do something for her. But I have the
> : > mindset that I will show you once, or maybe even twice how to do
> : > something and then you'd better be able to do it yourself! Now sure I
> : > do make exceptions. Like I know she is going blind so if it's a
> : > matter of having to be able to read or see something, I know she isn't
> : > capable. But there are things that to me are simple things and she
> : > refuses to learn how to do them. Like ordering stuff online. She has
> : > my dad do it for her. She did have me do it once but then she freaked
> : > when she found out how much the item cost! I had ordered this item
> : > for her before and I thought she knew that it was expensive but I
> : > think her memory is really going. She got very upset with me for
> : > ordering it. So I am really torn on this. And other things involving
> : > the computer that to me are easy to fix. She normally relies on my
> : > brother to do computer things because he is a programmer.
> : >
> : > I don't think she has ever put gas in the car, taken the car for
> : > maintenance or repairs. She has never assembled things nor has she
> : > tried. It is just a given that my dad will do these things for her.
> : >
> : > We'll see. Looks like we are not in for a good time though.
>
> : Well, it could be difficult but surely they expected there would come a
> : day?...
>
> Given this scenario , with your Mom, not likely to suddently start doing
> all these things. Is there a senior living place in the area, the kind
> where you live in an apartment and get meals and once a week cleaning and
> linen change? This migh tbe what they will have to think of, even if your
> father regains some mobility, etc. It is a big change and will, probably
> necessitate their selling their house in this bad markt or, at least
> renting it. Don't jump and say"never" r "they won't" etc. these kinds of
> things do become a reality after a shileunless one of you is prepared to
> have them move in with them, which can be EXTREMELY difficult.


There is one near us and they have refused to go. My mom said they can
never move out of their house. She isn't being reasonable on many fronts.
OTOH it is highly unlikely that their house would sell. They have 1 11/2
baths and the realtor said people do not want this. Now they want 2 full
baths.

Their house is paid off. So they only pay the taxes. There is no way they
could afford rent unless they could sell the house.


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> On 9/4/2011 3:23 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Julie > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> i hope he recovers quickly, Lee
>>>>
>>>> Thanks! I hope he gets well enough to drive because my mom can't do
>>>> it.
>>>> I don't really fancy having to drive them everywhere. When we moved
>>>> back
>>>> here we did try to buy a house in their city but we just couldn't
>>>> afford
>>>> it. Actually the house next door to them was for sale. I did live in it
>>>> once. But it has stairs and that is no good for me. So we didn't
>>>> consider
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> We live far enough away from them now that it is a pain to have to keep
>>>> going out there. My brother and SIL do live near them but her parents
>>>> are both in really bad shape and they have been doing a lot to help
>>>> with
>>>> them.
>>>
>>> Well there is still time to think about and discuss amongst yourselves
>>> worst case scenarios. I think if he ever drives again it might be a long
>>> time coming. But people adapt to that. My grandparents had to when it
>>> was
>>> no longer safe for my grandfather to drive (not that he was ever safe,
>>> but
>>> that's another story!) Once things have settled down I think it quite
>>> fair
>>> to say take your mum shopping for food every so often, pay bills
>>> whatever
>>> but not be expected to be on call as such. I actually think it was
>>> better
>>> you aren't living close by given they are a "bit" difficult. I think
>>> most
>>> aging people know there will come a time when life changes for them.

>>
>> My mom doesn't shop for food. And that's a problem. What little food
>> they
>> do keep in the house is stuff that my dad buys. Mostly they go out to
>> eat.
>> And if they don't do that he gets some sort of fast food. I don't think
>> there is any need to go out to pay bills. I have tried to get them to do
>> this online but they just refuse to do it that way.
>>
>> Mostly if they are not going out to eat they are going to the casino in
>> another city, to the Dr. (they have a lot of appointments between the two
>> of
>> them) and to the massage therapist weekly. They also have a maid who
>> comes
>> once a week and they refuse to be home when she is there. They also go
>> to
>> the movies a lot too. I honestly don't know how they afford it. We go
>> to
>> the movies once a month, mainly because they want to go. We can't really
>> afford to go much more often than that. And we sure can't dine out as
>> often
>> as they do!
>>
>> I think all of their prescriptions come by mail. Not sure about the
>> insulin. They have my dad on some other kind with meals for now. His BG
>> was high when they admitted him but it was good before dinner tonight.
>>
>> The biggest problem is that my mom doesn't do a lot of things for
>> herself.
>> She just expects my dad to do these things for her. Or my brother. Or
>> my
>> nephew. And she pays him to do things for her. Once in a while she will
>> ask me to do something for her. But I have the mindset that I will show
>> you
>> once, or maybe even twice how to do something and then you'd better be
>> able
>> to do it yourself! Now sure I do make exceptions. Like I know she is
>> going
>> blind so if it's a matter of having to be able to read or see something,
>> I
>> know she isn't capable. But there are things that to me are simple
>> things
>> and she refuses to learn how to do them. Like ordering stuff online.
>> She
>> has my dad do it for her. She did have me do it once but then she
>> freaked
>> when she found out how much the item cost! I had ordered this item for
>> her
>> before and I thought she knew that it was expensive but I think her
>> memory
>> is really going. She got very upset with me for ordering it. So I am
>> really torn on this. And other things involving the computer that to me
>> are
>> easy to fix. She normally relies on my brother to do computer things
>> because he is a programmer.
>>
>> I don't think she has ever put gas in the car, taken the car for
>> maintenance
>> or repairs. She has never assembled things nor has she tried. It is
>> just a
>> given that my dad will do these things for her.
>>
>> We'll see. Looks like we are not in for a good time though.
>>
>>

> The is an elderly couple who take a taxi to/from the restaurant every day
> for their dinner. Dinner is 4:30 pm for them and they take home 1/2 the
> senior's portion they just ate. The lady indicates that a soft boiled
> egg, toast and coffee is their morning meal; the left overs are their mid
> day meal; dinner ensures they have at least lunch at home the next day.
>
> i didn't define elderly
> he's 102 and she's 97


It's very expensive to get taxis here. They only have them in Seattle and
Everett and not the cities where we live. It is costing my mom $50 to get
to the hospital.

She just called and they are moving him tomorrow to another floor for
physical therapy. So that means he will likely get out in 2 weeks! And
because tomorrow is a holiday we can visit.


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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "W. Baker" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ozgirl > wrote:
>>
>>
>> : "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> : >
>> : > My mom doesn't shop for food. And that's a problem. What little
>> food
>> : > they do keep in the house is stuff that my dad buys. Mostly they go
>> : > out to eat. And if they don't do that he gets some sort of fast food.
>> : > I don't think there is any need to go out to pay bills. I have tried
>> : > to get them to do this online but they just refuse to do it that way.
>> : >
>> : > Mostly if they are not going out to eat they are going to the casino
>> : > in another city, to the Dr. (they have a lot of appointments between
>> : > the two of them) and to the massage therapist weekly. They also have
>> : > a maid who comes once a week and they refuse to be home when she is
>> : > there. They also go to the movies a lot too. I honestly don't know
>> : > how they afford it. We go to the movies once a month, mainly because
>> : > they want to go. We can't really afford to go much more often than
>> : > that. And we sure can't dine out as often as they do!
>> : >
>> : > I think all of their prescriptions come by mail. Not sure about the
>> : > insulin. They have my dad on some other kind with meals for now.
>> His
>> : > BG was high when they admitted him but it was good before dinner
>> : > tonight.
>> : >
>> : > The biggest problem is that my mom doesn't do a lot of things for
>> : > herself. She just expects my dad to do these things for her. Or my
>> : > brother. Or my nephew. And she pays him to do things for her. Once
>> : > in a while she will ask me to do something for her. But I have the
>> : > mindset that I will show you once, or maybe even twice how to do
>> : > something and then you'd better be able to do it yourself! Now sure
>> I
>> : > do make exceptions. Like I know she is going blind so if it's a
>> : > matter of having to be able to read or see something, I know she
>> isn't
>> : > capable. But there are things that to me are simple things and she
>> : > refuses to learn how to do them. Like ordering stuff online. She
>> has
>> : > my dad do it for her. She did have me do it once but then she
>> freaked
>> : > when she found out how much the item cost! I had ordered this item
>> : > for her before and I thought she knew that it was expensive but I
>> : > think her memory is really going. She got very upset with me for
>> : > ordering it. So I am really torn on this. And other things
>> involving
>> : > the computer that to me are easy to fix. She normally relies on my
>> : > brother to do computer things because he is a programmer.
>> : >
>> : > I don't think she has ever put gas in the car, taken the car for
>> : > maintenance or repairs. She has never assembled things nor has she
>> : > tried. It is just a given that my dad will do these things for her.
>> : >
>> : > We'll see. Looks like we are not in for a good time though.
>>
>> : Well, it could be difficult but surely they expected there would come a
>> : day?...
>>
>> Given this scenario , with your Mom, not likely to suddently start doing
>> all these things. Is there a senior living place in the area, the kind
>> where you live in an apartment and get meals and once a week cleaning and
>> linen change? This migh tbe what they will have to think of, even if
>> your
>> father regains some mobility, etc. It is a big change and will, probably
>> necessitate their selling their house in this bad markt or, at least
>> renting it. Don't jump and say"never" r "they won't" etc. these kinds
>> of
>> things do become a reality after a shileunless one of you is prepared to
>> have them move in with them, which can be EXTREMELY difficult.

>
> There is one near us and they have refused to go. My mom said they can
> never move out of their house. She isn't being reasonable on many fronts.
> OTOH it is highly unlikely that their house would sell. They have 1 11/2
> baths and the realtor said people do not want this. Now they want 2 full
> baths.
>
> Their house is paid off. So they only pay the taxes. There is no way
> they could afford rent unless they could sell the house.
>



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>>>>>
>>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
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>>>>>>i hope he recovers quickly, Lee
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks! I hope he gets well enough to drive because my mom can't
>>>>> do it. I don't really fancy having to drive them everywhere. When
>>>>> we moved back here we did try to buy a house in their city but we
>>>>> just couldn't afford it. Actually the house next door to them was
>>>>> for sale. I did live in it once. But it has stairs and that is no
>>>>> good for me. So we didn't consider it.
>>>>>
>>>>> We live far enough away from them now that it is a pain to have to
>>>>> keep going out there. My brother and SIL do live near them but
>>>>> her parents are both in really bad shape and they have been doing
>>>>> a lot to help with them.
>>>>
>>>> Well there is still time to think about and discuss amongst
>>>> yourselves worst case scenarios. I think if he ever drives again it
>>>> might be a long time coming. But people adapt to that. My
>>>> grandparents had to when it was no longer safe for my grandfather
>>>> to drive (not that he was ever safe, but that's another story!)
>>>> Once things have settled down I think it quite fair to say take
>>>> your mum shopping for food every so often, pay bills whatever but
>>>> not be expected to be on call as such. I actually think it was
>>>> better you aren't living close by given they are a "bit" difficult.
>>>> I think most aging people know there will come a time when life
>>>> changes for them.
>>>
>>> My mom doesn't shop for food. And that's a problem. What little
>>> food they do keep in the house is stuff that my dad buys. Mostly
>>> they go out to eat. And if they don't do that he gets some sort of
>>> fast food. I don't think there is any need to go out to pay bills.
>>> I have tried to get them to do this online but they just refuse to
>>> do it that way.
>>>
>>> Mostly if they are not going out to eat they are going to the casino
>>> in another city, to the Dr. (they have a lot of appointments between
>>> the two of them) and to the massage therapist weekly. They also
>>> have a maid who comes once a week and they refuse to be home when
>>> she is there. They also go to the movies a lot too. I honestly
>>> don't know how they afford it. We go to the movies once a month,
>>> mainly because they want to go. We can't really afford to go much
>>> more often than that. And we sure can't dine out as often as they
>>> do!
>>>
>>> I think all of their prescriptions come by mail. Not sure about the
>>> insulin. They have my dad on some other kind with meals for now.
>>> His BG was high when they admitted him but it was good before dinner
>>> tonight.
>>>
>>> The biggest problem is that my mom doesn't do a lot of things for
>>> herself. She just expects my dad to do these things for her. Or my
>>> brother. Or my nephew. And she pays him to do things for her.
>>> Once in a while she will ask me to do something for her. But I have
>>> the mindset that I will show you once, or maybe even twice how to do
>>> something and then you'd better be able to do it yourself! Now sure
>>> I do make exceptions. Like I know she is going blind so if it's a
>>> matter of having to be able to read or see something, I know she
>>> isn't capable. But there are things that to me are simple things
>>> and she refuses to learn how to do them. Like ordering stuff
>>> online. She has my dad do it for her. She did have me do it once
>>> but then she freaked when she found out how much the item cost! I
>>> had ordered this item for her before and I thought she knew that it
>>> was expensive but I think her memory is really going. She got very
>>> upset with me for ordering it. So I am really torn on this. And
>>> other things involving the computer that to me are easy to fix. She
>>> normally relies on my brother to do computer things because he is a
>>> programmer.
>>>
>>> I don't think she has ever put gas in the car, taken the car for
>>> maintenance or repairs. She has never assembled things nor has she
>>> tried. It is just a given that my dad will do these things for her.
>>>
>>> We'll see. Looks like we are not in for a good time though.

>>
>> Well, it could be difficult but surely they expected there would come
>> a day?...

>
> I don't think she ever thought of it.


Well it will be a swim or sink situation especially if your dad isn't
capable of driving anymore.

>
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: "W. Baker" > wrote in message
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: > Ozgirl > wrote:
: >
: >
: > : "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
: > : >
: > : > My mom doesn't shop for food. And that's a problem. What little food
: > : > they do keep in the house is stuff that my dad buys. Mostly they go
: > : > out to eat. And if they don't do that he gets some sort of fast food.
: > : > I don't think there is any need to go out to pay bills. I have tried
: > : > to get them to do this online but they just refuse to do it that way.
: > : >
: > : > Mostly if they are not going out to eat they are going to the casino
: > : > in another city, to the Dr. (they have a lot of appointments between
: > : > the two of them) and to the massage therapist weekly. They also have
: > : > a maid who comes once a week and they refuse to be home when she is
: > : > there. They also go to the movies a lot too. I honestly don't know
: > : > how they afford it. We go to the movies once a month, mainly because
: > : > they want to go. We can't really afford to go much more often than
: > : > that. And we sure can't dine out as often as they do!
: > : >
: > : > I think all of their prescriptions come by mail. Not sure about the
: > : > insulin. They have my dad on some other kind with meals for now. His
: > : > BG was high when they admitted him but it was good before dinner
: > : > tonight.
: > : >
: > : > The biggest problem is that my mom doesn't do a lot of things for
: > : > herself. She just expects my dad to do these things for her. Or my
: > : > brother. Or my nephew. And she pays him to do things for her. Once
: > : > in a while she will ask me to do something for her. But I have the
: > : > mindset that I will show you once, or maybe even twice how to do
: > : > something and then you'd better be able to do it yourself! Now sure I
: > : > do make exceptions. Like I know she is going blind so if it's a
: > : > matter of having to be able to read or see something, I know she isn't
: > : > capable. But there are things that to me are simple things and she
: > : > refuses to learn how to do them. Like ordering stuff online. She has
: > : > my dad do it for her. She did have me do it once but then she freaked
: > : > when she found out how much the item cost! I had ordered this item
: > : > for her before and I thought she knew that it was expensive but I
: > : > think her memory is really going. She got very upset with me for
: > : > ordering it. So I am really torn on this. And other things involving
: > : > the computer that to me are easy to fix. She normally relies on my
: > : > brother to do computer things because he is a programmer.
: > : >
: > : > I don't think she has ever put gas in the car, taken the car for
: > : > maintenance or repairs. She has never assembled things nor has she
: > : > tried. It is just a given that my dad will do these things for her.
: > : >
: > : > We'll see. Looks like we are not in for a good time though.
: >
: > : Well, it could be difficult but surely they expected there would come a
: > : day?...
: >
: > Given this scenario , with your Mom, not likely to suddently start doing
: > all these things. Is there a senior living place in the area, the kind
: > where you live in an apartment and get meals and once a week cleaning and
: > linen change? This migh tbe what they will have to think of, even if your
: > father regains some mobility, etc. It is a big change and will, probably
: > necessitate their selling their house in this bad markt or, at least
: > renting it. Don't jump and say"never" r "they won't" etc. these kinds of
: > things do become a reality after a shileunless one of you is prepared to
: > have them move in with them, which can be EXTREMELY difficult.

: There is one near us and they have refused to go. My mom said they can
: never move out of their house. She isn't being reasonable on many fronts.
: OTOH it is highly unlikely that their house would sell. They have 1 11/2
: baths and the realtor said people do not want this. Now they want 2 full
: baths.

: Their house is paid off. So they only pay the taxes. There is no way they
: could afford rent unless they could sell the house.

What I said ws they could rent the house (out to someone), thus havig
monthly income for whatever.

Wendy


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Tiger Lily > wrote:
: On 9/4/2011 3:23 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
: > > wrote in message
: > ...
: >>
: >>
: >> "Julie > wrote in message
: >> ...
: >>>
: >>> > wrote in message
: >>> ...
: >>>> i hope he recovers quickly, Lee
: >>>
: >>> Thanks! I hope he gets well enough to drive because my mom can't do it.
: >>> I don't really fancy having to drive them everywhere. When we moved back
: >>> here we did try to buy a house in their city but we just couldn't afford
: >>> it. Actually the house next door to them was for sale. I did live in it
: >>> once. But it has stairs and that is no good for me. So we didn't consider
: >>> it.
: >>>
: >>> We live far enough away from them now that it is a pain to have to keep
: >>> going out there. My brother and SIL do live near them but her parents
: >>> are both in really bad shape and they have been doing a lot to help with
: >>> them.
: >>
: >> Well there is still time to think about and discuss amongst yourselves
: >> worst case scenarios. I think if he ever drives again it might be a long
: >> time coming. But people adapt to that. My grandparents had to when it was
: >> no longer safe for my grandfather to drive (not that he was ever safe, but
: >> that's another story!) Once things have settled down I think it quite fair
: >> to say take your mum shopping for food every so often, pay bills whatever
: >> but not be expected to be on call as such. I actually think it was better
: >> you aren't living close by given they are a "bit" difficult. I think most
: >> aging people know there will come a time when life changes for them.
: >
: > My mom doesn't shop for food. And that's a problem. What little food they
: > do keep in the house is stuff that my dad buys. Mostly they go out to eat.
: > And if they don't do that he gets some sort of fast food. I don't think
: > there is any need to go out to pay bills. I have tried to get them to do
: > this online but they just refuse to do it that way.
: >
: > Mostly if they are not going out to eat they are going to the casino in
: > another city, to the Dr. (they have a lot of appointments between the two of
: > them) and to the massage therapist weekly. They also have a maid who comes
: > once a week and they refuse to be home when she is there. They also go to
: > the movies a lot too. I honestly don't know how they afford it. We go to
: > the movies once a month, mainly because they want to go. We can't really
: > afford to go much more often than that. And we sure can't dine out as often
: > as they do!
: >
: > I think all of their prescriptions come by mail. Not sure about the
: > insulin. They have my dad on some other kind with meals for now. His BG
: > was high when they admitted him but it was good before dinner tonight.
: >
: > The biggest problem is that my mom doesn't do a lot of things for herself.
: > She just expects my dad to do these things for her. Or my brother. Or my
: > nephew. And she pays him to do things for her. Once in a while she will
: > ask me to do something for her. But I have the mindset that I will show you
: > once, or maybe even twice how to do something and then you'd better be able
: > to do it yourself! Now sure I do make exceptions. Like I know she is going
: > blind so if it's a matter of having to be able to read or see something, I
: > know she isn't capable. But there are things that to me are simple things
: > and she refuses to learn how to do them. Like ordering stuff online. She
: > has my dad do it for her. She did have me do it once but then she freaked
: > when she found out how much the item cost! I had ordered this item for her
: > before and I thought she knew that it was expensive but I think her memory
: > is really going. She got very upset with me for ordering it. So I am
: > really torn on this. And other things involving the computer that to me are
: > easy to fix. She normally relies on my brother to do computer things
: > because he is a programmer.
: >
: > I don't think she has ever put gas in the car, taken the car for maintenance
: > or repairs. She has never assembled things nor has she tried. It is just a
: > given that my dad will do these things for her.
: >
: > We'll see. Looks like we are not in for a good time though.
: >
: >
: The is an elderly couple who take a taxi to/from the restaurant every
: day for their dinner. Dinner is 4:30 pm for them and they take home 1/2
: the senior's portion they just ate. The lady indicates that a soft
: boiled egg, toast and coffee is their morning meal; the left overs are
: their mid day meal; dinner ensures they have at least lunch at home the
: next day.

: i didn't define elderly
: he's 102 and she's 97

: kate

Do they have a senior feeding program either like senior lunches for a
small fee or meals on wheels whic bring a prepared meal to the house 5 das
a week? The other meals woul only entail light shopping that your mother
could learn to do or that one of you could send over or oder from the
computer.

Wendy
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and find a different realtor, lots of houses still have only one full bath,
trust me i have been doing a LOT of looking at houses/plans...

having said that i will always contend that two full baths keeps a
relationship together through the stressful times, Lee
"W. Baker" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove > wrote:
>
> : "W. Baker" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > Ozgirl > wrote:
> : >
> : >
> : > : "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> : > : >
> : > : > My mom doesn't shop for food. And that's a problem. What little
> food
> : > : > they do keep in the house is stuff that my dad buys. Mostly they
> go
> : > : > out to eat. And if they don't do that he gets some sort of fast
> food.
> : > : > I don't think there is any need to go out to pay bills. I have
> tried
> : > : > to get them to do this online but they just refuse to do it that
> way.
> : > : >
> : > : > Mostly if they are not going out to eat they are going to the
> casino
> : > : > in another city, to the Dr. (they have a lot of appointments
> between
> : > : > the two of them) and to the massage therapist weekly. They also
> have
> : > : > a maid who comes once a week and they refuse to be home when she
> is
> : > : > there. They also go to the movies a lot too. I honestly don't
> know
> : > : > how they afford it. We go to the movies once a month, mainly
> because
> : > : > they want to go. We can't really afford to go much more often
> than
> : > : > that. And we sure can't dine out as often as they do!
> : > : >
> : > : > I think all of their prescriptions come by mail. Not sure about
> the
> : > : > insulin. They have my dad on some other kind with meals for now.
> His
> : > : > BG was high when they admitted him but it was good before dinner
> : > : > tonight.
> : > : >
> : > : > The biggest problem is that my mom doesn't do a lot of things for
> : > : > herself. She just expects my dad to do these things for her. Or
> my
> : > : > brother. Or my nephew. And she pays him to do things for her.
> Once
> : > : > in a while she will ask me to do something for her. But I have
> the
> : > : > mindset that I will show you once, or maybe even twice how to do
> : > : > something and then you'd better be able to do it yourself! Now
> sure I
> : > : > do make exceptions. Like I know she is going blind so if it's a
> : > : > matter of having to be able to read or see something, I know she
> isn't
> : > : > capable. But there are things that to me are simple things and
> she
> : > : > refuses to learn how to do them. Like ordering stuff online. She
> has
> : > : > my dad do it for her. She did have me do it once but then she
> freaked
> : > : > when she found out how much the item cost! I had ordered this
> item
> : > : > for her before and I thought she knew that it was expensive but I
> : > : > think her memory is really going. She got very upset with me for
> : > : > ordering it. So I am really torn on this. And other things
> involving
> : > : > the computer that to me are easy to fix. She normally relies on
> my
> : > : > brother to do computer things because he is a programmer.
> : > : >
> : > : > I don't think she has ever put gas in the car, taken the car for
> : > : > maintenance or repairs. She has never assembled things nor has
> she
> : > : > tried. It is just a given that my dad will do these things for
> her.
> : > : >
> : > : > We'll see. Looks like we are not in for a good time though.
> : >
> : > : Well, it could be difficult but surely they expected there would
> come a
> : > : day?...
> : >
> : > Given this scenario , with your Mom, not likely to suddently start
> doing
> : > all these things. Is there a senior living place in the area, the
> kind
> : > where you live in an apartment and get meals and once a week cleaning
> and
> : > linen change? This migh tbe what they will have to think of, even if
> your
> : > father regains some mobility, etc. It is a big change and will,
> probably
> : > necessitate their selling their house in this bad markt or, at least
> : > renting it. Don't jump and say"never" r "they won't" etc. these
> kinds of
> : > things do become a reality after a shileunless one of you is prepared
> to
> : > have them move in with them, which can be EXTREMELY difficult.
>
> : There is one near us and they have refused to go. My mom said they can
> : never move out of their house. She isn't being reasonable on many
> fronts.
> : OTOH it is highly unlikely that their house would sell. They have 1
> 11/2
> : baths and the realtor said people do not want this. Now they want 2
> full
> : baths.
>
> : Their house is paid off. So they only pay the taxes. There is no way
> they
> : could afford rent unless they could sell the house.
>
> What I said ws they could rent the house (out to someone), thus havig
> monthly income for whatever.
>
> Wendy



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> : Their house is paid off. So they only pay the taxes. There is no way they
> : could afford rent unless they could sell the house.
>
> What I said ws they could rent the house (out to someone), thus havig
> monthly income for whatever.


and of course there are those pesky reverse mortgages
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"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>i hope he recovers quickly, Lee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks! I hope he gets well enough to drive because my mom can't do
>>>>>> it. I don't really fancy having to drive them everywhere. When we
>>>>>> moved back here we did try to buy a house in their city but we just
>>>>>> couldn't afford it. Actually the house next door to them was for
>>>>>> sale. I did live in it once. But it has stairs and that is no good
>>>>>> for me. So we didn't consider it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We live far enough away from them now that it is a pain to have to
>>>>>> keep going out there. My brother and SIL do live near them but her
>>>>>> parents are both in really bad shape and they have been doing a lot
>>>>>> to help with them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well there is still time to think about and discuss amongst yourselves
>>>>> worst case scenarios. I think if he ever drives again it might be a
>>>>> long time coming. But people adapt to that. My grandparents had to
>>>>> when it was no longer safe for my grandfather to drive (not that he
>>>>> was ever safe, but that's another story!) Once things have settled
>>>>> down I think it quite fair to say take your mum shopping for food
>>>>> every so often, pay bills whatever but not be expected to be on call
>>>>> as such. I actually think it was better you aren't living close by
>>>>> given they are a "bit" difficult. I think most aging people know there
>>>>> will come a time when life changes for them.
>>>>
>>>> My mom doesn't shop for food. And that's a problem. What little food
>>>> they do keep in the house is stuff that my dad buys. Mostly they go
>>>> out to eat. And if they don't do that he gets some sort of fast food. I
>>>> don't think there is any need to go out to pay bills. I have tried to
>>>> get them to do this online but they just refuse to do it that way.
>>>>
>>>> Mostly if they are not going out to eat they are going to the casino in
>>>> another city, to the Dr. (they have a lot of appointments between the
>>>> two of them) and to the massage therapist weekly. They also have a
>>>> maid who comes once a week and they refuse to be home when she is
>>>> there. They also go to the movies a lot too. I honestly don't know
>>>> how they afford it. We go to the movies once a month, mainly because
>>>> they want to go. We can't really afford to go much more often than
>>>> that. And we sure can't dine out as often as they do!
>>>>
>>>> I think all of their prescriptions come by mail. Not sure about the
>>>> insulin. They have my dad on some other kind with meals for now. His
>>>> BG was high when they admitted him but it was good before dinner
>>>> tonight.
>>>>
>>>> The biggest problem is that my mom doesn't do a lot of things for
>>>> herself. She just expects my dad to do these things for her. Or my
>>>> brother. Or my nephew. And she pays him to do things for her. Once in
>>>> a while she will ask me to do something for her. But I have the
>>>> mindset that I will show you once, or maybe even twice how to do
>>>> something and then you'd better be able to do it yourself! Now sure I
>>>> do make exceptions. Like I know she is going blind so if it's a matter
>>>> of having to be able to read or see something, I know she isn't
>>>> capable. But there are things that to me are simple things and she
>>>> refuses to learn how to do them. Like ordering stuff online. She has
>>>> my dad do it for her. She did have me do it once but then she freaked
>>>> when she found out how much the item cost! I had ordered this item for
>>>> her before and I thought she knew that it was expensive but I think her
>>>> memory is really going. She got very upset with me for ordering it.
>>>> So I am really torn on this. And other things involving the computer
>>>> that to me are easy to fix. She normally relies on my brother to do
>>>> computer things because he is a programmer.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think she has ever put gas in the car, taken the car for
>>>> maintenance or repairs. She has never assembled things nor has she
>>>> tried. It is just a given that my dad will do these things for her.
>>>>
>>>> We'll see. Looks like we are not in for a good time though.
>>>
>>> Well, it could be difficult but surely they expected there would come a
>>> day?...

>>
>> I don't think she ever thought of it.

>
> Well it will be a swim or sink situation especially if your dad isn't
> capable of driving anymore.


Yes. I guess we'll see how it all plays out.


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"W. Baker" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove > wrote:
>
> : "W. Baker" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > Ozgirl > wrote:
> : >
> : >
> : > : "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> : > : >
> : > : > My mom doesn't shop for food. And that's a problem. What little
> food
> : > : > they do keep in the house is stuff that my dad buys. Mostly they
> go
> : > : > out to eat. And if they don't do that he gets some sort of fast
> food.
> : > : > I don't think there is any need to go out to pay bills. I have
> tried
> : > : > to get them to do this online but they just refuse to do it that
> way.
> : > : >
> : > : > Mostly if they are not going out to eat they are going to the
> casino
> : > : > in another city, to the Dr. (they have a lot of appointments
> between
> : > : > the two of them) and to the massage therapist weekly. They also
> have
> : > : > a maid who comes once a week and they refuse to be home when she
> is
> : > : > there. They also go to the movies a lot too. I honestly don't
> know
> : > : > how they afford it. We go to the movies once a month, mainly
> because
> : > : > they want to go. We can't really afford to go much more often
> than
> : > : > that. And we sure can't dine out as often as they do!
> : > : >
> : > : > I think all of their prescriptions come by mail. Not sure about
> the
> : > : > insulin. They have my dad on some other kind with meals for now.
> His
> : > : > BG was high when they admitted him but it was good before dinner
> : > : > tonight.
> : > : >
> : > : > The biggest problem is that my mom doesn't do a lot of things for
> : > : > herself. She just expects my dad to do these things for her. Or
> my
> : > : > brother. Or my nephew. And she pays him to do things for her.
> Once
> : > : > in a while she will ask me to do something for her. But I have
> the
> : > : > mindset that I will show you once, or maybe even twice how to do
> : > : > something and then you'd better be able to do it yourself! Now
> sure I
> : > : > do make exceptions. Like I know she is going blind so if it's a
> : > : > matter of having to be able to read or see something, I know she
> isn't
> : > : > capable. But there are things that to me are simple things and
> she
> : > : > refuses to learn how to do them. Like ordering stuff online. She
> has
> : > : > my dad do it for her. She did have me do it once but then she
> freaked
> : > : > when she found out how much the item cost! I had ordered this
> item
> : > : > for her before and I thought she knew that it was expensive but I
> : > : > think her memory is really going. She got very upset with me for
> : > : > ordering it. So I am really torn on this. And other things
> involving
> : > : > the computer that to me are easy to fix. She normally relies on
> my
> : > : > brother to do computer things because he is a programmer.
> : > : >
> : > : > I don't think she has ever put gas in the car, taken the car for
> : > : > maintenance or repairs. She has never assembled things nor has
> she
> : > : > tried. It is just a given that my dad will do these things for
> her.
> : > : >
> : > : > We'll see. Looks like we are not in for a good time though.
> : >
> : > : Well, it could be difficult but surely they expected there would
> come a
> : > : day?...
> : >
> : > Given this scenario , with your Mom, not likely to suddently start
> doing
> : > all these things. Is there a senior living place in the area, the
> kind
> : > where you live in an apartment and get meals and once a week cleaning
> and
> : > linen change? This migh tbe what they will have to think of, even if
> your
> : > father regains some mobility, etc. It is a big change and will,
> probably
> : > necessitate their selling their house in this bad markt or, at least
> : > renting it. Don't jump and say"never" r "they won't" etc. these
> kinds of
> : > things do become a reality after a shileunless one of you is prepared
> to
> : > have them move in with them, which can be EXTREMELY difficult.
>
> : There is one near us and they have refused to go. My mom said they can
> : never move out of their house. She isn't being reasonable on many
> fronts.
> : OTOH it is highly unlikely that their house would sell. They have 1
> 11/2
> : baths and the realtor said people do not want this. Now they want 2
> full
> : baths.
>
> : Their house is paid off. So they only pay the taxes. There is no way
> they
> : could afford rent unless they could sell the house.
>
> What I said ws they could rent the house (out to someone), thus havig
> monthly income for whatever.


They would never rent a house again. They did that once. When we moved out
here, our house in Wichita hadn't sold. They lost soooo much money on those
renters.

There are two other houses on their street that have been rentals. One was
really, really trashed. The owner had made it into a place for college
students to stay. He didn't have any problems renting out the rooms because
they are close to the community college. But the woman who was in charge of
things was apparently a hoarder. She had even gone so far as to build some
kind of covered thing in the backyard to store stuff. We watched in horror
as all this crap came out on the lawn. There were even kid's ride on toys
and no kids had ever lived there. He had to spend a fortune to get the
house livable again.

The house next door to theirs has been being rented for years because nobody
wants to buy it. Nobody stays there for long. Often they are there for
just 2 or 3 months then they pack up and move. He is certainly not making
any money at all. The size of house they have rents for about $2,000 a
month and in this economy, people can't afford to pay it. And each time
someone moves out there are some kind of damages that have to be dealt with.
He did recently put a bathroom in the basement in the hopes to make it more
livable.

Their house is also very prone to flooding and for that reason alone I don't
think they would want to rent it. I think they would be liable if it did
flood. And they have a sump pump that needs to be dealt with every few
months. I don't know the particulars. But I am pretty sure it is something
a renter wouldn't deal with.




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> and find a different realtor, lots of houses still have only one full
> bath, trust me i have been doing a LOT of looking at houses/plans...


Not here they don't. Some have 2 1/2 or 3 1/2 and some have only one. But
few have 1 1/2. Even my friend's post war house has two full baths. My
brother bought his house in the 80's and it has 2 1/2. That has been pretty
standard here in all new housing for quite a while.

My parents did look into adding another 1/2 bath in their basement but
decided against it because it was going to cost $10,000. And that was a
long time ago.

Most people here who do not have 2 full baths do a remodel at some point and
put in at least another 1 3/4 bath.


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> Tiger Lily > wrote:
> : On 9/4/2011 3:23 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> : > > wrote in message
> : > ...
> : >>
> : >>
> : >> "Julie > wrote in message
> : >> ...
> : >>>
> : >>> > wrote in message
> : >>> ...
> : >>>> i hope he recovers quickly, Lee
> : >>>
> : >>> Thanks! I hope he gets well enough to drive because my mom can't do
> it.
> : >>> I don't really fancy having to drive them everywhere. When we moved
> back
> : >>> here we did try to buy a house in their city but we just couldn't
> afford
> : >>> it. Actually the house next door to them was for sale. I did live in
> it
> : >>> once. But it has stairs and that is no good for me. So we didn't
> consider
> : >>> it.
> : >>>
> : >>> We live far enough away from them now that it is a pain to have to
> keep
> : >>> going out there. My brother and SIL do live near them but her
> parents
> : >>> are both in really bad shape and they have been doing a lot to help
> with
> : >>> them.
> : >>
> : >> Well there is still time to think about and discuss amongst
> yourselves
> : >> worst case scenarios. I think if he ever drives again it might be a
> long
> : >> time coming. But people adapt to that. My grandparents had to when it
> was
> : >> no longer safe for my grandfather to drive (not that he was ever
> safe, but
> : >> that's another story!) Once things have settled down I think it quite
> fair
> : >> to say take your mum shopping for food every so often, pay bills
> whatever
> : >> but not be expected to be on call as such. I actually think it was
> better
> : >> you aren't living close by given they are a "bit" difficult. I think
> most
> : >> aging people know there will come a time when life changes for them.
> : >
> : > My mom doesn't shop for food. And that's a problem. What little food
> they
> : > do keep in the house is stuff that my dad buys. Mostly they go out to
> eat.
> : > And if they don't do that he gets some sort of fast food. I don't
> think
> : > there is any need to go out to pay bills. I have tried to get them to
> do
> : > this online but they just refuse to do it that way.
> : >
> : > Mostly if they are not going out to eat they are going to the casino
> in
> : > another city, to the Dr. (they have a lot of appointments between the
> two of
> : > them) and to the massage therapist weekly. They also have a maid who
> comes
> : > once a week and they refuse to be home when she is there. They also
> go to
> : > the movies a lot too. I honestly don't know how they afford it. We
> go to
> : > the movies once a month, mainly because they want to go. We can't
> really
> : > afford to go much more often than that. And we sure can't dine out as
> often
> : > as they do!
> : >
> : > I think all of their prescriptions come by mail. Not sure about the
> : > insulin. They have my dad on some other kind with meals for now. His
> BG
> : > was high when they admitted him but it was good before dinner tonight.
> : >
> : > The biggest problem is that my mom doesn't do a lot of things for
> herself.
> : > She just expects my dad to do these things for her. Or my brother.
> Or my
> : > nephew. And she pays him to do things for her. Once in a while she
> will
> : > ask me to do something for her. But I have the mindset that I will
> show you
> : > once, or maybe even twice how to do something and then you'd better be
> able
> : > to do it yourself! Now sure I do make exceptions. Like I know she is
> going
> : > blind so if it's a matter of having to be able to read or see
> something, I
> : > know she isn't capable. But there are things that to me are simple
> things
> : > and she refuses to learn how to do them. Like ordering stuff online.
> She
> : > has my dad do it for her. She did have me do it once but then she
> freaked
> : > when she found out how much the item cost! I had ordered this item
> for her
> : > before and I thought she knew that it was expensive but I think her
> memory
> : > is really going. She got very upset with me for ordering it. So I am
> : > really torn on this. And other things involving the computer that to
> me are
> : > easy to fix. She normally relies on my brother to do computer things
> : > because he is a programmer.
> : >
> : > I don't think she has ever put gas in the car, taken the car for
> maintenance
> : > or repairs. She has never assembled things nor has she tried. It is
> just a
> : > given that my dad will do these things for her.
> : >
> : > We'll see. Looks like we are not in for a good time though.
> : >
> : >
> : The is an elderly couple who take a taxi to/from the restaurant every
> : day for their dinner. Dinner is 4:30 pm for them and they take home 1/2
> : the senior's portion they just ate. The lady indicates that a soft
> : boiled egg, toast and coffee is their morning meal; the left overs are
> : their mid day meal; dinner ensures they have at least lunch at home the
> : next day.
>
> : i didn't define elderly
> : he's 102 and she's 97
>
> : kate
>
> Do they have a senior feeding program either like senior lunches for a
> small fee or meals on wheels whic bring a prepared meal to the house 5 das
> a week? The other meals woul only entail light shopping that your mother
> could learn to do or that one of you could send over or oder from the
> computer.


Not that I know of but I am pretty sure neither of them would eat that sort
of thing. They are both really picky eaters and they don't like to eat at
home. There is a Greek place and an Italian place that deliver. They do
get food from them once in a while. But they are not cheap and not really
what they should be eating. Too many carbs.


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amazing, i have looked at house plans all over the us, contractors, modular
homes and so on... even some subdivision plans, all have additional
bathrooms in different configurations as options, from the standard one
bathroom then add a half bath on up, even saw a few that had one full bath
central to the bedrooms and three different half baths, one in master
bedroom, one off livingroom and one between two other bedrooms, now that one
was kinda weird, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
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>> and find a different realtor, lots of houses still have only one full
>> bath, trust me i have been doing a LOT of looking at houses/plans...

>
> Not here they don't. Some have 2 1/2 or 3 1/2 and some have only one.
> But few have 1 1/2. Even my friend's post war house has two full baths.
> My brother bought his house in the 80's and it has 2 1/2. That has been
> pretty standard here in all new housing for quite a while.
>
> My parents did look into adding another 1/2 bath in their basement but
> decided against it because it was going to cost $10,000. And that was a
> long time ago.
>
> Most people here who do not have 2 full baths do a remodel at some point
> and put in at least another 1 3/4 bath.
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> amazing, i have looked at house plans all over the us, contractors,
> modular homes and so on... even some subdivision plans, all have
> additional bathrooms in different configurations as options, from the
> standard one bathroom then add a half bath on up, even saw a few that had
> one full bath central to the bedrooms and three different half baths, one
> in master bedroom, one off livingroom and one between two other bedrooms,
> now that one was kinda weird, Lee


The new houses they are building here (and they are going up right and left)
are all very similar in design. The realtor called them cookie cutter
houses because they all look alike, except in some cases for the color. All
very close together. Little to no yard. And very tall. Several flights of
stairs. We didn't look at those because I can't do stairs. But from the
listings I have seen most have 3 full baths. Some have 2. Most are selling
for around $500,000.00. I don't know how people can afford that.

They've also done away with basements which used to be a very common thing.
I was told that they only put them in now if the house is being built on a
hill. Otherwise it is too expensive to put in.

My husband refused to look at any places that didn't have two full baths.
He doesn't like all of the girly products that Angela and I use. He only
wants to see soap, a razor, a toothbrush and toothpaste in the bathroom. So
he really needs his own.


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whoever told you that basements were too expensive has no idea what they are
talking about, the basmement is some of the cheapest living space
available, most try to get you to do the basement and second story because
its so much cheaper than all on one level, ... 500k for somewhere to live is
insane...

It is my firm conviction that a two bathroom household is the main cause for
keeping divorce rates below about the 99 percent rate... mine gets the seat
down, i never assume anything if i use his... mine is cleaned weekly, he
does his when he feels like, or one of us does it if we hare having
guests... he can sit in there all day and read a mitchner novel, since i can
go when i want...

Lee
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>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
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>> amazing, i have looked at house plans all over the us, contractors,
>> modular homes and so on... even some subdivision plans, all have
>> additional bathrooms in different configurations as options, from the
>> standard one bathroom then add a half bath on up, even saw a few that
>> had one full bath central to the bedrooms and three different half baths,
>> one in master bedroom, one off livingroom and one between two other
>> bedrooms, now that one was kinda weird, Lee

>
> The new houses they are building here (and they are going up right and
> left) are all very similar in design. The realtor called them cookie
> cutter houses because they all look alike, except in some cases for the
> color. All very close together. Little to no yard. And very tall.
> Several flights of stairs. We didn't look at those because I can't do
> stairs. But from the listings I have seen most have 3 full baths. Some
> have 2. Most are selling for around $500,000.00. I don't know how
> people can afford that.
>
> They've also done away with basements which used to be a very common
> thing. I was told that they only put them in now if the house is being
> built on a hill. Otherwise it is too expensive to put in.
>
> My husband refused to look at any places that didn't have two full baths.
> He doesn't like all of the girly products that Angela and I use. He only
> wants to see soap, a razor, a toothbrush and toothpaste in the bathroom.
> So he really needs his own.
>





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> whoever told you that basements were too expensive has no idea what they
> are talking about, the basmement is some of the cheapest living space
> available, most try to get you to do the basement and second story because
> its so much cheaper than all on one level, ... 500k for somewhere to live
> is insane...
>
> It is my firm conviction that a two bathroom household is the main cause
> for keeping divorce rates below about the 99 percent rate... mine gets the
> seat down, i never assume anything if i use his... mine is cleaned weekly,
> he does his when he feels like, or one of us does it if we hare having
> guests... he can sit in there all day and read a mitchner novel, since i
> can go when i want...


I think that depends on the type of soil you have. Here if you dig out a
basement you have to do a lot of rock removal. And often very big rocks.
You also have to put in a lot of drainage things and perhaps a sump pump
because of the flooding issues.


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thats almost everywhere for the rock/pumps, unless you have the misfortune
to be digging in clay, like i said, i have been investigating all manner of
housing and there are just some things tht are common in almost evry
market... our house would have been about a third less had we opted for a
basement, and put the bedrooms upstairs, but i am havoing non of either, Lee
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>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
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>> whoever told you that basements were too expensive has no idea what they
>> are talking about, the basmement is some of the cheapest living space
>> available, most try to get you to do the basement and second story
>> because its so much cheaper than all on one level, ... 500k for somewhere
>> to live is insane...
>>
>> It is my firm conviction that a two bathroom household is the main cause
>> for keeping divorce rates below about the 99 percent rate... mine gets
>> the seat down, i never assume anything if i use his... mine is cleaned
>> weekly, he does his when he feels like, or one of us does it if we hare
>> having guests... he can sit in there all day and read a mitchner novel,
>> since i can go when i want...

>
> I think that depends on the type of soil you have. Here if you dig out a
> basement you have to do a lot of rock removal. And often very big rocks.
> You also have to put in a lot of drainage things and perhaps a sump pump
> because of the flooding issues.
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> thats almost everywhere for the rock/pumps, unless you have the misfortune
> to be digging in clay, like i said, i have been investigating all manner
> of housing and there are just some things tht are common in almost evry
> market... our house would have been about a third less had we opted for a
> basement, and put the bedrooms upstairs, but i am havoing non of either,
> Lee


Hmmm... I don't know then. We were told that is why they generally don't
build them that way any more in this area.


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seems like they had something they wanted to sell you, or it was a builder
that had supplies to use, that occurs a lot here with subdivision
builders,... also the only thing that really determines what sells/makes
costs go up are things like earthquakes or flood issues... one thing that
most of the builders kept trying to sell us was the "tornado/storm" safe
room/location... only xxx estra/ and to date i have never been in a home
that has one... most people do have a basement here. so that is what they
use. Lee
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> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
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>> thats almost everywhere for the rock/pumps, unless you have the
>> misfortune to be digging in clay, like i said, i have been investigating
>> all manner of housing and there are just some things tht are common in
>> almost evry market... our house would have been about a third less had we
>> opted for a basement, and put the bedrooms upstairs, but i am havoing non
>> of either, Lee

>
> Hmmm... I don't know then. We were told that is why they generally don't
> build them that way any more in this area.
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"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
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> seems like they had something they wanted to sell you, or it was a builder
> that had supplies to use, that occurs a lot here with subdivision
> builders,... also the only thing that really determines what sells/makes
> costs go up are things like earthquakes or flood issues... one thing that
> most of the builders kept trying to sell us was the "tornado/storm" safe
> room/location... only xxx estra/ and to date i have never been in a home
> that has one... most people do have a basement here. so that is what they
> use. Lee


I don't know. I did just look it up online and it said at many sites that
basements aren't cost effective.




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interesting, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> seems like they had something they wanted to sell you, or it was a
>> builder that had supplies to use, that occurs a lot here with subdivision
>> builders,... also the only thing that really determines what sells/makes
>> costs go up are things like earthquakes or flood issues... one thing that
>> most of the builders kept trying to sell us was the "tornado/storm" safe
>> room/location... only xxx estra/ and to date i have never been in a home
>> that has one... most people do have a basement here. so that is what
>> they use. Lee

>
> I don't know. I did just look it up online and it said at many sites that
> basements aren't cost effective.
>



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On 9/4/2011 6:22 PM, W. Baker wrote:
> Tiger > wrote:


> : The is an elderly couple who take a taxi to/from the restaurant every
> : day for their dinner. Dinner is 4:30 pm for them and they take home 1/2
> : the senior's portion they just ate. The lady indicates that a soft
> : boiled egg, toast and coffee is their morning meal; the left overs are
> : their mid day meal; dinner ensures they have at least lunch at home the
> : next day.
>
> : i didn't define elderly
> : he's 102 and she's 97
>
> : kate
>
> Do they have a senior feeding program either like senior lunches for a
> small fee or meals on wheels whic bring a prepared meal to the house 5 das
> a week? The other meals woul only entail light shopping that your mother
> could learn to do or that one of you could send over or oder from the
> computer.
>
> Wendy


Wendy, Meals on Wheels provides this service to the elderly. I don't
know about the remote area that Julie's parents live in. I know some
restaurants make your choice from 10 items, prepared in advance, frozen
and you only need to reheat them. These would be more upscale meals and
typically are a touch more appealing than the meals on wheels options.

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On 9/4/2011 11:52 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
> amazing, i have looked at house plans all over the us, contractors, modular
> homes and so on... even some subdivision plans, all have additional
> bathrooms in different configurations as options, from the standard one
> bathroom then add a half bath on up, even saw a few that had one full bath
> central to the bedrooms and three different half baths, one in master
> bedroom, one off livingroom and one between two other bedrooms, now that one
> was kinda weird, Lee


the bath between 2 bedrooms (especially if they are the children's
bedrooms) is very handy

the homes i see this in typically have an ensuite in the master bedroom
and a 1/2 bath in an area closer to the living/dining areas

i know of 2 folks sharing a house, and one uses the bed/bath/bed as a
bed/bath/closet & sewing room

unfortunately, from the sounds of it, i live in an early 1950's bungalow
with a lone bathroom that we share on the main level (spare one
downstairs for those 'emergencies' that come up) LOL (teenlet knows i
get the upstairs one if we are both heading there at the same time LOL)

kate
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> On 9/4/2011 6:22 PM, W. Baker wrote:
>> Tiger > wrote:

>
>> : The is an elderly couple who take a taxi to/from the restaurant every
>> : day for their dinner. Dinner is 4:30 pm for them and they take home
>> 1/2
>> : the senior's portion they just ate. The lady indicates that a soft
>> : boiled egg, toast and coffee is their morning meal; the left overs are
>> : their mid day meal; dinner ensures they have at least lunch at home the
>> : next day.
>>
>> : i didn't define elderly
>> : he's 102 and she's 97
>>
>> : kate
>>
>> Do they have a senior feeding program either like senior lunches for a
>> small fee or meals on wheels whic bring a prepared meal to the house 5
>> das
>> a week? The other meals woul only entail light shopping that your mother
>> could learn to do or that one of you could send over or oder from the
>> computer.
>>
>> Wendy

>
> Wendy, Meals on Wheels provides this service to the elderly. I don't know
> about the remote area that Julie's parents live in. I know some
> restaurants make your choice from 10 items, prepared in advance, frozen
> and you only need to reheat them. These would be more upscale meals and
> typically are a touch more appealing than the meals on wheels options.


I know that is available in Seattle. Don't know about where they live. But
I know they would never eat that. Between all their dietary issues and
pickiness it would never work.


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Tiger Lily > wrote:
: On 9/4/2011 6:22 PM, W. Baker wrote:
: > Tiger > wrote:

: > : The is an elderly couple who take a taxi to/from the restaurant every
: > : day for their dinner. Dinner is 4:30 pm for them and they take home 1/2
: > : the senior's portion they just ate. The lady indicates that a soft
: > : boiled egg, toast and coffee is their morning meal; the left overs are
: > : their mid day meal; dinner ensures they have at least lunch at home the
: > : next day.
: >
: > : i didn't define elderly
: > : he's 102 and she's 97
: >
: > : kate
: >
: > Do they have a senior feeding program either like senior lunches for a
: > small fee or meals on wheels whic bring a prepared meal to the house 5 das
: > a week? The other meals woul only entail light shopping that your mother
: > could learn to do or that one of you could send over or oder from the
: > computer.
: >
: > Wendy

: Wendy, Meals on Wheels provides this service to the elderly. I don't
: know about the remote area that Julie's parents live in. I know some
: restaurants make your choice from 10 items, prepared in advance, frozen
: and you only need to reheat them. These would be more upscale meals and
: typically are a touch more appealing than the meals on wheels options.

: kate

In the very rural Margateville area there is a senior feeding program at
the local Methodist church(not church run, but gov't run) it has a luch
program for those who can travel or be bussed there and home delivered
meals for those who are homebound. Menus issues monthly-no choice, but
very inexpensive and standard institutional nutritions. Many of the town
have a similar program in Delaware county. Judging from the number of
food stores that Julie seems to have available at less than 50 miles away,
I would say that her area is far less rural than Delaware County.

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In article >, "W. Baker" >
wrote:

> In the very rural Margateville area there is a senior feeding program at
> the local Methodist church(not church run, but gov't run) it has a luch
> program for those who can travel or be bussed there and home delivered
> meals for those who are homebound. Menus issues monthly-no choice, but
> very inexpensive and standard institutional nutritions. Many of the town
> have a similar program in Delaware county. Judging from the number of
> food stores that Julie seems to have available at less than 50 miles away,
> I would say that her area is far less rural than Delaware County.


doesn't really matter. Julie is convinced there is no solution except the
continuing subjection of her and her kin to this situation. no matter what ideas
or solutions you offer, she will find some way to criticize it.

please don't try to deprive her of her angst
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> i would never be comfortable spending that kind of money on something
> that just keeps you dry... truth be told there are some here much more
> than that, but i have never been interested in more than dry and
> having hygene needs met, i would rather spend money on other things,
> nothing wrong with having that much house if that is your focus, just
> insane to me... i can do a lot of travelling for that kind of cash...
> housing really is ymmv, Lee


I agree, housing is like a car to me. The car to get from A to B, the
house to be comfortable. My current house is a bit below par but
certainly liveable. The house next door which is similar is up for sale
for $379,000. Everywhere I have lived in the past 12 years has been an
area where $500,000+ is the norm.

I divorced my first husband in 1986 and about 5-6 years ago he sold our
home for 1.2 million. 3 bedroom full brick, Federation home, master
built by his grandfather but needing work. It was on 3/4 of an acre in
Sydney suburbia so that's what shot the price up. 1 bathroom with a
toilet in the bathroom and one toilet outside.

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> On 9/4/2011 6:22 PM, W. Baker wrote:
>> Tiger > wrote:

>
>> : The is an elderly couple who take a taxi to/from the restaurant
>> every
>> : day for their dinner. Dinner is 4:30 pm for them and they take
>> home 1/2
>> : the senior's portion they just ate. The lady indicates that a soft
>> : boiled egg, toast and coffee is their morning meal; the left overs
>> are
>> : their mid day meal; dinner ensures they have at least lunch at home
>> the
>> : next day.
>>
>> : i didn't define elderly
>> : he's 102 and she's 97
>>
>> : kate
>>
>> Do they have a senior feeding program either like senior lunches for
>> a
>> small fee or meals on wheels whic bring a prepared meal to the house
>> 5 das
>> a week? The other meals woul only entail light shopping that your
>> mother
>> could learn to do or that one of you could send over or oder from the
>> computer.
>>
>> Wendy

>
> Wendy, Meals on Wheels provides this service to the elderly. I don't
> know about the remote area that Julie's parents live in. I know some
> restaurants make your choice from 10 items, prepared in advance,
> frozen and you only need to reheat them. These would be more upscale
> meals and typically are a touch more appealing than the meals on
> wheels options.


There are some really nice frozen meals delivered to the door and they
would be cheaper than restaurant meals too. My aunt was laid up with a
broken leg for a while and she is an avid cook, never makes a thing out
of a packet. I have loved going to her house all my life Anyway she
had to get some frozen meals in (they weren't the diet plan type). A
small independent company that made realistic meals, not a thin slice of
meat, 3 peas and a tablespoon of rice and 90% of the weight of the meal
as a sauce, lol).


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> "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
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>> On 9/4/2011 6:22 PM, W. Baker wrote:
>>> Tiger > wrote:

>>
>>> : The is an elderly couple who take a taxi to/from the restaurant
>>> every
>>> : day for their dinner. Dinner is 4:30 pm for them and they take
>>> home 1/2
>>> : the senior's portion they just ate. The lady indicates that a
>>> soft
>>> : boiled egg, toast and coffee is their morning meal; the left overs
>>> are
>>> : their mid day meal; dinner ensures they have at least lunch at
>>> home the
>>> : next day.
>>>
>>> : i didn't define elderly
>>> : he's 102 and she's 97
>>>
>>> : kate
>>>
>>> Do they have a senior feeding program either like senior lunches
>>> for a
>>> small fee or meals on wheels whic bring a prepared meal to the house
>>> 5 das
>>> a week? The other meals woul only entail light shopping that your
>>> mother
>>> could learn to do or that one of you could send over or oder from
>>> the
>>> computer.
>>>
>>> Wendy

>>
>> Wendy, Meals on Wheels provides this service to the elderly. I don't
>> know about the remote area that Julie's parents live in. I know some
>> restaurants make your choice from 10 items, prepared in advance,
>> frozen and you only need to reheat them. These would be more upscale
>> meals and typically are a touch more appealing than the meals on
>> wheels options.

>
> I know that is available in Seattle. Don't know about where they
> live. But I know they would never eat that. Between all their
> dietary issues and pickiness it would never work.


Its amazing what people will do when there aren't other options though.
The time has now come where they have to rethink their whole lifestyle.
Its too late to say they should have thought these things out a long
time ago though. I used to care for a man who had a stroke, his wife is
a well known author. They lived not all that far from me but on acres in
this wonderful valley. The wife couldn't look after him and write as
well so she got a nursing service in to do all his personal needs stuff
twice a day. She also hired a woman who came in and cooked fabulous
meals a few times a week. They didn't need to be frozen as she was there
often enough. She would also do a bit of basic housework as well. It
worked for them. I have tried online shopping a couple of times, didn't
like it as much as going to the supermarket myself but that is workable.
You could order for them if they choose that path.

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a comparision to a car is a good one, and if i can get in and get there it
works for me, a couple of cars back we decided to pay cash, after a couple
of brand new we determined that used was fine... so now we pay cash, buy a
reasonable transport and have lots of money to take it around to places we
want to see and things we want to do... Lee
"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
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> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
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>> i would never be comfortable spending that kind of money on something
>> that just keeps you dry... truth be told there are some here much more
>> than that, but i have never been interested in more than dry and having
>> hygene needs met, i would rather spend money on other things, nothing
>> wrong with having that much house if that is your focus, just insane to
>> me... i can do a lot of travelling for that kind of cash... housing
>> really is ymmv, Lee

>
> I agree, housing is like a car to me. The car to get from A to B, the
> house to be comfortable. My current house is a bit below par but certainly
> liveable. The house next door which is similar is up for sale for
> $379,000. Everywhere I have lived in the past 12 years has been an area
> where $500,000+ is the norm.
>
> I divorced my first husband in 1986 and about 5-6 years ago he sold our
> home for 1.2 million. 3 bedroom full brick, Federation home, master built
> by his grandfather but needing work. It was on 3/4 of an acre in Sydney
> suburbia so that's what shot the price up. 1 bathroom with a toilet in the
> bathroom and one toilet outside.



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