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Went to visit Scott this morning. They finally moved him out of ICU to a
regular room late yesterday. This morning they removed one of his chest
tubes and the catheter but he's still hooked to a heart monitor. He's
feeling better, although weak.

He was given a choice of food to have for lunch. He selected a Cobb salad
with a cup of Minestrone. They brought his lunch while I was there.

I'm not a salad fan but he is. It looked pretty good, as far as salads go
Just in case you don't know what goes into a Cobb salad, which
originated at The Brown Derby in Hollywood, CA, the ingredients from the
original a Mixed greens, chicken breast, chopped tomatoes, crisp
crumbled bacon, sliced hard cooked eggs, avocado slices, crumbled roquefort
cheese, chives and (a special Brown Derby) vinaigrette dressing.

Being a hospital, they substituted thinly sliced turkey breast for the
chicken and brought him low-fat Italian dressing rather than a traditional
vinaigrette. And they didn't put avocado on it. (They added sliced black
olives, which I gather is something a lot of places/people do these days.)
He doesn't like blue cheeses so he skipped over the roquefort. The
Minestrone probably came out of an industrial-sized can, but he enjoyed it.
He also got a cup of Peach Crisp for dessert.

He has a few complaints about the hospital food. For breakfast they cook
the scrambled eggs until they are so dry they are practically rubber and the
home-fried potatoes are dry and unseasoned. (They didn't mess up the
bacon!) He told me he'd welcome a small box of cereal, such as Cornflakes
or Cheerios, and some milk instead.

The Cobb salad was huge. I suppose that's fine if you're healthy and
ordering one for lunch or dinner in a restaurant. For someone recuperating
from radical surgery, he said it's just too much.... expecially given the
meal schedule in this particular hospital. Breakfast between 8-8:30am,
lunch at 11:30, dinner at 4:30pm. Maybe some people are ready to eat again
that soon after each meal. He's not. I wouldn't be, either.

At any rate, he'll probably be released tomorrow afternoon. They could
extend it to Wednesday. He doesn't know yet. I'll be there to drive him
home and help him out for a few days afterwards. The doctor indicated he'd
need full-time assistance for at least 2-3 days. I'll only need to run home
to provide my pets with a little care. No word yet about chemo or radiation
therapies.

Jill


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> He has a few complaints about the hospital food. For breakfast they
> cook the scrambled eggs until they are so dry they are practically
> rubber and the home-fried potatoes are dry and unseasoned. (They didn't
> mess up the bacon!)



He just described the Court Diner in town. It's not that they cook it so dry,
rather it might take an hour to get from the kitchen to the table. The
waitresses do the 1/2 foot shuffle. That's justice for ya... <G>

Best to you and Scott!!!

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jmcquown wrote:
> Went to visit Scott this morning. They finally moved him out of ICU to a
> regular room late yesterday. This morning they removed one of his chest
> tubes and the catheter but he's still hooked to a heart monitor. He's
> feeling better, although weak.
>
> He was given a choice of food to have for lunch. He selected a Cobb salad
> with a cup of Minestrone. They brought his lunch while I was there.
>
> I'm not a salad fan but he is. It looked pretty good, as far as salads go
> Just in case you don't know what goes into a Cobb salad, which
> originated at The Brown Derby in Hollywood, CA, the ingredients from the
> original a Mixed greens, chicken breast, chopped tomatoes, crisp
> crumbled bacon, sliced hard cooked eggs, avocado slices, crumbled roquefort
> cheese, chives and (a special Brown Derby) vinaigrette dressing.
>
> Being a hospital, they substituted thinly sliced turkey breast for the
> chicken and brought him low-fat Italian dressing rather than a traditional
> vinaigrette. And they didn't put avocado on it. (They added sliced black
> olives, which I gather is something a lot of places/people do these days.)
> He doesn't like blue cheeses so he skipped over the roquefort. The
> Minestrone probably came out of an industrial-sized can, but he enjoyed it.
> He also got a cup of Peach Crisp for dessert.
>
> He has a few complaints about the hospital food. For breakfast they cook
> the scrambled eggs until they are so dry they are practically rubber and the
> home-fried potatoes are dry and unseasoned. (They didn't mess up the
> bacon!) He told me he'd welcome a small box of cereal, such as Cornflakes
> or Cheerios, and some milk instead.
>
> The Cobb salad was huge. I suppose that's fine if you're healthy and
> ordering one for lunch or dinner in a restaurant. For someone recuperating
> from radical surgery, he said it's just too much.... expecially given the
> meal schedule in this particular hospital. Breakfast between 8-8:30am,
> lunch at 11:30, dinner at 4:30pm. Maybe some people are ready to eat again
> that soon after each meal. He's not. I wouldn't be, either.
>
> At any rate, he'll probably be released tomorrow afternoon. They could
> extend it to Wednesday. He doesn't know yet. I'll be there to drive him
> home and help him out for a few days afterwards. The doctor indicated he'd
> need full-time assistance for at least 2-3 days. I'll only need to run home
> to provide my pets with a little care. No word yet about chemo or radiation
> therapies.
>
> Jill
>
>


Narcissism?
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> jmcquown wrote:
>> Went to visit Scott this morning. They finally moved him out of ICU to a
>> regular room late yesterday. This morning they removed one of his chest
>> tubes and the catheter but he's still hooked to a heart monitor. He's
>> feeling better, although weak.
>>
>> He was given a choice of food to have for lunch. He selected a Cobb
>> salad
>> with a cup of Minestrone. They brought his lunch while I was there.
>>
>> I'm not a salad fan but he is. It looked pretty good, as far as salads
>> go
>> Just in case you don't know what goes into a Cobb salad, which
>> originated at The Brown Derby in Hollywood, CA, the ingredients from the
>> original a Mixed greens, chicken breast, chopped tomatoes, crisp
>> crumbled bacon, sliced hard cooked eggs, avocado slices, crumbled
>> roquefort
>> cheese, chives and (a special Brown Derby) vinaigrette dressing.
>>
>> Being a hospital, they substituted thinly sliced turkey breast for the
>> chicken and brought him low-fat Italian dressing rather than a
>> traditional
>> vinaigrette. And they didn't put avocado on it. (They added sliced
>> black
>> olives, which I gather is something a lot of places/people do these
>> days.)
>> He doesn't like blue cheeses so he skipped over the roquefort. The
>> Minestrone probably came out of an industrial-sized can, but he enjoyed
>> it.
>> He also got a cup of Peach Crisp for dessert.
>>
>> He has a few complaints about the hospital food. For breakfast they cook
>> the scrambled eggs until they are so dry they are practically rubber and
>> the
>> home-fried potatoes are dry and unseasoned. (They didn't mess up the
>> bacon!) He told me he'd welcome a small box of cereal, such as
>> Cornflakes
>> or Cheerios, and some milk instead.
>>
>> The Cobb salad was huge. I suppose that's fine if you're healthy and
>> ordering one for lunch or dinner in a restaurant. For someone
>> recuperating
>> from radical surgery, he said it's just too much.... expecially given the
>> meal schedule in this particular hospital. Breakfast between 8-8:30am,
>> lunch at 11:30, dinner at 4:30pm. Maybe some people are ready to eat
>> again
>> that soon after each meal. He's not. I wouldn't be, either.
>>
>> At any rate, he'll probably be released tomorrow afternoon. They could
>> extend it to Wednesday. He doesn't know yet. I'll be there to drive him
>> home and help him out for a few days afterwards. The doctor indicated
>> he'd
>> need full-time assistance for at least 2-3 days. I'll only need to run
>> home
>> to provide my pets with a little care. No word yet about chemo or
>> radiation
>> therapies.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>>

>
> Narcissism?


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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
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> Went to visit Scott this morning. They finally moved him out of ICU to a
> regular room late yesterday. (Clipped Here & There)>
> He was given a choice of food to have for lunch. He selected a Cobb salad
> with a cup of Minestrone. They brought his lunch while I was there.
>
> He has a few complaints about the hospital food. For breakfast they cook
> the scrambled eggs until they are so dry they are practically rubber and
> the
> home-fried potatoes are dry and unseasoned. (They didn't mess up the
> bacon!) He told me he'd welcome a small box of cereal, such as Cornflakes
> or Cheerios, and some milk instead.
>
>
> Jill
>
>

Ol'Whiskerface has an appointment at 5:30 tomorrow morning in pre-op for
much the same surgery. We figgered we'd just stay up and party all night.
Forthcoming - military hospital Bed Spread Report.
Best of luck for Scott's recovery. They got any physical therapy planned
for him? We told our docs he needed to be strong enough to get back on the
Harley....
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> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
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>> Went to visit Scott this morning. They finally moved him out of ICU
>> to a regular room late yesterday. (Clipped Here & There)>
>> He was given a choice of food to have for lunch. He selected a Cobb
>> salad with a cup of Minestrone. They brought his lunch while I was
>> there.
>>
>> He has a few complaints about the hospital food. For breakfast they
>> cook the scrambled eggs until they are so dry they are practically
>> rubber and the
>> home-fried potatoes are dry and unseasoned. (They didn't mess up the
>> bacon!) He told me he'd welcome a small box of cereal, such as
>> Cornflakes or Cheerios, and some milk instead.
>>
>>
>> Jill
>>
>>

> Ol'Whiskerface has an appointment at 5:30 tomorrow morning in
> pre-op for much the same surgery. We figgered we'd just stay up and
> party all night. Forthcoming - military hospital Bed Spread Report.
> Best of luck for Scott's recovery. They got any physical therapy
> planned for him? We told our docs he needed to be strong enough to
> get back on the Harley....
> Edrena


Thanks, Edrena. The PT guy came by to see him this afternoon. So far the
prescribed therapy is walking. Lots of it. Seeing as how he nearly fell
over (with assistance) trying to get to the bathroom and back to his
hospital bed (and trying to put on his boxer shorts so he wouldn't just be
in the hospital gown), this should be quite interesting.

I like the term "Bed Spread"

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> The Joneses wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Went to visit Scott this morning. They finally moved him out of ICU
>>> to a regular room late yesterday. (Clipped Here & There)>
>>> He was given a choice of food to have for lunch. He selected a Cobb
>>> salad with a cup of Minestrone. They brought his lunch while I was
>>> there.
>>>
>>> He has a few complaints about the hospital food.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>>>

Forthcoming - military hospital Bed Spread Report.
>> Edrena

>
> Thanks, Edrena. The PT guy came by to see him this afternoon. So far the
> prescribed therapy is walking. Lots of it. Seeing as how he nearly fell
> over (with assistance) trying to get to the bathroom and back to his
> hospital bed (and trying to put on his boxer shorts so he wouldn't just be
> in the hospital gown), this should be quite interesting.
>
> I like the term "Bed Spread"
>
> Jill
>

The last time he was in I knew he'd been fasting o'nite before a test. I, of
course, brought his favorite apple fritters, deep fried & coated in sugar
varnish, about a half pound. And a pint of strong coffee. The subsequent
blood sugar test (I had to show the medic how to do it) was a trifle high -
clear up to 135. When they attempted to give him insulin (he's not a
diabetic) I hit the roof. No more leaving people alone in the hospital.
Hardly ever anyway. I got to shower sometime.
I'm a nervous wreck.
OB food - found a new sort of tortilla wrap at Whole Foods subsidiary, high
protein (13 g per tort!), lower carb (12g?), low fat. Very tasty and pliable
as well:
name of Tofuyan or something similar. Very tasty indeed. We had leftover
chicken simmered with a bit of cumin & chipotle, homemade Spanish rice made
with leftover stuff & pico de gallo, lots of veggies, and some new sprouts.
I didn't tell him the sour cream was tofu sour cream. Not bad. Not the real
deal, but not half as much fat, and not bad at all, at all.
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> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
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>> The Joneses wrote:
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Went to visit Scott this morning. They finally moved him out of
>>>> ICU to a regular room late yesterday. (Clipped Here & There)>
>>>> He was given a choice of food to have for lunch. He selected a
>>>> Cobb salad with a cup of Minestrone.
>>>>

> Forthcoming - military hospital Bed Spread Report.
>>> Edrena

>>
>> Thanks, Edrena. The PT guy came by to see him this afternoon. So
>> far the prescribed therapy is walking. Lots of it.
>>
>> I like the term "Bed Spread"
>>

> The last time he was in I knew he'd been fasting o'nite before a
> test. I, of course, brought his favorite apple fritters, deep fried &
> coated in sugar varnish, about a half pound. And a pint of strong
> coffee. The subsequent blood sugar test (I had to show the medic how
> to do it) was a trifle high - clear up to 135. When they attempted to
> give him insulin (he's not a diabetic) I hit the roof. No more
> leaving people alone in the hospital. Hardly ever anyway. I got to
> shower sometime.
> I'm a nervous wreck.


When's he scheduled? I'll have him and you in my thoughts.

> OB food - found a new sort of tortilla wrap at Whole Foods
> subsidiary, high protein (13 g per tort!), lower carb (12g?), low
> fat. Very tasty and pliable as well:
> name of Tofuyan or something similar. Very tasty indeed. We had
> leftover chicken simmered with a bit of cumin & chipotle, homemade
> Spanish rice made with leftover stuff & pico de gallo, lots of
> veggies, and some new sprouts. I didn't tell him the sour cream was
> tofu sour cream. Not bad. Not the real deal, but not half as much
> fat, and not bad at all, at all.
> Edrena


If you can slip tofu by (in any form) and they like it you've accomplished
something in my book. Just looking at tofu makes me grimace! Best of luck
to you and yours. Please keep us (or me) apprised. And thanks again,
Edrena for the good wishes.

Jill


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In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> The Cobb salad was huge. I suppose that's fine if you're healthy and
> ordering one for lunch or dinner in a restaurant. For someone recuperating
> from radical surgery, he said it's just too much.... expecially given the
> meal schedule in this particular hospital. Breakfast between 8-8:30am,
> lunch at 11:30, dinner at 4:30pm. Maybe some people are ready to eat again
> that soon after each meal. He's not. I wouldn't be, either.
>
> At any rate, he'll probably be released tomorrow afternoon. They could
> extend it to Wednesday. He doesn't know yet. I'll be there to drive him
> home and help him out for a few days afterwards. The doctor indicated he'd
> need full-time assistance for at least 2-3 days. I'll only need to run home
> to provide my pets with a little care. No word yet about chemo or radiation
> therapies.
>
> Jill


Sounds like good news so far. :-)
Sending good wishes and prayers yours (and his) way!
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Gentle Friends:
Ol'Whiskerface had his surgery this morning, they feel they got all the
cancer. He's sassy & mean as usual before I left. Doc had the gall to order
a clear diet this evening, even after our nurse-who-knew-us urged normal
diet. Bob wanted a meatlovers' pizza. Or Philly steak & cheese sub, no
onions. Or roast turkey & things. Or meatloaf & stuff. He got powdered
yellow salt broth and green jello. And Water. I got his pallid tea, being
thirsty for hot, er warm. Then I remembered the high protein, low fat bars I
carry everywhere. He ate about 600 calories' worth. Strawberry/yogurt and
s'mores flavors. That hit the spot for now. It's nice having friends on the
ward who will turn the other way whilst discussing chardonnays and prime
beef.
I'm to report for rounds tomorrow early and let docs know just how spoiled
he is for real food.
Many thanks for the good wishes & prayers.
Love,
Edrena




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On Oct 2, 12:58 am, "The Joneses" > wrote:

> The last time he was in I knew he'd been fasting o'nite before a test. I, of
> course, brought his favorite apple fritters, deep fried & coated in sugar
> varnish, about a half pound. And a pint of strong coffee. The subsequent
> blood sugar test (I had to show the medic how to do it) was a trifle high -
> clear up to 135. When they attempted to give him insulin (he's not a
> diabetic) I hit the roof. No more leaving people alone in the hospital.
> Hardly ever anyway. I got to shower sometime.
> I'm a nervous wreck.



I tried responding to this last night but for some reason dejanews
didn't post it?? Lemme try again-
It is not uncommon at all to monitor blood glucose levels and
administer insulin in NON-diabetic patients in the hospital these
days. Research shows us that keeping blood glucose levels under very
tight control (say 70-110 max) promotes better healing, fewer
infections and far better outcomes. Injuries, Illnesses as well as
some meds and special feeding regimes can temporarily raise glucose
levels and these levels do not promote an ideal healing environment.
This doesn't mean the patient is a diabetic *or* getting the wrong
medicine. Perhaps someone just needed to do a better job explaining
this to you and your husband, assuming this was the case?

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"The Joneses" > wrote in message
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> Gentle Friends:
> Ol'Whiskerface had his surgery this morning, they feel they got all the
> cancer. He's sassy & mean as usual before I left. Doc had the gall to
> order a clear diet this evening, even after our nurse-who-knew-us urged
> normal diet. Bob wanted a meatlovers' pizza. Or Philly steak & cheese sub,
> no onions. Or roast turkey & things. Or meatloaf & stuff. He got powdered
> yellow salt broth and green jello. And Water. I got his pallid tea, being
> thirsty for hot, er warm. Then I remembered the high protein, low fat bars
> I carry everywhere. He ate about 600 calories' worth. Strawberry/yogurt
> and s'mores flavors. That hit the spot for now. It's nice having friends
> on the ward who will turn the other way whilst discussing chardonnays and
> prime beef.
> I'm to report for rounds tomorrow early and let docs know just how
> spoiled he is for real food.
> Many thanks for the good wishes & prayers.
> Love,
> Edrena
>

Happy to hear that he is sassy. I didn't realize that the green Jell-O diet
was still in existence ;o[
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> On Oct 2, 12:58 am, "The Joneses" > wrote:
>
>> The last time he was in I knew he'd been fasting o'nite before a test. I,
>> of
>> course, brought his favorite apple fritters, deep fried & coated in sugar
>> varnish, about a half pound. And a pint of strong coffee. The subsequent
>> blood sugar test (I had to show the medic how to do it) was a trifle
>> high -
>> clear up to 135. When they attempted to give him insulin (he's not a
>> diabetic) I hit the roof. No more leaving people alone in the hospital.
>> Hardly ever anyway. I got to shower sometime.
>> I'm a nervous wreck.

>
>
> I tried responding to this last night but for some reason dejanews
> didn't post it?? Lemme try again-
> It is not uncommon at all to monitor blood glucose levels and
> administer insulin in NON-diabetic patients in the hospital these
> days. Research shows us that keeping blood glucose levels under very
> tight control (say 70-110 max) promotes better healing, fewer
> infections and far better outcomes. Injuries, Illnesses as well as
> some meds and special feeding regimes can temporarily raise glucose
> levels and these levels do not promote an ideal healing environment.
> This doesn't mean the patient is a diabetic *or* getting the wrong
> medicine. Perhaps someone just needed to do a better job explaining
> this to you and your husband, assuming this was the case?
>

And so this was the case yesterday. His fasting blood sugar was over 200.
The nurse explained all that and also stress and large doses of steroids
used in conjunction with surgery & this condition, etc., etc. He got the
insulin, we didn't fuss. Now we know. Our nurse is a great guy.
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> Gentle Friends:
> Ol'Whiskerface had his surgery this morning, they feel they got all the
> cancer. He's sassy & mean as usual before I left. Doc had the gall to order
> a clear diet this evening, even after our nurse-who-knew-us urged normal
> diet. Bob wanted a meatlovers' pizza. Or Philly steak & cheese sub, no
> onions. Or roast turkey & things. Or meatloaf & stuff. He got powdered
> yellow salt broth and green jello. And Water. I got his pallid tea, being
> thirsty for hot, er warm. Then I remembered the high protein, low fat bars I
> carry everywhere. He ate about 600 calories' worth. Strawberry/yogurt and
> s'mores flavors. That hit the spot for now. It's nice having friends on the
> ward who will turn the other way whilst discussing chardonnays and prime
> beef.
> I'm to report for rounds tomorrow early and let docs know just how spoiled
> he is for real food.
> Many thanks for the good wishes & prayers.
> Love,
> Edrena
>
>

That's really good news Edrena. Give ol' whiskers our best.

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"The Joneses" > wrote in message
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> Gentle Friends:
> Ol'Whiskerface had his surgery this morning, they feel they got all the
> cancer. He's sassy & mean as usual before I left. Doc had the gall to
> order a clear diet this evening, even after our nurse-who-knew-us urged
> normal diet. Bob wanted a meatlovers' pizza. Or Philly steak & cheese sub,
> no onions. Or roast turkey & things. Or meatloaf & stuff. He got powdered
> yellow salt broth and green jello. And Water. I got his pallid tea, being
> thirsty for hot, er warm. Then I remembered the high protein, low fat bars
> I carry everywhere. He ate about 600 calories' worth. Strawberry/yogurt
> and s'mores flavors. That hit the spot for now. It's nice having friends
> on the ward who will turn the other way whilst discussing chardonnays and
> prime beef.
> I'm to report for rounds tomorrow early and let docs know just how
> spoiled he is for real food.
> Many thanks for the good wishes & prayers.
> Love,
> Edrena
>
>


Really...what is it about hospitals and their food? You'd think they'd know
that a body needs good nutrition to heal itself. What part of all that salt
and sugar is gonna do that ?

Glad to hear Ol'Whiskerface is on the mend, keep sneakin' in the good stuff!

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Kathi Jones wrote:
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>> Gentle Friends:
>> Ol'Whiskerface had his surgery this morning, they feel they got all the
>> cancer. He's sassy & mean as usual before I left. Doc had the gall to
>> order a clear diet this evening, even after our nurse-who-knew-us urged
>> normal diet. Bob wanted a meatlovers' pizza. Or Philly steak & cheese sub,
>> no onions. Or roast turkey & things. Or meatloaf & stuff. He got powdered
>> yellow salt broth and green jello. And Water. I got his pallid tea, being
>> thirsty for hot, er warm. Then I remembered the high protein, low fat bars
>> I carry everywhere. He ate about 600 calories' worth. Strawberry/yogurt
>> and s'mores flavors. That hit the spot for now. It's nice having friends
>> on the ward who will turn the other way whilst discussing chardonnays and
>> prime beef.
>> I'm to report for rounds tomorrow early and let docs know just how
>> spoiled he is for real food.
>> Many thanks for the good wishes & prayers.
>> Love,
>> Edrena
>>
>>

>
> Really...what is it about hospitals and their food? You'd think they'd know
> that a body needs good nutrition to heal itself. What part of all that salt
> and sugar is gonna do that ?
>
> Glad to hear Ol'Whiskerface is on the mend, keep sneakin' in the good stuff!
>
> Kathi
>
>

I used to think the same thing and our local publicly owned hospital
served stewed cardboard and green jello all the time. My last stay there
they had hired a new dietician and the food was great. I specified a low
sodium, no sugar diet and they set me up well. Three very good meals a
day with a mid-morning fruit snack and a mid-afternoon sugar free
pudding or red jello snack and then another about 9 pm. All the food was
brought to me hot, presentation was good, everything was spotless and
the staff were easy to get along with. I nearly died from the shock of
it all as my last visit there was anything but nice. Found out they had
a new hospital administrator too so that might explain it. I don't want
to go back to find out if it's still serving good food. My wife did
bring me a cup of live culture yoghurt every day as I was on a heavy
course of antibiotics at the time. I certainly hope Sir Whiskers Jones
is getting better food by now. Edrena is probably bringing him pickled
beets and pickled okra to snack on. B-})

George

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>Gentle Friends:
> Ol'Whiskerface had his surgery this morning, they feel they got all the
>cancer. He's sassy & mean as usual before I left. Doc had the gall to order
>a clear diet this evening, even after our nurse-who-knew-us urged normal
>diet. Bob wanted a meatlovers' pizza. Or Philly steak & cheese sub, no
>onions. Or roast turkey & things. Or meatloaf & stuff. He got powdered
>yellow salt broth and green jello. And Water. I got his pallid tea, being
>thirsty for hot, er warm. Then I remembered the high protein, low fat bars I
>carry everywhere. He ate about 600 calories' worth. Strawberry/yogurt and
>s'mores flavors. That hit the spot for now. It's nice having friends on the
>ward who will turn the other way whilst discussing chardonnays and prime
>beef.
> I'm to report for rounds tomorrow early and let docs know just how spoiled
>he is for real food.
> Many thanks for the good wishes & prayers.
>Love,
>Edrena
>

Thanks for the update, Edrena.

May he heal quickly, and all of this become a dim memory that you can
reminisce about many, many years form now.

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> Happy to hear that he is sassy. I didn't realize that the green Jell-O diet
> was still in existence ;o[
> Janet


You can not hide from Jell-O no matter where you go. I was served Jell-O
in hospitals in Germany, Brazil and Mexico. In Germany and Mexico, the
food was similar to American hospitals. In Brazil, I was served
chamomile tea and they feel coconut water has some sort of healing
properties. Brazil is known for their coffee, you would think they
would serve that.

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...
> Gentle Friends:
> Ol'Whiskerface had his surgery this morning, they feel they got all the
> cancer. He's sassy & mean as usual before I left. Doc had the gall to
> order a clear diet this evening, even after our nurse-who-knew-us urged
> normal diet. Bob wanted a meatlovers' pizza. Or Philly steak & cheese sub,
> no onions. Or roast turkey & things. Or meatloaf & stuff. He got powdered
> yellow salt broth and green jello. And Water. I got his pallid tea, being
> thirsty for hot, er warm. Then I remembered the high protein, low fat bars
> I carry everywhere. He ate about 600 calories' worth. Strawberry/yogurt
> and s'mores flavors. That hit the spot for now. It's nice having friends
> on the ward who will turn the other way whilst discussing chardonnays and
> prime beef.
> I'm to report for rounds tomorrow early and let docs know just how
> spoiled he is for real food.
> Many thanks for the good wishes & prayers.
> Love,
> Edrena
>
>


Oh, Edrina, tell Fuzzy to get better! I know how taxing this is on both of
you. He is dying to eat real food and you feel like you should be 'doing'
something by fixing him something good to eat. What with the hospitals
doing a turnaround, in one day out the next, he should be home soon so you
can cater to him like you want. I'd suggest a good old pot of Jewish
Penicillin, none of that hot water they let a chicken wash his feet in they
serve in hospitals as the 'light' diet....

Smuggle some of those B&B pickles from Barb's recipe in, plop them on the
nurses' station and you can feed him anything you want (VBG)....In all
seriousness, do tell him to get better or I'll send my daughter down to
teach you the fine art of beard corn-rowing.....When my husband went in for
his kidney stones for the umpteenth time, eldest daughter threatened to
corn-row his beard (he looks like a cross between those GEICO cavemen and
Rupert from Survivor) when he was asleep unless he got over himself and got
better. Now that was motivation.

Hope all is well and YOU get some rest. Him they can medicate to make him
sleep, you will sit up and worry.
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George Shirley wrote:
>> I used to think the same thing and our local publicly owned hospital

> served stewed cardboard and green jello all the time. My last stay
> there they had hired a new dietician and the food was great. I
> specified a low sodium, no sugar diet and they set me up well. Three
> very good meals a day with a mid-morning fruit snack and a
> mid-afternoon sugar free pudding or red jello snack and then another
> about 9 pm. All the food was brought to me hot, presentation was
> good, everything was spotless and the staff were easy to get along
> with. I nearly died from the shock of it all as my last visit there
> was anything but nice. Found out they had a new hospital
> administrator too so that might explain it. I don't want to go back
> to find out if it's still serving good food. My wife did bring me a
> cup of live culture yoghurt every day as I was on a heavy course of
> antibiotics at the time. I certainly hope Sir Whiskers Jones is
> getting better food by now. Edrena is probably bringing him pickled
> beets and pickled okra to snack on. B-})



Hey George How lovely to see you posting) How are you these days???

All good wishes to Edrena and Sirwhiskers)
>
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> George Shirley wrote:
>>> I used to think the same thing and our local publicly owned hospital

>> served stewed cardboard and green jello all the time. My last stay
>> there they had hired a new dietician and the food was great. I
>> specified a low sodium, no sugar diet and they set me up well. Three
>> very good meals a day with a mid-morning fruit snack and a
>> mid-afternoon sugar free pudding or red jello snack and then another
>> about 9 pm. All the food was brought to me hot, presentation was
>> good, everything was spotless and the staff were easy to get along
>> with. I nearly died from the shock of it all as my last visit there
>> was anything but nice. Found out they had a new hospital
>> administrator too so that might explain it. I don't want to go back
>> to find out if it's still serving good food. My wife did bring me a
>> cup of live culture yoghurt every day as I was on a heavy course of
>> antibiotics at the time. I certainly hope Sir Whiskers Jones is
>> getting better food by now. Edrena is probably bringing him pickled
>> beets and pickled okra to snack on. B-})

>
>
> Hey George How lovely to see you posting) How are you these days???
>
> All good wishes to Edrena and Sirwhiskers)
>> George

>
>

Fat as a hog and fit to butcher. Gained nearly 35 lbs since I got out of
the hospital on March 27th. Now I need to lose it back. Currently
getting new eyes, cataract surgery little over a week ago on right eye
and this Friday on left eye. Good news is I won't need glasses except to
read now. Doc says he is correcting my mild astigmatism too. Next is
laser surgery to open new drainage canals in my eyes so I won't have to
put drops for glaucoma in my eyes three times a day. Now if they could
figure out what to do about the worn out knees, ankles, etc. I would be
a new man.

Bought a hundred pounds of shrimp off a boat yesterday and spent some
time packaging and vac sealing for freezing in 2 lb lots. Kids will come
over from Houston area soon to pick up some for each family as Miz Anne
and I would have to eat shrimp three meals a day to eat up 100 lbs.

How are things amongst the Glaswegian's?

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George Shirley wrote:
> Fat as a hog and fit to butcher. Gained nearly 35 lbs since I got out
> of the hospital on March 27th. Now I need to lose it back. Currently
> getting new eyes, cataract surgery little over a week ago on right eye
> and this Friday on left eye.


Excellent) I have had both eyes done and the difference is little short
of magic)

Good luck, although you won't need it) Let us know how it goes?

Good news is I won't need glasses except
> to read now. Doc says he is correcting my mild astigmatism too. Next
> is laser surgery to open new drainage canals in my eyes so I won't
> have to put drops for glaucoma in my eyes three times a day. Now if
> they could figure out what to do about the worn out knees, ankles,
> etc. I would be a new man.


Can't help with the ankles but I have had both knees replaced Sure made
me a new woman)


> Bought a hundred pounds of shrimp off a boat yesterday and spent some
> time packaging and vac sealing for freezing in 2 lb lots. Kids will
> come over from Houston area soon to pick up some for each family as
> Miz Anne and I would have to eat shrimp three meals a day to eat up
> 100 lbs.


LOL but I bet you are not complaining))))

> How are things amongst the Glaswegian's?


Well not bad, but we are getting ready to move down to Yorkshire. A lot of
hard work but I suppose it will be worth it

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Ophelia wrote:
> George Shirley wrote:
>> Fat as a hog and fit to butcher. Gained nearly 35 lbs since I got out
>> of the hospital on March 27th. Now I need to lose it back. Currently
>> getting new eyes, cataract surgery little over a week ago on right eye
>> and this Friday on left eye.

>
> Excellent) I have had both eyes done and the difference is little short
> of magic)
>
> Good luck, although you won't need it) Let us know how it goes?
>
> Good news is I won't need glasses except
>> to read now. Doc says he is correcting my mild astigmatism too. Next
>> is laser surgery to open new drainage canals in my eyes so I won't
>> have to put drops for glaucoma in my eyes three times a day. Now if
>> they could figure out what to do about the worn out knees, ankles,
>> etc. I would be a new man.

>
> Can't help with the ankles but I have had both knees replaced Sure made
> me a new woman)
>
>
>> Bought a hundred pounds of shrimp off a boat yesterday and spent some
>> time packaging and vac sealing for freezing in 2 lb lots. Kids will
>> come over from Houston area soon to pick up some for each family as
>> Miz Anne and I would have to eat shrimp three meals a day to eat up
>> 100 lbs.

>
> LOL but I bet you are not complaining))))
>
>> How are things amongst the Glaswegian's?

>
> Well not bad, but we are getting ready to move down to Yorkshire. A lot of
> hard work but I suppose it will be worth it
>
> O xx
>
>

I didn't know your could speak Yorkie! Used to work in Saudi with a
Yorkshireman, had difficulty with his dialect on occasion but not as
much as with the Geordie dialect. Glaswegian Scots is much closer to
standard English than either of those two. You will enjoy the move
though, beautiful countryside.

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> Gentle Friends:
> Ol'Whiskerface had his surgery this morning, they feel they got all
> the cancer. He's sassy & mean as usual before I left. Doc had the
> gall to order a clear diet this evening, even after our
> nurse-who-knew-us urged normal diet. Bob wanted a meatlovers' pizza.
> Or Philly steak & cheese sub, no onions. Or roast turkey & things. Or
> meatloaf & stuff. He got powdered yellow salt broth and green jello.
> And Water. I got his pallid tea, being thirsty for hot, er warm. Then
> I remembered the high protein, low fat bars I carry everywhere. He
> ate about 600 calories' worth. Strawberry/yogurt and s'mores flavors.
> That hit the spot for now. It's nice having friends on the ward who
> will turn the other way whilst discussing chardonnays and prime beef.
> I'm to report for rounds tomorrow early and let docs know just how
> spoiled he is for real food.
> Many thanks for the good wishes & prayers.
> Love,
> Edrena


I'm glad he's doing well enough to gripe about the (lack of solid) food!
You will both continue to be in my thoughts. And I hope he gets to eat real
food very soon.

Jill


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> I didn't know your could speak Yorkie!


You didn't know I could speak Yorkie????

I AM Yorkie) I am going home)))

Used to work in Saudi with a
> Yorkshireman, had difficulty with his dialect on occasion but not as
> much as with the Geordie dialect. Glaswegian Scots is much closer to
> standard English than either of those two. You will enjoy the move
> though, beautiful countryside.


Yes it is. Have a wee look at Ripon in North Yorkshire )

I have been up here living and working for 25 years, but it is time now to
go home.

When I am back down I will sent you some photos

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> When my husband went in for his kidney stones for the umpteenth time,
> eldest daughter threatened to corn-row his beard (he looks like a
> cross between those GEICO cavemen and Rupert from Survivor) when he
> was asleep unless he got over himself and got better. Now that was
> motivation.


They tell me kidney stones are painful. Is there anything he can do to
stop the kidney stones from forming? Any vitamins? Diet? I hear you
should avoid oxalates.

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> They tell me kidney stones are painful. Is there anything he can do to
> stop the kidney stones from forming? Any vitamins? Diet? I hear you
> should avoid oxalates.


Lots of water. Vitamins are not supposed to be good because they
leave the sort of sediments that cause the stones. There is a hereditary
component--I saw my teenaged niece in agony from a stone, before she
was diagnoses, I held her on my lap on the emergency room floor
because it hurt too much for her to sit up in the chair. Her father also
had stones. She was odd--would order fast food and NO soda,
regularly. I know improper hydration was part of her problem.


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> On Oct 2, 12:58 am, "The Joneses" > wrote:
>
> > The last time he was in I knew he'd been fasting o'nite before a test. I, of
> > course, brought his favorite apple fritters, deep fried & coated in sugar
> > varnish, about a half pound. And a pint of strong coffee. The subsequent
> > blood sugar test (I had to show the medic how to do it) was a trifle high -
> > clear up to 135. When they attempted to give him insulin (he's not a
> > diabetic) I hit the roof. No more leaving people alone in the hospital.
> > Hardly ever anyway. I got to shower sometime.
> > I'm a nervous wreck.

>
> I tried responding to this last night but for some reason dejanews
> didn't post it?? Lemme try again-
> It is not uncommon at all to monitor blood glucose levels and
> administer insulin in NON-diabetic patients in the hospital these
> days. Research shows us that keeping blood glucose levels under very
> tight control (say 70-110 max) promotes better healing, fewer
> infections and far better outcomes. Injuries, Illnesses as well as
> some meds and special feeding regimes can temporarily raise glucose
> levels and these levels do not promote an ideal healing environment.
> This doesn't mean the patient is a diabetic *or* getting the wrong
> medicine. Perhaps someone just needed to do a better job explaining
> this to you and your husband, assuming this was the case?


*Nodding* Yes I was subjected tiny amounts of insulin every day while
asurgical inpatient. Since no one suggested seeing an endocrinologist I
assumed that diabetes wasn't an issue. Also had low blood sodium but
that's apparently to the vast amount of IV fluids administered pre- and
post-surgery. Had to promise to put more salt on my food to escape the
nasty salt tablets.

Such things should indeed be explained but probably that's not always
practical.
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> .. .
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> Went to visit Scott this morning. They finally moved him out of ICU to a
>>> regular room late yesterday. This morning they removed one of his chest
>>> tubes and the catheter but he's still hooked to a heart monitor. He's
>>> feeling better, although weak.
>>>
>>> He was given a choice of food to have for lunch. He selected a Cobb
>>> salad
>>> with a cup of Minestrone. They brought his lunch while I was there.
>>>
>>> I'm not a salad fan but he is. It looked pretty good, as far as salads
>>> go
>>> Just in case you don't know what goes into a Cobb salad, which
>>> originated at The Brown Derby in Hollywood, CA, the ingredients from the
>>> original a Mixed greens, chicken breast, chopped tomatoes, crisp
>>> crumbled bacon, sliced hard cooked eggs, avocado slices, crumbled
>>> roquefort
>>> cheese, chives and (a special Brown Derby) vinaigrette dressing.
>>>
>>> Being a hospital, they substituted thinly sliced turkey breast for the
>>> chicken and brought him low-fat Italian dressing rather than a
>>> traditional
>>> vinaigrette. And they didn't put avocado on it. (They added sliced
>>> black
>>> olives, which I gather is something a lot of places/people do these
>>> days.)
>>> He doesn't like blue cheeses so he skipped over the roquefort. The
>>> Minestrone probably came out of an industrial-sized can, but he enjoyed
>>> it.
>>> He also got a cup of Peach Crisp for dessert.
>>>
>>> He has a few complaints about the hospital food. For breakfast they cook
>>> the scrambled eggs until they are so dry they are practically rubber and
>>> the
>>> home-fried potatoes are dry and unseasoned. (They didn't mess up the
>>> bacon!) He told me he'd welcome a small box of cereal, such as
>>> Cornflakes
>>> or Cheerios, and some milk instead.
>>>
>>> The Cobb salad was huge. I suppose that's fine if you're healthy and
>>> ordering one for lunch or dinner in a restaurant. For someone
>>> recuperating
>>> from radical surgery, he said it's just too much.... expecially given the
>>> meal schedule in this particular hospital. Breakfast between 8-8:30am,
>>> lunch at 11:30, dinner at 4:30pm. Maybe some people are ready to eat
>>> again
>>> that soon after each meal. He's not. I wouldn't be, either.
>>>
>>> At any rate, he'll probably be released tomorrow afternoon. They could
>>> extend it to Wednesday. He doesn't know yet. I'll be there to drive him
>>> home and help him out for a few days afterwards. The doctor indicated
>>> he'd
>>> need full-time assistance for at least 2-3 days. I'll only need to run
>>> home
>>> to provide my pets with a little care. No word yet about chemo or
>>> radiation
>>> therapies.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>>>

>> Narcissism?

>
> You think?
>
>

Yup.
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>Miz Anne
> and I would have to eat shrimp three meals a day to eat up 100 lbs.


NTTAWWT :-) Especially if you swap in a few MudBugs now and again to keep
things lively!

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> They tell me kidney stones are painful. Is there anything he can do to
> stop the kidney stones from forming? Any vitamins? Diet? I hear you
> should avoid oxalates.
>
> Becca


Only if oxalates are the problem. There are five types of stones and
unless you collect a stone for lab identification you can't know what
the possible solution is?
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> *Nodding* Yes I was subjected tiny amounts of insulin every day while
> asurgical inpatient. Since no one suggested seeing an endocrinologist I
> assumed that diabetes wasn't an issue. Also had low blood sodium but
> that's apparently to the vast amount of IV fluids administered pre- and
> post-surgery. Had to promise to put more salt on my food to escape the
> nasty salt tablets.


Yeah. Serum sodium levels are an indication of fluid load. Too much
fluid on board dilutes the sodium present, and the treatment is actually
fluid restriction.
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"Becca" > wrote in message
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> Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
>
>> When my husband went in for his kidney stones for the umpteenth time,
>> eldest daughter threatened to corn-row his beard (he looks like a
>> cross between those GEICO cavemen and Rupert from Survivor) when he
>> was asleep unless he got over himself and got better. Now that was
>> motivation.

>
> They tell me kidney stones are painful. Is there anything he can do to
> stop the kidney stones from forming? Any vitamins? Diet? I hear you
> should avoid oxalates.
>
> Becca



He's been sifted and chipped at so they know what type of stones he makes.
Told him to back off the iced tea as the chemical found in tea is also in
his stones. They are heriditary as FBS has them as well.......we've just
decided to change his name (a la Flintstone-style) to Joe Quarry....that and
the fuzz on his face, sorta fits. He averages at least one big stone every
two years. Largest blocked his left kidney, and it was huge, I want to say
7 cm, and had to be laser chipped out piece by piece. You can tell when he
is trying to deal with another one......PMS symptoms and all, but in his
case it's Passin' My Stone..
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"Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Becca" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
>>
>>> When my husband went in for his kidney stones for the umpteenth time,
>>> eldest daughter threatened to corn-row his beard (he looks like a
>>> cross between those GEICO cavemen and Rupert from Survivor) when he
>>> was asleep unless he got over himself and got better. Now that was
>>> motivation.

>>
>> They tell me kidney stones are painful. Is there anything he can do to
>> stop the kidney stones from forming? Any vitamins? Diet? I hear you
>> should avoid oxalates.
>>
>> Becca

>
>
> He's been sifted and chipped at so they know what type of stones he makes.
> Told him to back off the iced tea as the chemical found in tea is also in
> his stones. They are heriditary as FBS has them as well.......we've just
> decided to change his name (a la Flintstone-style) to Joe Quarry....that
> and the fuzz on his face, sorta fits. He averages at least one big stone
> every two years. Largest blocked his left kidney, and it was huge, I want
> to say 7 cm, and had to be laser chipped out piece by piece. You can tell
> when he is trying to deal with another one......PMS symptoms and all, but
> in his case it's Passin' My Stone..
> -ginny
>
>


Oh, that's awful!! A friend of mine told me about his experience passing a
stone - he said he thought he was dying...or giving birth. As I can relate
to the giving birth part, and have had gall stones myself, I can sore of
understand it. But for a guy? That's terrible that he has to deal with it
every 2 years! Yikes!!

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> Arri London wrote:
>
> > *Nodding* Yes I was subjected tiny amounts of insulin every day while
> > a surgical inpatient. Since no one suggested seeing an endocrinologist I
> > assumed that diabetes wasn't an issue. Also had low blood sodium but
> > that's apparently to the vast amount of IV fluids administered pre- and
> > post-surgery. Had to promise to put more salt on my food to escape the
> > nasty salt tablets.

>
> Yeah. Serum sodium levels are an indication of fluid load. Too much
> fluid on board dilutes the sodium present, and the treatment is actually
> fluid restriction.


This being a very dry climate, fluid restriction isn't really an option
unless symptoms present themselves. There wasn't any fluid retention
after the first day or two post-surgery. That's something the nursing
staff kept close watch on.


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When my husband had kidney stones, they made him give up his diet mountain
dew and tea. He told the kids the pain was like trying to pass razor blades
through a part of your body that wasn't supposed to pass more than water.
"Kathi Jones" > wrote in message
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>
> "Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Becca" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
>>>
>>>> When my husband went in for his kidney stones for the umpteenth time,
>>>> eldest daughter threatened to corn-row his beard (he looks like a
>>>> cross between those GEICO cavemen and Rupert from Survivor) when he
>>>> was asleep unless he got over himself and got better. Now that was
>>>> motivation.
>>>
>>> They tell me kidney stones are painful. Is there anything he can do to
>>> stop the kidney stones from forming? Any vitamins? Diet? I hear you
>>> should avoid oxalates.
>>>
>>> Becca

>>
>>
>> He's been sifted and chipped at so they know what type of stones he
>> makes. Told him to back off the iced tea as the chemical found in tea is
>> also in his stones. They are heriditary as FBS has them as
>> well.......we've just decided to change his name (a la Flintstone-style)
>> to Joe Quarry....that and the fuzz on his face, sorta fits. He averages
>> at least one big stone every two years. Largest blocked his left kidney,
>> and it was huge, I want to say 7 cm, and had to be laser chipped out
>> piece by piece. You can tell when he is trying to deal with another
>> one......PMS symptoms and all, but in his case it's Passin' My Stone..
>> -ginny
>>
>>

>
> Oh, that's awful!! A friend of mine told me about his experience passing
> a stone - he said he thought he was dying...or giving birth. As I can
> relate to the giving birth part, and have had gall stones myself, I can
> sore of understand it. But for a guy? That's terrible that he has to
> deal with it every 2 years! Yikes!!
>
> Kathi
>



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