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Thurs
BG before dinner 59
Liverwurst & 2 eggs on buttered dark rye.
One hour PP BG 79

Fri
BG before dinner 74
1/4 cup pinhead oats, liverwurst, Linburger, horseradish, 2 eggs
One hour PP BG 98

Sat
BG before dinner 89
1/2 low carb bagel, cream cheese, smoked salmon, onion & tomato
Two hour PP BG 129

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Nick Cramer wrote:
Thurs
BG before dinner 59
Liverwurst & 2 eggs on buttered dark rye.
One hour PP BG 79

Fri
BG before dinner 74
1/4 cup pinhead oats, liverwurst, Linburger, horseradish, 2 eggs
One hour PP BG 98

Sat
BG before dinner 89
1/2 low carb bagel, cream cheese, smoked salmon, onion & tomato
Two hour PP BG 129


Bagels and oata don't like you Actually many have found that rye products
work better bg-wise than oats and wheat.


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"Ozgirl" wrote:
Nick Cramer wrote:
Thurs
BG before dinner 59
Liverwurst & 2 eggs on buttered dark rye.
One hour PP BG 79

Fri
BG before dinner 74
1/4 cup pinhead oats, liverwurst, Linburger, horseradish, 2 eggs
One hour PP BG 98

Sat
BG before dinner 89
1/2 low carb bagel, cream cheese, smoked salmon, onion & tomato
Two hour PP BG 129


Bagels and oata don't like you Actually many have found that rye
products work better bg-wise than oats and wheat.


Thanks, Ozgirl. I went back and checked the numbers. 13 instances. Both
raised my BG an average of 36.5 points. I'll have to check the pumpernickel
and dark rye. Ok 1/8 cup of pinheads. 1/4 of a bagel. BLT on dark rye. Mmm!

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Nick Cramer wrote:
: Thurs
: BG before dinner 59
: Liverwurst & 2 eggs on buttered dark rye.
: One hour PP BG 79

: Fri
: BG before dinner 74
: 1/4 cup pinhead oats, liverwurst, Linburger, horseradish, 2 eggs
: One hour PP BG 98

: Sat
: BG before dinner 89
: 1/2 low carb bagel, cream cheese, smoked salmon, onion & tomato
: Two hour PP BG 129

: --
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Nick,
Nice numbers, but why aren' you eating vegetables? A slice of tomaote and
onion on a bagel is nt eating vegetables! Didn't you mother thell you
finsh your vegetables?

Wendy
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Nick Cramer wrote:
"Ozgirl" wrote:
Nick Cramer wrote:
Thurs
BG before dinner 59
Liverwurst & 2 eggs on buttered dark rye.
One hour PP BG 79

Fri
BG before dinner 74
1/4 cup pinhead oats, liverwurst, Linburger, horseradish, 2 eggs
One hour PP BG 98

Sat
BG before dinner 89
1/2 low carb bagel, cream cheese, smoked salmon, onion & tomato
Two hour PP BG 129


Bagels and oats don't like you Actually many have found that rye
products work better bg-wise than oats and wheat.


Thanks, Ozgirl. I went back and checked the numbers. 13 instances.
Both raised my BG an average of 36.5 points. I'll have to check the
pumpernickel and dark rye. Ok 1/8 cup of pinheads. 1/4 of a bagel.
BLT on dark rye. Mmm!


Rye crackers are good for a snack or part of a meal as well if you like
them. I can get 100% rye crackers here and they don't spike me in
moderation. Just a bit of variety. I often have a large hand sized rye
cracker spread with a bit of mayo and cold, sliced, hard-boiled eggs for a
quick breakfast.




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W. Baker wrote:
Nick Cramer wrote:
Thurs
BG before dinner 59
Liverwurst & 2 eggs on buttered dark rye.
One hour PP BG 79


Fri
BG before dinner 74
1/4 cup pinhead oats, liverwurst, Linburger, horseradish, 2 eggs
One hour PP BG 98


Sat
BG before dinner 89
1/2 low carb bagel, cream cheese, smoked salmon, onion & tomato
Two hour PP BG 129


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families!


Nick,
Nice numbers, but why aren' you eating vegetables? A slice of
tomaote and onion on a bagel is nt eating vegetables! Didn't you
mother thell you finsh your vegetables?

Wendy


lol


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"Nick Cramer" wrote in message
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Thurs
BG before dinner 59
Liverwurst & 2 eggs on buttered dark rye.
One hour PP BG 79

Fri
BG before dinner 74
1/4 cup pinhead oats, liverwurst, Linburger, horseradish, 2 eggs
One hour PP BG 98

Sat
BG before dinner 89
1/2 low carb bagel, cream cheese, smoked salmon, onion & tomato
Two hour PP BG 129

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War.
They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops.
You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~




Nick, although I'm new to this, I find my 2 hour readings are where my
spikes really show up. I noticed your Thur and Friday readings were at ONE
hour, whereas your Saturday reading (which was much higher) was at two
hours.

None of my business, but based on my own personal experience thus far, it's
the two hour number that matters most.

Does everyone in the group tend to agree??? I'm very new to this, so I could
be wrong, but that is definitely what I find in my own testing.

Willy

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Willy wrote:
"Nick Cramer" wrote in message
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Thurs
BG before dinner 59
Liverwurst & 2 eggs on buttered dark rye.
One hour PP BG 79

Fri
BG before dinner 74
1/4 cup pinhead oats, liverwurst, Linburger, horseradish, 2 eggs
One hour PP BG 98

Sat
BG before dinner 89
1/2 low carb bagel, cream cheese, smoked salmon, onion & tomato
Two hour PP BG 129

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their
families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish
American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and
Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! !
~Semper Fi~




Nick, although I'm new to this, I find my 2 hour readings are where my
spikes really show up. I noticed your Thur and Friday readings were
at ONE hour, whereas your Saturday reading (which was much higher)
was at two hours.

None of my business, but based on my own personal experience thus
far, it's the two hour number that matters most.

Does everyone in the group tend to agree??? I'm very new to this, so
I could be wrong, but that is definitely what I find in my own
testing.


No, some of my spikes are at 15 minutes, depending on the type of food and
composition of the whole meal. A delayed spike (2 hours) may mean you have a
lot of fat with your carbs or perhaps some gastroparesis. What drugs/insulin
do you take, if any? Traditionally, doctors have advised to test at 2 hours
to see if your bg's are back within normal range. If you are spiking at 2
hours then you are not back in range and you may need to finetune your meals
more. I have found that any spiking is well and truly over by the one hour
mark for me.

Willy



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Willy wrote:
"Nick Cramer" wrote in message
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Thurs
BG before dinner 59
Liverwurst & 2 eggs on buttered dark rye.
One hour PP BG 79

Fri
BG before dinner 74
1/4 cup pinhead oats, liverwurst, Linburger, horseradish, 2 eggs
One hour PP BG 98

Sat
BG before dinner 89
1/2 low carb bagel, cream cheese, smoked salmon, onion & tomato
Two hour PP BG 129

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War.
They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops.
You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~




Nick, although I'm new to this, I find my 2 hour readings are where my
spikes really show up. I noticed your Thur and Friday readings were at
ONE hour, whereas your Saturday reading (which was much higher) was at
two hours.

None of my business, but based on my own personal experience thus far,
it's the two hour number that matters most.

Does everyone in the group tend to agree??? I'm very new to this, so I
could be wrong, but that is definitely what I find in my own testing.

Willy


your PEAK bg level is around 60 to 70 min after the first bite of food

by the 2 hour level, your bg's should be back down to a 'normal range'

fats and protein affect the absorbtion of carbs and will delay it

do you eat a lot of fat with your meals?


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Depends on the food and the person relaly but if you dont know the food its
best to check at both one and two hours.

I personally spike at a hour for most foods EXCEPT anything with a starch
that ive delayed absorption with fat like pizza or pasta or even a grilled
cheese.

For example if i eat a buttery cheesy grilled chese my start bg might be 80
and the fat will actually drop me to 70 or heck maybe even 60..but i know
better then to panic and try to raise it because eventually the carbs come
and if leave things alone i will go up to 85 or 90 at 2 hours and drop to
basline againg..had i paniced and ate to "correct" the lower number i would
be elevated all day because i messed my self up...but that ME and my system.

this is why testing and learning ones self is vital.

KROM



"Willy" wrote

based on my own personal experience thus far, it's
the two hour number that matters most.

Does everyone in the group tend to agree??? I'm very new to this, so I
could be wrong, but that is definitely what I find in my own testing.

Willy





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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:11:03 -0400, "Willy"
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Nick, although I'm new to this, I find my 2 hour readings are where my
spikes really show up. I noticed your Thur and Friday readings were at ONE
hour, whereas your Saturday reading (which was much higher) was at two
hours.

None of my business, but based on my own personal experience thus far, it's
the two hour number that matters most.

Does everyone in the group tend to agree??? I'm very new to this, so I could
be wrong, but that is definitely what I find in my own testing.

Willy


No, not everyone does agree. My peaks are at one hour,
others are at 90 minutes, others are at two hours. We each
have to find our own peaks. Further, you will find that the
better your control the earlier your peak, at least that's
been the anecdotal experience that I've read over the past
six years.

From my reading of posts here and on mhd and asd.uk, three
Yahoo groups, dlife and the ADA forum the vast majority of
type 2's not on insulin, once they reach reasonable control,
appear to peak at 60-90 minutes after a typical mixed meal.
Usually closer to 60. People on insulin seem to peak later,
often closer to two hours; as do many newbies in poor
control.

How many times have you done a "peak-finding" series after
each of your three main meals of breakfast lunch and dinner?
By that I mean a series of tests at 20-30 minute intervals
after finishing the meal, compassing the period from 30-120
minutes (or longer if numbers are still high at 120).

Read this for a longer discussion on this:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...-two-hour.html



Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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"W. Baker" wrote:
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Nick,
Nice numbers, but why aren' you eating vegetables? A slice of tomaote
and onion on a bagel is nt eating vegetables! Didn't you mother thell
you finsh your vegetables?


groan My Uncle Herbie always told me that I would've been a better kid if
I'd had a sister. Thanks, Sis! Hey! I had chrane, too! 8D

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"Willy" wrote:
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Nick, although I'm new to this, I find my 2 hour readings are where my
spikes really show up. I noticed your Thur and Friday readings were at
ONE hour, whereas your Saturday reading (which was much higher) was at
two hours.

None of my business, but based on my own personal experience thus far,
it's the two hour number that matters most.

Does everyone in the group tend to agree??? I'm very new to this, so I
could be wrong, but that is definitely what I find in my own testing.


No problem, Willy. I should probably do more two hour checks. How long
after a meal before you spike depends on how much of what you ate. For
example: On June 16th, my BG was 97. I had one cup of Fettucine Alfredo.
One hour later BG was 144. Two hours 151. Three hours 178. Four hours 102!
I'll have to be more careful to see when it finally goes down. Thanks for
the wakeup call.

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Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War.
They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops.
You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~
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"Ozgirl" wrote in message
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Willy wrote:
"Nick Cramer" wrote in message
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Thurs
BG before dinner 59
Liverwurst & 2 eggs on buttered dark rye.
One hour PP BG 79

Fri
BG before dinner 74
1/4 cup pinhead oats, liverwurst, Linburger, horseradish, 2 eggs
One hour PP BG 98

Sat
BG before dinner 89
1/2 low carb bagel, cream cheese, smoked salmon, onion & tomato
Two hour PP BG 129

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their
families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish
American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and
Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper
Fi~




Nick, although I'm new to this, I find my 2 hour readings are where my
spikes really show up. I noticed your Thur and Friday readings were
at ONE hour, whereas your Saturday reading (which was much higher)
was at two hours.

None of my business, but based on my own personal experience thus
far, it's the two hour number that matters most.

Does everyone in the group tend to agree??? I'm very new to this, so
I could be wrong, but that is definitely what I find in my own
testing.


No, some of my spikes are at 15 minutes, depending on the type of food and
composition of the whole meal. A delayed spike (2 hours) may mean you have
a lot of fat with your carbs or perhaps some gastroparesis. What
drugs/insulin do you take, if any? Traditionally, doctors have advised to
test at 2 hours to see if your bg's are back within normal range. If you
are spiking at 2 hours then you are not back in range and you may need to
finetune your meals more. I have found that any spiking is well and truly
over by the one hour mark for me.

Willy





I take 2x500 Metformin and 35 units of Novolin (at bedtime). I think
perhaps I must be one that digests slowly as My spikes consistently occur at
2 hours, and NEVER spike before that. I've been doing a LOT of testing
lately, and that's the case regardless of what I've eaten.

Willy

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Willy wrote:
"Nick Cramer" wrote in message
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Thurs
BG before dinner 59
Liverwurst & 2 eggs on buttered dark rye.
One hour PP BG 79

Fri
BG before dinner 74
1/4 cup pinhead oats, liverwurst, Linburger, horseradish, 2 eggs
One hour PP BG 98

Sat
BG before dinner 89
1/2 low carb bagel, cream cheese, smoked salmon, onion & tomato
Two hour PP BG 129

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War.
They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops.
You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~




Nick, although I'm new to this, I find my 2 hour readings are where my
spikes really show up. I noticed your Thur and Friday readings were at
ONE hour, whereas your Saturday reading (which was much higher) was at
two hours.

None of my business, but based on my own personal experience thus far,
it's the two hour number that matters most.

Does everyone in the group tend to agree??? I'm very new to this, so I
could be wrong, but that is definitely what I find in my own testing.

Willy


your PEAK bg level is around 60 to 70 min after the first bite of food

by the 2 hour level, your bg's should be back down to a 'normal range'

fats and protein affect the absorbtion of carbs and will delay it

do you eat a lot of fat with your meals?


--
kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-chat.org
www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html




I suppose "lot" is subject to interpretation.

Breakfast today was:

3 thin slick bacon.
2 eggs
2 low carb bread

I had no appreciable spike.

Lunch:

Sausage and cheese biscuit (25g carb)....

15 point spike at 2 hours.

Dinner:

Taco Salad (Wendy's) with additional piece of chicken (didn't eat the wrap
portion)

Couldn't test after evening meal, but my evening numbers are 120, which is
the lowest I've had since this all started.

Willy



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