Just talking to an aunt on the phone. Am going to visit in June and
she told me about restaurants she wanted us to go to. Told her I'd
skip the italian fare because of the diabetes... maybe just an
antipasto. She told me she was, also. diabetic but didn't worry about
it. She just finished a spaghetti dinner. Her doctor told her that her
fbg was just a little high - 159 - nothing to worry about cause 130
was normal.

John
www.awfullyfunny.com

yeah-sure wrote:
> Just talking to an aunt on the phone. Am going to visit in
June and
> she told me about restaurants she wanted us to go to. Told
her I'd
> skip the italian fare because of the diabetes... maybe
just an
> antipasto. She told me she was, also. diabetic but didn't
worry about
> it. She just finished a spaghetti dinner. Her doctor told
her that her
> fbg was just a little high - 159 - nothing to worry about
cause 130
> was normal.

I haven't given up eating in Italian places. Minestrone soup
doesn't do me any damage, ymmv. I can get an Italian salad
(lettuce, cucumber, peppers, onion, tomatoes, fetta cheese
and nice juicy black olives). Garlic prawns, yum. Oysters.
They do nice meats or seafood with vegetables, can request
no potato. Dessert is the only thing I can't find a
substitute for.

"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...
> yeah-sure wrote:
>> Just talking to an aunt on the phone. Am going to visit in
> June and
>> she told me about restaurants she wanted us to go to. Told
> her I'd
>> skip the italian fare because of the diabetes... maybe
> just an
>> antipasto. She told me she was, also. diabetic but didn't
> worry about
>> it. She just finished a spaghetti dinner. Her doctor told
> her that her
>> fbg was just a little high - 159 - nothing to worry about
> cause 130
>> was normal.
>
> I haven't given up eating in Italian places. Minestrone soup
> doesn't do me any damage, ymmv. I can get an Italian salad
> (lettuce, cucumber, peppers, onion, tomatoes, fetta cheese
> and nice juicy black olives). Garlic prawns, yum. Oysters.
> They do nice meats or seafood with vegetables, can request
> no potato. Dessert is the only thing I can't find a
> substitute for.
>

I would kill for a huge lasagna

John

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 04:01:43 GMT, "johnniemccoy@"
> wrote:

>
>"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...
>> yeah-sure wrote:
>>> Just talking to an aunt on the phone. Am going to visit in
>> June and
>>> she told me about restaurants she wanted us to go to. Told
>> her I'd
>>> skip the italian fare because of the diabetes... maybe
>> just an
>>> antipasto. She told me she was, also. diabetic but didn't
>> worry about
>>> it. She just finished a spaghetti dinner. Her doctor told
>> her that her
>>> fbg was just a little high - 159 - nothing to worry about
>> cause 130
>>> was normal.
>>
>> I haven't given up eating in Italian places. Minestrone soup
>> doesn't do me any damage, ymmv. I can get an Italian salad
>> (lettuce, cucumber, peppers, onion, tomatoes, fetta cheese
>> and nice juicy black olives). Garlic prawns, yum. Oysters.
>> They do nice meats or seafood with vegetables, can request
>> no potato. Dessert is the only thing I can't find a
>> substitute for.
>>
>
>I would kill for a huge lasagna
>
>John
>

I have no problem with lasagna for dinner; "huge" is the
problem.

So I make one small modification - I share the standard
restaurant serve with my wife. If the restaurant has a
problem with providing an extra plate and cutlery to do
that, she orders the lasagna and I order a small green salad
- and then we split both between us.

There have been restaurants where we still left some of the
enormous serves on our plates after sharing.

You've reminded me - that's one recipe I haven't posted on
the blog. Must do that.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Epidaurus

Alan S > wrote in
:
>
> I have no problem with lasagna for dinner; "huge" is the
> problem.
>
> So I make one small modification - I share the standard
> restaurant serve with my wife. If the restaurant has a
> problem with providing an extra plate and cutlery to do
> that, she orders the lasagna and I order a small green salad
> - and then we split both between us.
>
> There have been restaurants where we still left some of the
> enormous serves on our plates after sharing.
>
> You've reminded me - that's one recipe I haven't posted on
> the blog. Must do that.
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.


I just cut the piece of lasagna in half and ask for a to-go box. Oh,
and I always order a side of meatballs and put one in the to-go box and
eat one there. Then I have lasagna and meatballs for lunch the next
day.

A half-serving of lasagna and a salad or minestrone treats me well, in
more ways than one <g>

Sherry

Sherry wrote:


> I just cut the piece of lasagna in half and ask for a to-go box. Oh,
> and I always order a side of meatballs and put one in the to-go box and
> eat one there. Then I have lasagna and meatballs for lunch the next
> day.
>
> A half-serving of lasagna and a salad or minestrone treats me well, in
> more ways than one <g>
>
> Sherry

Careful with the meatballs. Most of the time they contain bread as a
filler. We always count the carbs in meatballs to be a slice of bread in
2 average sized meatballs. I make them at home with no bread or starchy
fillers.


--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

johnniemccoy@ wrote:
> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
> ...
>> yeah-sure wrote:
>>> Just talking to an aunt on the phone. Am going to visit
in June and
>>> she told me about restaurants she wanted us to go to.
Told her I'd
>>> skip the italian fare because of the diabetes... maybe
just an
>>> antipasto. She told me she was, also. diabetic but
didn't worry
>>> about it. She just finished a spaghetti dinner. Her
doctor told her
>>> that her fbg was just a little high - 159 - nothing to
worry about
>>> cause 130 was normal.
>>
>> I haven't given up eating in Italian places. Minestrone
soup
>> doesn't do me any damage, ymmv. I can get an Italian
salad
>> (lettuce, cucumber, peppers, onion, tomatoes, fetta
cheese
>> and nice juicy black olives). Garlic prawns, yum.
Oysters.
>> They do nice meats or seafood with vegetables, can
request
>> no potato. Dessert is the only thing I can't find a
>> substitute for.
>>
>
> I would kill for a huge lasagna
>
> John

Lasagne doesn't really turn me on, except for my duagher in
law's version. If I was going to have a pasta dish becasue I
really wanted one I would go for a carbonara type with bacon
and mushrooms or alternatively - a bowl of steaming hot
spagetti, add butter, chopped garlic and chili flakes. I
used to eat that type of thing for a snack once

"johnniemccoy@" > wrote in message
news:H0JLh.13719$1a6.6780@trnddc08...
>
> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
> ...
> > yeah-sure wrote:
> >> Just talking to an aunt on the phone. Am going to visit in
> > June and
> >> she told me about restaurants she wanted us to go to. Told
> > her I'd
> >> skip the italian fare because of the diabetes... maybe
> > just an
> >> antipasto. She told me she was, also. diabetic but didn't
> > worry about
> >> it. She just finished a spaghetti dinner. Her doctor told
> > her that her
> >> fbg was just a little high - 159 - nothing to worry about
> > cause 130
> >> was normal.
> >
> > I haven't given up eating in Italian places. Minestrone soup
> > doesn't do me any damage, ymmv. I can get an Italian salad
> > (lettuce, cucumber, peppers, onion, tomatoes, fetta cheese
> > and nice juicy black olives). Garlic prawns, yum. Oysters.
> > They do nice meats or seafood with vegetables, can request
> > no potato. Dessert is the only thing I can't find a
> > substitute for.
> >
>
> I would kill for a huge lasagna
>
> John
>
If you read some on this group, you might kill yourself.

johnniemccoy@ wrote:

>
> I would kill for a huge lasagna

How about a small lasagna made with low-carb noodles. Portion control
works well for some people.


--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
...
> johnniemccoy@ wrote:
>
>>
>> I would kill for a huge lasagna
>
> How about a small lasagna made with low-carb noodles. Portion control
> works well for some people.
>
Naaaa... I want a big, calorie, carb and fat filled lasagna from GiGi's
Restaurant over on the beach. If I can't have that one I'll just eat a small
onion and go to bed.

John

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:44:53 GMT, "johnniemccoy@"
> wrote:

>
>"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
.. .
>> johnniemccoy@ wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I would kill for a huge lasagna
>>
>> How about a small lasagna made with low-carb noodles. Portion control
>> works well for some people.
>>
>Naaaa... I want a big, calorie, carb and fat filled lasagna from GiGi's
>Restaurant over on the beach. If I can't have that one I'll just eat a small
>onion and go to bed.

Awwwww Poor John! Good for the eyes though : )

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.5% BMI 25

johnniemccoy@ > wrote:


: I would kill for a huge lasagna

: John

You can make a great substitute usuing either eggplant sliced
horizontally, lengthwise or zuchinni similarly sliced in place of the
noodles. I often make this for my husband and I. use ur regular recipe,
but make this one change.

Wendy

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:54:25 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
> wrote:

>johnniemccoy@ > wrote:
>
>
>: I would kill for a huge lasagna
>
>: John
>
>You can make a great substitute usuing either eggplant sliced
>horizontally, lengthwise or zuchinni similarly sliced in place of the
>noodles. I often make this for my husband and I. use ur regular recipe,
>but make this one change.

Dreamfields lasagne is good pasta, too. Cook it in a foil tray, John,
then you avoid the cleanup!

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.5% BMI 25

"W. Baker" > wrote in message
...
> johnniemccoy@ > wrote:
>
>
> : I would kill for a huge lasagna
>
> : John
>
> You can make a great substitute usuing either eggplant sliced
> horizontally, lengthwise or zuchinni similarly sliced in place of the
> noodles. I often make this for my husband and I. use ur regular recipe,
> but make this one change.
>
> Wendy
>
I made your lasagna with eggplant. Been eating on it for 3 days....lol.
Turned out to be really tasty. Just finished the last of it tonight. Thanks
for the idea

John
www.diabeticjunkfood.com

"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...


> I haven't given up eating in Italian places. Minestrone soup
> doesn't do me any damage, ymmv. I can get an Italian salad
> (lettuce, cucumber, peppers, onion, tomatoes, fetta cheese
> and nice juicy black olives). Garlic prawns, yum. Oysters.
> They do nice meats or seafood with vegetables, can request
> no potato. Dessert is the only thing I can't find a
> substitute for.

Here a lot of Italian restaurants have little more than pizza and pasta. If
any salads at all, a small green one. There are some places with more
extensive menus, but many have just the cheap, carby stuff.

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:30:49 GMT, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>> I haven't given up eating in Italian places. Minestrone soup
>> doesn't do me any damage, ymmv. I can get an Italian salad
>> (lettuce, cucumber, peppers, onion, tomatoes, fetta cheese
>> and nice juicy black olives). Garlic prawns, yum. Oysters.
>> They do nice meats or seafood with vegetables, can request
>> no potato. Dessert is the only thing I can't find a
>> substitute for.
>
>Here a lot of Italian restaurants have little more than pizza and pasta. If
>any salads at all, a small green one. There are some places with more
>extensive menus, but many have just the cheap, carby stuff.
>
To me that's just a fast food Pizza and Pasta joint. It's
not an Italian restaurant without scallopine, or minestrone,
or the seafood and vegetable dishes Jan mentioned.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Epidaurus

Julie Bove wrote:
> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>> I haven't given up eating in Italian places. Minestrone
soup
>> doesn't do me any damage, ymmv. I can get an Italian
salad
>> (lettuce, cucumber, peppers, onion, tomatoes, fetta
cheese
>> and nice juicy black olives). Garlic prawns, yum.
Oysters.
>> They do nice meats or seafood with vegetables, can
request
>> no potato. Dessert is the only thing I can't find a
>> substitute for.
>
> Here a lot of Italian restaurants have little more than
pizza and
> pasta. If any salads at all, a small green one. There
are some
> places with more extensive menus, but many have just the
cheap, carby
> stuff.

That's disappointing. I find the places that serve mostly
pasta and pizzas are the chain places like Spaghetti Factory
etc. The real deal Italian restaurants are a totally
different kettle of fish.

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:58:43 +1100, "Ozgirl"
> wrote:

> Dessert is the only thing I can't find a
>substitute for.

Those little tiny expresso cups with evilly dark chocolate mousse are
usually OK for me. Italian is just about the only place I eat 3
courses in these days - I like a mozarella, tomato and basil starter,
a Salade Nicoise for main, and the choc thing for pud. Mmmmmm : )

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.5% BMI 25

I love the chicken scaloppini at the Macaroni Grill...it comes with pasta .
I may eat a tbsp of pasta and half of the scaloppini..then bring the other
half home for lunch the next day. They now serve it with chicken and
shrimp..that is even double yummy
jacquie
"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...
> yeah-sure wrote:
>> Just talking to an aunt on the phone. Am going to visit in
> June and
>> she told me about restaurants she wanted us to go to. Told
> her I'd
>> skip the italian fare because of the diabetes... maybe
> just an
>> antipasto. She told me she was, also. diabetic but didn't
> worry about
>> it. She just finished a spaghetti dinner. Her doctor told
> her that her
>> fbg was just a little high - 159 - nothing to worry about
> cause 130
>> was normal.
>
> I haven't given up eating in Italian places. Minestrone soup
> doesn't do me any damage, ymmv. I can get an Italian salad
> (lettuce, cucumber, peppers, onion, tomatoes, fetta cheese
> and nice juicy black olives). Garlic prawns, yum. Oysters.
> They do nice meats or seafood with vegetables, can request
> no potato. Dessert is the only thing I can't find a
> substitute for.
>

"yeah-sure" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Just talking to an aunt on the phone. Am going to visit in June and
> she told me about restaurants she wanted us to go to. Told her I'd
> skip the italian fare because of the diabetes... maybe just an
> antipasto. She told me she was, also. diabetic but didn't worry about
> it. She just finished a spaghetti dinner. Her doctor told her that her
> fbg was just a little high - 159 - nothing to worry about cause 130
> was normal.

Actually Italian can work well if they have the right things on the menu. A
Caprice, Caprese or however they spell it, salad is low carb. It's slices
of fresh mozzarella layered with tomato slices, basil leaves and drizzled
with olive oil and balsamic vinegar. I used to get that (back when I didn't
know of my dairy allergy) along with a green salad, and if my BG were low
enough I'd have a piece or two of bread. Or I might get soup. Again, it
depends on the restaurant and how carby their soups are. Ravioli was
another dish that worked well for me provided the serving was not too large.

At Olive Garden (never my first choice), I'd get the soup/salad/breadsticks
lunch. At part of my soup, a lot of salad and no breadsticks.

Currently we go to the Old Spaghetti Factory for gluten free pasta. I get
mine with the meat sauce and give a small amount of it to my daughter. She
gets the child sized portion and it isn't enough for her. The regular
portion is too much for me. We also have plain salads, no croutons or
dressing. And no bread. We're allergic.

I realize at times I can eat more carbs than many type 2's. Lately I've
found I can eat a child's size meal in a Mexican restaurant with no
problems. I don't know why. Don't know if it's because I have some of my
other medical problems under control or if my insulin resistance is down
because I've finally lost enough weight. Hard to say, but I'm not
complaining.

I also realize that most Drs. seem very clueless about diabetes and will say
our numbers are fine even when we think they are not. I've gone to the Dr.
because my BG was in the 200's for days on end and they just smile and tell
me I'm doing fine. After all, hypos are more dangerous then high BG! I
dread having to go to the Dr. with hypos listed in my book because they tend
to freak. At least my current Endo. seems better about it. I've never seen
him freak. He is less concerned than I am when I get the high numbers, but
I also realize that he probably feels there isn't much he can do about it.
For me, I just have to realize that I will have times of high numbers, times
of hypos and other times when things seem fine. I just have to muddle along
as best I can. I have so many medical problems that complicate things and
so many dietary restrictions. I produce waaay too much insulin and some
meds are just not effective for me or cause bad side effects.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
news:dfJLh.9315$282.5660@trndny04...
>
> "yeah-sure" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> Just talking to an aunt on the phone. Am going to visit in June and
>> she told me about restaurants she wanted us to go to. Told her I'd
>> skip the italian fare because of the diabetes... maybe just an
>> antipasto. She told me she was, also. diabetic but didn't worry about
>> it. She just finished a spaghetti dinner. Her doctor told her that her
>> fbg was just a little high - 159 - nothing to worry about cause 130
>> was normal.
>
> Actually Italian can work well if they have the right things on the menu.
> A Caprice, Caprese or however they spell it, salad is low carb. It's
> slices of fresh mozzarella layered with tomato slices, basil leaves and
> drizzled with olive oil and balsamic vinegar. I used to get that (back
> when I didn't know of my dairy allergy) along with a green salad, and if
> my BG were low enough I'd have a piece or two of bread. Or I might get
> soup. Again, it depends on the restaurant and how carby their soups are.
> Ravioli was another dish that worked well for me provided the serving was
> not too large.
>
> At Olive Garden (never my first choice), I'd get the
> soup/salad/breadsticks lunch. At part of my soup, a lot of salad and no
> breadsticks.
>
> Currently we go to the Old Spaghetti Factory for gluten free pasta. I get
> mine with the meat sauce and give a small amount of it to my daughter.
> She gets the child sized portion and it isn't enough for her. The regular
> portion is too much for me. We also have plain salads, no croutons or
> dressing. And no bread. We're allergic.
>
> I realize at times I can eat more carbs than many type 2's. Lately I've
> found I can eat a child's size meal in a Mexican restaurant with no
> problems. I don't know why. Don't know if it's because I have some of my
> other medical problems under control or if my insulin resistance is down
> because I've finally lost enough weight. Hard to say, but I'm not
> complaining.
>
> I also realize that most Drs. seem very clueless about diabetes and will
> say our numbers are fine even when we think they are not. I've gone to
> the Dr. because my BG was in the 200's for days on end and they just smile
> and tell me I'm doing fine. After all, hypos are more dangerous then high
> BG! I dread having to go to the Dr. with hypos listed in my book because
> they tend to freak. At least my current Endo. seems better about it.
> I've never seen him freak. He is less concerned than I am when I get the
> high numbers, but I also realize that he probably feels there isn't much
> he can do about it. For me, I just have to realize that I will have times
> of high numbers, times of hypos and other times when things seem fine. I
> just have to muddle along as best I can. I have so many medical problems
> that complicate things and so many dietary restrictions. I produce waaay
> too much insulin and some meds are just not effective for me or cause bad
> side effects.
>
I haven't experimented too much with restaurants.. usually stick to the
steak houses. Guess I should.

John

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
news:dfJLh.9315$282.5660@trndny04...
> I also realize that most Drs. seem very clueless about diabetes and will
> say our numbers are fine even when we think they are not. I've gone to
> the Dr. because my BG was in the 200's for days on end and they just smile
> and tell me I'm doing fine.

Not surprising given the absurdly high threshold for an official diagnosis
of diabetes on a RANDOM blood glucose reading:

One has diabetes if his RANDOM reading is equal to or greater than 200
mg/dl plus classic symptoms, or greater than 200 mg/dl without symptoms but
with family history.

Historically, there was a concern about the high number of false positives
connected with random readings and the insurance problems that misdiagnosed
non-diabetic patients would encounter.

Unfortunately, too many doctors are blasé about such readings that more
informed doctors and patients know to be serious.

http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~wuhsi/diabetic.html