hi ... new to this group,

I was reading a post from a person from MO and got to thinking about how so
many hate winter.

We live in northern Michigan and can relate to winter problems. We live 7
miles from a grocery store therefore we keep a supply of food on hand to
tide us over. Dee and I really
'feel" for all of you south of us. We do love winter and don't fight it,
just go along with it. I photograph during the winter and it's a good
exercise for me to get out and walk and take my pictures. Six inches is
about the max I can handle. We do have our drive plowed if we get 4 inches
or more and our 4 wheel "snow tank" gets us out just fine. (3/4 ton white
pickup).

The recipes posted here sound really good and I've printed out a bunch ....
Now to get my wife interested as she and I both love sweets.

I do have problems with diabetes and have been studying about alpha lipoic
acid and vitamin c and am about to start trying ALA at 300mg / day along
with vitamin c at 500 mg / day. My A1c is around 6.7 and I have a problem
with my feet and left eye seems to be getting a little blurry. I'll be to
the Doctor in about a week with my list of problems.

Just lurking here shows me what a caring group this is and I'm glad I found
you.

Bill

"bill" > wrote in message
...
: hi ... new to this group,
:
: I was reading a post from a person from MO and got to thinking about how
so
: many hate winter.
:
: We live in northern Michigan and can relate to winter problems. We live 7
: miles from a grocery store therefore we keep a supply of food on hand to
: tide us over. Dee and I really
: 'feel" for all of you south of us. We do love winter and don't fight it,
: just go along with it. I photograph during the winter and it's a good
: exercise for me to get out and walk and take my pictures. Six inches is
: about the max I can handle. We do have our drive plowed if we get 4 inches
: or more and our 4 wheel "snow tank" gets us out just fine. (3/4 ton white
: pickup).
:
: The recipes posted here sound really good and I've printed out a bunch
.....
: Now to get my wife interested as she and I both love sweets.
:
: I do have problems with diabetes and have been studying about alpha lipoic
: acid and vitamin c and am about to start trying ALA at 300mg / day along
: with vitamin c at 500 mg / day. My A1c is around 6.7 and I have a problem
: with my feet and left eye seems to be getting a little blurry. I'll be to
: the Doctor in about a week with my list of problems.
:
: Just lurking here shows me what a caring group this is and I'm glad I
found
: you.
:
: Bill

Hi Bill,
I'm originally from Northern Wisconsin(yes a cheesehead), but got tired of
shoveling our roof, so we moved to Arizona 3 years ago. I really don't miss
the snow & the cold, but can drive 20 minutes to it, if we get the
urge(NOT!) lol. Today we are expecting mostly sunny skies and a high of 66.
ahhhhhhhh

Converting to a lower carb life-style can be a challenge, but burning feet &
blurry vision can be a great motivator(been there). Glad to hear you are
seeing a doctor soon. In addition to this place you might stop by and say
"HI" in Alt.Support.Diabetes. As with any group, some border on being
fanatical & others just down right weird. Take the info you want from the
group and let the rest slide. As a whole they are a good bunch of people and
can give you some good advice on ways to control your diabetes.

Hope to see you there.
DesertHare

In article >,
"bill" > wrote:

> hi ... new to this group,
>
> I was reading a post from a person from MO and got to thinking about how so
> many hate winter.
>
> We live in northern Michigan and can relate to winter problems. We live 7
> miles from a grocery store therefore we keep a supply of food on hand to
> tide us over. Dee and I really
> 'feel" for all of you south of us. We do love winter and don't fight it,
> just go along with it. I photograph during the winter and it's a good
> exercise for me to get out and walk and take my pictures. Six inches is
> about the max I can handle. We do have our drive plowed if we get 4 inches
> or more and our 4 wheel "snow tank" gets us out just fine. (3/4 ton white
> pickup).
>
> The recipes posted here sound really good and I've printed out a bunch ....
> Now to get my wife interested as she and I both love sweets.
>
> I do have problems with diabetes and have been studying about alpha lipoic
> acid and vitamin c and am about to start trying ALA at 300mg / day along
> with vitamin c at 500 mg / day. My A1c is around 6.7 and I have a problem
> with my feet and left eye seems to be getting a little blurry. I'll be to
> the Doctor in about a week with my list of problems.
>
> Just lurking here shows me what a caring group this is and I'm glad I found
> you.

Bill, you might want to go on over to alt.support.diabetes for more
suppport. There're a few problematic posters there, but if you can wade
through the dreck and sift out the grain from the chaff (messy
combination of metaphors), there's some gold to be found there.

Priscilla

"Priscilla H. Ballou" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "bill" > wrote:
>
>> hi ... new to this group,
>>
>> I was reading a post from a person from MO and got to thinking about how
>> so
>> many hate winter.
>>
>> We live in northern Michigan and can relate to winter problems. We live 7
>> miles from a grocery store therefore we keep a supply of food on hand to
>> tide us over. Dee and I really
>> 'feel" for all of you south of us. We do love winter and don't fight
>> it,
>> just go along with it. I photograph during the winter and it's a good
>> exercise for me to get out and walk and take my pictures. Six inches is
>> about the max I can handle. We do have our drive plowed if we get 4
>> inches
>> or more and our 4 wheel "snow tank" gets us out just fine. (3/4 ton white
>> pickup).
>>
>> The recipes posted here sound really good and I've printed out a bunch
>> ....
>> Now to get my wife interested as she and I both love sweets.
>>
>> I do have problems with diabetes and have been studying about alpha
>> lipoic
>> acid and vitamin c and am about to start trying ALA at 300mg / day along
>> with vitamin c at 500 mg / day. My A1c is around 6.7 and I have a problem
>> with my feet and left eye seems to be getting a little blurry. I'll be
>> to
>> the Doctor in about a week with my list of problems.
>>
>> Just lurking here shows me what a caring group this is and I'm glad I
>> found
>> you.
>
> Bill, you might want to go on over to alt.support.diabetes for more
> suppport. There're a few problematic posters there, but if you can wade
> through the dreck and sift out the grain from the chaff (messy
> combination of metaphors), there's some gold to be found there.
>
> Priscilla

I've been over there as a lurker and that group really leaves me wondering
about their creditability ... I'm just not sure of what's being posted is
fact. Bill

Nobody does at first Bill. Jennifers's advice is always a great starting
point. Print it out, take it to the doctor with you, and see what he/she
says. Best of luck to you.

Cheri



bill wrote in message ...
>I've been over there as a lurker and that group really leaves me
wondering
>about their creditability ... I'm just not sure of what's being posted
is
>fact. Bill

Hi Bill...

I'm originally from the east coast, but now live in Los Angeles, and I
tell you I do miss the winter. The fresh fallen snow is so beautiful,
and since I'm not the one who ever had to shovel ; ) it was always nice
for me!

I'm sorry to hear about your complications. Before your next doctor's
visit, you might want to do some extensive testing and keep a log. It
will help you and your doc pinpoint your trouble spots.

Here's the advice I give to newbies who want to get an idea of their
control.

Sounds like you're planning a move to take control of your diabetes... good
for you.

There is so much to absorb... you don't have to rush into anything. Begin
by using your best weapon in this war, your meter. You won't keel over
today, you have time to experiment, test, learn, test and figure out just
how your body and this disease are getting along. The most important
thing you can do to learn about yourself and diabetes is test test test.

More than most anything, what you eat will affect your diabetes and
your blood glucose numbers.

And more than anything you eat, carbs will affect your diabetes and
your blood glucose numbers.

So, the most important information you can begin to compile about
yourself, is how your body handles carbs.

This sounds like you would need a low carb food plan right?

You don't... what you need to uncover is YOUR Personalized Carb Number.

Which actually works better for most everyone. Because low to one
person is wildly high to another, but waaaaay too low for someone
else.

Is low carb less than 30g a day? Is it anything less than the
Pyramid reccomendations?

Finding your Personalized Carb Number is easy.

Here's how you can figure out your own Personalized Carb Number.

The single biggest question a diabetic has to answer is:

What do I eat?

Unfortunately, the answer is pretty confusing.

What confounds us all is the fact that different diabetics can get great
results on wildly different food plans. Some of us here achieve
great blood glucose control eating a high complex carbohydrate diet.
Others find that anything over 75 - 100g of carbs a day is too
much. Still others are somewhere in between.

At the beginning all of us felt frustrated. We wanted to be handed
THE way to eat, to ensure our continued health. But we all
learned that there is no one way. Each of us had to find our own path,
using the experience of those that went before, but still having
to discover for ourselves how OUR bodies and this disease were coexisting.

Ask questions, but remember each of us discovered on our own what works best
for us. You can use our experiences as jumping off points, but eventually
you'll work up a successful plan that is yours alone.

What you are looking to discover is how different foods affect you. As I'm
sure you've read, carbohydrates (sugars, wheat, rice... the things our
Grandmas called "starches") raise blood sugars the most rapidly. Protein
and fat do raise them, but not as high and much more slowly... so if you're
a T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may take care of the rise.

You might want to try some experiments.

First: Eat whatever you've been
currently eating... but write it all down.
Test yourself at the following times:

Upon waking (fasting)
1 hour after each meal
2 hours after each meal
At bedtime

That means 8 x each day. What you will discover by this is how long
after a meal your highest reading comes... and how fast you return to
"normal". Also, you may see that a meal that included bread, fruit or
other carbs gives you a higher reading.

Then for the next few days, try to curb your carbs. Eliminate breads,
cereals, rices, beans, any wheat products, potato, corn, fruit... get all
your carbs from veggies. Test at the same schedule above.

If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty damn good
readings. It's worth a few days to discover.

Eventually you can slowly add back carbs until you see them affecting your
meter.

The thing about this disease... though we share much in common and we
need to
follow certain guidelines... in the end, each of our bodies dictate our
treatment and our success.

The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater chance we have of
avoiding horrible complications. The key here is AIM... I know that
everyone is at a different point in their disease... and it is progressive.
But, if we aim for the best numbers and do our best, we give ourselves the
best shot at heath we've got.
That's all we can do.

Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-diabetic numbers.

FBG under 100
One hour after meals under 140
Two hours after meals under 120

or for those in the mmol parts of the world:

Fasting Under 6
One hour after meals Under 8
Two hours after meals Under 6.5

Recent studies have indicated that the most important numbers are your
"after meal" numbers. They may be the most indicative of future
complications, especially heart problems.

Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your diabetic
care team. While his /her advice is learned, it is not absolute. You
will end up knowing much more about your body and how it's handling
diabetes than your doctor will. Your meter is your best weapon.

Just remember, we're not in a race or a competition with anyone but
ourselves... Play around with your food plan... TEST TEST TEST. Learn what
foods cause spikes, what foods cause cravings... Use your body as a science
experiment.

You'll read about a lot of different ways people use to control their
diabetes... Many are diametrically opposed. After awhile you'll learn that
there is no one size fits all around here. Take some time to experiment
and you'll soon discover the plan that works for you.

Best of luck!

Jennifer


bill wrote:

> hi ... new to this group,
>
> I was reading a post from a person from MO and got to thinking about how so
> many hate winter.
>
> We live in northern Michigan and can relate to winter problems. We live 7
> miles from a grocery store therefore we keep a supply of food on hand to
> tide us over. Dee and I really
> 'feel" for all of you south of us. We do love winter and don't fight it,
> just go along with it. I photograph during the winter and it's a good
> exercise for me to get out and walk and take my pictures. Six inches is
> about the max I can handle. We do have our drive plowed if we get 4 inches
> or more and our 4 wheel "snow tank" gets us out just fine. (3/4 ton white
> pickup).
>
> The recipes posted here sound really good and I've printed out a bunch ....
> Now to get my wife interested as she and I both love sweets.
>
> I do have problems with diabetes and have been studying about alpha lipoic
> acid and vitamin c and am about to start trying ALA at 300mg / day along
> with vitamin c at 500 mg / day. My A1c is around 6.7 and I have a problem
> with my feet and left eye seems to be getting a little blurry. I'll be to
> the Doctor in about a week with my list of problems.
>
> Just lurking here shows me what a caring group this is and I'm glad I found
> you.
>
> Bill
>
>

In article >,
"bill" > wrote:

> "Priscilla H. Ballou" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "bill" > wrote:
> >
> >> hi ... new to this group,
> >>
> >> I was reading a post from a person from MO and got to thinking about how
> >> so
> >> many hate winter.
> >>
> >> We live in northern Michigan and can relate to winter problems. We live 7
> >> miles from a grocery store therefore we keep a supply of food on hand to
> >> tide us over. Dee and I really
> >> 'feel" for all of you south of us. We do love winter and don't fight
> >> it,
> >> just go along with it. I photograph during the winter and it's a good
> >> exercise for me to get out and walk and take my pictures. Six inches is
> >> about the max I can handle. We do have our drive plowed if we get 4
> >> inches
> >> or more and our 4 wheel "snow tank" gets us out just fine. (3/4 ton white
> >> pickup).
> >>
> >> The recipes posted here sound really good and I've printed out a bunch
> >> ....
> >> Now to get my wife interested as she and I both love sweets.
> >>
> >> I do have problems with diabetes and have been studying about alpha
> >> lipoic
> >> acid and vitamin c and am about to start trying ALA at 300mg / day along
> >> with vitamin c at 500 mg / day. My A1c is around 6.7 and I have a problem
> >> with my feet and left eye seems to be getting a little blurry. I'll be
> >> to
> >> the Doctor in about a week with my list of problems.
> >>
> >> Just lurking here shows me what a caring group this is and I'm glad I
> >> found
> >> you.
> >
> > Bill, you might want to go on over to alt.support.diabetes for more
> > suppport. There're a few problematic posters there, but if you can wade
> > through the dreck and sift out the grain from the chaff (messy
> > combination of metaphors), there's some gold to be found there.
> >
> > Priscilla
>
> I've been over there as a lurker and that group really leaves me wondering
> about their creditability ... I'm just not sure of what's being posted is
> fact. Bill

You can trust OldAl, Alan S., Susan, Quentin, Jennifer, Chris, Nicky,
and a few others. Kurt, Tom, RK, Chung, Iron Tom, Beav, and a few
others are, IMO, not worth the powder needed to blow them up. It's
important to know who's T1 and who's T2. Once you get that straight, a
lot of the conflicts will make more sense. (T1 and T2 can be treated
VERY differently.) Well, except for those who are just plain off their
rocker, like Chung.

Priscilla

bill > wrote:
: hi ... new to this group,

: I was reading a post from a person from MO and got to thinking about how so
: many hate winter.

: We live in northern Michigan and can relate to winter problems. We live 7
: miles from a grocery store therefore we keep a supply of food on hand to
: tide us over. Dee and I really
: 'feel" for all of you south of us. We do love winter and don't fight it,
: just go along with it. I photograph during the winter and it's a good
: exercise for me to get out and walk and take my pictures. Six inches is
: about the max I can handle. We do have our drive plowed if we get 4 inches
: or more and our 4 wheel "snow tank" gets us out just fine. (3/4 ton white
: pickup).

: The recipes posted here sound really good and I've printed out a bunch ....
: Now to get my wife interested as she and I both love sweets.

: I do have problems with diabetes and have been studying about alpha lipoic
: acid and vitamin c and am about to start trying ALA at 300mg / day along
: with vitamin c at 500 mg / day. My A1c is around 6.7 and I have a problem
: with my feet and left eye seems to be getting a little blurry. I'll be to
: the Doctor in about a week with my list of problems.

: Just lurking here shows me what a caring group this is and I'm glad I found
: you.

: Bill

Just a note form the "eye police" Get thee to an opthamologist for a
fully dilated eye exam and do it SOON. You don't want to endanger your
sight!!!

Wendy-founder "eye police":-)

good summary Priscilla

then take out all the people who answer Ch*ng as
well

Ch*ng searches ALL groups for his name, so i won't
put his name in a post

Bill.... go to the web site below and read what
they have to say about diabetic-periferal
neuropathy .......... you might find some useful
information

kate
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"Priscilla H. Ballou" wrote in message
...
> In article
>,
> "bill" > wrote:
>
> > "Priscilla H. Ballou" >
wrote in message
> >
...
> > > In article
>,
> > > "bill" > wrote:
> > >
> > >> hi ... new to this group,
> > >>
> > >> I was reading a post from a person from MO
and got to thinking about how
> > >> so
> > >> many hate winter.
> > >>
> > >> We live in northern Michigan and can relate
to winter problems. We live 7
> > >> miles from a grocery store therefore we
keep a supply of food on hand to
> > >> tide us over. Dee and I really
> > >> 'feel" for all of you south of us. We do
love winter and don't fight
> > >> it,
> > >> just go along with it. I photograph during
the winter and it's a good
> > >> exercise for me to get out and walk and
take my pictures. Six inches is
> > >> about the max I can handle. We do have our
drive plowed if we get 4
> > >> inches
> > >> or more and our 4 wheel "snow tank" gets us
out just fine. (3/4 ton white
> > >> pickup).
> > >>
> > >> The recipes posted here sound really good
and I've printed out a bunch
> > >> ....
> > >> Now to get my wife interested as she and I
both love sweets.
> > >>
> > >> I do have problems with diabetes and have
been studying about alpha
> > >> lipoic
> > >> acid and vitamin c and am about to start
trying ALA at 300mg / day along
> > >> with vitamin c at 500 mg / day. My A1c is
around 6.7 and I have a problem
> > >> with my feet and left eye seems to be
getting a little blurry. I'll be
> > >> to
> > >> the Doctor in about a week with my list of
problems.
> > >>
> > >> Just lurking here shows me what a caring
group this is and I'm glad I
> > >> found
> > >> you.
> > >
> > > Bill, you might want to go on over to
alt.support.diabetes for more
> > > suppport. There're a few problematic
posters there, but if you can wade
> > > through the dreck and sift out the grain
from the chaff (messy
> > > combination of metaphors), there's some gold
to be found there.
> > >
> > > Priscilla
> >
> > I've been over there as a lurker and that
group really leaves me wondering
> > about their creditability ... I'm just not
sure of what's being posted is
> > fact. Bill
>
> You can trust OldAl, Alan S., Susan, Quentin,
Jennifer, Chris, Nicky,
> and a few others. Kurt, Tom, RK, Ch*ng, Iron
Tom, Beav, and a few
> others are, IMO, not worth the powder needed to
blow them up. It's
> important to know who's T1 and who's T2. Once
you get that straight, a
> lot of the conflicts will make more sense. (T1
and T2 can be treated
> VERY differently.) Well, except for those who
are just plain off their
> rocker, like Ch*ng.
>
> Priscilla

"TigerLily" > wrote in message
...
> good summary Priscilla
>
> then take out all the people who answer Ch*ng as
> well
>
> Ch*ng searches ALL groups for his name, so i won't
> put his name in a post
>
> Bill.... go to the web site below and read what
> they have to say about diabetic-periferal
> neuropathy .......... you might find some useful
> information
>
> kate
> --
> Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet
> /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk
> More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/
> http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm
> I have no medical qualifications beyond my own
> experience.
> Choose your advisers carefully, because experience
> can be
> an expensive teacher.
>
> "Priscilla H. Ballou" wrote in message
> ...
>> In article
> >,
>> "bill" > wrote:
>>
>> > "Priscilla H. Ballou" >
> wrote in message
>> >
> ...
>> > > In article
> >,
>> > > "bill" > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> hi ... new to this group,
>> > >>
>> > >> I was reading a post from a person from MO
> and got to thinking about how
>> > >> so
>> > >> many hate winter.
>> > >>
>> > >> We live in northern Michigan and can relate
> to winter problems. We live 7
>> > >> miles from a grocery store therefore we
> keep a supply of food on hand to
>> > >> tide us over. Dee and I really
>> > >> 'feel" for all of you south of us. We do
> love winter and don't fight
>> > >> it,
>> > >> just go along with it. I photograph during
> the winter and it's a good
>> > >> exercise for me to get out and walk and
> take my pictures. Six inches is
>> > >> about the max I can handle. We do have our
> drive plowed if we get 4
>> > >> inches
>> > >> or more and our 4 wheel "snow tank" gets us
> out just fine. (3/4 ton white
>> > >> pickup).
>> > >>
>> > >> The recipes posted here sound really good
> and I've printed out a bunch
>> > >> ....
>> > >> Now to get my wife interested as she and I
> both love sweets.
>> > >>
>> > >> I do have problems with diabetes and have
> been studying about alpha
>> > >> lipoic
>> > >> acid and vitamin c and am about to start
> trying ALA at 300mg / day along
>> > >> with vitamin c at 500 mg / day. My A1c is
> around 6.7 and I have a problem
>> > >> with my feet and left eye seems to be
> getting a little blurry. I'll be
>> > >> to
>> > >> the Doctor in about a week with my list of
> problems.
>> > >>
>> > >> Just lurking here shows me what a caring
> group this is and I'm glad I
>> > >> found
>> > >> you.
>> > >
>> > > Bill, you might want to go on over to
> alt.support.diabetes for more
>> > > suppport. There're a few problematic
> posters there, but if you can wade
>> > > through the dreck and sift out the grain
> from the chaff (messy
>> > > combination of metaphors), there's some gold
> to be found there.
>> > >
>> > > Priscilla
>> >
>> > I've been over there as a lurker and that
> group really leaves me wondering
>> > about their creditability ... I'm just not
> sure of what's being posted is
>> > fact. Bill
>>
>> You can trust OldAl, Alan S., Susan, Quentin,
> Jennifer, Chris, Nicky,
>> and a few others. Kurt, Tom, RK, Ch*ng, Iron
> Tom, Beav, and a few
>> others are, IMO, not worth the powder needed to
> blow them up. It's
>> important to know who's T1 and who's T2. Once
> you get that straight, a
>> lot of the conflicts will make more sense. (T1
> and T2 can be treated
>> VERY differently.) Well, except for those who
> are just plain off their
>> rocker, like Ch*ng.
>>
>> Priscilla
>
>
Thanks,

I figured pretty much the same .... Not really difficult to do. Also some of
the recipes given here are questionable but I can figure that out and leave
them alone. Many recipes given here really sound good and we're trying them
out. Caramelized onions...hmmmm, are they hi carb. ?
They do get sweet tasting.

I see in other groups that Splenda is not a good thing. I'm sure glad it's
available and do know of its shortcomings in baking etc and I use it but my
craving for sweets has diminished. Coffee tastes better to me black and if
I do treat myself to pancakes now and then I use plain yogurt, which I like,
on them. Splenda and imitation maple flavoring might be good though.

I'll be contributing recipes later for sure.

Bill

"Jennifer" > wrote in message
link.net...
> Hi Bill...
>
> I'm originally from the east coast, but now live in Los Angeles, and I
> tell you I do miss the winter. The fresh fallen snow is so beautiful,
> and since I'm not the one who ever had to shovel ; ) it was always nice
> for me!
>
> I'm sorry to hear about your complications. Before your next doctor's
> visit, you might want to do some extensive testing and keep a log. It
> will help you and your doc pinpoint your trouble spots.
>
> Here's the advice I give to newbies who want to get an idea of their
> control.
>
> Sounds like you're planning a move to take control of your diabetes...
> good
> for you.
>
> There is so much to absorb... you don't have to rush into anything. Begin
> by using your best weapon in this war, your meter. You won't keel over
> today, you have time to experiment, test, learn, test and figure out just
> how your body and this disease are getting along. The most important
> thing you can do to learn about yourself and diabetes is test test test.
>
> More than most anything, what you eat will affect your diabetes and
> your blood glucose numbers.
>
> And more than anything you eat, carbs will affect your diabetes and
> your blood glucose numbers.
>
> So, the most important information you can begin to compile about
> yourself, is how your body handles carbs.
>
> This sounds like you would need a low carb food plan right?
>
> You don't... what you need to uncover is YOUR Personalized Carb Number.
>
> Which actually works better for most everyone. Because low to one
> person is wildly high to another, but waaaaay too low for someone
> else.
>
> Is low carb less than 30g a day? Is it anything less than the
> Pyramid reccomendations?
>
> Finding your Personalized Carb Number is easy.
>
> Here's how you can figure out your own Personalized Carb Number.
>
> The single biggest question a diabetic has to answer is:
>
> What do I eat?
>
> Unfortunately, the answer is pretty confusing.
>
> What confounds us all is the fact that different diabetics can get great
> results on wildly different food plans. Some of us here achieve
> great blood glucose control eating a high complex carbohydrate diet.
> Others find that anything over 75 - 100g of carbs a day is too
> much. Still others are somewhere in between.
>
> At the beginning all of us felt frustrated. We wanted to be handed
> THE way to eat, to ensure our continued health. But we all
> learned that there is no one way. Each of us had to find our own path,
> using the experience of those that went before, but still having
> to discover for ourselves how OUR bodies and this disease were coexisting.
>
> Ask questions, but remember each of us discovered on our own what works
> best
> for us. You can use our experiences as jumping off points, but eventually
> you'll work up a successful plan that is yours alone.
>
> What you are looking to discover is how different foods affect you. As
> I'm
> sure you've read, carbohydrates (sugars, wheat, rice... the things our
> Grandmas called "starches") raise blood sugars the most rapidly. Protein
> and fat do raise them, but not as high and much more slowly... so if
> you're
> a T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may take care of the
> rise.
>
> You might want to try some experiments.
>
> First: Eat whatever you've been
> currently eating... but write it all down.
> Test yourself at the following times:
>
> Upon waking (fasting)
> 1 hour after each meal
> 2 hours after each meal
> At bedtime
>
> That means 8 x each day. What you will discover by this is how long
> after a meal your highest reading comes... and how fast you return to
> "normal". Also, you may see that a meal that included bread, fruit or
> other carbs gives you a higher reading.
>
> Then for the next few days, try to curb your carbs. Eliminate breads,
> cereals, rices, beans, any wheat products, potato, corn, fruit... get all
> your carbs from veggies. Test at the same schedule above.
>
> If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty damn good
> readings. It's worth a few days to discover.
>
> Eventually you can slowly add back carbs until you see them affecting your
> meter.
>
> The thing about this disease... though we share much in common and we need
> to
> follow certain guidelines... in the end, each of our bodies dictate our
> treatment and our success.
>
> The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater chance we have of
> avoiding horrible complications. The key here is AIM... I know that
> everyone is at a different point in their disease... and it is
> progressive.
> But, if we aim for the best numbers and do our best, we give ourselves the
> best shot at heath we've got.
> That's all we can do.
>
> Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-diabetic
> numbers.
>
> FBG under 100
> One hour after meals under 140
> Two hours after meals under 120
>
> or for those in the mmol parts of the world:
>
> Fasting Under 6
> One hour after meals Under 8
> Two hours after meals Under 6.5
>
> Recent studies have indicated that the most important numbers are your
> "after meal" numbers. They may be the most indicative of future
> complications, especially heart problems.
>
> Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your diabetic
> care team. While his /her advice is learned, it is not absolute. You
> will end up knowing much more about your body and how it's handling
> diabetes than your doctor will. Your meter is your best weapon.
>
> Just remember, we're not in a race or a competition with anyone but
> ourselves... Play around with your food plan... TEST TEST TEST. Learn
> what
> foods cause spikes, what foods cause cravings... Use your body as a
> science
> experiment.
>
> You'll read about a lot of different ways people use to control their
> diabetes... Many are diametrically opposed. After awhile you'll learn that
> there is no one size fits all around here. Take some time to experiment
> and you'll soon discover the plan that works for you.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Jennifer
>
>
> bill wrote:
>
>> hi ... new to this group,
>>
>> I was reading a post from a person from MO and got to thinking about how
>> so many hate winter.
>>
>> We live in northern Michigan and can relate to winter problems. We live 7
>> miles from a grocery store therefore we keep a supply of food on hand to
>> tide us over. Dee and I really
>> 'feel" for all of you south of us. We do love winter and don't fight
>> it, just go along with it. I photograph during the winter and it's a
>> good exercise for me to get out and walk and take my pictures. Six inches
>> is about the max I can handle. We do have our drive plowed if we get 4
>> inches or more and our 4 wheel "snow tank" gets us out just fine. (3/4
>> ton white pickup).
>>
>> The recipes posted here sound really good and I've printed out a bunch
>> .... Now to get my wife interested as she and I both love sweets.
>>
>> I do have problems with diabetes and have been studying about alpha
>> lipoic acid and vitamin c and am about to start trying ALA at 300mg / day
>> along with vitamin c at 500 mg / day. My A1c is around 6.7 and I have a
>> problem with my feet and left eye seems to be getting a little blurry.
>> I'll be to the Doctor in about a week with my list of problems.
>>
>> Just lurking here shows me what a caring group this is and I'm glad I
>> found you.
>>
>> Bill
>We got 2 more inches of snow today and it's 20 degrees out .very pretty and
>no wind.Had a hawk in one of our trees this afternoon no wonder the
>squirrels were missing.
Yes lots of testing again. My doctor feels that I am one that will have a
higher average but that wasn't tested. As you pointed out testing really is
the most accurate way to verify medicine and diet. I'm guessing I may have
my dosage increased. We'll see in a week or so. I see him every 3 months.
I've found out about this about five years ago and was at 400+ then. Better
now
and have lost 40 lbs

Testing ... The high cost of failure. lol (failing to eat properly while
having this disease)

Bill

In article >,
"bill" > wrote:

> I figured pretty much the same .... Not really difficult to do. Also some of
> the recipes given here are questionable but I can figure that out and leave
> them alone. Many recipes given here really sound good and we're trying them
> out. Caramelized onions...hmmmm, are they hi carb. ?
> They do get sweet tasting.

Yeah, there's sugar in onions and caramelizing them (cooking them slowly
in butter or oil) will bring that out, but you don't eat a whole
plateful of them. Or do you? (Actually, with liver and bacon...)

> I see in other groups that Splenda is not a good thing.

Nothing wrong with Splenda as long as you're not someone like me to whom
it tastes like I'm sucking pennies. Well, a small amount in a high
dairy dish is OK.

I like erythritol now.

> I'm sure glad it's
> available and do know of its shortcomings in baking etc and I use it but my
> craving for sweets has diminished.

I made some sweet and sour pork and peppers using erythritol instead of
sugar the other day. It wasn't as sweet as I was anticipating, but I
ended up liking it more as sour as it was. Very tangy and good!

> Coffee tastes better to me black and if
> I do treat myself to pancakes now and then I use plain yogurt, which I like,
> on them. Splenda and imitation maple flavoring might be good though.
>
> I'll be contributing recipes later for sure.

I look forward!

Priscilla

Bubbles says "WTF Ricky" wrote:

> Hi Bill...

Jennifer has given you some really sound advice. All of us who have
been diagnosed have had to come to the same realization: No Doctor /
Dietician / Holistic Healer or whatever is going to be able to give
you the diet plan that will work perfectly for you. So, What you have
to plant in your brain is simple: YOU, and only you, have the power to
control your Blood Glucose. Jennifer said it so simply, there is going
to be a lot of experimentation with food - and when you eat it.

Example: My BG's are highest in the AM and lowest mid afternoon and
then rise during the evening - So my meals, and exercise are geared
around the peaks and valleys (and my job which takes my out of the
house nearly 12 hours a day). Point is that you need to test with
Food, medication (if any), and exercise. It will not happen overnight,
and don't let anyone fool you - it is a struggle at times. Don't give
up, don't give in - and don't be looking for the miracle cure

Accept the disease, and look forward. Once under control, You will
feel "normal" (this is my description) again. Between you, me and the
fence-post - My wife is also happy again (wink).
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