I'm getting backing into baking bread. I'm currently using my
KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.

I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
pounds each). WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
climbing above the top of the bowl.

I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
as sturdy as the KitchenAid.

Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?

Thanks in advance!

- Mark

Mark A.Meggs wrote:
> I'm getting backing into baking bread. I'm currently using my
> KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.
>
> I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
> pounds each). WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
> climbing above the top of the bowl.
>
> I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
> as sturdy as the KitchenAid.
>
> Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> - Mark
>

I use my hands. There is no machine that can tell me when the dough
feels right.

Using hands also has the benefit of a small workout, relief of stress
and anxiety and very low electricity consumption <g>

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:22:52 -0600, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

>Mark A.Meggs wrote:
>> I'm getting backing into baking bread. I'm currently using my
>> KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.
>>
>> I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
>> pounds each). WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
>> climbing above the top of the bowl.
>>
>> I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
>> as sturdy as the KitchenAid.
>>
>> Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> - Mark
>>
>
>I use my hands. There is no machine that can tell me when the dough
>feels right.
>
>Using hands also has the benefit of a small workout, relief of stress
>and anxiety and very low electricity consumption <g>


Using my hands hurts so I use a mixer.

I use a Hobart Kitchen Aid K5SS and I can do 2 loaves of bread at a
time. If you really want to make more try an Electrolux Magic Mill.
My husband uses it and usually makes 4 loaves at a time.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:57:05 -0500, The Cook >
wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:22:52 -0600, Janet Wilder
> wrote:
>
>>Mark A.Meggs wrote:
>>> I'm getting backing into baking bread. I'm currently using my
>>> KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.
>>>
>>> I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
>>> pounds each). WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
>>> climbing above the top of the bowl.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
>>> as sturdy as the KitchenAid.
>>>
>>> Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> - Mark
>>>
>>
>>I use my hands. There is no machine that can tell me when the dough
>>feels right.
>>
>>Using hands also has the benefit of a small workout, relief of stress
>>and anxiety and very low electricity consumption <g>
>
>
>Using my hands hurts so I use a mixer.
>
> I use a Hobart Kitchen Aid K5SS and I can do 2 loaves of bread at a
>time. If you really want to make more try an Electrolux Magic Mill.
>My husband uses it and usually makes 4 loaves at a time.

Thank for the information on the Electrolux. I'll have to start
saving my pennies.

- Mark

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:22:52 -0600, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

>Mark A.Meggs wrote:
>> I'm getting backing into baking bread. I'm currently using my
>> KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.
>>
>> I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
>> pounds each). WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
>> climbing above the top of the bowl.
>>
>> I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
>> as sturdy as the KitchenAid.
>>
>> Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> - Mark
>>
>
>I use my hands. There is no machine that can tell me when the dough
>feels right.
>
>Using hands also has the benefit of a small workout, relief of stress
>and anxiety and very low electricity consumption <g>

I know this is going to make me sound like an ass, but why did you
waste your time and mine with this non-answer to the question I
actually asked?

- Mark

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:50:22 -0500, Mark A.Meggs
> wrote:

>>SNIP<<
>>
>>I use my hands. There is no machine that can tell me when the dough
>>feels right.
>>
>>Using hands also has the benefit of a small workout, relief of stress
>>and anxiety and very low electricity consumption <g>
>
>I know this is going to make me sound like an ass, but why did you
>waste your time and mine with this non-answer to the question I
>actually asked?
>
>- Mark

Hi Mark,

Perhaps Janet offered her comments because she understands
that were yours the only needs to be met, you probably would
have chosen a private communication medium rather than
posting on a public forum.

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

Kenneth wrote:

>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Perhaps Janet offered her comments because she understands
> that were yours the only needs to be met, you probably would
> have chosen a private communication medium rather than
> posting on a public forum.
>
> All the best,

Thanks, Kenneth. I think Mark was just having a bad day. People
shouldn't let Usenet upset them. There are far too many other things
that matter in this life.
--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:59:27 -0500, Kenneth
> wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:50:22 -0500, Mark A.Meggs
> wrote:
>
>>>SNIP<<
>>>
>>>I use my hands. There is no machine that can tell me when the dough
>>>feels right.
>>>
>>>Using hands also has the benefit of a small workout, relief of stress
>>>and anxiety and very low electricity consumption <g>
>>
>>I know this is going to make me sound like an ass, but why did you
>>waste your time and mine with this non-answer to the question I
>>actually asked?
>>
>>- Mark
>
>Hi Mark,
>
>Perhaps Janet offered her comments because she understands
>that were yours the only needs to be met, you probably would
>have chosen a private communication medium rather than
>posting on a public forum.
>

I apologize for posting this response to the wrong reply!!

However, I posted the original question to a public forum. Janet
decided to answer a question I did not ask. Why should I not be a bit
peeved at that? I have no problem with her opinion on hand kneading
vs. machine mixing. BUT, THAT ISN'T WHAT I ASKED ABOUT! If she
couldn't respond to my question, why answer at all?

- Mark


>All the best,

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:41:51 -0500, Mark A.Meggs
> wrote:

> BUT, THAT ISN'T WHAT I ASKED ABOUT! If she
>couldn't respond to my question, why answer at all?

Hi again,

I will explain it a bit more directly than I had:

She was not responding only to you.

She was offering her opinion about your post to all the many
people who read them.

Please feel free to ignore her comment (and, of course,
mine.)

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:59:27 -0500, Kenneth >
wrote:

>Perhaps Janet offered her comments because she understands
>that were yours the only needs to be met....

His _were_ the only needs to be met in the thread he initiated. If dim-bulb
Janet wanted to expound on her conservationist philosophy, she could have
started her own thread.

-- Larry

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:33:53 -0500, pltrgyst
> wrote:

>>Perhaps Janet offered her comments because she understands
>>that were yours the only needs to be met....
>
>His _were_ the only needs to be met in the thread he initiated. If dim-bulb
>Janet wanted to expound on her conservationist philosophy, she could have
>started her own thread.
>
>-- Larry

Hi Larry,

Thanks for trying to clarify, but I am even more confused
now...

Janet made comments that were certainly relevant to Mark's
original post though perhaps not meeting his needs which
were, according to you, "the only needs to be met."

You offer comments that do not even mention the substance of
his original post, but somehow you find that acceptable.

It would appear that you have done precisely what you object
to in Janet's post (though certainly to a more extreme
degree.)

Ain't it great when everyone's opinions are welcome?

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

Mark A.Meggs wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:22:52 -0600, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
>> Mark A.Meggs wrote:
>>> I'm getting backing into baking bread. I'm currently using my
>>> KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.
>>>
>>> I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
>>> pounds each). WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
>>> climbing above the top of the bowl.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
>>> as sturdy as the KitchenAid.
>>>
>>> Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> - Mark
>>>
>> I use my hands. There is no machine that can tell me when the dough
>> feels right.
>>
>> Using hands also has the benefit of a small workout, relief of stress
>> and anxiety and very low electricity consumption <g>
>
> I know this is going to make me sound like an ass, but why did you
> waste your time and mine with this non-answer to the question I
> actually asked?
>
> - Mark

Because my hands work better than an electric machine, especially when
mixing such a big recipe. I make a double challah recipe often and I use
about 7 cups of flower. I mix by hand in a huge plastic bowl and find it
is a lot easier and, in the long run, faster than battling with a machine.

You did not specify you wanted a recommendation for a machine. Sorry I
touched a nerve. Maybe you should try kneading some dough and putting
some of your anger into it. Might make you feel better.

Some people will never understand Usenet.

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:43:49 -0600, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

>Mark A.Meggs wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:22:52 -0600, Janet Wilder
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Mark A.Meggs wrote:
>>>> I'm getting backing into baking bread. I'm currently using my
>>>> KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
>>>> pounds each). WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
>>>> climbing above the top of the bowl.
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
>>>> as sturdy as the KitchenAid.
>>>>
>>>> Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>
>>>> - Mark
>>>>
>>> I use my hands. There is no machine that can tell me when the dough
>>> feels right.
>>>
>>> Using hands also has the benefit of a small workout, relief of stress
>>> and anxiety and very low electricity consumption <g>
>>
>> I know this is going to make me sound like an ass, but why did you
>> waste your time and mine with this non-answer to the question I
>> actually asked?
>>
>> - Mark
>
>Because my hands work better than an electric machine, especially when
>mixing such a big recipe. I make a double challah recipe often and I use
>about 7 cups of flower. I mix by hand in a huge plastic bowl and find it
>is a lot easier and, in the long run, faster than battling with a machine.
>
>You did not specify you wanted a recommendation for a machine.

Yes I did - "I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart
capacity, and just as sturdy as my KitchenAid." That is clearly
refering to a machine. My subject line is also a clear reference to a
machine.

BTW - I do knead the dough at the end. I use the machine to do the
initial mixing.

> Sorry I
>touched a nerve. Maybe you should try kneading some dough and putting
>some of your anger into it. Might make you feel better.
>
>Some people will never understand Usenet.

I've been using Usenet since the 80's.

Enjoy your baking! I'm trying to decide if I'm to experiment with a
barley/wheat bread today.

- Mark

On Feb 18, 11:45*am, Mark A.Meggs > wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:43:49 -0600, Janet Wilder
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >Mark A.Meggs wrote:
> >> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:22:52 -0600, Janet Wilder
> >> > wrote:
>
> >>> Mark A.Meggs wrote:
> >>>> I'm getting backing into baking bread. * I'm currently using my
> >>>> KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.
>
> >>>> I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
> >>>> pounds each). *WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
> >>>> climbing above the top of the bowl.
>
> >>>> I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
> >>>> as sturdy as the KitchenAid.
>
> >>>> Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?
>
> >>>> Thanks in advance!
>
> >>>> - Mark
>
> >>> I use my hands. There is no machine that can tell me when the dough
> >>> feels right.
>
> >>> Using hands also has the benefit of a small workout, relief of stress
> >>> and anxiety and very low electricity consumption <g>
>
> >> I know this is going to make me sound like an ass, but why did you
> >> waste your time and mine with this non-answer to the question I
> >> actually asked?
>
> >> - Mark
>
> >Because my hands work better than an electric machine, especially when
> >mixing such a big recipe. I make a double challah recipe often and I use
> >about 7 cups of flower. I mix by hand in a huge plastic bowl and find it
> >is a lot easier and, in the long run, faster than battling with a machine..
>
> >You did not specify you wanted a recommendation for a machine.
>
> Yes I did - "I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart
> capacity, and just as sturdy as my KitchenAid." *That is clearly
> refering to a machine. *My subject line is also a clear reference to a
> machine.

Mark, you like the kitchenaids and want a 6 quart capacity.
So go with the KA 6 quart machine.

Susan

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:45:09 -0500, Mark A.Meggs
> wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:43:49 -0600, Janet Wilder
> wrote:
>
>>Mark A.Meggs wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:22:52 -0600, Janet Wilder
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mark A.Meggs wrote:
>>>>> I'm getting backing into baking bread. I'm currently using my
>>>>> KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
>>>>> pounds each). WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
>>>>> climbing above the top of the bowl.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
>>>>> as sturdy as the KitchenAid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>>
>>>>> - Mark
>>>>>
>>>> I use my hands. There is no machine that can tell me when the dough
>>>> feels right.
>>>>
>>>> Using hands also has the benefit of a small workout, relief of stress
>>>> and anxiety and very low electricity consumption <g>
>>>
>>> I know this is going to make me sound like an ass, but why did you
>>> waste your time and mine with this non-answer to the question I
>>> actually asked?
>>>
>>> - Mark
>>
>>Because my hands work better than an electric machine, especially when
>>mixing such a big recipe. I make a double challah recipe often and I use
>>about 7 cups of flower. I mix by hand in a huge plastic bowl and find it
>>is a lot easier and, in the long run, faster than battling with a machine.
>>
>>You did not specify you wanted a recommendation for a machine.
>
>Yes I did - "I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart
>capacity, and just as sturdy as my KitchenAid." That is clearly
>refering to a machine. My subject line is also a clear reference to a
>machine.
>
>BTW - I do knead the dough at the end. I use the machine to do the
>initial mixing.
>
>> Sorry I
>>touched a nerve. Maybe you should try kneading some dough and putting
>>some of your anger into it. Might make you feel better.
>>
>>Some people will never understand Usenet.
>
>I've been using Usenet since the 80's.

FWIW - I've been using using Usenet so long that I remember THE
origianl spam. The Siegel and Cantor green card spam.

>
>Enjoy your baking! I'm trying to decide if I'm to experiment with a
>barley/wheat bread today.
>
>- Mark

Mark A.Meggs wrote:

>
> I've been using Usenet since the 80's.

So why did you get so upset?

I've only been on Usenet since the early 1990s, but I've learned that it
takes all kinds to make a thread interesting and unless someone is
throwing flames, I take all the little stuff with a grain of salt.
Someone once referred to it as sifting through the dog poop for the
nuggets of chocolate. <g>

Some of the best info sharing in the world comes from Usenet
groups....and some of the strangest personality quirks <g>
--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

Mark A.Meggs wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:22:52 -0600, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
>> Mark A.Meggs wrote:
>>> I'm getting backing into baking bread. I'm currently using my
>>> KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.
>>>
>>> I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
>>> pounds each). WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
>>> climbing above the top of the bowl.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
>>> as sturdy as the KitchenAid.
>>>
>>> Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> - Mark
>>>
>> I use my hands. There is no machine that can tell me when the dough
>> feels right.
>>
>> Using hands also has the benefit of a small workout, relief of stress
>> and anxiety and very low electricity consumption <g>
>
> I know this is going to make me sound like an ass, but why did you
> waste your time and mine with this non-answer to the question I
> actually asked?
>
> - Mark

You could try the previously discussed "artisan bread in 5 minutes a
day" approach.

Otherwise, my 4.5 quart kitchenaid used to do it for me, and the 6 quart
does 3 to 4 loaves. A loaf takes like 3.5 cups flour (like 0.9 lb) and
a little more than a cup of water (0.6 lb or there abouts), along with
salt, yeast, oil, sugar etc as desired.

del

On Feb 16, 9:38 pm, Mark A.Meggs > wrote:

> Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?

I've got an old K45SS. That's the smallest KA made. Size isn't a big
deal for dough mixing. You simply get another bowl and split the dough
into batches. It's easy. The extra bowl is quite useful, quite cheap
and the machine is consistently less stressed. My unit is 24 years
old, puts out six loaves a week, every week.

Now I know you didn't ask this... but... if you're dying to spend some
cash, consider the grain mill attachment and the pasta rollers
instead. Both are incredibly useful. Milling is a THE bread baking
adjunct. Once you GROK grain, (and there's vast potential there) the
size of your mixer will be insignificant.

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:27:40 -0800 (PST), Will
> wrote:

>On Feb 16, 9:38 pm, Mark A.Meggs > wrote:
>
>> Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?
>
>I've got an old K45SS. That's the smallest KA made. Size isn't a big
>deal for dough mixing. You simply get another bowl and split the dough
>into batches. It's easy. The extra bowl is quite useful, quite cheap
>and the machine is consistently less stressed. My unit is 24 years
>old, puts out six loaves a week, every week.
>
>Now I know you didn't ask this... but... if you're dying to spend some
>cash, consider the grain mill attachment and the pasta rollers
>instead. Both are incredibly useful. Milling is a THE bread baking
>adjunct. Once you GROK grain, (and there's vast potential there) the
>size of your mixer will be insignificant.

I've been considering grinding my grain too. However, I was looking
at the mills that Lehman's has.

http://www.lehmans.com/shopping/sear...ord=grain+mill

- Mark

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:24:25 -0500, Mark A.Meggs
> wrote:

>I've been considering grinding my grain too. However, I was looking
>at the mills that Lehman's has.
>
>http://www.lehmans.com/shopping/sear...ord=grain+mill
>
>- Mark

Hi Mark,

I have been using their Diamant for more than twenty years,
and love it. Unfortunately, the price has gone through the
roof.

Prior to that time, I used the Bell mill on the lower right
of the picture you provide. It is the red one, and, for some
reason, they seem not to mention the brand.

It also worked well, though somewhat less uniform in the
product. Also, its capacity was far lower, and it could not
be easily motorized.

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:24:25 -0500, Mark A.Meggs
> wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:27:40 -0800 (PST), Will
> wrote:
>>Now I know you didn't ask this... but... if you're dying to spend some
>>cash, consider the grain mill attachment and the pasta rollers
>>instead. Both are incredibly useful. Milling is a THE bread baking
>>adjunct. Once you GROK grain, (and there's vast potential there) the
>>size of your mixer will be insignificant.
>
>I've been considering grinding my grain too. [cut]

So, if Janet had prefaced her comments with "Now I know you didn't ask
this," would you still have replied so angrily?

Honestly, when someone offers a comment that seems off topic,
frequently that comment is worth considering. I've learned a lot this
way, through serendipitous reading.

I'm sure you're now going to reply that Janet said nothing that
expanded your body of knowledge, but as Kenneth pointed out, Usenet is
a very fluid dynamic medium with unexpected potential, so even if it
didn't benefit YOU (O Poster Who Started the Thread), it could benefit
someone else. That's why I read Usenet. I never know what I might
learn!

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:08:42 GMT, KLS > wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:24:25 -0500, Mark A.Meggs
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:27:40 -0800 (PST), Will
> wrote:
>>>Now I know you didn't ask this... but... if you're dying to spend some
>>>cash, consider the grain mill attachment and the pasta rollers
>>>instead. Both are incredibly useful. Milling is a THE bread baking
>>>adjunct. Once you GROK grain, (and there's vast potential there) the
>>>size of your mixer will be insignificant.
>>
>>I've been considering grinding my grain too. [cut]
>
>So, if Janet had prefaced her comments with "Now I know you didn't ask
>this," would you still have replied so angrily?

Angry - never was. Peeved - was and still am. I asked for advice
based on experience re machines that can mix the ingredients for
bread.. In response, Janet offered her opinion that hand kneading is
better than machine mixing.

>
>Honestly, when someone offers a comment that seems off topic,
>frequently that comment is worth considering.

I don't believe I've ever said anything to indicate otherwise.

> I've learned a lot this >way, through serendipitous reading.
>
So have I.!

>I'm sure you're now going to reply that Janet said nothing that
>expanded your body of knowledge, but as Kenneth pointed out, Usenet is
>a very fluid dynamic medium with unexpected potential, so even if it
>didn't benefit YOU (O Poster Who Started the Thread), it could benefit
>someone else. That's why I read Usenet. I never know what I might
>learn!

Janet was responding to my question. I would appreciate it if her
response addressed my question.

-Mark

On Feb 16, 9:38*pm, Mark A.Meggs > wrote:
> I'm getting backing into baking bread. * I'm currently using my
> KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.
>
> I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
> pounds each). *WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
> climbing above the top of the bowl.
>
> I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
> as sturdy as the KitchenAid.
>
> Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> - Mark

You like the kitchenaid, and want 6 quarts.
Why not get the 6 quart kitchenaid? ??

Pierre

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:55:04 -0800 (PST), Susan >
wrote:

>On Feb 16, 9:38*pm, Mark A.Meggs > wrote:
>> I'm getting backing into baking bread. * I'm currently using my
>> KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.
>>
>> I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
>> pounds each). *WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
>> climbing above the top of the bowl.
>>
>> I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
>> as sturdy as the KitchenAid.
>>
>> Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> - Mark
>
>You like the kitchenaid, and want 6 quarts.
>Why not get the 6 quart kitchenaid? ??
>
>Pierre
>

That is one of the options. Since KA is the only thing I have
experience with, I was hoping to get some information on others.

Thanks!

- Mark

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:17:46 -0500, Mark A.Meggs
> wrote:

>That is one of the options. Since KA is the only thing I have
>experience with, I was hoping to get some information on others.
>
>Thanks!
>
>- Mark

Hi again Mark,

If you are not in a hurry, consider looking (and waiting)
for a used Hobart. They are of the same apparent design as
the KA machines but under the skin are completely different.

If you are lucky, you might be able to find a cheap one, and
they are really great.

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

Mark A.Meggs wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:55:04 -0800 (PST), Susan >
> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 16, 9:38 pm, Mark A.Meggs > wrote:
>>> I'm getting backing into baking bread. I'm currently using my
>>> KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.
>>>
>>> I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
>>> pounds each). WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
>>> climbing above the top of the bowl.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
>>> as sturdy as the KitchenAid.
>>>
>>> Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> - Mark
>> You like the kitchenaid, and want 6 quarts.
>> Why not get the 6 quart kitchenaid? ??
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>
> That is one of the options. Since KA is the only thing I have
> experience with, I was hoping to get some information on others.
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Mark

There is a function on Google that lets one search newsgroups to find
posts from the past. Some people use it to avoid barging into
newsgroups and irritating people by expecting them to drop everything
and provide free consulting.

Perhaps you should consider using that function as part of your
information gathering, especially since you seem to have exacting
requirements for the answers.

It is not as if the subject of mixers hasn't been discussed often in
this group.

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:40:30 -0600, Del Cecchi
> wrote:

>Mark A.Meggs wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:55:04 -0800 (PST), Susan >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 16, 9:38 pm, Mark A.Meggs > wrote:
>>>> I'm getting backing into baking bread. I'm currently using my
>>>> KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
>>>> pounds each). WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
>>>> climbing above the top of the bowl.
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
>>>> as sturdy as the KitchenAid.
>>>>
>>>> Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>
>>>> - Mark
>>> You like the kitchenaid, and want 6 quarts.
>>> Why not get the 6 quart kitchenaid? ??
>>>
>>> Pierre
>>>
>>
>> That is one of the options. Since KA is the only thing I have
>> experience with, I was hoping to get some information on others.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> - Mark
>
>There is a function on Google that lets one search newsgroups to find
>posts from the past. Some people use it to avoid barging into
>newsgroups and irritating people by expecting them to drop everything
>and provide free consulting.

If you have confined yourself to using Google for Usenet access, I
truly feel for you. Google groups is so separated from Usenet that I
can't begin to describe it.

>
>Perhaps you should consider using that function as part of your
>information gathering, especially since you seem to have exacting
>requirements for the answers.
>
>It is not as if the subject of mixers hasn't been discussed often in
>this group.

- Mark

Mark A.Meggs wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:40:30 -0600, Del Cecchi
> > wrote:
>
>> Mark A.Meggs wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:55:04 -0800 (PST), Susan >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 16, 9:38 pm, Mark A.Meggs > wrote:
>>>>> I'm getting backing into baking bread. I'm currently using my
>>>>> KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
>>>>> pounds each). WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
>>>>> climbing above the top of the bowl.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
>>>>> as sturdy as the KitchenAid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>>
>>>>> - Mark
>>>> You like the kitchenaid, and want 6 quarts.
>>>> Why not get the 6 quart kitchenaid? ??
>>>>
>>>> Pierre
>>>>
>>> That is one of the options. Since KA is the only thing I have
>>> experience with, I was hoping to get some information on others.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> - Mark
>> There is a function on Google that lets one search newsgroups to find
>> posts from the past. Some people use it to avoid barging into
>> newsgroups and irritating people by expecting them to drop everything
>> and provide free consulting.
> t
> If you have confined yourself to using Google for Usenet access, I
> truly feel for you. Google groups is so separated from Usenet that I
> can't begin to describe it.
> e
>> Perhaps you should consider using that function as part of your
>> information gathering, especially since you seem to have exacting
>> requirements for the answers.
>>
>> It is not as if the subject of mixers hasn't been discussed often in
>> this group.
>
> - Mark

You apparently can't read OR use a search engine to find past threads in
this group or alt.bread.recipes related to mixers suitable for your
exacting baking requirements.

Or perhaps you are so wrapped up in yourself that you were unaware that
the google newsgroup archive allows searching?

I believe the proper response to your arrogance is *plonk*

goodnight and good luck.

Mark A.Meggs wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:40:30 -0600, Del Cecchi

>
> If you have confined yourself to using Google for Usenet access, I
> truly feel for you. Google groups is so separated from Usenet that I
> can't begin to describe it.
>
>> Perhaps you should consider using that function as part of your
>> information gathering, especially since you seem to have exacting
>> requirements for the answers.
>>
>> It is not as if the subject of mixers hasn't been discussed often in
>> this group.

Mark, I think Del was referring to the search feature that is now in
Google. Years ago it was on another site that went away. It's a great
way to search the archives of any Usenet group. I didn't read his post
to have anything to do with reading postings on Google.

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:38:38 -0500, Mark A.Meggs
> wrote:

>I'm getting backing into baking bread. I'm currently using my
>KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.
>
>I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
>pounds each). WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
>climbing above the top of the bowl.
>
>I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
>as sturdy as the KitchenAid.
>
>Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>- Mark

Of the 28 responses to my original message, exactly 2 addressed the
question I asked.

Thanks very much to "The Cook" and
cowguy@aol,com "Susan/Pierre".

Thank you Peter A for understanding where I was coming from!

For the rest of you - if you don't have anything tos ay, don't say
anything.

Good Baking!

- Mark

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:21:09 -0500, Mark A.Meggs
> wrote:

>On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:38:38 -0500, Mark A.Meggs
> wrote:
>
>>I'm getting backing into baking bread. I'm currently using my
>>KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.
>>
>>I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
>>pounds each). WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
>>climbing above the top of the bowl.
>>
>>I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
>>as sturdy as the KitchenAid.
>>
>>Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?
>>
>>Thanks in advance!
>>
>>- Mark
>
>Of the 28 responses to my original message, exactly 2 addressed the
>question I asked.
>
>Thanks very much to "The Cook" and
>cowguy@aol,com "Susan/Pierre".
>
>Thank you Peter A for understanding where I was coming from!
>
>For the rest of you - if you don't have anything tos ay, don't say
>anything.
>
>Good Baking!
>
>- Mark

Interesting calculation Mark...

First, the vast majority of "the 28 responses" were not
directed to you at all.

Also, I suggested that you consider a used Hobart, and later
when you commented on flour mills, I offered you my
experiences with C.S. Bell, and Diamant as on the link you
provided to Lehman's.

You did not bother to respond to either.

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:40:12 -0500, Kenneth
> wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:21:09 -0500, Mark A.Meggs
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:38:38 -0500, Mark A.Meggs
> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm getting backing into baking bread. I'm currently using my
>>>KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.
>>>
>>>I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
>>>pounds each). WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
>>>climbing above the top of the bowl.
>>>
>>>I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
>>>as sturdy as the KitchenAid.
>>>
>>>Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>>- Mark
>>
>>Of the 28 responses to my original message, exactly 2 addressed the
>>question I asked.
>>
>>Thanks very much to "The Cook" and
>>cowguy@aol,com "Susan/Pierre".
>>
>>Thank you Peter A for understanding where I was coming from!
>>
>>For the rest of you - if you don't have anything tos ay, don't say
>>anything.
>>
>>Good Baking!
>>
>>- Mark
>
>Interesting calculation Mark...
>
>First, the vast majority of "the 28 responses" were not
>directed to you at all.

All of the responses occured as a result of my original post.
>
>Also, I suggested that you consider a used Hobart

Yes you did - I apologise for overlooking that response. Thank you!

>, and later
>when you commented on flour mills, I offered you my
>experiences with C.S. Bell, and Diamant as on the link you
>provided to Lehman's.
>
>You did not bother to respond to either.

Since it was OT, no I did not. And, yes I am aware that my response
to Will was OT.
>
>All the best,

- Mark

On Feb 19, 9:21 am, Mark A.Meggs > wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:38:38 -0500, Mark A.Meggs

> Of the 28 responses to my original message, exactly 2 addressed the
> question I asked.

Not for nothing Mark, and I mean this constructively... but if I posed
a query to a newsgroup and only 7% of the responses were relevant, I
would conclude that: a) my question was poorly articulated or b) I was
mis-interpreting the response.

> For the rest of you - if you don't have anything to say, don't say
> anything.

I would not conclude that everyone was stupid. :-)

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:10:14 -0800 (PST), Will
> wrote:

>On Feb 19, 9:21 am, Mark A.Meggs > wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:38:38 -0500, Mark A.Meggs
>
>> Of the 28 responses to my original message, exactly 2 addressed the
>> question I asked.
>
>Not for nothing Mark, and I mean this constructively... but if I posed
>a query to a newsgroup and only 7% of the responses were relevant, I
>would conclude that: a) my question was poorly articulated or b) I was
>mis-interpreting the response.
>
>> For the rest of you - if you don't have anything to say, don't say
>> anything.
>
>I would not conclude that everyone was stupid. :-)
>
>
>

Hi Will,

You may remember that the unpleasant part of this thread
started with Mark writing:

"I know this is going to make me sound like an ass, but..."

and then continuing to make his comment anyway.

How dearly I value my hard won lessons in that arena:

I now know with certainty that if I am aware that something
I am about to say is going to make me look like an ass (or
something worse) I should not say it.

On occasion, I am even able to allow that knowledge to guide
my behavior...

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

On Feb 19, 7:28 pm, Kenneth > wrote:

> You may remember...

What I've noticed over the years is that threads, if they're going to
go snarky, tend to start down that path in the evening. Check the
timestamps. The old "in vino veritas" syndrome.

Got a Poilane going :-) . If I get into the oven tomorrow evening, it
will be ready Saturday. You probably know this... but if you pull back
on the water a bit, that formula makes a killer bagel.

Will

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:59:41 -0800 (PST), Will
> wrote:

>You probably know this... but if you pull back
>on the water a bit, that formula makes a killer bagel.

Hi Will,

Well, no, I did not know that...

And just last evening I was talking with my son about the
fact that I had not made bagels in quite a while.

All the best, and thanks for the tip,
--
Kenneth

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