Please visit our site of critical reviews and submit your own reports for
publication on our site.
www.brewpubcritic.com

Thanks
John

John & Linda Rokosz ) wrote:
: Please visit our site of critical reviews and submit your own reports for
: publication on our site.
: www.brewpubcritic.com
:

Just what we need -- yet another one.

What's wrong with ratebeer.com and beeradvocate.com? What does your site
have that these two don't? I'm not going to click the link until you come
back and explain.


--
Bill

reply to sirwill1 AT same domain as above

John & Linda Rokosz ) wrote:
: Please visit our site of critical reviews and submit your own reports for
: publication on our site.
: www.brewpubcritic.com
:

Just what we need -- yet another one.

What's wrong with ratebeer.com and beeradvocate.com? What does your site
have that these two don't? I'm not going to click the link until you come
back and explain.


--
Bill

reply to sirwill1 AT same domain as above

Bill Benzel > wrote:
>John & Linda Rokosz ) wrote:
>: Please visit our site of critical reviews and submit your own reports for
>: publication on our site.
>: www.brewpubcritic.com

>Just what we need -- yet another one.

>What's wrong with ratebeer.com and beeradvocate.com? What does your site
>have that these two don't? I'm not going to click the link until you come
>back and explain.

Why not? Just because those other ones were around previously
does that make them somehow better? Does it make another web site
automatically worse or unnecessary?
--
Joel Plutchak "Eat everything. Have fun." - Julia Child.
plutchak at [...]

Bill Benzel > wrote:
>John & Linda Rokosz ) wrote:
>: Please visit our site of critical reviews and submit your own reports for
>: publication on our site.
>: www.brewpubcritic.com

>Just what we need -- yet another one.

>What's wrong with ratebeer.com and beeradvocate.com? What does your site
>have that these two don't? I'm not going to click the link until you come
>back and explain.

Why not? Just because those other ones were around previously
does that make them somehow better? Does it make another web site
automatically worse or unnecessary?
--
Joel Plutchak "Eat everything. Have fun." - Julia Child.
plutchak at [...]

Bill Benzel > wrote:
>John & Linda Rokosz ) wrote:
>: Please visit our site of critical reviews and submit your own reports for
>: publication on our site.
>: www.brewpubcritic.com

>Just what we need -- yet another one.

>What's wrong with ratebeer.com and beeradvocate.com? What does your site
>have that these two don't? I'm not going to click the link until you come
>back and explain.

Why not? Just because those other ones were around previously
does that make them somehow better? Does it make another web site
automatically worse or unnecessary?
--
Joel Plutchak "Eat everything. Have fun." - Julia Child.
plutchak at [...]

Joel ) wrote:
: Bill Benzel > wrote:
: >John & Linda Rokosz ) wrote:
: >: Please visit our site of critical reviews and submit your own reports for
: >: publication on our site.
: >: www.brewpubcritic.com
:
: >Just what we need -- yet another one.
:
: >What's wrong with ratebeer.com and beeradvocate.com? What does your site
: >have that these two don't? I'm not going to click the link until you come
: >back and explain.
:
: Why not? Just because those other ones were around previously
: does that make them somehow better? Does it make another web site
: automatically worse or unnecessary?

No, just redundant and (IMO and for lack of a better word) divisive.
Folks only have so much time to spend doing this -- I'd prefer to have
fewer places to go and more people in those places.


--
Bill

reply to sirwill1 AT same domain as above

Joel ) wrote:
: Bill Benzel > wrote:
: >John & Linda Rokosz ) wrote:
: >: Please visit our site of critical reviews and submit your own reports for
: >: publication on our site.
: >: www.brewpubcritic.com
:
: >Just what we need -- yet another one.
:
: >What's wrong with ratebeer.com and beeradvocate.com? What does your site
: >have that these two don't? I'm not going to click the link until you come
: >back and explain.
:
: Why not? Just because those other ones were around previously
: does that make them somehow better? Does it make another web site
: automatically worse or unnecessary?

No, just redundant and (IMO and for lack of a better word) divisive.
Folks only have so much time to spend doing this -- I'd prefer to have
fewer places to go and more people in those places.


--
Bill

reply to sirwill1 AT same domain as above

> Just what we need -- yet another one.

Actually, there's not enough. IMO, the more sites out there spreading the
good word of beer the better.

Cheers!

--
Todd Alström
Co-Founder & President
http://BeerAdvocate.com : Join the BEER Revolution!
--
BeerAdvocate.com Belgian Beer Fest
November 6, 2004 - The Cyclorama @ The Boston Center for the Arts
http://beeradvocate.com/fests/
--

> Just what we need -- yet another one.

Actually, there's not enough. IMO, the more sites out there spreading the
good word of beer the better.

Cheers!

--
Todd Alström
Co-Founder & President
http://BeerAdvocate.com : Join the BEER Revolution!
--
BeerAdvocate.com Belgian Beer Fest
November 6, 2004 - The Cyclorama @ The Boston Center for the Arts
http://beeradvocate.com/fests/
--

> Just what we need -- yet another one.

Actually, there's not enough. IMO, the more sites out there spreading the
good word of beer the better.

Cheers!

--
Todd Alström
Co-Founder & President
http://BeerAdvocate.com : Join the BEER Revolution!
--
BeerAdvocate.com Belgian Beer Fest
November 6, 2004 - The Cyclorama @ The Boston Center for the Arts
http://beeradvocate.com/fests/
--

Bill Benzel > wrote:
>Joel ) wrote:
>: Bill Benzel > wrote:
>: >John & Linda Rokosz ) wrote:
>: >: Please visit our site of critical reviews and submit your own reports for
>: >: publication on our site.
>: >: www.brewpubcritic.com
>:
>: >Just what we need -- yet another one.
>:
>: >What's wrong with ratebeer.com and beeradvocate.com? What does your site
>: >have that these two don't? I'm not going to click the link until you come
>: >back and explain.
>:
>: Why not? Just because those other ones were around previously
>: does that make them somehow better? Does it make another web site
>: automatically worse or unnecessary?
>
>No, just redundant and (IMO and for lack of a better word) divisive.
>Folks only have so much time to spend doing this -- I'd prefer to have
>fewer places to go and more people in those places.

You call two sites redundant!? Yow. Good thing you're not
a professional brewer, or we'd only have a couple different
types of beer.
--
Joel Plutchak "Eat everything. Have fun." - Julia Child.
plutchak at [...]

Bill Benzel > wrote:
>Joel ) wrote:
>: Bill Benzel > wrote:
>: >John & Linda Rokosz ) wrote:
>: >: Please visit our site of critical reviews and submit your own reports for
>: >: publication on our site.
>: >: www.brewpubcritic.com
>:
>: >Just what we need -- yet another one.
>:
>: >What's wrong with ratebeer.com and beeradvocate.com? What does your site
>: >have that these two don't? I'm not going to click the link until you come
>: >back and explain.
>:
>: Why not? Just because those other ones were around previously
>: does that make them somehow better? Does it make another web site
>: automatically worse or unnecessary?
>
>No, just redundant and (IMO and for lack of a better word) divisive.
>Folks only have so much time to spend doing this -- I'd prefer to have
>fewer places to go and more people in those places.

You call two sites redundant!? Yow. Good thing you're not
a professional brewer, or we'd only have a couple different
types of beer.
--
Joel Plutchak "Eat everything. Have fun." - Julia Child.
plutchak at [...]

"Bill Benzel" > wrote in message
...

> Just what we need -- yet another one.

Did we need the others that are already there?

> What's wrong with ratebeer.com and beeradvocate.com?

Devil's advocate: what's good about them? Because they're there first,
they're better? What was wrong with Pubcrawler.com? What's to say that
something else might not come along that's better. I mean, what was wrong
with SNPA and Anchor Liberty? What did we need new beers for?

> What does your site
> have that these two don't? I'm not going to click the link until you come
> back and explain.

That'll show 'em.

-STeve

"Bill Benzel" > wrote in message
...

> Just what we need -- yet another one.

Did we need the others that are already there?

> What's wrong with ratebeer.com and beeradvocate.com?

Devil's advocate: what's good about them? Because they're there first,
they're better? What was wrong with Pubcrawler.com? What's to say that
something else might not come along that's better. I mean, what was wrong
with SNPA and Anchor Liberty? What did we need new beers for?

> What does your site
> have that these two don't? I'm not going to click the link until you come
> back and explain.

That'll show 'em.

-STeve

"Bill Benzel" > wrote in message
...

> Just what we need -- yet another one.

Did we need the others that are already there?

> What's wrong with ratebeer.com and beeradvocate.com?

Devil's advocate: what's good about them? Because they're there first,
they're better? What was wrong with Pubcrawler.com? What's to say that
something else might not come along that's better. I mean, what was wrong
with SNPA and Anchor Liberty? What did we need new beers for?

> What does your site
> have that these two don't? I'm not going to click the link until you come
> back and explain.

That'll show 'em.

-STeve

"Bill Benzel" > wrote in message
...

> No, just redundant and (IMO and for lack of a better word) divisive.

Divisive? This isn't a religion or a political party. That makes as much
sense to me as saying a new good beer pub opening up in town is divisive.

> Folks only have so much time to spend doing this -- I'd prefer to have
> fewer places to go and more people in those places.

And if most people feel that way, the marketplace will work that out.

-Steve

"Bill Benzel" > wrote in message
...

> No, just redundant and (IMO and for lack of a better word) divisive.

Divisive? This isn't a religion or a political party. That makes as much
sense to me as saying a new good beer pub opening up in town is divisive.

> Folks only have so much time to spend doing this -- I'd prefer to have
> fewer places to go and more people in those places.

And if most people feel that way, the marketplace will work that out.

-Steve

"Bill Benzel" > wrote in message
...

> No, just redundant and (IMO and for lack of a better word) divisive.

Divisive? This isn't a religion or a political party. That makes as much
sense to me as saying a new good beer pub opening up in town is divisive.

> Folks only have so much time to spend doing this -- I'd prefer to have
> fewer places to go and more people in those places.

And if most people feel that way, the marketplace will work that out.

-Steve

"Todd Alström" > wrote in message
news:RFZ3d.1413$fa.730@trndny09...
>> Just what we need -- yet another one.
>
> Actually, there's not enough. IMO, the more sites out there spreading the
> good word of beer the better.

Bingo. There's nothing wrong with increased exposure, increased opportunity
for discussion, and more viewpoints on the merits of various breweries and
beers. Saying we already have enough isn't too far from the mindset of
people who love a particular band but then get ****ed off when they start
actually selling records. (God, am I old. I still use the word "records.")

-Steve

"Todd Alström" > wrote in message
news:RFZ3d.1413$fa.730@trndny09...
>> Just what we need -- yet another one.
>
> Actually, there's not enough. IMO, the more sites out there spreading the
> good word of beer the better.

Bingo. There's nothing wrong with increased exposure, increased opportunity
for discussion, and more viewpoints on the merits of various breweries and
beers. Saying we already have enough isn't too far from the mindset of
people who love a particular band but then get ****ed off when they start
actually selling records. (God, am I old. I still use the word "records.")

-Steve

"Todd Alström" > wrote in message
news:RFZ3d.1413$fa.730@trndny09...
>> Just what we need -- yet another one.
>
> Actually, there's not enough. IMO, the more sites out there spreading the
> good word of beer the better.

Bingo. There's nothing wrong with increased exposure, increased opportunity
for discussion, and more viewpoints on the merits of various breweries and
beers. Saying we already have enough isn't too far from the mindset of
people who love a particular band but then get ****ed off when they start
actually selling records. (God, am I old. I still use the word "records.")

-Steve

Steve Jackson > wrote:
>Saying we already have enough isn't too far from the mindset of
>people who love a particular band but then get ****ed off when they start
>actually selling records. (God, am I old. I still use the word "records.")

Well, "record" is short for something like "sound recording,"
right? It should be the catch-all term for all recorded audio
media.
--
Joel Plutchak "Eat everything. Have fun." - Julia Child.
plutchak at [...]

Steve Jackson > wrote:
>Saying we already have enough isn't too far from the mindset of
>people who love a particular band but then get ****ed off when they start
>actually selling records. (God, am I old. I still use the word "records.")

Well, "record" is short for something like "sound recording,"
right? It should be the catch-all term for all recorded audio
media.
--
Joel Plutchak "Eat everything. Have fun." - Julia Child.
plutchak at [...]

Joel ) wrote:
: Bill Benzel > wrote:
: >Joel ) wrote:
: >: Bill Benzel > wrote:
: >: >John & Linda Rokosz ) wrote:
: >: >: Please visit our site of critical reviews and submit your own reports for
: >: >: publication on our site.
: >: >: www.brewpubcritic.com
: >:
: >: >Just what we need -- yet another one.
: >:
: >: >What's wrong with ratebeer.com and beeradvocate.com? What does your site
: >: >have that these two don't? I'm not going to click the link until you come
: >: >back and explain.
: >:
: >: Why not? Just because those other ones were around previously
: >: does that make them somehow better? Does it make another web site
: >: automatically worse or unnecessary?
: >
: >No, just redundant and (IMO and for lack of a better word) divisive.
: >Folks only have so much time to spend doing this -- I'd prefer to have
: >fewer places to go and more people in those places.
:
: You call two sites redundant!? Yow. Good thing you're not
: a professional brewer, or we'd only have a couple different
: types of beer.

No I just didn't mention several others such as the Burgundian Babble Belt
and numerous Yahoo groups -- I'm sorry if you think I'm off base here but
I really liked the old days of online tastings and virtual community. Now
all I have is a long list of shortcuts to attempt to keep up with.

I'm sorry but I just don't see a need for yet another beer rating site.

Chacon a son gout!

--
Bill

reply to sirwill1 AT same domain as above

Joel ) wrote:
: Bill Benzel > wrote:
: >Joel ) wrote:
: >: Bill Benzel > wrote:
: >: >John & Linda Rokosz ) wrote:
: >: >: Please visit our site of critical reviews and submit your own reports for
: >: >: publication on our site.
: >: >: www.brewpubcritic.com
: >:
: >: >Just what we need -- yet another one.
: >:
: >: >What's wrong with ratebeer.com and beeradvocate.com? What does your site
: >: >have that these two don't? I'm not going to click the link until you come
: >: >back and explain.
: >:
: >: Why not? Just because those other ones were around previously
: >: does that make them somehow better? Does it make another web site
: >: automatically worse or unnecessary?
: >
: >No, just redundant and (IMO and for lack of a better word) divisive.
: >Folks only have so much time to spend doing this -- I'd prefer to have
: >fewer places to go and more people in those places.
:
: You call two sites redundant!? Yow. Good thing you're not
: a professional brewer, or we'd only have a couple different
: types of beer.

No I just didn't mention several others such as the Burgundian Babble Belt
and numerous Yahoo groups -- I'm sorry if you think I'm off base here but
I really liked the old days of online tastings and virtual community. Now
all I have is a long list of shortcuts to attempt to keep up with.

I'm sorry but I just don't see a need for yet another beer rating site.

Chacon a son gout!

--
Bill

reply to sirwill1 AT same domain as above

Joel ) wrote:
: Bill Benzel > wrote:
: >Joel ) wrote:
: >: Bill Benzel > wrote:
: >: >John & Linda Rokosz ) wrote:
: >: >: Please visit our site of critical reviews and submit your own reports for
: >: >: publication on our site.
: >: >: www.brewpubcritic.com
: >:
: >: >Just what we need -- yet another one.
: >:
: >: >What's wrong with ratebeer.com and beeradvocate.com? What does your site
: >: >have that these two don't? I'm not going to click the link until you come
: >: >back and explain.
: >:
: >: Why not? Just because those other ones were around previously
: >: does that make them somehow better? Does it make another web site
: >: automatically worse or unnecessary?
: >
: >No, just redundant and (IMO and for lack of a better word) divisive.
: >Folks only have so much time to spend doing this -- I'd prefer to have
: >fewer places to go and more people in those places.
:
: You call two sites redundant!? Yow. Good thing you're not
: a professional brewer, or we'd only have a couple different
: types of beer.

No I just didn't mention several others such as the Burgundian Babble Belt
and numerous Yahoo groups -- I'm sorry if you think I'm off base here but
I really liked the old days of online tastings and virtual community. Now
all I have is a long list of shortcuts to attempt to keep up with.

I'm sorry but I just don't see a need for yet another beer rating site.

Chacon a son gout!

--
Bill

reply to sirwill1 AT same domain as above

Steve Jackson ) wrote:
: "Bill Benzel" > wrote in message
: ...
:
: > No, just redundant and (IMO and for lack of a better word) divisive.
:
: Divisive? This isn't a religion or a political party. That makes as much
: sense to me as saying a new good beer pub opening up in town is divisive.
:

Sorry, bad choice of words and I can't think of a better one. What I mean
id that I find myself dividing my time between a lot of these various web
sites, adjusting to the different styles of presentation, trying to
remember the threads I'm interested in, where I've posted etc.

What I should have said is:

I need another beer related web site like <indert negative simile of your
choice here>.

This is my personal preference and I certainly did not intend to start a
flame war or heated debate.

Sorry if I offended anyone. That was not my intention.

--
Bill

reply to sirwill1 AT same domain as above

"Bill Benzel" > wrote in message
...

> What I should have said is:
>
> I need another beer related web site like <indert negative simile of your
> choice here>.

Fair enough.

>
> This is my personal preference and I certainly did not intend to start a
> flame war or heated debate.
>
> Sorry if I offended anyone. That was not my intention.

Oh, I don't think anyone was offended or viewed it as a flame. Just a ripe
opportunity for some spirited discussion. We don't get a lot of that around
here anymore. Maybe because of all those web sites. (Yes, that's said
tongue-in-cheek.)

-Steve

What's different? Our site specializes in brewpubs, arranged by state. The
reviews are our own in depth opinions, not just a copy of a menu blurb. On
request we provide a form for submitting your own review in the same format.
It's a simple, fast loading site with a speciaized theme.

Thanks for all the discussion!
John
"Bill Benzel" > wrote in message
...
> John & Linda Rokosz ) wrote:
> : Please visit our site of critical reviews and submit your own reports
for
> : publication on our site.
> : www.brewpubcritic.com
> :
>
> Just what we need -- yet another one.
>
> What's wrong with ratebeer.com and beeradvocate.com? What does your site
> have that these two don't? I'm not going to click the link until you come
> back and explain.
>
>
> --
> Bill
>
> reply to sirwill1 AT same domain as above

"John & Linda Rokosz" > wrote in message
> What's different? Our site specializes in brewpubs, arranged by state.
The
> reviews are our own in depth opinions, not just a copy of a menu blurb.

Oh, I don't think that's fair to most of the reviews I've seen on
BeerAdvocate. To be honest, the reviews I saw on your website read more like
"Mystery Muncher" restaurant reviews, a format that makes my skin
crawl...but that's just me. But I've never seen any reviews on BA, ratebeer,
or Pubcrawler that looked like a "menu blurb." I think we should all be a
bit more fair here.

> On
> request we provide a form for submitting your own review in the same
format.
> It's a simple, fast loading site with a speciaized theme.

Well, have fun with it.

--
Lew Bryson

"As for talking shit in this NG, Lew, you're the undisputed king, and
that's no SHITE." -- Bob Skilnik, 1/31/02

www.lewbryson.com

"John & Linda Rokosz" > wrote in message
> What's different? Our site specializes in brewpubs, arranged by state.
The
> reviews are our own in depth opinions, not just a copy of a menu blurb.

Oh, I don't think that's fair to most of the reviews I've seen on
BeerAdvocate. To be honest, the reviews I saw on your website read more like
"Mystery Muncher" restaurant reviews, a format that makes my skin
crawl...but that's just me. But I've never seen any reviews on BA, ratebeer,
or Pubcrawler that looked like a "menu blurb." I think we should all be a
bit more fair here.

> On
> request we provide a form for submitting your own review in the same
format.
> It's a simple, fast loading site with a speciaized theme.

Well, have fun with it.

--
Lew Bryson

"As for talking shit in this NG, Lew, you're the undisputed king, and
that's no SHITE." -- Bob Skilnik, 1/31/02

www.lewbryson.com

"John & Linda Rokosz" > wrote in message
...
> What's different? Our site specializes in brewpubs, arranged by state.
The
> reviews are our own in depth opinions, not just a copy of a menu blurb.
On
> request we provide a form for submitting your own review in the same
format.
> It's a simple, fast loading site with a speciaized theme.
>
Sure sounds like Pubcrawler.com to me....................

"John & Linda Rokosz" > wrote in message
...
> What's different? Our site specializes in brewpubs, arranged by state.
The
> reviews are our own in depth opinions, not just a copy of a menu blurb.
On
> request we provide a form for submitting your own review in the same
format.
> It's a simple, fast loading site with a speciaized theme.
>
Sure sounds like Pubcrawler.com to me....................

"Alexander D. Mitchell IV" > wrote in message
newsaf5d.2
> "John & Linda Rokosz" > wrote in message
> ...
> > What's different? Our site specializes in brewpubs, arranged by state.
> The
> > reviews are our own in depth opinions, not just a copy of a menu blurb.
> On
> > request we provide a form for submitting your own review in the same
> format.
> > It's a simple, fast loading site with a speciaized theme.
> >
> Sure sounds like Pubcrawler.com to me....................

No, to be honest, I'll give it one edge over Pubcrawler: sounds like it's
moderated, which is the only thing Pubcrawler is missing, in my estimation.

--
Lew Bryson

Their clothes are weird, their music sucks and they drink
malternatives. And now you tell me they probably don't think Sierra
Nevada is cool? This is what the passage of years does to you: It
makes everyone around you more stupid. -- Michael Stewart 6/24/02

www.lewbryson.com

"Alexander D. Mitchell IV" > wrote in message
newsaf5d.2
> "John & Linda Rokosz" > wrote in message
> ...
> > What's different? Our site specializes in brewpubs, arranged by state.
> The
> > reviews are our own in depth opinions, not just a copy of a menu blurb.
> On
> > request we provide a form for submitting your own review in the same
> format.
> > It's a simple, fast loading site with a speciaized theme.
> >
> Sure sounds like Pubcrawler.com to me....................

No, to be honest, I'll give it one edge over Pubcrawler: sounds like it's
moderated, which is the only thing Pubcrawler is missing, in my estimation.

--
Lew Bryson

Their clothes are weird, their music sucks and they drink
malternatives. And now you tell me they probably don't think Sierra
Nevada is cool? This is what the passage of years does to you: It
makes everyone around you more stupid. -- Michael Stewart 6/24/02

www.lewbryson.com