On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:41:41 -0500
"Fred" > wrote:


> Contrary to popular opinion, home mixers aren't adequate for mixing bread
> dough. Those that think they are don't make as much dough as you or I
> do. If you don't want to invest in a commercial mixer, the you might do
> what I've done and that is to keep 2 KA mixers. You can use one while
> the other one is being repaired. I generally get them to last about 8-9
> months and then something goes haywire. You're right in keeping them at
> speed #2. If you go past that, they will thrash themselves to death
> rather quickly. There is no way a home mixer is going to survive long
> making 2 bread doughs per day. I usually only make one.


I can mix and knead 11 pounds of bread dough with my 20 year old Bosch
Universal. It doesn't even struggle. My parents had one just like it that
made 11 pound batches of bread every week for several years without
requiring any service. In about 1991 they bought a new one and gave the old
one to my eldest sister, who has been using it since. At some point after
my sister got it, it required new bushings of some sort - was a minor
repair - and it's still going strong.

So I wouldn't say that *all home mixers aren't adequate.

I've seen what 11 pounds of bread dough does to a kitchenaid, tho.

"Eric Jorgensen" > wrote in message
news:20040829151425.4e41b3f0@wafer...
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:41:41 -0500
> "Fred" > wrote:
>
>
> > Contrary to popular opinion, home mixers aren't adequate for mixing
bread
> > dough. Those that think they are don't make as much dough as you or I
> > do. If you don't want to invest in a commercial mixer, the you might do
> > what I've done and that is to keep 2 KA mixers. You can use one while
> > the other one is being repaired. I generally get them to last about 8-9
> > months and then something goes haywire. You're right in keeping them at
> > speed #2. If you go past that, they will thrash themselves to death
> > rather quickly. There is no way a home mixer is going to survive long
> > making 2 bread doughs per day. I usually only make one.
>
>
> I can mix and knead 11 pounds of bread dough with my 20 year old Bosch
> Universal. It doesn't even struggle. My parents had one just like it that
> made 11 pound batches of bread every week for several years without
> requiring any service. In about 1991 they bought a new one and gave the
old
> one to my eldest sister, who has been using it since. At some point after
> my sister got it, it required new bushings of some sort - was a minor
> repair - and it's still going strong.
>
> So I wouldn't say that *all home mixers aren't adequate.
>
> I've seen what 11 pounds of bread dough does to a kitchenaid, tho.
>
My KA is 28 years old(KA45). I have made bread in it several times a week,
often every day for all those years. I also go way beyond batch capacity
and it has never broken down. It is all in how you approach the bread
making and how dry you make your bread dough. My bread (any kind) is mixed
a couple of minutes and then kneaded for about 4 minutes after an autolyse.
Janet

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Eric Jorgensen" > wrote in message
> news:20040829151425.4e41b3f0@wafer...
> > On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:41:41 -0500
> > "Fred" > wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Contrary to popular opinion, home mixers aren't adequate for mixing
> bread
> > > dough. Those that think they are don't make as much dough as you or I
> > > do. If you don't want to invest in a commercial mixer, the you might
do
> > > what I've done and that is to keep 2 KA mixers. You can use one while
> > > the other one is being repaired. I generally get them to last about
8-9
> > > months and then something goes haywire. You're right in keeping them
at
> > > speed #2. If you go past that, they will thrash themselves to death
> > > rather quickly. There is no way a home mixer is going to survive long
> > > making 2 bread doughs per day. I usually only make one.
> >
> >
> > I can mix and knead 11 pounds of bread dough with my 20 year old
Bosch
> > Universal. It doesn't even struggle. My parents had one just like it
that
> > made 11 pound batches of bread every week for several years without
> > requiring any service. In about 1991 they bought a new one and gave the
> old
> > one to my eldest sister, who has been using it since. At some point
after
> > my sister got it, it required new bushings of some sort - was a minor
> > repair - and it's still going strong.
> >
> > So I wouldn't say that *all home mixers aren't adequate.
> >
> > I've seen what 11 pounds of bread dough does to a kitchenaid, tho.
> >
> My KA is 28 years old(KA45). I have made bread in it several times a
week,
> often every day for all those years. I also go way beyond batch capacity
> and it has never broken down. It is all in how you approach the bread
> making and how dry you make your bread dough. My bread (any kind) is
mixed
> a couple of minutes and then kneaded for about 4 minutes after an
autolyse.
> Janet
>
OK, so you would like me to amend my statement to say that consumer mixers
available today aren't strong enough to mix bread dough every day. No
problem.

Fred
Foodie Forums
http://www.foodieforums.com

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:16:25 -0500
"Fred" > wrote:


> > > I've seen what 11 pounds of bread dough does to a kitchenaid, tho.
> > >
> > My KA is 28 years old(KA45). I have made bread in it several times a
> week,
> > often every day for all those years. I also go way beyond batch
> > capacity and it has never broken down. It is all in how you approach
> > the bread making and how dry you make your bread dough. My bread (any
> > kind) is
> mixed
> > a couple of minutes and then kneaded for about 4 minutes after an
> autolyse.
> > Janet
> >
> OK, so you would like me to amend my statement to say that consumer
> mixers available today aren't strong enough to mix bread dough every day.
> No
> problem.


*shrug*

KA 28 years ago was Hobart rather than the washing machine company. I'd
buy a refurbished 30 year old KA, no problem.

The Bosch today is actually stronger than the Bosch 20 years ago.

And i machine knead for 12 minutes. I'm not at all careful with it. One
time i had it on a smooth countertop that was a little greasy, left the
room, heard a *wham*, came back to find the bosch lying on it's side on
the floor, still kneading an apparently off-center load of dough. It'd
walked itself right off the counter. It's no worse for wear.

I keep meaning to open it up, clean things, give it a liberal
application of polysynthetic grease, but, meh.

To be fair, I was using the steel mixing bowl. Not sure how the plastic
one would have fared.

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:16:25 -0500
"Fred" > wrote:


> > > I've seen what 11 pounds of bread dough does to a kitchenaid, tho.
> > >
> > My KA is 28 years old(KA45). I have made bread in it several times a
> week,
> > often every day for all those years. I also go way beyond batch
> > capacity and it has never broken down. It is all in how you approach
> > the bread making and how dry you make your bread dough. My bread (any
> > kind) is
> mixed
> > a couple of minutes and then kneaded for about 4 minutes after an
> autolyse.
> > Janet
> >
> OK, so you would like me to amend my statement to say that consumer
> mixers available today aren't strong enough to mix bread dough every day.
> No
> problem.


*shrug*

KA 28 years ago was Hobart rather than the washing machine company. I'd
buy a refurbished 30 year old KA, no problem.

The Bosch today is actually stronger than the Bosch 20 years ago.

And i machine knead for 12 minutes. I'm not at all careful with it. One
time i had it on a smooth countertop that was a little greasy, left the
room, heard a *wham*, came back to find the bosch lying on it's side on
the floor, still kneading an apparently off-center load of dough. It'd
walked itself right off the counter. It's no worse for wear.

I keep meaning to open it up, clean things, give it a liberal
application of polysynthetic grease, but, meh.

To be fair, I was using the steel mixing bowl. Not sure how the plastic
one would have fared.

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Eric Jorgensen" > wrote in message
> news:20040829151425.4e41b3f0@wafer...
> > On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:41:41 -0500
> > "Fred" > wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Contrary to popular opinion, home mixers aren't adequate for mixing
> bread
> > > dough. Those that think they are don't make as much dough as you or I
> > > do. If you don't want to invest in a commercial mixer, the you might
do
> > > what I've done and that is to keep 2 KA mixers. You can use one while
> > > the other one is being repaired. I generally get them to last about
8-9
> > > months and then something goes haywire. You're right in keeping them
at
> > > speed #2. If you go past that, they will thrash themselves to death
> > > rather quickly. There is no way a home mixer is going to survive long
> > > making 2 bread doughs per day. I usually only make one.
> >
> >
> > I can mix and knead 11 pounds of bread dough with my 20 year old
Bosch
> > Universal. It doesn't even struggle. My parents had one just like it
that
> > made 11 pound batches of bread every week for several years without
> > requiring any service. In about 1991 they bought a new one and gave the
> old
> > one to my eldest sister, who has been using it since. At some point
after
> > my sister got it, it required new bushings of some sort - was a minor
> > repair - and it's still going strong.
> >
> > So I wouldn't say that *all home mixers aren't adequate.
> >
> > I've seen what 11 pounds of bread dough does to a kitchenaid, tho.
> >
> My KA is 28 years old(KA45). I have made bread in it several times a
week,
> often every day for all those years. I also go way beyond batch capacity
> and it has never broken down. It is all in how you approach the bread
> making and how dry you make your bread dough. My bread (any kind) is
mixed
> a couple of minutes and then kneaded for about 4 minutes after an
autolyse.
> Janet
>
OK, so you would like me to amend my statement to say that consumer mixers
available today aren't strong enough to mix bread dough every day. No
problem.

Fred
Foodie Forums
http://www.foodieforums.com

Eric Jorgensen > wrote in message news:<20040829151425.4e41b3f0@wafer>...
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:41:41 -0500
> "Fred" > wrote:
>
>
> > Contrary to popular opinion, home mixers aren't adequate for mixing bread
> > dough. Those that think they are don't make as much dough as you or I
> > do. If you don't want to invest in a commercial mixer, the you might do
> > what I've done and that is to keep 2 KA mixers. You can use one while
> > the other one is being repaired. I generally get them to last about 8-9
> > months and then something goes haywire. You're right in keeping them at
> > speed #2. If you go past that, they will thrash themselves to death
> > rather quickly. There is no way a home mixer is going to survive long
> > making 2 bread doughs per day. I usually only make one.
>
>
> I can mix and knead 11 pounds of bread dough with my 20 year old Bosch
> Universal. It doesn't even struggle. My parents had one just like it that
> made 11 pound batches of bread every week for several years without
> requiring any service. In about 1991 they bought a new one and gave the old
> one to my eldest sister, who has been using it since. At some point after
> my sister got it, it required new bushings of some sort - was a minor
> repair - and it's still going strong.
>
> So I wouldn't say that *all home mixers aren't adequate.
>
> I've seen what 11 pounds of bread dough does to a kitchenaid, tho.

How many pounds of flour to make 11 pounds of bread dough? I have
maxed out on using 7 pounds of flour on my Bosch.

"Ari's Judaica Treasures" > wrote in message
om...
> Eric Jorgensen > wrote in message
news:<20040829151425.4e41b3f0@wafer>...
> > On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:41:41 -0500
> > "Fred" > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > I can mix and knead 11 pounds of bread dough with my 20 year old
Bosch
> > Universal. It doesn't even struggle. My parents had one just like it
that
> > made 11 pound batches of bread every week for several years without
> > requiring any service. In about 1991 they bought a new one and gave the
old
> > one to my eldest sister, who has been using it since. At some point
after
> > my sister got it, it required new bushings of some sort - was a minor
> > repair - and it's still going strong.
> >
> > So I wouldn't say that *all home mixers aren't adequate.
> >
> > I've seen what 11 pounds of bread dough does to a kitchenaid, tho.
>
> How many pounds of flour to make 11 pounds of bread dough? I have
> maxed out on using 7 pounds of flour on my Bosch.

7lbs of flour and 60% hydration results in 11.2lbs of dough.

Graham

"Ari's Judaica Treasures" > wrote in message
om...
> Eric Jorgensen > wrote in message
news:<20040829151425.4e41b3f0@wafer>...
> > On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:41:41 -0500
> > "Fred" > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > I can mix and knead 11 pounds of bread dough with my 20 year old
Bosch
> > Universal. It doesn't even struggle. My parents had one just like it
that
> > made 11 pound batches of bread every week for several years without
> > requiring any service. In about 1991 they bought a new one and gave the
old
> > one to my eldest sister, who has been using it since. At some point
after
> > my sister got it, it required new bushings of some sort - was a minor
> > repair - and it's still going strong.
> >
> > So I wouldn't say that *all home mixers aren't adequate.
> >
> > I've seen what 11 pounds of bread dough does to a kitchenaid, tho.
>
> How many pounds of flour to make 11 pounds of bread dough? I have
> maxed out on using 7 pounds of flour on my Bosch.

7lbs of flour and 60% hydration results in 11.2lbs of dough.

Graham

"Eric Jorgensen" > wrote in message
news:20040829151425.4e41b3f0@wafer...
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:41:41 -0500
> "Fred" > wrote:
>
>
> > Contrary to popular opinion, home mixers aren't adequate for mixing
bread
> > dough. Those that think they are don't make as much dough as you or I
> > do. If you don't want to invest in a commercial mixer, the you might do
> > what I've done and that is to keep 2 KA mixers. You can use one while
> > the other one is being repaired. I generally get them to last about 8-9
> > months and then something goes haywire. You're right in keeping them at
> > speed #2. If you go past that, they will thrash themselves to death
> > rather quickly. There is no way a home mixer is going to survive long
> > making 2 bread doughs per day. I usually only make one.
>
>
> I can mix and knead 11 pounds of bread dough with my 20 year old Bosch
> Universal. It doesn't even struggle. My parents had one just like it that
> made 11 pound batches of bread every week for several years without
> requiring any service. In about 1991 they bought a new one and gave the
old
> one to my eldest sister, who has been using it since. At some point after
> my sister got it, it required new bushings of some sort - was a minor
> repair - and it's still going strong.
>
> So I wouldn't say that *all home mixers aren't adequate.
>
> I've seen what 11 pounds of bread dough does to a kitchenaid, tho.
>
My KA is 28 years old(KA45). I have made bread in it several times a week,
often every day for all those years. I also go way beyond batch capacity
and it has never broken down. It is all in how you approach the bread
making and how dry you make your bread dough. My bread (any kind) is mixed
a couple of minutes and then kneaded for about 4 minutes after an autolyse.
Janet

Eric Jorgensen > wrote in message news:<20040829151425.4e41b3f0@wafer>...
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:41:41 -0500
> "Fred" > wrote:
>
>
> > Contrary to popular opinion, home mixers aren't adequate for mixing bread
> > dough. Those that think they are don't make as much dough as you or I
> > do. If you don't want to invest in a commercial mixer, the you might do
> > what I've done and that is to keep 2 KA mixers. You can use one while
> > the other one is being repaired. I generally get them to last about 8-9
> > months and then something goes haywire. You're right in keeping them at
> > speed #2. If you go past that, they will thrash themselves to death
> > rather quickly. There is no way a home mixer is going to survive long
> > making 2 bread doughs per day. I usually only make one.
>
>
> I can mix and knead 11 pounds of bread dough with my 20 year old Bosch
> Universal. It doesn't even struggle. My parents had one just like it that
> made 11 pound batches of bread every week for several years without
> requiring any service. In about 1991 they bought a new one and gave the old
> one to my eldest sister, who has been using it since. At some point after
> my sister got it, it required new bushings of some sort - was a minor
> repair - and it's still going strong.
>
> So I wouldn't say that *all home mixers aren't adequate.
>
> I've seen what 11 pounds of bread dough does to a kitchenaid, tho.

How many pounds of flour to make 11 pounds of bread dough? I have
maxed out on using 7 pounds of flour on my Bosch.