I will not be defeated! So TJ doesn't carry my bread anymore. I'm looking
into a bread machine.

Much research has narrowed my decision to a Panasonic SD-YD250 ABM.

After reading back through the r.f.c archives and web reviews a couple
things came to mind.

The loaf size is much larger and more a square than an ordinary
rectangular loaf of white bread, so I'll be using it just to make the
dough and bake it in a reasonable loaf pan. I don't want to increase the
size of a sandwich as a result. I like my 4"x4" sandwich surface area.
That and one reviewer mentioned that the slices don't fit in a regular
toaster. I'll no doubt bake the first couple loaves in it. Do other bread
machines bake ordinary loaves?

I don't understand the use of an advance-ON timer. Can you really leave
those ingredients just sitting there for 13 hours without spoiling?

The unit is rated at 550 watts. Where is the energy spent? The kneading
is probably the most costly, with one hour of baking being second and the
resting being last, for a claimed 4 hour loaf cycle. I'm not worried
about the cost, just wondering.

The recipes in the on-line manual.pdf call for butter but my old bread
ingredients list canola oil. Is this a practical substitute in an ABM?

Lowest price: $119.00 at Abt Electronics.

Any thoughts?

Andy

Andy wrote:
> [snip]
> The loaf size is much larger and more a square than an ordinary
> rectangular loaf of white bread, so I'll be using it just to make the
> dough and bake it in a reasonable loaf pan.

I'd bet Panasonic (if that's the brand you like) makes a machine with a
standard size pan. Then you'd have more choices.
[snip]
> Do other bread
> machines bake ordinary loaves?

Yes. Some round-ish, some square-ish, some large, some small. If you
know what you want, you can find it.

> I don't understand the use of an advance-ON timer. Can you really leave
> those ingredients just sitting there for 13 hours without spoiling?

Yes, you can, as long as the yeast stays aways from the liquid. You'll
understand why it's a good option the first morning you wake up to a
just-done cinammon-raisin loaf.

>[snip]
> The recipes in the on-line manual.pdf call for butter but my old bread
> ingredients list canola oil. Is this a practical substitute in an ABM?

It's up to your taste. Bread is very flexible.

> Lowest price: $119.00 at Abt Electronics.

Bread machines are often on sale, wherever you look. Pick a couple of
likely prospects, shop around. Save enough money to buy "Bread Machine
Magic," the best intro to using these machines that I found. -aem

"aem" > wrote in news:1151523713.873120.142780
@d56g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:

>
> Andy wrote:
>> [snip]
>> The loaf size is much larger and more a square than an ordinary
>> rectangular loaf of white bread, so I'll be using it just to make the
>> dough and bake it in a reasonable loaf pan.
>
> I'd bet Panasonic (if that's the brand you like) makes a machine with a
> standard size pan. Then you'd have more choices.
> [snip]
>> Do other bread
>> machines bake ordinary loaves?
>
> Yes. Some round-ish, some square-ish, some large, some small. If you
> know what you want, you can find it.
>
>> I don't understand the use of an advance-ON timer. Can you really
leave
>> those ingredients just sitting there for 13 hours without spoiling?
>
> Yes, you can, as long as the yeast stays aways from the liquid. You'll
> understand why it's a good option the first morning you wake up to a
> just-done cinammon-raisin loaf.
>
>>[snip]
>> The recipes in the on-line manual.pdf call for butter but my old bread
>> ingredients list canola oil. Is this a practical substitute in an ABM?
>
> It's up to your taste. Bread is very flexible.
>
>> Lowest price: $119.00 at Abt Electronics.
>
> Bread machines are often on sale, wherever you look. Pick a couple of
> likely prospects, shop around. Save enough money to buy "Bread Machine
> Magic," the best intro to using these machines that I found. -aem


aem,

Good info. Thanks for the reply! The panasonic.com website only displays
that one model.

What machine do you use? I'm not committed to that model just yet, just
did a little due diligence before asking the group. Something I should do
more often. Breadman has so many models and didn't rate favorably
amongst buying reviewers, as far as I could tell.

Consumerreports.org didn't even have ratings for low-level subscribing
members. There appears to be several levels of subscriptions and related
review info.

All the best,

Andy

"Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
>I will not be defeated! So TJ doesn't carry my bread anymore. I'm looking
> into a bread machine.
>
> Much research has narrowed my decision to a Panasonic SD-YD250 ABM.
>
> After reading back through the r.f.c archives and web reviews a couple
> things came to mind.
>
> The loaf size is much larger and more a square than an ordinary
> rectangular loaf of white bread, so I'll be using it just to make the
> dough and bake it in a reasonable loaf pan. I don't want to increase the
> size of a sandwich as a result. I like my 4"x4" sandwich surface area.
> That and one reviewer mentioned that the slices don't fit in a regular
> toaster. I'll no doubt bake the first couple loaves in it. Do other bread
> machines bake ordinary loaves?
>
> I don't understand the use of an advance-ON timer. Can you really leave
> those ingredients just sitting there for 13 hours without spoiling?
>
> The unit is rated at 550 watts. Where is the energy spent? The kneading
> is probably the most costly, with one hour of baking being second and the
> resting being last, for a claimed 4 hour loaf cycle. I'm not worried
> about the cost, just wondering.
>
> The recipes in the on-line manual.pdf call for butter but my old bread
> ingredients list canola oil. Is this a practical substitute in an ABM?
>
> Lowest price: $119.00 at Abt Electronics.
>
> Any thoughts?

Bread machines are unbelievably common at thrift/charity stores, sometimes
new in the box. For cheap. Like $15 or $20. Garage sales, too.

Probably not exactly the model you want, but perhaps good enough to let you
decide whether a bread machine is the right device, and what options are
useful and which are useless. Then, if you want, you can spend more money,
but spend it a little more wisely.

A lot of people start off with the machines, then realize they've got this
big honkin' thing taking up counter space, and all they use it for is mixing
and kneading. So they toss the machine and do the kneading without it. Or
they give up on making bread, perhaps because of the limitations of the
machine they have.

Just my 2 cents. I've never owned a bread machine, but I know more than a
few people who used to.

Donna

Andy wrote:
> I will not be defeated! So TJ doesn't carry my bread anymore. I'm looking
> into a bread machine.
>
> Much research has narrowed my decision to a Panasonic SD-YD250 ABM.
>
> After reading back through the r.f.c archives and web reviews a couple
> things came to mind.
>
> The loaf size is much larger and more a square than an ordinary
> rectangular loaf of white bread, so I'll be using it just to make the
> dough and bake it in a reasonable loaf pan. I don't want to increase the
> size of a sandwich as a result. I like my 4"x4" sandwich surface area.
> That and one reviewer mentioned that the slices don't fit in a regular
> toaster. I'll no doubt bake the first couple loaves in it. Do other bread
> machines bake ordinary loaves?
>
> I don't understand the use of an advance-ON timer. Can you really leave
> those ingredients just sitting there for 13 hours without spoiling?
>
> The unit is rated at 550 watts. Where is the energy spent? The kneading
> is probably the most costly, with one hour of baking being second and the
> resting being last, for a claimed 4 hour loaf cycle. I'm not worried
> about the cost, just wondering.
>
> The recipes in the on-line manual.pdf call for butter but my old bread
> ingredients list canola oil. Is this a practical substitute in an ABM?
>
> Lowest price: $119.00 at Abt Electronics.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Andy

Here are my thoughts, such as they are.
I'm on my third bread machine. My forst was a West Bend. I got it in 1996 and
it was a work horse that served me until 2002. I used it all the time. My next
one was a cheapy Oster that I despised. It was loud, it got bogged down
easily, and the horizontal style pan meant that I had to stand over the
machine and scrape the ingredients in as the pan was too long for the blade to
reach everything. If I did not do this I would end up with funked up bread goo
surrounded by burned flour. I sold it at a garage sale for $5.

My current machine is a Breadman given to me for christmas this past year and
I love it. I use it all the time! The delay timer is wonderful if you want
fresh bread in the morning or when you get home from work. Most recipes will
warn you not to use the delay timer if they contain milk or eggs. I have used
the delay time on milk/egg containing recipes and I have survived.

I also use equivilent fats in my recipe. Generally, I tend to use canola or
olive oil instead of butter honestly because I'm a little lazy and don't feel
like futzing with butter when I can just pour the oil. The benefit (in my
mind) to using oil is that the measured oil lubes up the tablespoon and I can
measure my honey (when the recipe calls for it) into that and it will slide
right out!

I don't know the first thing about the wattage so I won't answer that.

I use mine to make bread and also focaccia, pizza dough and buns (I have cute
buns).

good luck and I hope this helps a bit.

--
..:Heather:.
www.velvet-c.com
Poor Impulse Control.

The Bubbo > wrote in
:

> I use mine to make bread and also focaccia, pizza dough and buns (I
> have cute buns).


The end result or your derriere?



Andy

"Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
>I will not be defeated! So TJ doesn't carry my bread anymore. I'm looking
> into a bread machine.
>
> Much research has narrowed my decision to a Panasonic SD-YD250 ABM.
>
> After reading back through the r.f.c archives and web reviews a couple
> things came to mind.
>
> The loaf size is much larger and more a square than an ordinary
> rectangular loaf of white bread, so I'll be using it just to make the
> dough and bake it in a reasonable loaf pan. I don't want to increase the
> size of a sandwich as a result. I like my 4"x4" sandwich surface area.
> That and one reviewer mentioned that the slices don't fit in a regular
> toaster. I'll no doubt bake the first couple loaves in it. Do other bread
> machines bake ordinary loaves?

Mine makes a tall rectangle that is sandwich sized once cut. I do sometimes
let it make the dough and bake in a different pan like for rolls or Foccasia
(sp?)

>
> I don't understand the use of an advance-ON timer. Can you really leave
> those ingredients just sitting there for 13 hours without spoiling?

My manual says don't leave spoiling ingredients in there for more than 4
hours. If I want to leave it longer I'll do a french bread, which is just
water, yeast and flour.

>
> The unit is rated at 550 watts. Where is the energy spent? The kneading
> is probably the most costly, with one hour of baking being second and the
> resting being last, for a claimed 4 hour loaf cycle. I'm not worried
> about the cost, just wondering.

I would think the warming and baking would take up more of the energy.

>
> The recipes in the on-line manual.pdf call for butter but my old bread
> ingredients list canola oil. Is this a practical substitute in an ABM?

I enjoy experimenting with my bread machine. I very seldom have had
something I couldn't remedy. I think only once did I make something that
wasn't edible. Not really sure what happened it just turned out as a giant
rock hard lump. Have never happened again. It was a really good smelling
"rock hard" lump. Just disappointing to see first thing in the morning.

Lynne

>
> Lowest price: $119.00 at Abt Electronics.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Andy

PS. My machine is a Zojirushi and it's 15 years old.

Lynne

On 2006-06-28, Andy <q> wrote:

> The loaf size is much larger and more a square than an ordinary
> rectangular loaf of white bread, so I'll be using it just to make the
> dough and bake it in a reasonable loaf pan. I don't want to increase the
> size of a sandwich as a result. I like my 4"x4" sandwich surface area.
> That and one reviewer mentioned that the slices don't fit in a regular
> toaster. I'll no doubt bake the first couple loaves in it. Do other bread
> machines bake ordinary loaves?

AFAIK, every bread machine has a fixed loaf "footprint" determined by
the pan, although different models have different pans. The loaves
made in the same machine can vary in height, so if you get a bread
machine with a 4" pan and experiment with recipes and quantities, you
might be able to get the bread about 4" high too.

Most bread machines also leave a paddle-shaped void in the middle of
the bottom of the loaf (so you can't pass off a loaf of machine-made
bread as "really home-made"), although I've heard that a few fancy
ones withdraw the paddle before the baking part of the program. (I
haven't seen one of these, but I'd expect it to involve a much more
complicated and therefore less reliable mechanism.)


> I don't understand the use of an advance-ON timer. Can you really leave
> those ingredients just sitting there for 13 hours without spoiling?

Yes, provided you don't use eggs and you keep the yeast separate from
the water, sugar, milk powder and salt. I do this by putting the oil
and those ingredients in first; then the seeds and flour; then the
yeast on top (where it's dry).

The advance timer is very useful because you can set the machine to
run while you're asleep and get the bread out when you get up, so that
you can have fresh bread first thing in the morning and you don't have
to set up the machine and ensure that you're back at home at the end
of the program (usually around three hours) to take it out.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:52:07 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:

>I will not be defeated! So TJ doesn't carry my bread anymore. I'm looking
>into a bread machine.
>
>Much research has narrowed my decision to a Panasonic SD-YD250 ABM.
>
>After reading back through the r.f.c archives and web reviews a couple
>things came to mind.
>
>The loaf size is much larger and more a square than an ordinary
>rectangular loaf of white bread, so I'll be using it just to make the
>dough and bake it in a reasonable loaf pan. I don't want to increase the
>size of a sandwich as a result. I like my 4"x4" sandwich surface area.
>That and one reviewer mentioned that the slices don't fit in a regular
>toaster. I'll no doubt bake the first couple loaves in it. Do other bread
>machines bake ordinary loaves?

Quite a while ago most manufacturers changed to 2 lb loaf and since
they didn't make the machines taller, they made them fatter which a)
increased the footprint of the machine and b) made the slices stupidly
large. Also, it seems a lot of people couldn't get past the vertical
configuration and square slices and would rather have a horizontal
loaf. Apparently they have kitchens with a lot of counter space,
which I don't have. So my goose is pretty much cooked when I have to
buy a new one.

My old 1.5 lb loaf Toastmaster from 1994 is still going. I had the
foresight at some point years ago to buy a spare breadpan which was
good because when the paddle on the old one got stiff I could still
use the machine. The non-stick is wearing off of this second one
(they don't make those breadpans anymore) but I'll get a few more
years use out of it by letting the bread sit in the pan for 5 min.
The crust isn't crunchy anymore but at least the loaf comes out in one
piece.

I dread the day I have to buy a new machine. If you like the machine
you buy, you might consider getting a spare bread pan. Especially if
you make a lot of whole wheat bread as that tends to scratch off the
non-stick coating after years of kneading.

>I don't understand the use of an advance-ON timer. Can you really leave
>those ingredients just sitting there for 13 hours without spoiling?

Yes, but use dried milk (and no eggs). The yeast goes on top of the
dry ingredients. Panasonic used to have a "yeast dispenser" (why oh
why?); I don't know whether they do anymore.
>
>The recipes in the on-line manual.pdf call for butter but my old bread
>ingredients list canola oil. Is this a practical substitute in an ABM?

No problem.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

Andy wrote:
> I will not be defeated! So TJ doesn't carry my bread anymore. I'm looking
> into a bread machine.
>
> Much research has narrowed my decision to a Panasonic SD-YD250 ABM.
>
> After reading back through the r.f.c archives and web reviews a couple
> things came to mind.
>
> The loaf size is much larger and more a square than an ordinary
> rectangular loaf of white bread, so I'll be using it just to make the
> dough and bake it in a reasonable loaf pan.

Soonds like you don't need any machine... are you so crippled, that you
can't knead the miniscule quantity of dough required for one measly
loaf of bread by hand?

> I don't want to increase the
> size of a sandwich as a result. I like my 4"x4" sandwich surface area.
> That and one reviewer mentioned that the slices don't fit in a regular
> toaster. I'll no doubt bake the first couple loaves in it. Do other bread
> machines bake ordinary loaves?

Some bake round loaves, others square/rectangular loaves... I've seen
no ABM bake loaves so large as you infer.... certainly none that the
slices won't fit a regular toaster, except of course if you slice them
too thick.

> I don't understand the use of an advance-ON timer. Can you really leave
> those ingredients just sitting there for 13 hours without spoiling?

To which ingredient(s) are you refering? I can't think of any typical
bread ingredients that require refrigeration over that period.

> The unit is rated at 550 watts. Where is the energy spent? The kneading
> is probably the most costly, with one hour of baking being second and the
> resting being last, for a claimed 4 hour loaf cycle. I'm not worried
> about the cost, just wondering.

Wattage ratings are for energy consumed *per hour*... that's in all
likelihood the wattage rating of the heating element... the motor would
have a different wattage rating, I'm sure much less, probably located
somewhere on the bottom of the machine or on the motor itself. And
again for the low IQers, wattage is a measure of energy *consumed*, NOT
energy produced... for energy produced see BTU/Horsepower.

> The recipes in the on-line manual.pdf call for butter but my old bread
> ingredients list canola oil. Is this a practical substitute in an ABM?

Any fat... pork fat rulz!

> Lowest price: $119.00 at Abt Electronics.
>
> Any thoughts?

Are you capable...

Sheldon Yeast

On 12 Jul 2006 08:53:09 -0700, "Sheldon" > wrote:

>
>>
>Wattage ratings are for energy consumed *per hour*... that's in all
>likelihood the wattage rating of the heating element... the motor would
>have a different wattage rating, I'm sure much less, probably located
>somewhere on the bottom of the machine or on the motor itself. And
>again for the low IQers, wattage is a measure of energy *consumed*, NOT
>energy produced... for energy produced see BTU/Horsepower.

Power plant output is normally expressed in megawatts. Wattage and
horsepower have a direct relationship ..one horsepower equals 746
watts.
>
>> The recipes in the on-line manual.pdf call for butter but my old bread
>> ingredients list canola oil. Is this a practical substitute in an ABM?
>
>Any fat... pork fat rulz!
>
>> Lowest price: $119.00 at Abt Electronics.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>
>Are you capable...
>
>Sheldon Yeast

Allan Matthews wrote:
> On 12 Jul 2006 08:53:09 -0700, "Sheldon" > wrote:
>
> >
> >>
> >Wattage ratings are for energy consumed *per hour*... that's in all
> >likelihood the wattage rating of the heating element... the motor would
> >have a different wattage rating, I'm sure much less, probably located
> >somewhere on the bottom of the machine or on the motor itself. And
> >again for the low IQers, wattage is a measure of energy *consumed*, NOT
> >energy produced... for energy produced see BTU/Horsepower.
>
> Wattage and horsepower have a direct relationship ..one horsepower equals 746
> watts.

So, you invented the perpetual motion machine.... zero losses... and
perhaps more energy out than in. Didja know that the automobile is not
very efficient (even electric, especially electric), more energy
consumed is wasted (converted to unused heat) than propels the vehicle.
Didja know that more than half the energy consumed by an incandescent
lamp is converted to heat... what a dumb way to heat your house. Next
you buy a stand mixer choose one with the highest wattage rating and no
transmission, it will heat your house best.

Sheldon

On 12 Jul 2006 19:08:14 -0700, "Sheldon" > wrote:

>
>Allan Matthews wrote:
>> On 12 Jul 2006 08:53:09 -0700, "Sheldon" > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >Wattage ratings are for energy consumed *per hour*... that's in all
>> >likelihood the wattage rating of the heating element... the motor would
>> >have a different wattage rating, I'm sure much less, probably located
>> >somewhere on the bottom of the machine or on the motor itself. And
>> >again for the low IQers, wattage is a measure of energy *consumed*, NOT
>> >energy produced... for energy produced see BTU/Horsepower.
>>
>> Wattage and horsepower have a direct relationship ..one horsepower equals 746
>> watts.
>
>So, you invented the perpetual motion machine.... zero losses... and
>perhaps more energy out than in. Didja know that the automobile is not
>very efficient (even electric, especially electric), more energy
>consumed is wasted (converted to unused heat) than propels the vehicle.
> Didja know that more than half the energy consumed by an incandescent
>lamp is converted to heat... what a dumb way to heat your house. Next
>you buy a stand mixer choose one with the highest wattage rating and no
>transmission, it will heat your house best.
>
>Sheldon

Yes Sheldon, I am aware of losses in the transmission and use of
energy. The fact remains, One Horsepower is equal to 746 watts. That
fact is not affested by loss.

Allan Matthews wrote:
> On 12 Jul 2006 19:08:14 -0700, "Sheldon" > wrote:
>
> >
> >Allan Matthews wrote:
> >> On 12 Jul 2006 08:53:09 -0700, "Sheldon" > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >Wattage ratings are for energy consumed *per hour*... that's in all
> >> >likelihood the wattage rating of the heating element... the motor would
> >> >have a different wattage rating, I'm sure much less, probably located
> >> >somewhere on the bottom of the machine or on the motor itself. And
> >> >again for the low IQers, wattage is a measure of energy *consumed*, NOT
> >> >energy produced... for energy produced see BTU/Horsepower.
> >>
> >> Wattage and horsepower have a direct relationship ..one horsepower equals 746
> >> watts.
> >
> >So, you invented the perpetual motion machine.... zero losses... and
> >perhaps more energy out than in. Didja know that the automobile is not
> >very efficient (even electric, especially electric), more energy
> >consumed is wasted (converted to unused heat) than propels the vehicle.
> > Didja know that more than half the energy consumed by an incandescent
> >lamp is converted to heat... what a dumb way to heat your house. Next
> >you buy a stand mixer choose one with the highest wattage rating and no
> >transmission, it will heat your house best.
> >
> >Sheldon
>
> Yes Sheldon, I am aware of losses in the transmission and use of
> energy. The fact remains, One Horsepower is equal to 746 watts. That
> fact is not affested by loss.

That's fine if one never actually attempts to *use* energy. Btw, did
you know you're an imbecile.

Sheldon

Sheldon wrote:
> Didja know that the automobile is not
> very efficient (even electric, especially electric),

efficient is a relative term

if one 4 footed naaying horse produces say.. 5 lbs of doo doo per day

then a 300 horsepower Dodge Viper produces 1500 lbs of doo doo per day

inefficient hey?... hmmm

sure beats walking

Sheldon > wrote:

> Wattage ratings are for energy consumed *per hour*... that's in all

Ah, Sheldon showing off his ignorance of basic electrical principals
again I see. Wattage is an instantaneous measurment, watt-hours is
the energy consumed per hour.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

ranck_lavatory-scrubber@vt.*edu* STEALS his employer's services:
> Sheldon wrote:
>
> > Wattage ratings are for energy consumed *per hour*
>
> Ah, Sheldon showing off his ignorance of basic electrical principals
> again I see. Wattage is an instantaneous measurment, watt-hours is
> the energy consumed per hour.

****ing moron... wattage is ALWAYS expressed over time, watts per hour
being the international standard... watts can't be expressed
instantaneously because it's not possible to consume power
instantaneously, not on this planet, not in this solar system, not in
this universe... nothing can be consumed without the element of time,
you can't even eat shit lest time passes. IN fact ALL electrical
functions occur over time, ALWAYS! Without "time" electricity can't be
produced or consumed... in fact nothing exists without time, NOTHING!
When time ceases to exist so does this universe... you dumb alien rank
mother****er.

Sheldon

On 13 Jul 2006 18:20:15 -0700, "Sheldon" > wrote:

>
>ranck_lavatory-scrubber@vt.*edu* STEALS his employer's services:
>> Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> > Wattage ratings are for energy consumed *per hour*
>>
>> Ah, Sheldon showing off his ignorance of basic electrical principals
>> again I see. Wattage is an instantaneous measurment, watt-hours is
>> the energy consumed per hour.
>
>****ing moron... wattage is ALWAYS expressed over time, watts per hour
>being the international standard... watts can't be expressed
>instantaneously because it's not possible to consume power
>instantaneously, not on this planet, not in this solar system, not in
>this universe... nothing can be consumed without the element of time,
>you can't even eat shit lest time passes. IN fact ALL electrical
>functions occur over time, ALWAYS! Without "time" electricity can't be
>produced or consumed... in fact nothing exists without time, NOTHING!
>When time ceases to exist so does this universe... you dumb alien rank
>mother****er.
>
>Sheldon

It is watts multiplied by hours, not divided by housr... kilowatt
hours.
A watt is a current of one ampere flowing through a conductor with a
potential voltage of one volt. It is an instantaneous unit.

Sheldon > wrote:

> ****ing moron... wattage is ALWAYS expressed over time, watts per hour
> being the international standard... watts can't be expressed
> instantaneously because it's not possible to consume power
> instantaneously, not on this planet, not in this solar system, not in

Just which planet are you on? On Earth watts is and instananeous
measurement. Watt-hours is the measure of usage. Look it up and
maybe learn something, or continue your obscene ranting and remain
ignorant.

> you can't even eat shit lest time passes. IN fact ALL electrical
> functions occur over time, ALWAYS! Without "time" electricity can't be
> produced or consumed... in fact nothing exists without time, NOTHING!
> When time ceases to exist so does this universe... you dumb alien rank
> mother****er.

As always, when shown to be wrong you start spewing obscenities and
calling people names. You are neither correct, nor scary, just wrong.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

For the record...watts are joules/second (where joules are a measure of energy). So multiplying
watts and hours, you get a scaled measure of energy. Electric meters, for example, either on the
side of the house or in the basement are measuring kW-hours, or again, a scaled value for energy.
It might have made sense to redo the electic meter display for Joules, but I guess kW-hours is
more traditional.

Andy wrote:

> The unit is rated at 550 watts. Where is the energy spent? The kneading
> is probably the most costly, with one hour of baking being second and the
> resting being last, for a claimed 4 hour loaf cycle. I'm not worried
> about the cost, just wondering.

hmmm


DAMN this is some good coffee

tell me, what kind of bread has got you wanting to make your own?

maybe I could reccommend a tastier bread

Andy <q> wrote:

> The unit is rated at 550 watts. Where is the energy spent? The kneading
> is probably the most costly, with one hour of baking being second and the
> resting being last, for a claimed 4 hour loaf cycle. I'm not worried
> about the cost, just wondering.

I'm guessing, but the wattage rating is probably the sum of the
motor and heating element wattage ratings. It's the maximum
theoretical electrical usage at any given time if both the heater
and motor were running full on, an unlikely situation.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

services THIEF:
> Andy <q> wrote:
>
> > The unit is rated at 550 watts. Where is the energy spent? The kneading
> > is probably the most costly, with one hour of baking being second and the
> > resting being last, for a claimed 4 hour loaf cycle. I'm not worried
> > about the cost, just wondering.
>
> I'm guessing,
>
>but the wattage rating is probably the sum of the
> motor and heating element wattage ratings. It's the maximum
> theoretical electrical usage at any given time if both the heater
> and motor were running full on, an unlikely situation.

Rank idiot... not even intelligent enough to swab urinals.

Sheldon

On 13 Jul 2006 18:24:40 -0700, "Sheldon" > wrote:

>
services THIEF:
>> Andy <q> wrote:
>>
>> > The unit is rated at 550 watts. Where is the energy spent? The kneading
>> > is probably the most costly, with one hour of baking being second and the
>> > resting being last, for a claimed 4 hour loaf cycle. I'm not worried
>> > about the cost, just wondering.
>>
>> I'm guessing,
>>
>>but the wattage rating is probably the sum of the
>> motor and heating element wattage ratings. It's the maximum
>> theoretical electrical usage at any given time if both the heater
>> and motor were running full on, an unlikely situation.
>
>Rank idiot... not even intelligent enough to swab urinals.
>
>Sheldon

this comment comes from a person who said "Cast iron and high carbon
steel are 'xactly the same thing"

Allan Matthews > wrote:
> On 13 Jul 2006 18:24:40 -0700, "Sheldon" > wrote:

> >Rank idiot... not even intelligent enough to swab urinals.
> >
> >Sheldon

> this comment comes from a person who said "Cast iron and high carbon
> steel are 'xactly the same thing"

Sheldon always starts foaming at the mouth when someone points
out an error. He can't ever just suck it up and admit he
is wrong, so he tries to intimidate people into not challenging
his falsehoods.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.