I have two bottles of "brown" sauce sitting in front of me, both of
which claim to be the "original". A1 says "established 1862" and HP
claims that it has "set the standard for quality since 1899". I suppose
various interpretations of the words are possible. Both sauces show the
usual creative packaging; A1's bottle is 10 oz and HP's 9 oz. A1 belongs
to Kraft and HP is a "product of Holland" but claims to be British (and
has a royal appointment to support that).

The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the
more acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone
have strong opinions?


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Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 9:20:14 AM UTC-8, James Silverton wrote:
> I have two bottles of "brown" sauce sitting in front of me, both of
> which claim to be the "original". A1 says "established 1862" and HP
> claims that it has "set the standard for quality since 1899". I suppose
> various interpretations of the words are possible. Both sauces show the
> usual creative packaging; A1's bottle is 10 oz and HP's 9 oz. A1 belongs
> to Kraft and HP is a "product of Holland" but claims to be British (and
> has a royal appointment to support that).
>
> The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the
> more acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone
> have strong opinions?

I never use either one of them alone as a pour out of the bottle steak sauce.
When I do a steak in my cast iron skillet....sear - sear - oven method.....I then make a sauce in the pan while the steak is resting.

Here is my methodology, and trust me, it's really good:
Add another pat or two of butter to the pan,
put in a good glug or two of red wine,
a couple shakes of worschestershire,
a couple shakes of tamari,
a glug of A1 or HP and let reduce a bit,
then taste and finish with about 1/2 teaspoon or so of brown sugar (takes away the harsh).
Boil a minute more and then serve with the steak.

Sometimes I brown some mushrooms and then add chopped bacon before the rest of the above ingredients.

Try this once. You will never go back to just bottled sauce.

On 3/2/2015 12:21 PM, James Silverton wrote:
> I have two bottles of "brown" sauce sitting in front of me, both of
> which claim to be the "original". A1 says "established 1862" and HP
> claims that it has "set the standard for quality since 1899". I suppose
> various interpretations of the words are possible. Both sauces show the
> usual creative packaging; A1's bottle is 10 oz and HP's 9 oz. A1 belongs
> to Kraft and HP is a "product of Holland" but claims to be British (and
> has a royal appointment to support that).
>
> The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the
> more acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone
> have strong opinions?
>
>
Just to allow a wider range of opinions, there is or used to be another
brown sauce in Britain called "Yorkshire Relish".

--
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Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

On 2015-03-02 17:21:04 +0000, James Silverton said:

> I have two bottles of "brown" sauce sitting in front of me, both of
> which claim to be the "original".

Do either of them mention what the originality refers to? The sauce,
the taste, the bottle, the usage?

> A1 says "established 1862"...

Wiki points out that it "It went into commercial production" in 1831.

> ...and HP claims that it has "set the standard for quality since 1899".
> I suppose various interpretations of the words are possible.

"Setting 'quality' standards" is certainly different from "original
recipe" or "first producer" or "first commercial producer". The
inventor registered the name initially in 1895 (wiki).

> Both sauces show the usual creative packaging; A1's bottle is 10 oz and
> HP's 9 oz. A1 belongs to Kraft and HP is a "product of Holland" but
> claims to be British (and has a royal appointment to support that).

Wiki says it was originally a British product, purchased by Heinz in
2005, and is currently manufactured and bottled in Elst, Netherlands.

> The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the
> more acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone
> have strong opinions?

I've only rarely tried HP sauce so hardly remember it. I eschew A1 on
steak as I avoid ketchup on meat or meatloaf, just a
socially-inculcated limitation. Ten or 15 years ago I turned down the
A1 bottle, as did all my companions, at a conference where most of us
were served steak, and a pitiable steak at that. One guy used the A1
and stated the steak was "almost edible". One by one everybody at the
table then used it. Since then I've considered it critical to use on
poor quality meats wherever I go.

I just remembered that in my youth I ran out of Worcestershire sauce
which I used, with some diced onions, to make burgers. I had an
ancient bottle of A1 in the fridge and used that instead and thought it
was great. Then I forgot about it.
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"James Silverton" > wrote in message
...
>I have two bottles of "brown" sauce sitting in front of me, both of which
>claim to be the "original". A1 says "established 1862" and HP claims that
>it has "set the standard for quality since 1899". I suppose various
>interpretations of the words are possible. Both sauces show the usual
>creative packaging; A1's bottle is 10 oz and HP's 9 oz. A1 belongs to Kraft
>and HP is a "product of Holland" but claims to be British (and has a royal
>appointment to support that).
>
> The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the more
> acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone have
> strong opinions?


A! is awful stuff. It ruins the flavor of a good steak. I mikght use it to
coer the taste of a rancid one, though. HP is milder and I like it on fish
and chips like they do in England.



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On 3/2/2015 7:21 AM, James Silverton wrote:
> I have two bottles of "brown" sauce sitting in front of me, both of
> which claim to be the "original". A1 says "established 1862" and HP
> claims that it has "set the standard for quality since 1899". I suppose
> various interpretations of the words are possible. Both sauces show the
> usual creative packaging; A1's bottle is 10 oz and HP's 9 oz. A1 belongs
> to Kraft and HP is a "product of Holland" but claims to be British (and
> has a royal appointment to support that).
>
> The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the
> more acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone
> have strong opinions?
>
>

This is why I don't like to read labels - it just complicates things.
OTOH, I never did care for the taste of those sour sauces. I like to mix
up my own sauce anyway - the kids just love that stuff!

On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 12:21:04 -0500, James Silverton
> wrote:

>I have two bottles of "brown" sauce sitting in front of me, both of
>which claim to be the "original". A1 says "established 1862" and HP
>claims that it has "set the standard for quality since 1899". I suppose
>various interpretations of the words are possible. Both sauces show the
>usual creative packaging; A1's bottle is 10 oz and HP's 9 oz. A1 belongs
>to Kraft and HP is a "product of Holland" but claims to be British (and
>has a royal appointment to support that).
>
>The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the
>more acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone
>have strong opinions?

Neither beats ketchup, much less barbeque sauce, if you really need to
pollute your steak with anything. Then there's mustard or
horseradish.

J.

On 3/2/2015 2:19 PM, l not -l wrote:
> On 2-Mar-2015, James Silverton > wrote:
>
>> The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the
>> more acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone
>> have strong opinions?
>
> It is my strong opinion that I would avoid a steak that required anything
> other than salt and pepper.

Agree with that. S & P enhances the steak, A1 and the like mask the
good flavor of the beef.

On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 14:42:38 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/2/2015 2:19 PM, l not -l wrote:
>> On 2-Mar-2015, James Silverton > wrote:
>>
>>> The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the
>>> more acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone
>>> have strong opinions?
>>
>> It is my strong opinion that I would avoid a steak that required anything
>> other than salt and pepper.
>
>Agree with that. S & P enhances the steak, A1 and the like mask the
>good flavor of the beef.

I don't have those silly sauces at home, the only way I know how awful
they are is from tasting at a restaurant out of curiosity. A good
piece of beef steak doesn't need steak sauce, not ketchup either...
occasionally for a good steak I'll saute a pile of 'shrooms in budda,
but really all a good steak needs is a smidge of s n' p. For pot
roast or ground beef steaks if anything I prefer a creamy
horseradish... for one of my burgers I like lots of sauted onyuns and
a bit of Heinz red.

On 3/2/2015 1:50 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 14:42:38 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/2/2015 2:19 PM, l not -l wrote:
>>> On 2-Mar-2015, James Silverton > wrote:
>>>
>>>> The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the
>>>> more acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone
>>>> have strong opinions?
>>>
>>> It is my strong opinion that I would avoid a steak that required anything
>>> other than salt and pepper.
>>
>> Agree with that. S & P enhances the steak, A1 and the like mask the
>> good flavor of the beef.
>
> I don't have those silly sauces at home, the only way I know how awful
> they are is from tasting at a restaurant out of curiosity. A good
> piece of beef steak doesn't need steak sauce, not ketchup either...
> occasionally for a good steak I'll saute a pile of 'shrooms in budda,
> but really all a good steak needs is a smidge of s n' p. For pot
> roast or ground beef steaks if anything I prefer a creamy
> horseradish... for one of my burgers I like lots of sauted onyuns and
> a bit of Heinz red.
>

I agree that the flavor of good beef needs no adornment. I cringe when
people buy good steak, then marinate it. Cheap meat, yeah I can see
that. But with a good ribeye or porterhouse, it's just plain wrong.

I know a guy who insists that every grilled steak should be finished
with a pat of butter melting on top of it. I could go with that, since
the butter will neither diminish nor conflict with the flavor of the
meat itself. But that's as inventive as I want to go with good beef.

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 12:36:18 PM UTC-8, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
> On 3/2/2015 1:50 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 14:42:38 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/2/2015 2:19 PM, l not -l wrote:
> >>> On 2-Mar-2015, James Silverton > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the
> >>>> more acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone
> >>>> have strong opinions?
> >>>
> >>> It is my strong opinion that I would avoid a steak that required anything
> >>> other than salt and pepper.
> >>
> >> Agree with that. S & P enhances the steak, A1 and the like mask the
> >> good flavor of the beef.
> >
> > I don't have those silly sauces at home, the only way I know how awful
> > they are is from tasting at a restaurant out of curiosity. A good
> > piece of beef steak doesn't need steak sauce, not ketchup either...
> > occasionally for a good steak I'll saute a pile of 'shrooms in budda,
> > but really all a good steak needs is a smidge of s n' p. For pot
> > roast or ground beef steaks if anything I prefer a creamy
> > horseradish... for one of my burgers I like lots of sauted onyuns and
> > a bit of Heinz red.
> >
>
> I agree that the flavor of good beef needs no adornment. I cringe when
> people buy good steak, then marinate it. Cheap meat, yeah I can see
> that. But with a good ribeye or porterhouse, it's just plain wrong.
>
> I know a guy who insists that every grilled steak should be finished
> with a pat of butter melting on top of it. I could go with that, since
> the butter will neither diminish nor conflict with the flavor of the
> meat itself. But that's as inventive as I want to go with good beef.

I agree in so far as a good piece of steak stands on it's own. But a well made sauce is served as an enhancement to a dish, not to mask it. I love steak, but I also love a really good hand made sauce alongside as an enhancement to the meal.

In article >,
says...
>
> I have two bottles of "brown" sauce sitting in front of me, both of
> which claim to be the "original". A1 says "established 1862" and HP
> claims that it has "set the standard for quality since 1899". I suppose
> various interpretations of the words are possible. Both sauces show the
> usual creative packaging; A1's bottle is 10 oz and HP's 9 oz. A1 belongs
> to Kraft and HP is a "product of Holland" but claims to be British (and
> has a royal appointment to support that).

The original HP sauce was British, but the traditional use for it
here was not on steaks. Used here as a condiment on the trad bacon
sausage and eggs breakfast; or pork pies, egg butties, fish fingers.

Janet UK

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> A.1 is way too tart to be used for steak, or even hamburgers. Maybe
> if they reduced the vinegar by half it would edible. The best general
> purpose "steak sauce" out there is Heinz 57 but I rarely use it on
> actual steaks. Smith and Wollensky also makes a mighty fine steak
> sauce, but expensive.

Lee&Perrins makes a tasty steak sauce. I rarely use any though.

G.

On 02/03/2015 10:28 AM, James Silverton wrote:
> On 3/2/2015 12:21 PM, James Silverton wrote:
>> I have two bottles of "brown" sauce sitting in front of me, both of
>> which claim to be the "original". A1 says "established 1862" and HP
>> claims that it has "set the standard for quality since 1899". I suppose
>> various interpretations of the words are possible. Both sauces show the
>> usual creative packaging; A1's bottle is 10 oz and HP's 9 oz. A1 belongs
>> to Kraft and HP is a "product of Holland" but claims to be British (and
>> has a royal appointment to support that).
>>
>> The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the
>> more acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone
>> have strong opinions?
>>
>>
> Just to allow a wider range of opinions, there is or used to be another
> brown sauce in Britain called "Yorkshire Relish".
>
Henderson's Relish (made in Sheffield) was/is an ersatz version of
Worcester Sauce.
Graham

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On 02/03/2015 11:35 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "James Silverton" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I have two bottles of "brown" sauce sitting in front of me, both of which
>> claim to be the "original". A1 says "established 1862" and HP claims that
>> it has "set the standard for quality since 1899". I suppose various
>> interpretations of the words are possible. Both sauces show the usual
>> creative packaging; A1's bottle is 10 oz and HP's 9 oz. A1 belongs to Kraft
>> and HP is a "product of Holland" but claims to be British (and has a royal
>> appointment to support that).
>>
>> The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the more
>> acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone have
>> strong opinions?
>
>
> A! is awful stuff. It ruins the flavor of a good steak. I mikght use it to
> coer the taste of a rancid one, though. HP is milder and I like it on fish
> and chips like they do in England.
>
>
I doubt that many English put it on their fish and chips! Salt and
vinegar is
all that's needed!
Graham

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
...
>I have two bottles of "brown" sauce sitting in front of me, both of which
>claim to be the "original". A1 says "established 1862" and HP claims that
>it has "set the standard for quality since 1899". I suppose various
>interpretations of the words are possible. Both sauces show the usual
>creative packaging; A1's bottle is 10 oz and HP's 9 oz. A1 belongs to Kraft
>and HP is a "product of Holland" but claims to be British (and has a royal
>appointment to support that).
>
> The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the more
> acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone have
> strong opinions?

HP has tamarind in it. I don't think the other does. I didn't like the HP.
I used it in some recipe but now I can't remember what it was.

On 2015-03-02 17:27:59 +0000, ImStillMags said:

> I never use either one of them alone as a pour out of the bottle steak sauce.
> When I do a steak in my cast iron skillet....sear - sear - oven
> method.....I then make a sauce in the pan while the steak is resting.
>
> Here is my methodology, and trust me, it's really good:
> Add another pat or two of butter to the pan,
> put in a good glug or two of red wine,
> a couple shakes of worschestershire,
> a couple shakes of tamari,
> a glug of A1 or HP and let reduce a bit,
> then taste and finish with about 1/2 teaspoon or so of brown sugar
> (takes away the harsh).
> Boil a minute more and then serve with the steak.
>
> Sometimes I brown some mushrooms and then add chopped bacon before the
> rest of the above ingredients.
>
> Try this once. You will never go back to just bottled sauce.

It looks damned interesting. Thanks for input.
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On 2015-03-02 17:43:13 +0000, Sqwertz said:

> A.1 is way too tart to be used for steak, or even hamburgers. Maybe
> if they reduced the vinegar by half it would edible. The best general
> purpose "steak sauce" out there is Heinz 57 but I rarely use it on
> actual steaks. Smith and Wollensky also makes a mighty fine steak
> sauce, but expensive.

Does a really good steak need steak sauce? Or do you do this kind of
thing when working with lesser quality meat?
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On Mon, 2 Mar 2015 19:19:05 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>
>On 2-Mar-2015, James Silverton > wrote:
>
>> The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the
>> more acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone
>> have strong opinions?
>
>It is my strong opinion that I would avoid a steak that required anything
>other than salt and pepper.

Well, now and again it's worth trying some other spices even on pretty
good steaks, I mean at least butter and garlic, but mostly stuff used
for basting. Or put the spices in the side dishes and leave the meat
alone!

J.

On 2015-03-02 20:36:15 +0000, Moe DeLoughan said:

> I agree that the flavor of good beef needs no adornment. I cringe when
> people buy good steak, then marinate it. Cheap meat, yeah I can see
> that. But with a good ribeye or porterhouse, it's just plain wrong.

One of the best steaks I ever had was a rosemary/thyme rubbed
porterhouse at the 21 Club. I admit the ambience juked it up a bit,
but it was great.

> I know a guy who insists that every grilled steak should be finished
> with a pat of butter melting on top of it. I could go with that, since
> the butter will neither diminish nor conflict with the flavor of the
> meat itself. But that's as inventive as I want to go with good beef.

That image is bored into my head from the 50's, but I think a good
steak is rich enough. What I REALLY don't like is herb-butter put on a
steak.
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On 2015-03-03 00:37:30 +0000, James Silverton said:

> ...and, of course, Canadians use cottage cheese to make Poutine (potato
> not politician).

Poutine has started popping up with a vengeance in numerous places in
SoCal. I won't eat it, because I'm a loyal to Ukraine, not the bogus
"separatists".
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"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 02/03/2015 11:35 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "James Silverton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I have two bottles of "brown" sauce sitting in front of me, both of
>>> which
>>> claim to be the "original". A1 says "established 1862" and HP claims
>>> that
>>> it has "set the standard for quality since 1899". I suppose various
>>> interpretations of the words are possible. Both sauces show the usual
>>> creative packaging; A1's bottle is 10 oz and HP's 9 oz. A1 belongs to
>>> Kraft
>>> and HP is a "product of Holland" but claims to be British (and has a
>>> royal
>>> appointment to support that).
>>>
>>> The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the
>>> more
>>> acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone have
>>> strong opinions?
>>
>>
>> A! is awful stuff. It ruins the flavor of a good steak. I mikght use it
>> to
>> coer the taste of a rancid one, though. HP is milder and I like it on
>> fish
>> and chips like they do in England.
>>
>>
> I doubt that many English put it on their fish and chips! Salt and vinegar
> is
> all that's needed!

I sometimes see people putting on ketchup, but never brown sauce!

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On 3/3/2015 4:05 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "graham" > wrote
>> On 02/03/2015 11:35 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> A! is awful stuff. It ruins the flavor of a good steak. I mikght
>>> use it to coer the taste of a rancid one, though. HP is milder and I like it
>>> on fish and chips like they do in England.
>>>
>> I doubt that many English put it on their fish and chips! Salt and
>> vinegar is all that's needed!
>
> I sometimes see people putting on ketchup, but never brown sauce!
>
In Edinburgh (which has many English residents), a thin brown sauce is
often used on fish and chips.
Not by me, though.

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/3/2015 4:05 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "graham" > wrote
>>> On 02/03/2015 11:35 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>> A! is awful stuff. It ruins the flavor of a good steak. I mikght
>>>> use it to coer the taste of a rancid one, though. HP is milder and I
>>>> like it
>>>> on fish and chips like they do in England.
>>>>
>>> I doubt that many English put it on their fish and chips! Salt and
>>> vinegar is all that's needed!
>>
>> I sometimes see people putting on ketchup, but never brown sauce!
>>
> In Edinburgh (which has many English residents), a thin brown sauce is
> often used on fish and chips.
> Not by me, though.

'Ahh yes, I had forgotten that, but isn't it diluted with vinegar?

I have never seen it in England though. Perhaps the English there think it
is a local delicacy <eg>

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On 3/3/2015 9:02 AM, Ophelia wrote
> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>> On 3/3/2015 4:05 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "graham" > wrote
>>>> On 02/03/2015 11:35 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>> A! is awful stuff. It ruins the flavor of a good steak. I mikght
>>>>> use it to coer the taste of a rancid one, though. HP is milder and
>>>>> I like it on fish and chips like they do in England.
>>>> I doubt that many English put it on their fish and chips! Salt and
>>>> vinegar is all that's needed!
>>> I sometimes see people putting on ketchup, but never brown sauce!
>>>
>> In Edinburgh (which has many English residents), a thin brown sauce is
>> often used on fish and chips.
>> Not by me, though.
>
> 'Ahh yes, I had forgotten that, but isn't it diluted with vinegar?
>
I believe so.

> I have never seen it in England though. Perhaps the English there think
> it is a local delicacy <eg>
>

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 02/03/2015 11:35 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "James Silverton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I have two bottles of "brown" sauce sitting in front of me, both of
>>> which
>>> claim to be the "original". A1 says "established 1862" and HP claims
>>> that
>>> it has "set the standard for quality since 1899". I suppose various
>>> interpretations of the words are possible. Both sauces show the usual
>>> creative packaging; A1's bottle is 10 oz and HP's 9 oz. A1 belongs to
>>> Kraft
>>> and HP is a "product of Holland" but claims to be British (and has a
>>> royal
>>> appointment to support that).
>>>
>>> The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the
>>> more
>>> acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone have
>>> strong opinions?
>>
>>
>> A! is awful stuff. It ruins the flavor of a good steak. I mikght use it
>> to
>> coer the taste of a rancid one, though. HP is milder and I like it on
>> fish
>> and chips like they do in England.
>>
>>
> I doubt that many English put it on their fish and chips! Salt and vinegar
> is
> all that's needed!

That's good, too.



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On 3/3/2015 1:25 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>


>>
>> Grin, I'll join the club. I'm trying to figure out what 'HP' is.
>>
>> I do use a fair amount of L&P worstershire, A1, and Heinz57 but they
>> aren't saucing a steak. More apt to be used on Pork here. The
>> worstershire for fish. Mael Ploy and Jufran Banana sauce woud be the
>> bulk component for the pork.
>
> Wow! Two people who have never heard of it? Wow!


Readily available at any place selling British Foods.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_Sauce
The original recipe for HP Sauce was invented and developed by Frederick
Gibson Garton, a grocer from Nottingham.[5] He registered the name H.P.
Sauce in 1895. Garton called the sauce HP because he had heard that a
restaurant in the Houses of Parliament had begun serving it.[6] For many
years the bottle labels have carried a picture of the Houses of
Parliament. Garton sold the recipe and HP brand to Edwin Samson Moore
for the sum of £150 and the settlement of some unpaid bills.[6] Moore,
the founder of the Midlands Vinegar Company (the forerunner of HP
Foods), subsequently launched HP Sauce in 1903.

For many years the description on the label was in both English and
French. The factory in Aston, Birmingham, was once bisected by the
A38(M) motorway and had a pipeline, carrying vinegar over the motorway,
from the Top Yard to the main Tower Road factory site. The Top Yard site
was subsequently closed, and vinegar was not brewed on the Aston site
during the last few years of production there. HP Sauce in its original
years was known as "The Handkerchief" because of the reversal of the
name "Garton's".

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 5:44:53 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
> On 02/03/2015 11:35 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > "James Silverton" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> I have two bottles of "brown" sauce sitting in front of me, both of which
> >> claim to be the "original". A1 says "established 1862" and HP claims that
> >> it has "set the standard for quality since 1899". I suppose various
> >> interpretations of the words are possible. Both sauces show the usual
> >> creative packaging; A1's bottle is 10 oz and HP's 9 oz. A1 belongs to Kraft
> >> and HP is a "product of Holland" but claims to be British (and has a royal
> >> appointment to support that).
> >>
> >> The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the more
> >> acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone have
> >> strong opinions?
> >
> >
> > A! is awful stuff. It ruins the flavor of a good steak. I mikght use it to
> > coer the taste of a rancid one, though. HP is milder and I like it on fish
> > and chips like they do in England.
> >
> >
> I doubt that many English put it on their fish and chips! Salt and
> vinegar is all that's needed!
>
Salt and lemon (or lime) juice is far better than salt and vinegar. If I
were served vinegar with fish, I might exclaim, "Blimey! You think I'm a
Limey?"
>
> Graham

--Bryan

On 03/03/2015 6:29 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 5:44:53 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>> On 02/03/2015 11:35 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> "James Silverton" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> I have two bottles of "brown" sauce sitting in front of me, both of which
>>>> claim to be the "original". A1 says "established 1862" and HP claims that
>>>> it has "set the standard for quality since 1899". I suppose various
>>>> interpretations of the words are possible. Both sauces show the usual
>>>> creative packaging; A1's bottle is 10 oz and HP's 9 oz. A1 belongs to Kraft
>>>> and HP is a "product of Holland" but claims to be British (and has a royal
>>>> appointment to support that).
>>>>
>>>> The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the more
>>>> acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone have
>>>> strong opinions?
>>>
>>>
>>> A! is awful stuff. It ruins the flavor of a good steak. I mikght use it to
>>> coer the taste of a rancid one, though. HP is milder and I like it on fish
>>> and chips like they do in England.
>>>
>>>
>> I doubt that many English put it on their fish and chips! Salt and
>> vinegar is all that's needed!
>>
> Salt and lemon (or lime) juice is far better than salt and vinegar. If I
> were served vinegar with fish, I might exclaim, "Blimey! You think I'm a
> Limey?"
>>
>> Graham
>
> --Bryan
>
Lemon would be for the poncy, uptight aristos!
But when no-one is looking, they have F&C with salt and malt vinegar
and eat it with their fingers!!!
Graham

--
With mirth and laughter let old wrinkles come.
And let my liver rather heat with wine,
than my heart cool with mortifying groans.
MofV: I/1

On Tue, 3 Mar 2015 17:29:31 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
> wrote:

>On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 5:44:53 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>> On 02/03/2015 11:35 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> > "James Silverton" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> I have two bottles of "brown" sauce sitting in front of me, both of which
>> >> claim to be the "original". A1 says "established 1862" and HP claims that
>> >> it has "set the standard for quality since 1899". I suppose various
>> >> interpretations of the words are possible. Both sauces show the usual
>> >> creative packaging; A1's bottle is 10 oz and HP's 9 oz. A1 belongs to Kraft
>> >> and HP is a "product of Holland" but claims to be British (and has a royal
>> >> appointment to support that).
>> >>
>> >> The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the more
>> >> acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone have
>> >> strong opinions?
>> >
>> >
>> > A! is awful stuff. It ruins the flavor of a good steak. I mikght use it to
>> > coer the taste of a rancid one, though. HP is milder and I like it on fish
>> > and chips like they do in England.
>> >
>> >
>> I doubt that many English put it on their fish and chips! Salt and
>> vinegar is all that's needed!
>>
>Salt and lemon (or lime) juice is far better than salt and vinegar. If I
>were served vinegar with fish, I might exclaim, "Blimey! You think I'm a
>Limey?"

No one would ever mistake Bwrrryan for anything but a flaming faggot.

On Wednesday, 4 March 2015 02:02:07 UTC, graham wrote:
> On 03/03/2015 6:29 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> > On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 5:44:53 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
> >> On 02/03/2015 11:35 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> >>> "James Silverton" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> I have two bottles of "brown" sauce sitting in front of me, both of which
> >>>> claim to be the "original". A1 says "established 1862" and HP claims that
> >>>> it has "set the standard for quality since 1899". I suppose various
> >>>> interpretations of the words are possible. Both sauces show the usual
> >>>> creative packaging; A1's bottle is 10 oz and HP's 9 oz. A1 belongs to Kraft
> >>>> and HP is a "product of Holland" but claims to be British (and has a royal
> >>>> appointment to support that).
> >>>>
> >>>> The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the more
> >>>> acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone have
> >>>> strong opinions?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A! is awful stuff. It ruins the flavor of a good steak. I mikght use it to
> >>> coer the taste of a rancid one, though. HP is milder and I like it on fish
> >>> and chips like they do in England.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I doubt that many English put it on their fish and chips! Salt and
> >> vinegar is all that's needed!
> >>
> > Salt and lemon (or lime) juice is far better than salt and vinegar. If I
> > were served vinegar with fish, I might exclaim, "Blimey! You think I'm a
> > Limey?"
> >>
> >> Graham
> >
> > --Bryan
> >
> Lemon would be for the poncy, uptight aristos!
> But when no-one is looking, they have F&C with salt and malt vinegar
> and eat it with their fingers!!!
> Graham
>
When no one is looking I have my fish and chips with curry sauce.

Cherry

On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 8:20:45 PM UTC-6, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Mar 2015 17:29:31 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
> > wrote:
>
> >On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 5:44:53 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
> >> On 02/03/2015 11:35 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> >> > "James Silverton" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> >> I have two bottles of "brown" sauce sitting in front of me, both of which
> >> >> claim to be the "original". A1 says "established 1862" and HP claims that
> >> >> it has "set the standard for quality since 1899". I suppose various
> >> >> interpretations of the words are possible. Both sauces show the usual
> >> >> creative packaging; A1's bottle is 10 oz and HP's 9 oz. A1 belongs to Kraft
> >> >> and HP is a "product of Holland" but claims to be British (and has a royal
> >> >> appointment to support that).
> >> >>
> >> >> The ingredient lists of both sauces are very similar but I prefer the more
> >> >> acidic A1, even if I like either on steak. I wonder does anyone have
> >> >> strong opinions?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > A! is awful stuff. It ruins the flavor of a good steak. I mikght use it to
> >> > coer the taste of a rancid one, though. HP is milder and I like it on fish
> >> > and chips like they do in England.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> I doubt that many English put it on their fish and chips! Salt and
> >> vinegar is all that's needed!
> >>
> >Salt and lemon (or lime) juice is far better than salt and vinegar. If I
> >were served vinegar with fish, I might exclaim, "Blimey! You think I'm a
> >Limey?"
>
> No one would ever mistake Bwrrryan for anything but a flaming faggot.

You wish. You pine for your brother's penis.

--Bryan

On 3/2/2015 3:36 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
> I agree that the flavor of good beef needs no adornment. I cringe when
> people buy good steak, then marinate it. Cheap meat, yeah I can see
> that. But with a good ribeye or porterhouse, it's just plain wrong.
>
I once bought some *prime* filets to grill and was asked if I planned to
marinate them. What?! Why on earth would anyone marinate a great
tender piece of beef? Similarly, why would anyone dump steak sauce on it?

> I know a guy who insists that every grilled steak should be finished
> with a pat of butter melting on top of it. I could go with that, since
> the butter will neither diminish nor conflict with the flavor of the
> meat itself. But that's as inventive as I want to go with good beef.

I've had good steak with a pat of butter added at the end. I can't say
the results were spectacular. It was just steak with a pat of butter.
Save the butter for my baked potato.

Jill

On 2015-03-05, jmcquown > wrote:

> tender piece of beef? Similarly, why would anyone dump steak sauce on it?

Way back, when I was first married and my income was increasing, I
tried filet mignon for 4 wks. They were all purchased from different
mkts. Surprisingly --for me, at least-- the most tender filet of the
four was absolutely terrible. Zero flavor. Could cut it with yer
fork, but had as much flavor as the foam tray it came packaged in.
Unfortunately, I had no stk sauce.

nb

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2015-03-05, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> tender piece of beef? Similarly, why would anyone dump steak sauce on
>> it?
>
> Way back, when I was first married and my income was increasing, I
> tried filet mignon for 4 wks. They were all purchased from different
> mkts. Surprisingly --for me, at least-- the most tender filet of the
> four was absolutely terrible. Zero flavor. Could cut it with yer
> fork, but had as much flavor as the foam tray it came packaged in.
> Unfortunately, I had no stk sauce.
>
> nb

That is not surprising at all if you understand beef.

On 2015-03-05, Reggie > wrote:

> That is not surprising at all if you understand beef.

It's not surprising the beef industry will do all it can to provide
the consumer with the most expensive, flavorless, meat it possibly
can. They feed steers ground up newspaper, ferchrysakes! I once paid
$24 for a T-bone of age-dried beef. The added salt and pepper were
the only flavors I experienced.

nb

On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 6:46:38 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> On 2015-03-05, jmcquown > wrote:
>
> > tender piece of beef? Similarly, why would anyone dump steak sauce on it?
>
> Way back, when I was first married and my income was increasing, I
> tried filet mignon for 4 wks. They were all purchased from different
> mkts. Surprisingly --for me, at least-- the most tender filet of the
> four was absolutely terrible. Zero flavor. Could cut it with yer
> fork, but had as much flavor as the foam tray it came packaged in.
> Unfortunately, I had no stk sauce.

I had dinner at a steakhouse on a company's tab. The beef option was a filet mignon. What a waste of a free steak! Had they served me a porterhouse, then I would be buying product from them this very day.

I once served a steak that was in the back of my refrigerator for way too long. It was absolutely putrid. OTOH, it fried up beautifully, and was wonderfully tender. My dad called it an "aged" steak. I thought the taste was "complex" and still have dreams about eating that rotten meat. Nice dreams, that is.

>
> nb

On 3/5/2015 12:16 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2015-03-05, Reggie > wrote:
>
>> That is not surprising at all if you understand beef.
>
> It's not surprising the beef industry will do all it can to provide
> the consumer with the most expensive, flavorless, meat it possibly
> can. They feed steers ground up newspaper, ferchrysakes! I once paid
> $24 for a T-bone of age-dried beef. The added salt and pepper were
> the only flavors I experienced.
>
> nb
>
Rant all you like but there is still some good tasting beef out there.
I was merely commenting about people who adulterate it with steak sauce
or marinade. Those people probably wouldn't know a good cut of steak if
someone slapped them on the face with it.

Jill

On 2015-03-05, jmcquown > wrote:
>>
> Rant all you like but there is still some good tasting beef out there.

I know there is. I've tasted some. The last resto I worked at served
ribeyes that were to die for. They were also dry-aged, then
vac-packed, and we would cut the stks off the whole roast. Best
corn-fed beef I've ever tasted.

nb

On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 1:36:24 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 6:46:38 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> > On 2015-03-05, jmcquown > wrote:
> >
> > > tender piece of beef? Similarly, why would anyone dump steak sauce on it?
> >
> > Way back, when I was first married and my income was increasing, I
> > tried filet mignon for 4 wks. They were all purchased from different
> > mkts. Surprisingly --for me, at least-- the most tender filet of the
> > four was absolutely terrible. Zero flavor. Could cut it with yer
> > fork, but had as much flavor as the foam tray it came packaged in.
> > Unfortunately, I had no stk sauce.
>
> I had dinner at a steakhouse on a company's tab. The beef option was a filet mignon. What a waste of a free steak! Had they served me a porterhouse, then I would be buying product from them this very day.
>
> I once served a steak that was in the back of my refrigerator for way too long. It was absolutely putrid. OTOH, it fried up beautifully, and was wonderfully tender. My dad called it an "aged" steak. I thought the taste was "complex" and still have dreams about eating that rotten meat. Nice dreams, that is.
>
An Andy steak.
> >
> > nb

--Bryan