These are the two things I'm having trouble getting hold of (living in the
west of Ireland). The recipe I'm using specifies 3 pints of grape juice
concentrate - how concentrated is your average concentrate? I can buy grape
juice, and was wondering whether an increased volume of this would do as a
substitute? Also - any ideas where I could get hold of some ammonium
phosphate, or failing that, what I could use as a substitute? I have a drum
of plain 'yeast nutient' but don't know if that would do the job.

The recipe is C.J.J.Berry's (First Steps in Winemaking) one for 'Golden
Dynamite' if you're interested!


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"Darkginger" > wrote in message:

> These are the two things I'm having trouble getting hold of (living in the
> west of Ireland). The recipe I'm using specifies 3 pints of grape juice
> concentrate - how concentrated is your average concentrate? I can buy
grape
> juice, and was wondering whether an increased volume of this would do as a
> substitute? Also - any ideas where I could get hold of some ammonium
> phosphate, or failing that, what I could use as a substitute? I have a
drum
> of plain 'yeast nutient' but don't know if that would do the job.
>
> The recipe is C.J.J.Berry's (First Steps in Winemaking) one for 'Golden
> Dynamite' if you're interested!

Standard fruit juice "concentrates" in the UK and US are reconstituted with
3 parts water to 1 part concentrate. Thus, you can use 4 pints of juice in
place of 1 pint of concentrate (in your recipe you would use 12 pints of
juice), and reduce the water accordingly (in your recipe, you would use 1/2
gallon water, rather than 2 gallons).

However, you should be able to find frozen grape juice concentrate in the
local supermarket, and it will probably be cheaper than fresh juice. In
either case, ensure that no preservatives other than metabisulphite have
been added (especially sorbate).

Additionally, your local homebrew shop should have grape concentrates made
specifically for winemaking, and di-ammonium phosphate (DAP). Depending on
the brand, "yeast nutrient" may be DAP, or it may be DAP and additional
vitamins and minerals. Either way, it should work fine in the recipe.

"Darkginger" > wrote in message
...
> Also - any ideas where I could get hold of some ammonium
> phosphate, or failing that, what I could use as a substitute? I have a
drum
> of plain 'yeast nutient' but don't know if that would do the job.

Yeast nutrient is generally a mixture of diammonium phosphate (DAP) and
yeast hulls, so what you have should work fine.

Tom S

Tom S > wrote in message
m...
>
> "Darkginger" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Also - any ideas where I could get hold of some ammonium
> > phosphate, or failing that, what I could use as a substitute? I have a
> drum
> > of plain 'yeast nutient' but don't know if that would do the job.
>
> Yeast nutrient is generally a mixture of diammonium phosphate (DAP) and
> yeast hulls, so what you have should work fine.

Many thanks to you and others who replied - my problem is that I don't have
a local homebrew shop (unless you consider 150 miles away 'local'), and
supermarkets here don't stock frozen grape juice concentrate. All my
specialist ingredients have to be ordered online, from a limited range. If
anyone knows of an online homebrew shop which delivers to the Republic of
Ireland - please tell me about it!

Many thanks again - 'Golden Dynamite' will be started next weekend!

Jo


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"Darkginger" > wrote:

> Many thanks to you and others who replied - my problem is that I don't
have
> a local homebrew shop (unless you consider 150 miles away 'local'), and
> supermarkets here don't stock frozen grape juice concentrate. All my
> specialist ingredients have to be ordered online, from a limited range. If
> anyone knows of an online homebrew shop which delivers to the Republic of
> Ireland - please tell me about it!
>
> Many thanks again - 'Golden Dynamite' will be started next weekend!
>
> Jo

Faith and begorrah, Jo! Are there no telephone directories in county Clare?
You are within miles of the foinest homebrew shops in the kingdom.

The Limerick Homebrew Centre, 11 Thomas St., Limerick.
Phone number: 061 416084 Website: http://www.thehomebrewcentre.com/

theSmuggler.com, Inver House, Ringaskiddy, Cork Harbour, Ireland
Email: www.grogsmugglers.com/helpdesk Website:
http://www.beersmugglers.com/beer/
Fax Ireland +353-21-4370990 UK +44-709-2291881 USA +1-309-2139437

GLENGARRIFF HOMEBREW CENTRE, LOUGH AVAUL WORM FARM, GLENGARRIFF, Co. CORK
Tel: 027-63444, E-mail: , Website:
http://gofree.indigo.ie/~homebrew/homebrew.htm

If you require the shoppe be located in merrie olde, here are a few that
will ship orders abroad:

The Home Brew Shop, 10 Alexandra Road,North
Camp,Farnborough,Hampshire,
GU14 6DA Tel: +(44) 0 1252 540386 Fax: +(44) 0 1252 370079 website:
http://www.the-home-brew-shop.co.uk/

Art of Brewing, D8 Barwell Business Park, Leatherhead Road,
Chessington, Surrey KT9 2NY Telephone: 020 8397 2111
http://www.art-of-brewing.co.uk/

HomeBrewShop, 153 Lawsons Road, Thornton-Cleveleys, Lancashire, FY5
4PL, 01253 827793, http://www.homebrewshop.co.uk

All of these shoppes have the diammonium phosphate you require --- or you
can use the "yeast nutrient" that you already have. You may use fresh grape
juice instead of concentrate, reducing the water in the recipe as indicated
in my earlier post.

Negodki > wrote

> Faith and begorrah, Jo! Are there no telephone directories in county
Clare?

Erm, probably, but I'm in Co. Mayo!

> You are within miles of the foinest homebrew shops in the kingdom.

About 150 miles, to be precise <g>
>
> The Limerick Homebrew Centre, 11 Thomas St., Limerick.
> Phone number: 061 416084 Website:
http://www.thehomebrewcentre.com/
>
> theSmuggler.com, Inver House, Ringaskiddy, Cork Harbour, Ireland
> Email: www.grogsmugglers.com/helpdesk Website:
> http://www.beersmugglers.com/beer/
> Fax Ireland +353-21-4370990 UK +44-709-2291881 USA +1-309-2139437

Winesmugglers is the place I order from at the moment - unlike the Limerick
or Glengariff shops, they accept debit (rather than credit) cards, which
makes me and my bank manager happy!


> GLENGARRIFF HOMEBREW CENTRE, LOUGH AVAUL WORM FARM, GLENGARRIFF, Co. CORK
> Tel: 027-63444, E-mail: , Website:
> http://gofree.indigo.ie/~homebrew/homebrew.htm

Thanks very much for all your effort (and funnily enough, that's the second
worm farm I've heard about recently!)

>
> If you require the shoppe be located in merrie olde, here are a few that
> will ship orders abroad:
>
> The Home Brew Shop, 10 Alexandra Road,North
> Camp,Farnborough,Hampshire,
> GU14 6DA Tel: +(44) 0 1252 540386 Fax: +(44) 0 1252 370079 website:
> http://www.the-home-brew-shop.co.uk/
>
> Art of Brewing, D8 Barwell Business Park, Leatherhead Road,
> Chessington, Surrey KT9 2NY Telephone: 020 8397 2111
> http://www.art-of-brewing.co.uk/
>
> HomeBrewShop, 153 Lawsons Road, Thornton-Cleveleys, Lancashire, FY5
> 4PL, 01253 827793, http://www.homebrewshop.co.uk
>
> All of these shoppes have the diammonium phosphate you require --- or you
> can use the "yeast nutrient" that you already have. You may use fresh
grape
> juice instead of concentrate, reducing the water in the recipe as
indicated
> in my earlier post.

Thanks again, especially for the UK links - we still have a UK bank account
(that's where I'm originally from), which usually has some money in it, so
they should come in useful - Winesmugglers has been a godsend, but I'm
finding their stock a bit limited recently, since I've started getting more
experimental!

Let me know if you're ever in Mayo, and you're welcome to taste the results!

Jo



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"Darkginger" > wrote in message >...
> Tom S > wrote in message
> m...
> >
> > "Darkginger" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Also - any ideas where I could get hold of some ammonium
> > > phosphate, or failing that, what I could use as a substitute? I have a
> drum
> > > of plain 'yeast nutient' but don't know if that would do the job.
> >
> > Yeast nutrient is generally a mixture of diammonium phosphate (DAP) and
> > yeast hulls, so what you have should work fine.
>
> Many thanks to you and others who replied - my problem is that I don't have
> a local homebrew shop (unless you consider 150 miles away 'local'), and
> supermarkets here don't stock frozen grape juice concentrate. All my
> specialist ingredients have to be ordered online, from a limited range. If
> anyone knows of an online homebrew shop which delivers to the Republic of
> Ireland - please tell me about it!
>
> Many thanks again - 'Golden Dynamite' will be started next weekend!
>
> Jo
>

Yes, Ireland doesn't have too many homebrew/winemaking shops since
Easons stopped doing it in the 90s. Outside of a few shops scattered
around, there's not much to find. The online shops are good, but for
novices like me it's nice to be able to browse, see and pick up the
stuff before buying,

all the best!