How did we deal in the US during the Prohibition period with the
sacramental use of wine? Seems like this would have been a
significant First Amendment (freedom of religion, for the non-US folk)
issue.


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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:26:47 GMT, Leo Bueno
> wrote:

>
>How did we deal in the US during the Prohibition period with the
>sacramental use of wine? Seems like this would have been a
>significant First Amendment (freedom of religion, for the non-US folk)
>issue.

Leaving out beer consumption, overall alcohol consumption rose from
1.85 gallons per person per year before the Prohibition to 1.95
during.

So called sacramental wine was still produced during the Prohibition,
mainly by Beringer Bros, but also by Concannon Vineyards, who until
1980 maintained the practice of sending the Pope a barrel of
californian Muscat of Frontignan every year. In 1925 the Federal
Council of the Churches of Christ determines that sacramental wine
consumption rose from 2 million gallons in 1922 to more or less 3
million in 1924, with no plausible reason given for this increase. It
appears that Prohibition somehow encouraged a rise in religious
fervour... ;-)

Mike

Source: MAurice Bensoussan, Le Viti Americane, Slow Food Editions

Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France
email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail

Also one was allowed to make a certain amount of wine at home for one's
own use, although I am not certain about the legal details. Also alcohol
was allowed by prescription for medical purposes. Large amounts of
grapes were shipped from California across the country for those who
made wine at home. These were often table grapes that likely made very
poor wine. Also various flavor extracts were sold that people added to
illegal alcohol to make poor copies of various spirits and liqueurs. I
do not have a single reference for all of this. These are just things I
recall from reading many wine boks over the years.

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"Cwdjrx _" > wrote in message
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> Also one was allowed to make a certain amount of wine at home for one's
> own use, although I am not certain about the legal details. Also alcohol
> was allowed by prescription for medical purposes. Large amounts of
> grapes were shipped from California across the country for those who
> made wine at home. These were often table grapes that likely made very
> poor wine. Also various flavor extracts were sold that people added to
> illegal alcohol to make poor copies of various spirits and liqueurs. I
> do not have a single reference for all of this. These are just things I
> recall from reading many wine boks over the years.
>
> My mailbox is always full to avoid spam. To contact me, erase
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And "Tonics" were very popular medicines, particularly for the older set who
might have remembered wine from pre-prohibition days. Somewhat after
prohibition was repealed, a pharmacist friend gave me a swig of "iron
tonic". It was good--20% alcohol. Never see "tonics" advertised anymore.
Guess the availability of real wine killed their market.

SJF

Cwdjrx _ wrote:
> Also one was allowed to make a certain amount of wine at home for one's
> own use, although I am not certain about the legal details. Also alcohol
> was allowed by prescription for medical purposes. Large amounts of
> grapes were shipped from California across the country for those who
> made wine at home. These were often table grapes that likely made very
> poor wine. Also various flavor extracts were sold that people added to
> illegal alcohol to make poor copies of various spirits and liqueurs. I
> do not have a single reference for all of this. These are just things I
> recall from reading many wine boks over the years.

Bricks made of grape concentrate were shipped with yeast and sugar with
a warning not to let it get near water or it might result in fermentation.

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:47:55 GMT, Bill >
wrote:

>Cwdjrx _ wrote:
>> Also one was allowed to make a certain amount of wine at home for one's
>> own use, although I am not certain about the legal details. Also alcohol
>> was allowed by prescription for medical purposes. Large amounts of
>> grapes were shipped from California across the country for those who
>> made wine at home. These were often table grapes that likely made very
>> poor wine. Also various flavor extracts were sold that people added to
>> illegal alcohol to make poor copies of various spirits and liqueurs. I
>> do not have a single reference for all of this. These are just things I
>> recall from reading many wine boks over the years.
>
>Bricks made of grape concentrate were shipped with yeast and sugar with
>a warning not to let it get near water or it might result in fermentation.

And guess what, people somehow did exactly what they were "not"
supposed to do... ;-).

I remember when living in Montreal, all the italians would buy
california grapes in the fall, to make "wine". This practice dates
back to Prohibition, when the selling of grapes was not prohibited...

Mike

Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France
email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:47:55 GMT, Bill >
wrote:

>Cwdjrx _ wrote:
>> Also one was allowed to make a certain amount of wine at home for one's
>> own use, although I am not certain about the legal details. Also alcohol
>> was allowed by prescription for medical purposes. Large amounts of
>> grapes were shipped from California across the country for those who
>> made wine at home. These were often table grapes that likely made very
>> poor wine. Also various flavor extracts were sold that people added to
>> illegal alcohol to make poor copies of various spirits and liqueurs. I
>> do not have a single reference for all of this. These are just things I
>> recall from reading many wine boks over the years.
>
>Bricks made of grape concentrate were shipped with yeast and sugar with
>a warning not to let it get near water or it might result in fermentation.

And guess what, people somehow did exactly what they were "not"
supposed to do... ;-).

I remember when living in Montreal, all the italians would buy
california grapes in the fall, to make "wine". This practice dates
back to Prohibition, when the selling of grapes was not prohibited...

Mike

Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France
email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail

Mike Tommasi wrote:

> And guess what, people somehow did exactly what they were "not"
> supposed to do... ;-).
> I remember when living in Montreal, all the italians would buy
> california grapes in the fall, to make "wine". This practice dates
> back to Prohibition, when the selling of grapes was not prohibited...

And they made their 200 gallons of legal wine and then made marc from
the left over pressings. Hence the Mafia came into prominence with
this ready supply of wine and home made brandy.

"Cwdjrx _" in ...
> . . . Also alcohol was allowed by prescription for medical
> purposes.

Thanks Mike and, er, Cwdjrx for filling in this good historical background.

Here is something that I have not yet seen in any book, but got by
word-of-mouth from people whose families were long in the San Francisco
area. (There's something to be said for oral history. For example, as an
adolescent I was only one intermediary person removed from memories of
Spanish Colonial times in California, before the crowds came. Much more
vivid than even the Internet. :-)

Similar memories recalled the thriving business done during the alcohol
prohibition by "pharmacies" (UK "chemists;" "apothecaries" to others)
selling wine. For medicinal use, naturally, but still in a range of styles,
varietals, etc. Medicinal needs for wine evidently hit a peak then also.
Several of these pharmacies converted to wine shops after Repeal. They were
among the best situated businesses to do so, with experience, customer base,
and sources.

There was also an old custom in some California wineries -- I still see it
mentioned occasionally -- of an "ecclesiatical" or "clergy" discount. This
was not necessarily related to ritual, but a broader role, "a little wine
for thy stomach's sake," etc. Anyway a certain number of ecclesiastics were
truly thankful.

-- Max

"Cwdjrx _" in ...
> . . . Also alcohol was allowed by prescription for medical
> purposes.

Thanks Mike and, er, Cwdjrx for filling in this good historical background.

Here is something that I have not yet seen in any book, but got by
word-of-mouth from people whose families were long in the San Francisco
area. (There's something to be said for oral history. For example, as an
adolescent I was only one intermediary person removed from memories of
Spanish Colonial times in California, before the crowds came. Much more
vivid than even the Internet. :-)

Similar memories recalled the thriving business done during the alcohol
prohibition by "pharmacies" (UK "chemists;" "apothecaries" to others)
selling wine. For medicinal use, naturally, but still in a range of styles,
varietals, etc. Medicinal needs for wine evidently hit a peak then also.
Several of these pharmacies converted to wine shops after Repeal. They were
among the best situated businesses to do so, with experience, customer base,
and sources.

There was also an old custom in some California wineries -- I still see it
mentioned occasionally -- of an "ecclesiatical" or "clergy" discount. This
was not necessarily related to ritual, but a broader role, "a little wine
for thy stomach's sake," etc. Anyway a certain number of ecclesiastics were
truly thankful.

-- Max

"Cwdjrx _" in ...
> . . . Also alcohol was allowed by prescription for medical
> purposes.

Thanks Mike and, er, Cwdjrx for filling in this good historical background.

Here is something that I have not yet seen in any book, but got by
word-of-mouth from people whose families were long in the San Francisco
area. (There's something to be said for oral history. For example, as an
adolescent I was only one intermediary person removed from memories of
Spanish Colonial times in California, before the crowds came. Much more
vivid than even the Internet. :-)

Similar memories recalled the thriving business done during the alcohol
prohibition by "pharmacies" (UK "chemists;" "apothecaries" to others)
selling wine. For medicinal use, naturally, but still in a range of styles,
varietals, etc. Medicinal needs for wine evidently hit a peak then also.
Several of these pharmacies converted to wine shops after Repeal. They were
among the best situated businesses to do so, with experience, customer base,
and sources.

There was also an old custom in some California wineries -- I still see it
mentioned occasionally -- of an "ecclesiatical" or "clergy" discount. This
was not necessarily related to ritual, but a broader role, "a little wine
for thy stomach's sake," etc. Anyway a certain number of ecclesiastics were
truly thankful.

-- Max