The year 1976 was very hot and dry in Bordeaux. However the conditions
were not right to produce a 1982 style wine, and most wines were easy
drinking and matured fairly early. Most should have been consumed many
years ago.

The 76 Ducru I opened had been stored properly since release. It was
still fairly dark with just a bit of brick around the rim. It had a
quite strong cassis character. The tannins are resolved. The acid tends
to the low side. It is still holding well in general and is very easy to
drink. It lacks the complexity of the best vintages.

M. Broadbent had only older tasting notes to mention in his most recent
book. He stated: " Ch Ducru-Beaucaillou frankly very contradictory
notes. Certainly not a shrinking violet; mouthfilling, surprisingly
tannic. . Feb 1988. Probably *** but second opinion needed." It sounds
as if there may have been more than the usual bottle variation with this
wine.

(Cwdjrx _) wrote in message >...
> The year 1976 was very hot and dry in Bordeaux. However the conditions
> were not right to produce a 1982 style wine, and most wines were easy
> drinking and matured fairly early. Most should have been consumed many
> years ago.
>
> The 76 Ducru I opened had been stored properly since release. It was
> still fairly dark with just a bit of brick around the rim. It had a
> quite strong cassis character. The tannins are resolved. The acid tends
> to the low side. It is still holding well in general and is very easy to
> drink. It lacks the complexity of the best vintages.
>
> M. Broadbent had only older tasting notes to mention in his most recent
> book. He stated: " Ch Ducru-Beaucaillou frankly very contradictory
> notes. Certainly not a shrinking violet; mouthfilling, surprisingly
> tannic. . Feb 1988. Probably *** but second opinion needed." It sounds
> as if there may have been more than the usual bottle variation with this
> wine.


Interesting note, thanks. I'm attending a vertical of Ducru in March.
I've only ever had the 1995 Ducru last year which is nowhere near
ready.
We're tasting the 67, 78, 81, 82, 83, 90, 95 Lalande Borie and 97.
I've had a horizontal of the 78's before, but I'm not sure what to
expect for the '67. The 82 should be fabulous and am curious where the
90 is in its evolution.

>I've had a horizontal of the 78's before, but I'm not sure what to
>expect for the '67.

It was very nice in the 80s when young, but will have kicked the proverbial
bucket by now. No worries, though - I often add wines like that to vertical
events I arrange, as you can get at least an idea what it used to be, and it
adds a bit of historical perspective.

And you never know - it might be better than I think it will be.

Be sure to post notes.

(Bill Spohn) wrote in message >...
> >I've had a horizontal of the 78's before, but I'm not sure what to
> >expect for the '67.
>
> It was very nice in the 80s when young, but will have kicked the proverbial
> bucket by now. No worries, though - I often add wines like that to vertical
> events I arrange, as you can get at least an idea what it used to be, and it
> adds a bit of historical perspective.
>
> And you never know - it might be better than I think it will be.
>
> Be sure to post notes.

I definitely will. At said 78 Bordeaux horizontal, there was a mystery
wine. Turned out to be a 78 Napa Cab. (Can't recall which). Blew the
Bordeaux out of the water. Nobody thought it was from 78, tasted
against the tired 78's.
Not having high expectations, I think I will enjoy the 78 Ducru I
think.

>I think I will enjoy the 78 Ducru I
>think.

I have only one left. Look forward to your notes.

[posted and mailed]


My wife and I will be in Vancouver Friday June 4th for one night. We will
be staying at the Sheraton Wall Centre and would appreciate any suggestions
as to restaurants- We won't be hungry as we are coming off of a cruise but
would like something nice for fancy maybe up to 140CAD but a bistro would
be nice as long as the food is good and the wine list is respectable (well,
as long as the wine list is respectable . . .)

I felt that you should know this one pretty well as it is your home turf.

>We won't be hungry as we are coming off of a cruise but
>would like something nice for fancy maybe up to 140CAD but a bistro would
>be nice as long as the food is good and the wine list is respectable

Piccolo Mondo at 850 Thurlow or Crocodile at 909 Burrard (Alsatian specialty,
ask for Robert the sommelier).

Both are within walking distance of your hotel.

I had the 67 Ducru many years ago. Like many wines of that somewhat
unripe vintage, it was a decent food wine early on. I have only a very
few bottles of 67 Bordeaux, because I thought all I had should have been
drunk many years ago. Some may still be holding on, but it would be
difficult to find one that has improved over the last 10 years.

The 61 Ducru still is outstanding and holding well. The 62 is not too
far behind the 61, but it probably needs drinking very soon. The 70 is
excellent.

(Bill Spohn) wrote in
:

>>We won't be hungry as we are coming off of a cruise but
>>would like something nice for fancy maybe up to 140CAD but a bistro
>>would be nice as long as the food is good and the wine list is
>>respectable
>
> Piccolo Mondo at 850 Thurlow or Crocodile at 909 Burrard (Alsatian
> specialty, ask for Robert the sommelier).
Is it anything like the restaurant of the similar name in Strasbourg?

Thanks for the tips

>
> Both are within walking distance of your hotel.
>

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:33:19 GMT, jcoulter
> wrote:

>[posted and mailed]
>
>
>My wife and I will be in Vancouver Friday June 4th for one night. We will
>be staying at the Sheraton Wall Centre and would appreciate any suggestions
>as to restaurants- We won't be hungry as we are coming off of a cruise but
>would like something nice for fancy maybe up to 140CAD but a bistro would
>be nice as long as the food is good and the wine list is respectable (well,
>as long as the wine list is respectable . . .)
>
>I felt that you should know this one pretty well as it is your home turf.

Will you be coming on to Seattle? A lot of cruise passengers that dock
in Vancouver travel to Seattle for flights back home. If so, let me
know.

Vino
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Vino > wrote in
:

> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:33:19 GMT, jcoulter
> > wrote:
>
>>[posted and mailed]
>>
>>
>>My wife and I will be in Vancouver Friday June 4th for one night. We
>>will be staying at the Sheraton Wall Centre and would appreciate any
>>suggestions as to restaurants- We won't be hungry as we are coming off
>>of a cruise but would like something nice for fancy maybe up to 140CAD
>>but a bistro would be nice as long as the food is good and the wine
>>list is respectable (well, as long as the wine list is respectable . .
>>.)
>>
>>I felt that you should know this one pretty well as it is your home
>>turf.
>
> Will you be coming on to Seattle? A lot of cruise passengers that dock
> in Vancouver travel to Seattle for flights back home. If so, let me
> know.
>
> Vino
> To reply, add "x" between
> letters and numbers of
> e-mail address.
>

Not this time, we are catching a flight from YVR

Another suggestion a short cab ride away from the Wall Centre Hotel is
Cioppino's Enoteca where you can enjoy bistro style Italian food along
with a nice selection of wines.
For a complete list, go to: http://www.cioppinosyaletown.com/wine.html
and click on the "Cioppino's Complete Wine List" link.
Not bad but lacking in local content.

mt

jcoulter wrote:
> [posted and mailed]
>
>
> My wife and I will be in Vancouver Friday June 4th for one night. We will
> be staying at the Sheraton Wall Centre and would appreciate any suggestions
> as to restaurants- We won't be hungry as we are coming off of a cruise but
> would like something nice for fancy maybe up to 140CAD but a bistro would
> be nice as long as the food is good and the wine list is respectable (well,
> as long as the wine list is respectable . . .)
>
> I felt that you should know this one pretty well as it is your home turf.

Try "Season's in the Park" in the Queen Elizabeth Park (33rd and Cambie)
Absolutely incredible view over Vancouver, not to mention the setting in
the park. Go early so you can walk around through the gardens.

http://www.sequoiarestaurants.com/seasons_main.html

mtani wrote:

> Another suggestion a short cab ride away from the Wall Centre Hotel is
> Cioppino's Enoteca where you can enjoy bistro style Italian food along
> with a nice selection of wines.
> For a complete list, go to: http://www.cioppinosyaletown.com/wine.html
> and click on the "Cioppino's Complete Wine List" link.
> Not bad but lacking in local content.
>
> mt
>
> jcoulter wrote:
> > [posted and mailed]
> >
> >
> > My wife and I will be in Vancouver Friday June 4th for one night. We will
> > be staying at the Sheraton Wall Centre and would appreciate any suggestions
> > as to restaurants- We won't be hungry as we are coming off of a cruise but
> > would like something nice for fancy maybe up to 140CAD but a bistro would
> > be nice as long as the food is good and the wine list is respectable (well,
> > as long as the wine list is respectable . . .)
> >
> > I felt that you should know this one pretty well as it is your home turf.

Cwdjrx _ > wrote:

> I had the 67 Ducru many years ago. Like many wines of that somewhat
> unripe vintage, it was a decent food wine early on. I have only a very
> few bottles of 67 Bordeaux, because I thought all I had should have been
> drunk many years ago. Some may still be holding on, but it would be
> difficult to find one that has improved over the last 10 years.

Leoville Las Cases 1967 is a nice, if faded, old lady. Of course it has
not improved for some time, and is on a graceful decline, but a pleasant
drink nonetheless.

Joel