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TN Scharzhoferger Feine Auslese Nikolauswein 1970, Koch
The wine is Scharzhoferger Feine Auslese Nikolauswein 1970, Koch,
(geerntet 5./6. Dezember). The wine was properly stored since shortly after release, the fill was very high, and the cork was sound. The color is bright lemon. There is no oxidation and only a little, clean petrol character. As good Scharzhofberger usually is, it is a sort of ultra clean essence of Riesling. It has intense fruit and some floral character. There is some mixed citrus fruit along with some light stone fruit. The balance is near perfect, although the wine is quite sweet. Although the best Scharzhofberger for a given ripeness grade often comes from Egon Muller, others may outstanding wine from time to time. This wine was labeled under the old German wine laws, which greatly changed for the 1971 vintage and after. Today, one could not mention feine(fine) on the label. Both Nikolauswein and the date gathered could not be mentioned. St. Nikolaus day comes in early December in Germany, and the children get their gifts then. The bottle has a picture of a German style St. Nikolaus on the label. Many of the grapes gathered early in the season in 1970 did not make exceptional wines. However, for a few who did not pick until at least December, some exceptional auslesen and eiswein was made. |
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TN Scharzhoferger Feine Auslese Nikolauswein 1970, Koch
On Jul 2, 1:37 am, cwdjrxyz > wrote:
> The wine is Scharzhoferger Feine Auslese Nikolauswein 1970, Koch, > (geerntet 5./6. Dezember). The wine was properly stored since shortly > after release, the fill was very high, and the cork was sound. > > The color is bright lemon. There is no oxidation and only a little, > clean petrol character. As good Scharzhofberger usually is, it is a > sort of ultra clean essence of Riesling. It has intense fruit and some > floral character. There is some mixed citrus fruit along with some > light stone fruit. The balance is near perfect, although the wine is > quite sweet. > > Although the best Scharzhofberger for a given ripeness grade often > comes from Egon Muller, others may outstanding wine from time to time. > This wine was labeled under the old German wine laws, which greatly > changed for the 1971 vintage and after. Today, one could not mention > feine(fine) on the label. Both Nikolauswein and the date gathered > could not be mentioned. St. Nikolaus day comes in early December in > Germany, and the children get their gifts then. The bottle has a > picture of a German style St. Nikolaus on the label. Many of the > grapes gathered early in the season in 1970 did not make exceptional > wines. However, for a few who did not pick until at least December, > some exceptional auslesen and eiswein was made. THere is a typo in the title and first mention of the wine that was copied and pasted in. The wine is, of course, Scharzhofberger. |
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TN Scharzhoferger Feine Auslese Nikolauswein 1970, Koch
On 2 Jul, 07:37, cwdjrxyz > wrote:
> The wine is Scharzhoferger Feine Auslese Nikolauswein 1970, Koch, > (geerntet 5./6. Dezember). The wine was properly stored since shortly > after release, the fill was very high, and the cork was sound. > > The color is bright lemon. There is no oxidation and only a little, > clean petrol character. As good Scharzhofberger usually is, it is a > sort of ultra clean essence of Riesling. It has intense fruit and some > floral character. There is some mixed citrus fruit along with some > light stone fruit. The balance is near perfect, although the wine is > quite sweet. > > Although the best Scharzhofberger for a given ripeness grade often > comes from Egon Muller, others may outstanding wine from time to time. > This wine was labeled under the old German wine laws, which greatly > changed for the 1971 vintage and after. Today, one could not mention > feine(fine) on the label. Both Nikolauswein and the date gathered > could not be mentioned. St. Nikolaus day comes in early December in > Germany, and the children get their gifts then. The bottle has a > picture of a German style St. Nikolaus on the label. Many of the > grapes gathered early in the season in 1970 did not make exceptional > wines. However, for a few who did not pick until at least December, > some exceptional auslesen and eiswein was made. The big surprise for me is that a Nikolauswein was an Auslese. I thought, obviously wrongly, that they would be Eiswen or in extreme situations a TBA...One lives and learns... Cheers |
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TN Scharzhoferger Feine Auslese Nikolauswein 1970, Koch
On Jul 3, 9:06 am, TB > wrote:
> On 2 Jul, 07:37, cwdjrxyz > wrote: > > > > > The wine is Scharzhoferger Feine Auslese Nikolauswein 1970, Koch, > > (geerntet 5./6. Dezember). The wine was properly stored since shortly > > after release, the fill was very high, and the cork was sound. > > > The color is bright lemon. There is no oxidation and only a little, > > clean petrol character. As good Scharzhofberger usually is, it is a > > sort of ultra clean essence of Riesling. It has intense fruit and some > > floral character. There is some mixed citrus fruit along with some > > light stone fruit. The balance is near perfect, although the wine is > > quite sweet. > > > Although the best Scharzhofberger for a given ripeness grade often > > comes from Egon Muller, others may outstanding wine from time to time. > > This wine was labeled under the old German wine laws, which greatly > > changed for the 1971 vintage and after. Today, one could not mention > > feine(fine) on the label. Both Nikolauswein and the date gathered > > could not be mentioned. St. Nikolaus day comes in early December in > > Germany, and the children get their gifts then. The bottle has a > > picture of a German style St. Nikolaus on the label. Many of the > > grapes gathered early in the season in 1970 did not make exceptional > > wines. However, for a few who did not pick until at least December, > > some exceptional auslesen and eiswein was made. > > The big surprise for me is that a Nikolauswein was an Auslese. I > thought, obviously wrongly, that they would be Eiswen or in extreme > situations a TBA...One lives and learns... In the pre-1971 German wine law days, many things were possible. This is the only Nikolaus wine I have had. But since it depends on the date of harvest, even a spatlese Nikolaus wine would not surprise me. Even after the new 1971 wine laws it was perfectly legal to sell a kabinett eisewein, and a few did. Needless to say, most such eisweins might better have been labeled "escence of greeness". But one also could have a TBA eiswein, often outstanding. The law was changed within a few years so that eiswein could only be used for wines made from grapes that reach BA ot TBA standard, but one could not include BA orTBA on the label in addition to eiswein. A few of the old auslese eisweins were not bad. |
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TN Scharzhoferger Feine Auslese Nikolauswein 1970, Koch
cwdjrxyz wrote:
> In the pre-1971 German wine law days, many things were possible. This > is the only Nikolaus wine I have had. But since it depends on the date > of harvest, even a spatlese Nikolaus wine would not surprise me. That's the point, I think. Since it was presumably harvested close to St. Nicholas Day, it would have been a very late harvest. To get an Auslese out it, there must have been a cool growing season and temperate Fall in '70. Mark Lipton -- alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com |
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On 3 Jul, 19:58, Mark Lipton > wrote:
> cwdjrxyz wrote: > > In the pre-1971 German wine law days, many things were possible. This > > is the only Nikolaus wine I have had. But since it depends on the date > > of harvest, even a spatlese Nikolaus wine would not surprise me. > > That's the point, I think. Since it was presumably harvested close to > St. Nicholas Day, it would have been a very late harvest. To get an > Auslese out it, there must have been a cool growing season and temperate > Fall in '70. > > Mark Lipton > -- > alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com Thanks Mark. As the original post said, this was harvested (geerntet) on 5th and 6th December. And your point is exactly what I thought: can they pick an an Auslese so late... I also asked the rather knowledgable Gasthof-owner in my vicinity and he produced a 2002 Auslese picked on 6th December from Rheinhessen! He also said told me that Scharzhofberg is famous for slow ripening. So there we go... Cheers |
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On Jul 6, 10:52 am, TB > wrote:
> On 3 Jul, 19:58, Mark Lipton > wrote: > > > cwdjrxyz wrote: > > > In the pre-1971 German wine law days, many things were possible. This > > > is the only Nikolaus wine I have had. But since it depends on the date > > > of harvest, even a spatlese Nikolaus wine would not surprise me. > > > That's the point, I think. Since it was presumably harvested close to > > St. Nicholas Day, it would have been a very late harvest. To get an > > Auslese out it, there must have been a cool growing season and temperate > > Fall in '70. > > > Mark Lipton > > -- > > alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com > > Thanks Mark. As the original post said, this was harvested (geerntet) > on 5th and 6th December. And your point is exactly what I thought: can > they pick an an Auslese so late... > > I also asked the rather knowledgable Gasthof-owner in my vicinity and > he produced a 2002 Auslese picked on 6th December from Rheinhessen! He > also said told me that Scharzhofberg is famous for slow ripening. So > there we go... The Nikolauswein mentioned is far from the latest harvest wine made in 1970. In his first great vintage wine book, Michael Broadbent mentions that a bit of Drei Konigs day eiswein was made and that the 1970 harvest ended January 6, 1971. There also was an auslese Weihnachts eiswein made in 1970.Thanish made a Bernkasteler Doctor Auslese Eiswein Christwein as well as a Bernkastller Doctor und Graben Eiswein Christwein in 1970. the second mentioned is less ripe and fine. I still have a few bottles of these. Thanish made a Bernkasteler Doctor Auslese Eiswein in 1975 , but by then the date of harvest or special day names could not be mentioned. However it was still legal to use auslese in addition to eiswein. The state domain made a Rauenthaler Baiken Riesling Beerenauslese Eiswein in 1975, of which I have a single bottle. F K Schmidt made a Nierstein Saint Killiansberg Christwein Eiswein Riesling Auslese in 1970, of which I have a single bottle. |
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TN Scharzhoferger Feine Auslese Nikolauswein 1970, Koch
cwdjrxyz wrote:
> On Jul 6, 10:52 am, TB > wrote: >> On 3 Jul, 19:58, Mark Lipton > wrote: >> >>> cwdjrxyz wrote: >>>> In the pre-1971 German wine law days, many things were possible. This >>>> is the only Nikolaus wine I have had. But since it depends on the date >>>> of harvest, even a spatlese Nikolaus wine would not surprise me. >>> That's the point, I think. Since it was presumably harvested close to >>> St. Nicholas Day, it would have been a very late harvest. To get an >>> Auslese out it, there must have been a cool growing season and temperate >>> Fall in '70. >>> Mark Lipton >>> -- >>> alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com >> Thanks Mark. As the original post said, this was harvested (geerntet) >> on 5th and 6th December. And your point is exactly what I thought: can >> they pick an an Auslese so late... >> >> I also asked the rather knowledgable Gasthof-owner in my vicinity and >> he produced a 2002 Auslese picked on 6th December from Rheinhessen! He >> also said told me that Scharzhofberg is famous for slow ripening. So >> there we go... > > The Nikolauswein mentioned is far from the latest harvest wine made in > 1970. In his first great vintage wine book, Michael Broadbent mentions > that a bit of Drei Konigs day eiswein was made and that the 1970 > harvest ended January 6, 1971. There also was an auslese Weihnachts > eiswein made in 1970.Thanish made a Bernkasteler Doctor Auslese > Eiswein Christwein as well as a Bernkastller Doctor und Graben Eiswein > Christwein in 1970. the second mentioned is less ripe and fine. I > still have a few bottles of these. Thanish made a Bernkasteler Doctor > Auslese Eiswein in 1975 , but by then the date of harvest or special > day names could not be mentioned. However it was still legal to use > auslese in addition to eiswein. The state domain made a Rauenthaler > Baiken Riesling Beerenauslese Eiswein in 1975, of which I have a > single bottle. F K Schmidt made a Nierstein Saint Killiansberg > Christwein Eiswein Riesling Auslese in 1970, of which I have a single > bottle. Again, if I understood correctly, the issue is not the harvest date per se, but rather the fact that the wine wasn't labeled as an Eiswein, as all of the above examples are. That's why I stated that Fall 1970 must have been remarkably temperate. Fortunately, that's a verifiable hypothesis, thanks to http://www.tutiempo.net: Weather results for Trier in 1970 (Sept) mean temp 14.5°C (min 10-20.9°C max) monthly low 3.9°C (9/23) (Oct) mean 9.6 (6.8-13) monthly low -1.1°C (10/24) (Nov) mean 6.5 (3.7-9.6) monthly low -1.1°C (11/25, 11/27, 11/29) (Dec 1-6) mean 6.0 (3.6-8.0) with an extreme low of 1.1°C on 12/4 Thus, they had only 5 nights of frost and no hard freeze prior to the harvest on Nikolaus day. The curious thing is that it appears that it rained for much of October and November, continuing right up to harvest time. Perhaps the Sharzhofberg was spared most of that. Mark Lipton |
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