I remember a study (2000?) done at the University of Hawaii by Dr. White
regarding an association between the consumption of tofu in mid life and
dementia in old age. Later I heard a rumor that this was caused by the
metal containers the tofu was fermented in, but I have never been able
to follow it up. Is there any site or source that addresses this? Do
you know of any brand of tofu that is not fermented in metal pans?

May Fly wrote:
> I remember a study (2000?) done at the University of Hawaii by Dr. White
> regarding an association between the consumption of tofu in mid life and
> dementia in old age. Later I heard a rumor that this was caused by the
> metal containers the tofu was fermented in, but I have never been able
> to follow it up. Is there any site or source that addresses this? Do
> you know of any brand of tofu that is not fermented in metal pans?
>
It was just foolish science. The reality is we've had test subjects
with no ill effects using soy products for thousands of years. They're
called Asians.

"Beach Runner" > wrote in message
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>
>
> May Fly wrote:
>> I remember a study (2000?) done at the University of Hawaii by Dr. White
>> regarding an association between the consumption of tofu in mid life and
>> dementia in old age. Later I heard a rumor that this was caused by the
>> metal containers the tofu was fermented in, but I have never been able
>> to follow it up. Is there any site or source that addresses this? Do
>> you know of any brand of tofu that is not fermented in metal pans?
>>
> It was just foolish science. The reality is we've had test subjects with
> no ill effects using soy products for thousands of years. They're called
> Asians.
===============
LOL Keep showing your ignorance, killer. They didn't eat the same
amounts, or process it the same way. It wasn't the "main" course as in
turkey substitutes and such.

"...Industrial methods for the production of soymilk leave out the
all-important squeezing and skimming steps. The presoaking is shortened by
using an alkaline solution. This process helps deactivate some of the enzyme
inhibitors, but not the other antinutrients. The high pH value of the
soaking solution results in a decrease in cystine content when the beverage
is heated, thus lowering total protein availability and soymilk's usefulness
as a protein source.5 Various refined sweeteners, preservatives and
stabilizers may then be added. ..."

Asians typically eat only 6 grams per day of soy products, nothing like the
larger quantities eaten by Westerners.

John

"Beach Runner" > wrote in message
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>
>
> May Fly wrote:
> > I remember a study (2000?) done at the University of Hawaii by Dr. White
> > regarding an association between the consumption of tofu in mid life and
> > dementia in old age. Later I heard a rumor that this was caused by the
> > metal containers the tofu was fermented in, but I have never been able
> > to follow it up. Is there any site or source that addresses this? Do
> > you know of any brand of tofu that is not fermented in metal pans?
> >
> It was just foolish science. The reality is we've had test subjects
> with no ill effects using soy products for thousands of years. They're
> called Asians.

"Beach Runner" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> May Fly wrote:
>> I remember a study (2000?) done at the University of Hawaii by Dr. White
>> regarding an association between the consumption of tofu in mid life and
>> dementia in old age. Later I heard a rumor that this was caused by the
>> metal containers the tofu was fermented in, but I have never been able
>> to follow it up. Is there any site or source that addresses this? Do
>> you know of any brand of tofu that is not fermented in metal pans?
>>
> It was just foolish science. The reality is we've had test subjects with
> no ill effects using soy products for thousands of years. They're called
> Asians.
===============
LOL Keep showing your ignorance, killer. They didn't eat the same
amounts, or process it the same way. It wasn't the "main" course as in
turkey substitutes and such.

"...Industrial methods for the production of soymilk leave out the
all-important squeezing and skimming steps. The presoaking is shortened by
using an alkaline solution. This process helps deactivate some of the enzyme
inhibitors, but not the other antinutrients. The high pH value of the
soaking solution results in a decrease in cystine content when the beverage
is heated, thus lowering total protein availability and soymilk's usefulness
as a protein source.5 Various refined sweeteners, preservatives and
stabilizers may then be added. ..."

May Fly wrote:
> I remember a study (2000?) done at the University of Hawaii by Dr. White
> regarding an association between the consumption of tofu in mid life and
> dementia in old age. Later I heard a rumor that this was caused by the
> metal containers the tofu was fermented in, but I have never been able
> to follow it up. Is there any site or source that addresses this? Do
> you know of any brand of tofu that is not fermented in metal pans?
>

I was at talk this summer with vegan nutrtionist Brenda Davis RD (
former head of some Canadian Nutritional Council and author of about 1/2
dozen books ).

She described about a half dozen ways that study was flawed. It was so
seriously flawed that we lay people in the audience didn't need to have
the flaws explained to us.

I wish I could remember more.....dam, it must have been that tofu I had
last week!

The thing to remember when you hear anything about soy is that the soy
industry is huge and is threatening to take profits away from the animal
food industry which is also huge.

You have two industrial giants pumping money into studies/propaganda.



Steve

"Steve" > wrote in message
...
> May Fly wrote:
>> I remember a study (2000?) done at the University of Hawaii by Dr. White
>> regarding an association between the consumption of tofu in mid life and
>> dementia in old age. Later I heard a rumor that this was caused by the
>> metal containers the tofu was fermented in, but I have never been able
>> to follow it up. Is there any site or source that addresses this? Do
>> you know of any brand of tofu that is not fermented in metal pans?
>>
>
> I was at talk this summer with vegan nutrtionist Brenda Davis RD ( former
> head of some Canadian Nutritional Council and author of about 1/2 dozen
> books ).
>
> She described about a half dozen ways that study was flawed. It was so
> seriously flawed that we lay people in the audience didn't need to have
> the flaws explained to us.
>
> I wish I could remember more.....dam, it must have been that tofu I had
> last week!
>
> The thing to remember when you hear anything about soy is that the soy
> industry is huge and is threatening to take profits away from the animal
> food industry which is also huge.
====================
LOL Remember that when the idiots post how great soy is, and point to
wonderful sites that say so. All of course promoted by the soy industry.

The fact remains that the soy we eat is not made the same as it was
traditionally. Plus, it wasn't used as the "main" course as in turkey
substitutes.


>
> You have two industrial giants pumping money into studies/propaganda.
>
>
>
> Steve

thanks for the link

I know that there are always commercial interest groups who try to skew
research results to match their own agendas; but I don't feel that's
sufficient reason to reject data out of hand. On the contrary, I think
any study that attracts such attention should be reviewed even more
closely. And those who reject it without examination (pro and con)
stand to suffer if the study is correct (in this case).

Meanwhile, I'm still sifting through what I've read, trying to determine
if this is sufficient motive to make me want to limit soy intake in my
diet to two servings a week.

"Steve" > wrote in message
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> May Fly wrote:
>> I remember a study (2000?) done at the University of Hawaii by Dr. White
>> regarding an association between the consumption of tofu in mid life and
>> dementia in old age. Later I heard a rumor that this was caused by the
>> metal containers the tofu was fermented in, but I have never been able
>> to follow it up. Is there any site or source that addresses this? Do
>> you know of any brand of tofu that is not fermented in metal pans?
>>
>
> I was at talk this summer with vegan nutrtionist Brenda Davis RD ( former
> head of some Canadian Nutritional Council and author of about 1/2 dozen
> books ).
>
> She described about a half dozen ways that study was flawed. It was so
> seriously flawed that we lay people in the audience didn't need to have
> the flaws explained to us.
>
> I wish I could remember more.....dam, it must have been that tofu I had
> last week!
>
> The thing to remember when you hear anything about soy is that the soy
> industry is huge and is threatening to take profits away from the animal
> food industry which is also huge.
====================
LOL Remember that when the idiots post how great soy is, and point to
wonderful sites that say so. All of course promoted by the soy industry.

The fact remains that the soy we eat is not made the same as it was
traditionally. Plus, it wasn't used as the "main" course as in turkey
substitutes.


>
> You have two industrial giants pumping money into studies/propaganda.
>
>
>
> Steve

"May Fly" > wrote in message
...
>I remember a study (2000?) done at the University of Hawaii by Dr. White
> regarding an association between the consumption of tofu in mid life and
> dementia in old age.
Links on the hazards of eating soy: http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html

Laurie

link for Trouble With Tofu: Soy and the Brain has been removed at Mercola

"Laurie" > wrote in message
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>
> "May Fly" > wrote in message
> ...
> >I remember a study (2000?) done at the University of Hawaii by Dr. White
> > regarding an association between the consumption of tofu in mid life and
> > dementia in old age.
> Links on the hazards of eating soy: http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html
>
> Laurie
>
>

John Coleman wrote:

> link for Trouble With Tofu: Soy and the Brain has been removed at Mercola
>
> "Laurie" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>"May Fly" > wrote in message
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>>
>>>I remember a study (2000?) done at the University of Hawaii by Dr. White
>>>regarding an association between the consumption of tofu in mid life and
>>>dementia in old age.


It conjecture, never shown with people.

>>
>> Links on the hazards of eating soy: http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html
>>
>> Laurie
>>
>>
>
>
>

"John Coleman" > wrote in message
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> link for Trouble With Tofu: Soy and the Brain has been
> removed at Mercola
Not removed, but moved to
http://www.mercola.com/2000/sep/17/soy_brain.htm

Thanks for the link check...

Laurie

link for Trouble With Tofu: Soy and the Brain has been removed at Mercola

"Laurie" > wrote in message
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>
> "May Fly" > wrote in message
> ...
> >I remember a study (2000?) done at the University of Hawaii by Dr. White
> > regarding an association between the consumption of tofu in mid life and
> > dementia in old age.
> Links on the hazards of eating soy: http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html
>
> Laurie
>
>