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![]() “Veganism” *is* bullshit. Here’s why. It claims to be an ethical response to an ethical problem, but 1) there is no agreement that there is an ethical problem in the human use of animals per se, and 2) the response is ethically empty. All “vegans” start by committing a logical fallacy, the fallacy of denying the antecedent: If I consume animal parts, I cause the suffering and death of animals. I do not consume any animal parts; therefore, I do not cause the suffering and death of animals. The conclusion is wrong because consuming animal parts is not the only way in which animals are caused to suffer and die. Crop agriculture kills and maims uncounted millions of wild animals of the field – usually not as large as the largest livestock, but millions of bird, reptiles, amphibians, and small mammals; even animals as large as deer are routinely killed by crop machinery. So, the conclusion is false. All “vegans” also begin by saying they live a “cruelty free ‘lifestyle’”, but this is also bullshit, due to the fact of animal collateral deaths elaborated above. Most “vegans” retreat from that position to the weaker claim that they at least “minimize” animal suffering and death, but that is also bullshit. To minimize, they must count, and no one does that. It is conceivable to follow a meat-including diet that actually causes less harm to animals than the typical “vegan” diet, but even if one looks only at “vegan” diets, it is obvious that some food crops cause less harm than others; unless a “vegan” excludes everything but the least-harm vegetables from his diet, he cannot be said to be minimizing the harm he causes. The next retreat is to the claim of “doing the best I can,” but again that is bullshit, for the same reason: unless one has undertaken to measure the harm, it is unlikely one is doing the best one can; there must be *some* change, say less rice and more soybeans, that would yield an improvement. In the end, the “vegan” has to retreat to the nastiest, vilest position of all: “I’m doing better than you meat eaters.” That makes virtue into a comparison with others, and that is morally repugnant. It also isn’t true, and it also yields perverse results. The claim is morally repugnant because virtue never consists in comparing one's behavior with others; it consists solely in doing what is right. It isn’t true because it is possible, as I said, to follow a meat-including diet that is lower harm than the typical “vegan” diet. The perversion comes from observing that even if the “vegan” is causing less harm than an omnivore, his criterion for determining virtue would allow him to INCREASE the amount of harm he causes to animals, but as long as it remains less than that of omnivores, he would pronounce himself still virtuous. How can increasing the harm one causes to animals be called virtuous? “Veganism” is bullshit through and through. It is a false moral pose based wholly on self-exaltation. |
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