I'm looking for some vegan books for people who are just starting. I'm
not talking about books that explains only the positive effect of vegan
life as opposed to SAD life; I'm already past that stage. I want some
books that deal with effective ways newbies should use to get into the
vegan lifestyle.

Patoutou wrote:
> I'm looking for some vegan books for people who are just starting. I'm
> not talking about books that explains only the positive effect of vegan
> life as opposed to SAD life; I'm already past that stage. I want some
> books that deal with effective ways newbies should use to get into the
> vegan lifestyle.


Free:
http://www.veganoutreach.org/starterpack

http://www.veganhealth.org

http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdo...ealthyVeg.html

HTH

Steve

--
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"The great American thought trap: It is not real
unless it can be seen on television or bought in a
shopping mall"

Patoutou wrote:
> I'm looking for some vegan books for people who are just starting. I'm
> not talking about books that explains only the positive effect of vegan
> life as opposed to SAD life; I'm already past that stage. I want some
> books that deal with effective ways newbies should use to get into the
> vegan lifestyle.


Free:
http://www.veganoutreach.org/starterpack

http://www.veganhealth.org

http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdo...ealthyVeg.html

HTH

Steve

--
Be A Healthy Vegan Or Vegetarian
http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdo...ealthyVeg.html

Steve's Home Page
http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/

"The great American thought trap: It is not real
unless it can be seen on television or bought in a
shopping mall"

On 9/19/2004 11:57 AM, Patoutou wrote:
> I'm looking for some vegan books for people who are just starting. I'm
> not talking about books that explains only the positive effect of vegan
> life as opposed to SAD life; I'm already past that stage. I want some
> books that deal with effective ways newbies should use to get into the
> vegan lifestyle.

150 Vegan Favorites by Jay Solomon -- good food but he gives some dishes
pretty lame names (I just renamed them for our family lingo).

--
jmk in NC

In article <C%h3d.817$Ec4.401@trndny04>, Patoutou
> wrote:

> I'm looking for some vegan books for people who are just starting.

http://www.vrg.org/

--
-John
http://electronworks.com/recipes/

In article <C%h3d.817$Ec4.401@trndny04>, Patoutou
> wrote:

> I'm looking for some vegan books for people who are just starting.

http://www.vrg.org/

--
-John
http://electronworks.com/recipes/

I would wait a while before buying nutrition books from the VRG.

Some of their nutrition information is dated ( they are revising their
materials ).

Steve


John Manning wrote:
> In article <C%h3d.817$Ec4.401@trndny04>, Patoutou
> > wrote:
>
>
>>I'm looking for some vegan books for people who are just starting.
>
>
> http://www.vrg.org/
>


--
Be A Healthy Vegan Or Vegetarian
http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdo...ealthyVeg.html

Steve's Home Page
http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/

"The great American thought trap: It is not real
unless it can be seen on television or bought in a
shopping mall"

I would wait a while before buying nutrition books from the VRG.

Some of their nutrition information is dated ( they are revising their
materials ).

Steve


John Manning wrote:
> In article <C%h3d.817$Ec4.401@trndny04>, Patoutou
> > wrote:
>
>
>>I'm looking for some vegan books for people who are just starting.
>
>
> http://www.vrg.org/
>


--
Be A Healthy Vegan Or Vegetarian
http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdo...ealthyVeg.html

Steve's Home Page
http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/

"The great American thought trap: It is not real
unless it can be seen on television or bought in a
shopping mall"

In my opinion, you should consider " The Food Revolution" by John
Robbins and "Vegan: The New Ethics of Eating" by John Marcus. I found
both to be interesting and informative reads. You won't find any
recipes, but you will find detailed information about health and
nutrition. See if they are available in your local library.
Andrew

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:38:47 -0400, Steve > wrote:

>I would wait a while before buying nutrition books from the VRG.
>
>Some of their nutrition information is dated ( they are revising their
>materials ).
>
>Steve
>
>
>John Manning wrote:
>> In article <C%h3d.817$Ec4.401@trndny04>, Patoutou
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'm looking for some vegan books for people who are just starting.
>>
>>
>> http://www.vrg.org/
>>

In my opinion, you should consider " The Food Revolution" by John
Robbins and "Vegan: The New Ethics of Eating" by John Marcus. I found
both to be interesting and informative reads. You won't find any
recipes, but you will find detailed information about health and
nutrition. See if they are available in your local library.
Andrew

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:38:47 -0400, Steve > wrote:

>I would wait a while before buying nutrition books from the VRG.
>
>Some of their nutrition information is dated ( they are revising their
>materials ).
>
>Steve
>
>
>John Manning wrote:
>> In article <C%h3d.817$Ec4.401@trndny04>, Patoutou
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'm looking for some vegan books for people who are just starting.
>>
>>
>> http://www.vrg.org/
>>

I recently read Marcus's book. The nutrition info is also out of date.

A lot of new stuff has come out recently.

A very thorough and up to date book would be

Becoming Vegan
Brenda Davis, R.D. & Vesanto Melina, M.S., R.D.
Published 2000. ISBN 1-57067-103-6

or

The New Becoming Vegetarian
Brenda Davis, R.D. & Vesanto Melina, M.S., R.D.
Published 2003. ISBN 1570671443
( covers veganism )

I also think a new vegan could do very will with the vegan starter kit
from veganoutreach:

http://www.veganoutreach.org/starterpack


aiucci wrote:
> In my opinion, you should consider " The Food Revolution" by John
> Robbins and "Vegan: The New Ethics of Eating" by John Marcus. I found
> both to be interesting and informative reads. You won't find any
> recipes, but you will find detailed information about health and
> nutrition. See if they are available in your local library.
> Andrew
>
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:38:47 -0400, Steve > wrote:
>
>
>>I would wait a while before buying nutrition books from the VRG.
>>
>>Some of their nutrition information is dated ( they are revising their
>>materials ).
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>
>>John Manning wrote:
>>
>>>In article <C%h3d.817$Ec4.401@trndny04>, Patoutou
> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm looking for some vegan books for people who are just starting.
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.vrg.org/
>>>
>
>


--
Be A Healthy Vegan Or Vegetarian
http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdo...ealthyVeg.html

Steve's Home Page
http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/

"The great American thought trap: It is not real
unless it can be seen on television or bought in a
shopping mall"

I recently read Marcus's book. The nutrition info is also out of date.

A lot of new stuff has come out recently.

A very thorough and up to date book would be

Becoming Vegan
Brenda Davis, R.D. & Vesanto Melina, M.S., R.D.
Published 2000. ISBN 1-57067-103-6

or

The New Becoming Vegetarian
Brenda Davis, R.D. & Vesanto Melina, M.S., R.D.
Published 2003. ISBN 1570671443
( covers veganism )

I also think a new vegan could do very will with the vegan starter kit
from veganoutreach:

http://www.veganoutreach.org/starterpack


aiucci wrote:
> In my opinion, you should consider " The Food Revolution" by John
> Robbins and "Vegan: The New Ethics of Eating" by John Marcus. I found
> both to be interesting and informative reads. You won't find any
> recipes, but you will find detailed information about health and
> nutrition. See if they are available in your local library.
> Andrew
>
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:38:47 -0400, Steve > wrote:
>
>
>>I would wait a while before buying nutrition books from the VRG.
>>
>>Some of their nutrition information is dated ( they are revising their
>>materials ).
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>
>>John Manning wrote:
>>
>>>In article <C%h3d.817$Ec4.401@trndny04>, Patoutou
> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm looking for some vegan books for people who are just starting.
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.vrg.org/
>>>
>
>


--
Be A Healthy Vegan Or Vegetarian
http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdo...ealthyVeg.html

Steve's Home Page
http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/

"The great American thought trap: It is not real
unless it can be seen on television or bought in a
shopping mall"

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 15:57:22 GMT, Patoutou > wrote:

>I'm looking for some vegan books for people who are just starting. I'm
>not talking about books that explains only the positive effect of vegan
>life as opposed to SAD life; I'm already past that stage. I want some
>books that deal with effective ways newbies should use to get into the
>vegan lifestyle.

· Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of
wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
What they try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following in order to be successful:
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Tires, Surgical sutures, Matches, Soaps, Photographic film,
Cosmetics, Shaving cream, Paints, Candles, Crayon/Chalk,
Toothpaste, Deodorants, Mouthwash, Paper, Upholstery,
Floor waxes, Glass, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer,
Antifreeze

http://www.aif.org/lvstock.htm
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Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic,
Textiles, Blood factors, Collagen, Heparin, Insulin,
Pancreatin, Thrombin, Vasopressin, Vitamin B-12, Asphalt,
auto and jet lubricants, outboard engine oil, high-performance
greases, brake fluid

http://www.teachfree.com/student/wow_that_cow.htm
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contact-lens care products, glues for paper and cardboard
cartons, bookbinding glue, clarification of wines, Hemostats,
sunscreens and sunblocks, dental floss, hairspray, inks, PVC

http://www.discover.com/aug_01/featcow.html
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Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants,
Stearic Acid, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides, Syringes,
Gelatin Capsules, Bandage Strips, Combs and Toothbrushes,
Emery Boards and Cloth, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products,
Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane
Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape, Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High
Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings

http://www.sheepusa.org/environment/products.shtml
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The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
slaughters, and the animals live and die in it as they do
in any other habitat. They also depend on it for their
lives like the animals in any other habitat. If people
consume animal products from animals they think are
raised in decent ways, they will be promoting life for
more such animals in the future.
From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat. From a grass
raised dairy cow people get thousands of servings of dairy
products. Due to the influence of farm machinery, and *icides,
and in the case of rice the flooding and draining of fields,
one serving of soy or rice based product is likely to involve
more animal deaths than hundreds of servings derived from grass
raised cattle. Grass raised cattle products contribute to less
wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and decent lives for
cattle. ·