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Some "vegans", in a desperate attempt to find some club
with which to beat on meat eaters, given that the limp reed of so-called "ethical" vegetarianism is entirely ineffectual, have seized on the supposed "inefficiency" of producing meat as a reason to decry meat *consumption*. The "vegan" pseudo-argument on "inefficiency" is that the resources used to produce a given amount of meat could produce a much greater amount of vegetable food for direct human consumption, due to the loss of energy that results from feeding grain and other feeds to livestock. In order to examine the efficiency of some process, there must be agreement on what the end product is whose efficiency of production you are examining. If you're looking at the production of consumer electronics, for example, then the output is televisions, stereo receivers, DVD players, etc. Rather obviously, you need to get specific. No sensible person is going to suggest that we ought to discontinue the production of television sets, because they require more resources to produce (which they do), and produce more DVD players instead. (For the cave-dwellers, an extremely high quality DVD player may be bought for under US$100, while a comparable quality television set is going to cost several hundred dollars. $500 for a DVD player is astronomical - I'm not even sure there are any that expensive - while you can easily pay $8000 or more for large plasma TV monitor, which will require a separate TV receiver.) What are the "vegans" doing with their misuse of "inefficiency"? They're clearly saying that the end product whose efficiency of production we want to consider is "food", i.e., undifferentiated food calories. Just as clearly, they are wrong. Humans don't consider all foods equal, and hence equally substitutable. As in debunking so much of "veganism", we can see this easily - laughably easily - by restricting our view to a strictly vegetarian diet, without introducing meat into the discussion at all. If "vegans" REALLY were interested in food production efficiency, they would be advocating the production of only a very small number of vegetable crops, as it is obvious that some crops are more efficient to produce - use less resources per nutritional unit of output - than others. But how do "vegans" actually behave? Why, they buy some fruits and vegetables that are resource-efficient, and they buy some fruits and vegetables that are relatively resource-INefficient. You know this by looking at retail prices: higher priced goods ARE higher priced because they use more resources to produce. If "vegans" REALLY were interested in food production efficiency, they would only be buying the absolutely cheapest fruit or vegetable for any given nutritional requirement. This would necessarily mean there would be ONLY one kind of leafy green vegetable, one kind of grain, one variety of fruit, and so on. If "vegans" were to extend this misuse of "efficiency" into other consumer goods, say clothing, then there would be only one kind of shoe produced (and thus only one brand). The same would hold for every conceivable garment. A button-front shirt with collars costs more to produce - uses more resources - than does a T-shirt, so everyone "ought" to wear only T-shirts, if we're going to focus on the efficiency of shirt production. You don't "need" any button front shirts, just as you don't "need" meat. But look in any "vegan's" wardrobe, and you'll see a variety of different kinds of clothing (all natural fiber, of course.) "vegans" aren't advocating that only the most "efficient" clothing be produced, as their own behavior clearly indicates. The correct way to analyze efficiency of production is to focus as narrowly as possible on the end product, then see if that product can be produced using fewer resources. It is important to note that the consumer's view of products as distinct things is crucial. A radio can be produced far more "efficiently", in terms of resource use, than a television; but consumers don't view radios and televisions as generic entertainment devices. The critical mistake, the UNBELIEVABLY stupid mistake, that "vegans" who misconceive of "inefficiency" are making, is to see "food" as some undifferentiated lump of calories and other nutritional requirements. Once one realizes that this is not how ANYONE, including the "vegans" themselves, views food, then the "inefficiency" argument against using resources for meat production falls to the ground. I hope this helps. |
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