If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing sentient
animals like whales for food, you may be appalled by this URL:
http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o

Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions to
kill up to 1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.

Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986, but has
since carried out whaling for "scientific research".

Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru, will
depart from the southern port of Shimonoseki.



James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Do you ever eat steak or hamburger?
"Scientific studies of Animal Sentience
The most basic way of experiencing the world is through feeling or
sensation. ‘Sentience’ is defined as the ability to have perceptions and
sensations. A ‘sentient animal’ is an animal that is aware of his/her
surroundings and of what happens to him/her and is capable of feeling pain
and pleasure, at the least. The current scientific consensus is that all
vertebrate animals, at least, are capable of feeling pain and experiencing
distress. (For this reason anti-cruelty laws exist in many countries.) "

http://www.ciwf.org.uk/education/animal.html


"James Silverton" > wrote in message
news:TVJ%i.6789$e35.4210@trnddc08...
> If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing sentient
> animals like whales for food, you may be appalled by this URL:
> http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o
>
> Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions to
> kill up to 1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.
>
> Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986, but has
> since carried out whaling for "scientific research".
>
> Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru, will
> depart from the southern port of Shimonoseki.
>
>
>
> James Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland
>
> E-mail, with obvious alterations:
> not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
>

Of course all creatures feel pain, Putain, and probably not just
vertebrates, but JS meant that whales are highly intelligent
creatures. Their brains are much larger than humans' and they are the
only animals, besides the primates and porpoises and their relatives,
that have brains with higher thought processing structures and cells.

> wrote in message
...
> Of course all creatures feel pain, Putain, and probably not just
> vertebrates, but JS meant that whales are highly intelligent
> creatures. Their brains are much larger than humans' and they are the
> only animals, besides the primates and porpoises and their relatives,
> that have brains with higher thought processing structures and cells.

'Dr Tim Flannery, has caused a furor by suggesting that "less intelligent
whale species are much like sheep and should be sustainably hunted.""
http://weblog.delacour.net/archives/...d_cetacean.php

Recipe for Norwegian Whale Steak:
http://www.jacobsen.no/anders/blog/a...ale_steak.html

Wilson wrote on Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:56:07 -0500:

W> sometime in the recent past James Silverton posted this:
??>> If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing
??>> sentient animals like whales for food, you may be appalled
??>> by this URL: http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o
??>>
??>> Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions
??>> to kill up to 1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.
??>>
??>> Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986,
??>> but has since carried out whaling for "scientific
??>> research".
??>>
??>> Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru,
??>> will depart from the southern port of Shimonoseki.
??>>
??>> James Silverton
??>> Potomac, Maryland
??>>
??>> E-mail, with obvious alterations:
??>> not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
W> Frankly James, I think there should be an immediate response
W> to this blatant violation of the world wide moratorium on
W> whale hunting. That's what it is - hunting. I get rather
W> ****ed at all the science that requires the killing of
W> animals to study them. But this isn't science, it's
W> harvesting.

I wish it were possible to have such a boycott but I don't think
it will
happen :-(

However, the Japanese company that owns the "Gortons of
Gloucester" fish company did feel pressured into giving up
whaling so there is hope!




James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
news:O4E0j.9$Xg.1@trnddc06...
> Wilson wrote on Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:56:07 -0500:
>
> W> sometime in the recent past James Silverton posted this:
> ??>> If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing
> ??>> sentient animals like whales for food, you may be appalled
> ??>> by this URL: http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o
> ??>>
> ??>> Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions
> ??>> to kill up to 1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.
> ??>>
> ??>> Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986,
> ??>> but has since carried out whaling for "scientific
> ??>> research".
> ??>>
> ??>> Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru,
> ??>> will depart from the southern port of Shimonoseki.
> ??>>
> ??>> James Silverton
> ??>> Potomac, Maryland
> ??>>
> ??>> E-mail, with obvious alterations:
> ??>> not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
> W> Frankly James, I think there should be an immediate response
> W> to this blatant violation of the world wide moratorium on
> W> whale hunting. That's what it is - hunting. I get rather
> W> ****ed at all the science that requires the killing of
> W> animals to study them. But this isn't science, it's
> W> harvesting.
>
> I wish it were possible to have such a boycott but I don't think
> it will
> happen :-(
>
> However, the Japanese company that owns the "Gortons of
> Gloucester" fish company did feel pressured into giving up
> whaling so there is hope!
>
>

You two Whale lovers can go boycott Japanese products cause they eat whales.
Me, I'd rather start by boycotting Chinese and Korean products first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guVk8...eature=related
I guess it's cause I never had a pet whale.

btw, what can I boycott that's made in Denmark?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gy37...eature=related

Putain wrote:

> "James Silverton" > wrote in message
> news:O4E0j.9$Xg.1@trnddc06...
>
>>Wilson wrote on Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:56:07 -0500:
>>
>> W> sometime in the recent past James Silverton posted this:
>> ??>> If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing
>> ??>> sentient animals like whales for food, you may be appalled
>> ??>> by this URL: http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o
>> ??>>
>> ??>> Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions
>> ??>> to kill up to 1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.
>> ??>>
>> ??>> Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986,
>> ??>> but has since carried out whaling for "scientific
>> ??>> research".
>> ??>>
>> ??>> Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru,
>> ??>> will depart from the southern port of Shimonoseki.
>> ??>>
>> ??>> James Silverton
>> ??>> Potomac, Maryland
>> ??>>
>> ??>> E-mail, with obvious alterations:
>> ??>> not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
>> W> Frankly James, I think there should be an immediate response
>> W> to this blatant violation of the world wide moratorium on
>> W> whale hunting. That's what it is - hunting. I get rather
>> W> ****ed at all the science that requires the killing of
>> W> animals to study them. But this isn't science, it's
>> W> harvesting.
>>
>>I wish it were possible to have such a boycott but I don't think
>>it will
>>happen :-(
>>
>>However, the Japanese company that owns the "Gortons of
>>Gloucester" fish company did feel pressured into giving up
>>whaling so there is hope!
>>
>>
>
>
> You two Whale lovers can go boycott Japanese products cause they eat whales.
> Me, I'd rather start by boycotting Chinese and Korean products first.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guVk8...eature=related
> I guess it's cause I never had a pet whale.

I guess I'd feel worse if dogs and cats were going extinct.. but they aren't.
They are an easily managed food source. They can reproduce very easily under
any conditions.. Whales cannot and are being harvested to extinction.

I don't condone the methods the Chinese and Koreans use to butcher their meats,
but its not the same as hunting whales. Just cuz its a dog or cat does not make
it inedible because you look at them as pets. People have pet fish, but here we
are eating sushi.

--
Dan

"Dan Logcher" > wrote in message
...
> Putain wrote:
>
> > "James Silverton" > wrote in message
> > news:O4E0j.9$Xg.1@trnddc06...
> >
> >>Wilson wrote on Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:56:07 -0500:
> >>
> >> W> sometime in the recent past James Silverton posted this:
> >> ??>> If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing
> >> ??>> sentient animals like whales for food, you may be appalled
> >> ??>> by this URL: http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o
> >> ??>>
> >> ??>> Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions
> >> ??>> to kill up to 1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.
> >> ??>>
> >> ??>> Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986,
> >> ??>> but has since carried out whaling for "scientific
> >> ??>> research".
> >> ??>>
> >> ??>> Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru,
> >> ??>> will depart from the southern port of Shimonoseki.
> >> ??>>
> >> ??>> James Silverton
> >> ??>> Potomac, Maryland
> >> ??>>
> >> ??>> E-mail, with obvious alterations:
> >> ??>> not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
> >> W> Frankly James, I think there should be an immediate response
> >> W> to this blatant violation of the world wide moratorium on
> >> W> whale hunting. That's what it is - hunting. I get rather
> >> W> ****ed at all the science that requires the killing of
> >> W> animals to study them. But this isn't science, it's
> >> W> harvesting.
> >>
> >>I wish it were possible to have such a boycott but I don't think
> >>it will
> >>happen :-(
> >>
> >>However, the Japanese company that owns the "Gortons of
> >>Gloucester" fish company did feel pressured into giving up
> >>whaling so there is hope!
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > You two Whale lovers can go boycott Japanese products cause they eat
whales.
> > Me, I'd rather start by boycotting Chinese and Korean products first.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guVk8...eature=related
> > I guess it's cause I never had a pet whale.
>
> I guess I'd feel worse if dogs and cats were going extinct.. but they
aren't.
> They are an easily managed food source. They can reproduce very easily
under
> any conditions.. Whales cannot and are being harvested to extinction.
>
> I don't condone the methods the Chinese and Koreans use to butcher their
meats,
> but its not the same as hunting whales. Just cuz its a dog or cat does
not make
> it inedible because you look at them as pets. People have pet fish, but
here we
> are eating sushi.
>
> --
> Dan

All whales are not going extinct either.
No nation that engages in whaling today hunts the few truly endangered
species.
The vast majority of anti-whaling advocates believe that all species are on
the verge
of extinction. This simply is not true. It certainly was true a hundred
years ago when
we killed every whale we could find to strip them of the blubber for oil and
keep only
the baileen for combs and corsets, throwing away all of the meat as there
was no value.
Fortunately this horrible activity ended with the advent of Petroleum as the
world's main fuel source.
The misconception that all whales are on the verge of extinction is
fortified by
others, such as the fact that whales have the largest brains suggest that
they are "sentient"
on a level with humans. Brain size has never been proven as an indicator of
intelligence, it is the
size ratio of brain to body which is used for comparison, and on this basis
the brains of
whales are not any larger than they need to be for their size. True animal
intelligence is measured
by behavior and social interaction, both of which cetaceans, in particular
the smaller members
such as dolphins and orcas, rank highly. However we see the same level in
elephants which have
shown equally intelligent behavior in terms of social structure and memory.

The International Whaling Commission was created to manage the whale
populations as a
sustainable food source.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/23/opinion/23armour.html

Putain wrote:
> "Dan Logcher" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Putain wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"James Silverton" > wrote in message
>>>news:O4E0j.9$Xg.1@trnddc06...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Wilson wrote on Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:56:07 -0500:
>>>>
>>>>W> sometime in the recent past James Silverton posted this:
>>>>??>> If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing
>>>>??>> sentient animals like whales for food, you may be appalled
>>>>??>> by this URL: http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o
>>>>??>>
>>>>??>> Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions
>>>>??>> to kill up to 1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.
>>>>??>>
>>>>??>> Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986,
>>>>??>> but has since carried out whaling for "scientific
>>>>??>> research".
>>>>??>>
>>>>??>> Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru,
>>>>??>> will depart from the southern port of Shimonoseki.
>>>>??>>
>>>>??>> James Silverton
>>>>??>> Potomac, Maryland
>>>>??>>
>>>>??>> E-mail, with obvious alterations:
>>>>??>> not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
>>>>W> Frankly James, I think there should be an immediate response
>>>>W> to this blatant violation of the world wide moratorium on
>>>>W> whale hunting. That's what it is - hunting. I get rather
>>>>W> ****ed at all the science that requires the killing of
>>>>W> animals to study them. But this isn't science, it's
>>>>W> harvesting.
>>>>
>>>>I wish it were possible to have such a boycott but I don't think
>>>>it will
>>>>happen :-(
>>>>
>>>>However, the Japanese company that owns the "Gortons of
>>>>Gloucester" fish company did feel pressured into giving up
>>>>whaling so there is hope!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>You two Whale lovers can go boycott Japanese products cause they eat
>
> whales.
>
>>>Me, I'd rather start by boycotting Chinese and Korean products first.
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guVk8...eature=related
>>>I guess it's cause I never had a pet whale.
>>
>>I guess I'd feel worse if dogs and cats were going extinct.. but they
>
> aren't.
>
>>They are an easily managed food source. They can reproduce very easily
>
> under
>
>>any conditions.. Whales cannot and are being harvested to extinction.
>>
>>I don't condone the methods the Chinese and Koreans use to butcher their
>
> meats,
>
>>but its not the same as hunting whales. Just cuz its a dog or cat does
>
> not make
>
>>it inedible because you look at them as pets. People have pet fish, but
>
> here we
>
>>are eating sushi.
>
>
> All whales are not going extinct either.
> No nation that engages in whaling today hunts the few truly endangered
> species.

True, not all are going extinct and I have less of a problem with the Japanese
hunting those. They are going to take 50 Humpback whales, and their numbers
are rather low.

The larger the mamimal, the slower they are to reproduce. Whales don't usually
have more than one calf, unlike dogs and cats that have many. I also don't
believe the Japanese are doing this for science.

--
Dan

"The vast majority of anti-whaling advocates believe that all species
are on
the verge
of extinction"

Your reference for saying this? Link, please. I never heard anyone
say that.

"True animal
intelligence is measured
by behavior and social interaction..."

Adjudicated by humans. Some creatures, like porpoises, apparently use
their large brains to have fun all the time, and some creatures, like
humans, use their large brains to kill everything in sight, including
each other.