If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing sentient
animals like whales for food, you may be appalled by this URL:
http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o

Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions to
kill up to 1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.

Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986, but has
since carried out whaling for "scientific research".

Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru, will
depart from the southern port of Shimonoseki.



James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
news:MWJ%i.6790$e35.2326@trnddc08...
> If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing sentient animals
> like whales for food, you may be appalled by this URL:
> http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o
>
> Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions to kill up to
> 1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.
>
> Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986, but has since
> carried out whaling for "scientific research".
>
> Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru, will depart
> from the southern port of Shimonoseki.
>
>
>
> James Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland

You just want to get into Hayden Panettiere's pants.

Mitch

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
news:MWJ%i.6790$e35.2326@trnddc08...
> If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing sentient animals
> like whales for food, you may be appalled by this URL:
> http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o
>
> Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions to kill up to
> 1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.
>
> Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986, but has since
> carried out whaling for "scientific research".
>
> Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru, will depart
> from the southern port of Shimonoseki.
>
>
>
> James Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland


I agree about the whales, but not because they're sentient. Who are we to
judge which animals are sentient and which are not? Got a definitive list?

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "James Silverton" > wrote in message
> news:MWJ%i.6790$e35.2326@trnddc08...
>> If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing sentient animals
>> like whales for food, you may be appalled by this URL:
>> http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o
>>
>> Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions to kill up to
>> 1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.
>>
>> Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986, but has since
>> carried out whaling for "scientific research".
>>
>> Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru, will depart
>> from the southern port of Shimonoseki.
>>
>>
>>
>> James Silverton
>> Potomac, Maryland
>
>
> I agree about the whales, but not because they're sentient. Who are we to
> judge which animals are sentient and which are not? Got a definitive list?
>
>

Hell, I've known enough humans I've had doubts about...

--

Sarah Gray

"Sarah Gray" > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "James Silverton" > wrote in message
>> news:MWJ%i.6790$e35.2326@trnddc08...
>>> If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing sentient animals
>>> like whales for food, you may be appalled by this URL:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o
>>>
>>> Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions to kill up to
>>> 1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.
>>>
>>> Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986, but has since
>>> carried out whaling for "scientific research".
>>>
>>> Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru, will depart
>>> from the southern port of Shimonoseki.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> James Silverton
>>> Potomac, Maryland
>>
>>
>> I agree about the whales, but not because they're sentient. Who are we to
>> judge which animals are sentient and which are not? Got a definitive
>> list?
>
> Hell, I've known enough humans I've had doubts about...
>
> --
>
> Sarah Gray

White.....House.....

Sarah wrote on Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:53:41 -0500:

SG> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
??>> "James Silverton" > wrote in
??>> message news:MWJ%i.6790$e35.2326@trnddc08...
??>>> If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing
??>>> sentient animals like whales for food, you may be
??>>> appalled by this URL: http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o
??>>>
??>>> Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had
??>>> instructions to kill up to 1,000 whales, including 50
??>>> humpbacks.
??>>>
??>>> Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986,
??>>> but has since carried out whaling for "scientific
??>>> research".
??>>>
??>>> Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin
??>>> Maru, will depart from the southern port of Shimonoseki.
??>>>
??>>> James Silverton
??>>> Potomac, Maryland
??>>
??>> I agree about the whales, but not because they're
??>> sentient. Who are we to judge which animals are sentient
??>> and which are not? Got a definitive list?
??>>
SG> Hell, I've known enough humans I've had doubts about...

There might be some humans the world could do without but I
can't give names for sure even if history (unfortunately) gives
some indication:-)

At the moment, tho' my personal
non-eating list might grow, it includes all whales, possibly all
dolphins and certainly orcas. To tell the truth, it is easy to
avoid eating whale since my memory of eating the meat long ago
is that it tasted like beef with fishy overtones....a bit like
the results of the unsuccessful attempt to feed pigs fish meal
during WWII :-)

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
news:tng0j.38917$dl4.3262@trnddc04...
> Sarah wrote on Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:53:41 -0500:
>
> SG> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> ??>> "James Silverton" > wrote in
> ??>> message news:MWJ%i.6790$e35.2326@trnddc08...
> ??>>> If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing
> ??>>> sentient animals like whales for food, you may be
> ??>>> appalled by this URL: http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o
> ??>>>
> ??>>> Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had
> ??>>> instructions to kill up to 1,000 whales, including 50
> ??>>> humpbacks.
> ??>>>
> ??>>> Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986,
> ??>>> but has since carried out whaling for "scientific
> ??>>> research".
> ??>>>
> ??>>> Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin
> ??>>> Maru, will depart from the southern port of Shimonoseki.
> ??>>>
> ??>>> James Silverton
> ??>>> Potomac, Maryland
> ??>>
> ??>> I agree about the whales, but not because they're
> ??>> sentient. Who are we to judge which animals are sentient
> ??>> and which are not? Got a definitive list?
> ??>>
> SG> Hell, I've known enough humans I've had doubts about...
>
> There might be some humans the world could do without but I
> can't give names for sure even if history (unfortunately) gives some
> indication:-)
>
> At the moment, tho' my personal
> non-eating list might grow, it includes all whales, possibly all
> dolphins and certainly orcas. To tell the truth, it is easy to
> avoid eating whale since my memory of eating the meat long ago
> is that it tasted like beef with fishy overtones....a bit like
> the results of the unsuccessful attempt to feed pigs fish meal
> during WWII :-)
>
> James Silverton


Here are three definitions of sentient:
1 : responsive to or conscious of sense impressions <sentient beings> 2 :
aware 3 : finely sensitive in perception or feeling

Do you agree with any or all of these definitions? If yes, please show proof
that cows, chickens, pigs, turkeys and many fish are not sentient.

Proof.

In article >,
"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> "James Silverton" > wrote in message
> news:tng0j.38917$dl4.3262@trnddc04...
> > Sarah wrote on Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:53:41 -0500:
> >
> > SG> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> > ??>> "James Silverton" > wrote in
> > ??>> message news:MWJ%i.6790$e35.2326@trnddc08...
> > ??>>> If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing
> > ??>>> sentient animals like whales for food, you may be
> > ??>>> appalled by this URL: http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o
> > ??>>>
> > ??>>> Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had
> > ??>>> instructions to kill up to 1,000 whales, including 50
> > ??>>> humpbacks.
> > ??>>>
> > ??>>> Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986,
> > ??>>> but has since carried out whaling for "scientific
> > ??>>> research".
> > ??>>>
> > ??>>> Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin
> > ??>>> Maru, will depart from the southern port of Shimonoseki.
> > ??>>>
> > ??>>> James Silverton
> > ??>>> Potomac, Maryland
> > ??>>
> > ??>> I agree about the whales, but not because they're
> > ??>> sentient. Who are we to judge which animals are sentient
> > ??>> and which are not? Got a definitive list?
> > ??>>
> > SG> Hell, I've known enough humans I've had doubts about...
> >
> > There might be some humans the world could do without but I
> > can't give names for sure even if history (unfortunately) gives some
> > indication:-)
> >
> > At the moment, tho' my personal
> > non-eating list might grow, it includes all whales, possibly all
> > dolphins and certainly orcas. To tell the truth, it is easy to
> > avoid eating whale since my memory of eating the meat long ago
> > is that it tasted like beef with fishy overtones....a bit like
> > the results of the unsuccessful attempt to feed pigs fish meal
> > during WWII :-)
> >
> > James Silverton
>
>
> Here are three definitions of sentient:
> 1 : responsive to or conscious of sense impressions <sentient beings> 2 :
> aware 3 : finely sensitive in perception or feeling
>
> Do you agree with any or all of these definitions? If yes, please show proof
> that cows, chickens, pigs, turkeys and many fish are not sentient.
>
> Proof.

A lot of people use the word "sentient" where they mean "sapient".

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:52:13 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote:

>"James Silverton" > wrote in message
>news:tng0j.38917$dl4.3262@trnddc04...
>> Sarah wrote on Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:53:41 -0500:
>>
>> SG> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> ??>> "James Silverton" > wrote in
>> ??>> message news:MWJ%i.6790$e35.2326@trnddc08...
>> ??>>> If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing
>> ??>>> sentient animals like whales for food, you may be
>> ??>>> appalled by this URL: http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o
>> ??>>>
>> ??>>> Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had
>> ??>>> instructions to kill up to 1,000 whales, including 50
>> ??>>> humpbacks.
>> ??>>>
>> ??>>> Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986,
>> ??>>> but has since carried out whaling for "scientific
>> ??>>> research".
>> ??>>>
>> ??>>> Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin
>> ??>>> Maru, will depart from the southern port of Shimonoseki.
>> ??>>>
>> ??>>> James Silverton
>> ??>>> Potomac, Maryland
>> ??>>
>> ??>> I agree about the whales, but not because they're
>> ??>> sentient. Who are we to judge which animals are sentient
>> ??>> and which are not? Got a definitive list?
>> ??>>
>> SG> Hell, I've known enough humans I've had doubts about...
>>
>> There might be some humans the world could do without but I
>> can't give names for sure even if history (unfortunately) gives some
>> indication:-)
>>
>> At the moment, tho' my personal
>> non-eating list might grow, it includes all whales, possibly all
>> dolphins and certainly orcas. To tell the truth, it is easy to
>> avoid eating whale since my memory of eating the meat long ago
>> is that it tasted like beef with fishy overtones....a bit like
>> the results of the unsuccessful attempt to feed pigs fish meal
>> during WWII :-)
>>
>> James Silverton
>
>
>Here are three definitions of sentient:
>1 : responsive to or conscious of sense impressions <sentient beings> 2 :
>aware 3 : finely sensitive in perception or feeling
>
>Do you agree with any or all of these definitions? If yes, please show proof
>that cows, chickens, pigs, turkeys and many fish are not sentient.
>
>Proof.
>

how about this? i don't give a **** what the chicken thinks about me
eating him.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:53:41 -0500, Sarah Gray
> wrote:

>JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "James Silverton" > wrote in message
>> news:MWJ%i.6790$e35.2326@trnddc08...
>>> If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing sentient animals
>>> like whales for food, you may be appalled by this URL:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o
>>>
>>> Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions to kill up to
>>> 1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.
>>>
>>> Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986, but has since
>>> carried out whaling for "scientific research".
>>>
>>> Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru, will depart
>>> from the southern port of Shimonoseki.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> James Silverton
>>> Potomac, Maryland
>>
>>
>> I agree about the whales, but not because they're sentient. Who are we to
>> judge which animals are sentient and which are not? Got a definitive list?
>>
>>
>
>Hell, I've known enough humans I've had doubts about...

and no one would say 'boo' if you ate them. they themselves might
squawk, though.

your pal,
blake

In article >, blake murphy > wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:53:41 -0500, Sarah Gray
> wrote:
>
>>JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>> "James Silverton" > wrote in message
>>> news:MWJ%i.6790$e35.2326@trnddc08...
>>>> If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing sentient animals
>>>> like whales for food, you may be appalled by this URL:
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o
>>>>
>>>> Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions to kill up to
>>>> 1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.
>>>>
>>>> Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986, but has since
>>>> carried out whaling for "scientific research".
>>>>
>>>> Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru, will depart
>>>> from the southern port of Shimonoseki.
>>>>
>>>> James Silverton
>>>> Potomac, Maryland
>>>
>>> I agree about the whales, but not because they're sentient. Who are we to
>>> judge which animals are sentient and which are not? Got a definitive list?
>>
>>Hell, I've known enough humans I've had doubts about...
>
>and no one would say 'boo' if you ate them. they themselves might
>squawk, though.

Only on the way *into* the pot. It soon stops.


Cheers, Phred.

--
LID