DH is hooking up the downdraft system for our range. We just discovered
that wall has *no* insulation. Not a really good thing to discover in
the middle of winter in Canada! Damn I hate that and old houses to boot
- sometimes! The only good thing is if everything goes well we should
be able to cook steak on the indoor grill tonight.

In article >,
~patches~ > wrote:

> DH is hooking up the downdraft system for our range. We just discovered
> that wall has *no* insulation. Not a really good thing to discover in
> the middle of winter in Canada! Damn I hate that and old houses to boot
> - sometimes! The only good thing is if everything goes well we should
> be able to cook steak on the indoor grill tonight.

Scary...

so, are you going to insualte and fire proof it?
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

> In article >,
> ~patches~ > wrote:
>
>
>>DH is hooking up the downdraft system for our range. We just discovered
>>that wall has *no* insulation. Not a really good thing to discover in
>>the middle of winter in Canada! Damn I hate that and old houses to boot
>>- sometimes! The only good thing is if everything goes well we should
>>be able to cook steak on the indoor grill tonight.
>
>
> Scary...
>
> so, are you going to insualte and fire proof it?

Well let's see now. DH & I don't work well together for DIY projects so
despite my suggestions DH is doing it his way. He's currently talking to
himself while sipping bailey's & coffee while looking at a hole in the
outside wall. Seriously though, he does know what he's doing. What
he's installing today will get the downdraft going nicely until spring
then we are going to have to tear that wall apart and put insulation in
Actually, we'll end up removing all the cabinets and re-doing two
outside uninsulated walls. We get really strong winds during the winter
and had suspected the original main house walls were not insulated so
this just confirms it. We are planning on bricking this year the
outside so will do the necessary sealing and insulation then. Fire
proofing isn't a real issue as our voluntary fire dept has never lost a
foundation yet

In article >,
~patches~ > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > ~patches~ > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>DH is hooking up the downdraft system for our range. We just discovered
> >>that wall has *no* insulation. Not a really good thing to discover in
> >>the middle of winter in Canada! Damn I hate that and old houses to boot
> >>- sometimes! The only good thing is if everything goes well we should
> >>be able to cook steak on the indoor grill tonight.
> >
> >
> > Scary...
> >
> > so, are you going to insualte and fire proof it?
>
> Well let's see now. DH & I don't work well together for DIY projects so
> despite my suggestions DH is doing it his way. He's currently talking to
> himself while sipping bailey's & coffee while looking at a hole in the
> outside wall.

Oh Shi***. ;-)
Not sure that fireproofing and booze mix. <G>

> Seriously though, he does know what he's doing.

Ok.

> What
> he's installing today will get the downdraft going nicely until spring
> then we are going to have to tear that wall apart and put insulation in
>

Bummer. BTDT. Owning a house can get expensive sometimes!

> Actually, we'll end up removing all the cabinets and re-doing two
> outside uninsulated walls.

You will make it up in power bills over time.

> We get really strong winds during the winter
> and had suspected the original main house walls were not insulated so
> this just confirms it. We are planning on bricking this year the
> outside so will do the necessary sealing and insulation then.

Rocking is cheaper, and prettier IMHO. ;-)
We are planning on doing some stone wainscotting outside the siding. If
I feel I can afford it, I'll rock the entire house in over time.

Limestone.

> Fire
> proofing isn't a real issue as our voluntary fire dept has never lost a
> foundation yet

<lol> That's not really funny ya know dear!!!!!!

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

> In article >,
> ~patches~ > wrote:
>
>
>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article >,
>>> ~patches~ > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>DH is hooking up the downdraft system for our range. We just discovered
>>>>that wall has *no* insulation. Not a really good thing to discover in
>>>>the middle of winter in Canada! Damn I hate that and old houses to boot
>>>>- sometimes! The only good thing is if everything goes well we should
>>>>be able to cook steak on the indoor grill tonight.
>>>
>>>
>>>Scary...
>>>
>>>so, are you going to insualte and fire proof it?
>>
>>Well let's see now. DH & I don't work well together for DIY projects so
>>despite my suggestions DH is doing it his way. He's currently talking to
>>himself while sipping bailey's & coffee while looking at a hole in the
>>outside wall.
>
>
> Oh Shi***. ;-)
> Not sure that fireproofing and booze mix. <G>
>
>>Seriously though, he does know what he's doing.
>
>
> Ok.


DH tends to be a perfectionist on these types of things. It works
out well as long as I just quietly hand him the tools and keep out of
his way. He usually does a really nice job.


>
>
>>What
>>he's installing today will get the downdraft going nicely until spring
>>then we are going to have to tear that wall apart and put insulation in
>>
>
>
> Bummer. BTDT. Owning a house can get expensive sometimes!

DH was ready to tear out the walls right now! I convinced him that
wasn't a really great idea. Home ownership is great but homes as we
have found out can be real money pits. We owned a turn of century, had
to re-do everything including plumbing and wiring house. We sold that
one for a nice sub-division do almost nothing but ended up hating the
neighbourhood. We sold that one for this one which has a grand view, on
the water, needs some work but not major work, has character, and great
location. I doubt we will move again.
>
>
>>Actually, we'll end up removing all the cabinets and re-doing two
>>outside uninsulated walls.
>
>
> You will make it up in power bills over time.

I'm am downright anal about caulking and sealing up the place. We
suspected the outside walls of the original main house were not
insulated. Now we know, we'll be insulating and sealing those.
>
>
>>We get really strong winds during the winter
>>and had suspected the original main house walls were not insulated so
>>this just confirms it. We are planning on bricking this year the
>>outside so will do the necessary sealing and insulation then.
>
>
> Rocking is cheaper, and prettier IMHO. ;-)
> We are planning on doing some stone wainscotting outside the siding. If
> I feel I can afford it, I'll rock the entire house in over time.

Rocking??? Now that sounds interesting and would really fit the design
of our house. I really hate the siding. It's so plain and does not do
justice to the inside of the house. The house itself is pretty cool
having been added on a few times but it does have very nice character
and the main living area is open concept.
>
> Limestone.
>
>
>>Fire
>>proofing isn't a real issue as our voluntary fire dept has never lost a
>>foundation yet
>
>
> <lol> That's not really funny ya know dear!!!!!!

Oh yeah but it is the standard joke here. The voluntary fire dept is
quite proud of their high standard
>
> Cheers!

In article >,
~patches~ > wrote:

> DH tends to be a perfectionist on these types of things. It works
> out well as long as I just quietly hand him the tools and keep out of
> his way. He usually does a really nice job.

Well, if you ever want to pass him on...... <lol>

>
> DH was ready to tear out the walls right now! I convinced him that
> wasn't a really great idea. Home ownership is great but homes as we
> have found out can be real money pits.

No kidding.
I've refinanced after paying off the morgage for serious home repairs.
:-P Needed to be done.

I know that, if I ever sell, I'd never EVER get out of it what I put
into it.

But, I do think the privacy and security are worth it. I never have to
worry about the apartment above me having someone who will start a
careless fire, or play loud sterios. Having close neighbors in the
'burbs is bad enough!

> We owned a turn of century, had
> to re-do everything including plumbing and wiring house. We sold that
> one for a nice sub-division do almost nothing but ended up hating the
> neighbourhood. We sold that one for this one which has a grand view, on
> the water, needs some work but not major work, has character, and great
> location. I doubt we will move again.

Whatever works. :-)

In the long run, owning is still probably cheaper than rent once the
morgage is paid off, AND you can do what you want to the property and
yard.

As long as you did not buy in a snobby "restricted" subdivision!

> >
> >
> >>Actually, we'll end up removing all the cabinets and re-doing two
> >>outside uninsulated walls.
> >
> >
> > You will make it up in power bills over time.
>
> I'm am downright anal about caulking and sealing up the place. We
> suspected the outside walls of the original main house were not
> insulated. Now we know, we'll be insulating and sealing those.

Good plan!
I re-insulated my attic as the "blown in" crap did not cover most of the
ceiling sheetrock! That is such a joke!

I went with the pink stuff in blankets, and covered over the duct work
as well when I added more insulation.

> >
> >
> >>We get really strong winds during the winter
> >>and had suspected the original main house walls were not insulated so
> >>this just confirms it. We are planning on bricking this year the
> >>outside so will do the necessary sealing and insulation then.
> >
> >
> > Rocking is cheaper, and prettier IMHO. ;-)
> > We are planning on doing some stone wainscotting outside the siding. If
> > I feel I can afford it, I'll rock the entire house in over time.
>
> Rocking??? Now that sounds interesting and would really fit the design
> of our house. I really hate the siding. It's so plain and does not do
> justice to the inside of the house. The house itself is pretty cool
> having been added on a few times but it does have very nice character
> and the main living area is open concept.
> >
> > Limestone.

I'll take pics when we are done. :-) Stone is usually more affordable
than bricks, and it's, well at least in my personal opinion, prettier.
Limestone can be cleaned off with an acid wash too if it gets stained.

The siding is pretty enough and will make it so I never have to paint
again, but it has it's share of problems. The stone skirt will solve
those. I may end up, later on when I have the $$$, rocking the entire
thing.

Talk about insulation! <lol>

> >
> >
> >>Fire
> >>proofing isn't a real issue as our voluntary fire dept has never lost a
> >>foundation yet
> >
> >
> > <lol> That's not really funny ya know dear!!!!!!
>
> Oh yeah but it is the standard joke here. The voluntary fire dept is
> quite proud of their high standard


;-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
>
> I know that, if I ever sell, I'd never EVER get out of it what I put
> into it.
>

Sure you will. If you did not do those repairs and upgrades, it may take a
long time to sell at a very low price. Houses need to be upgraded every so
often or they can decline in value.

In article >,
"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> >
> > I know that, if I ever sell, I'd never EVER get out of it what I put
> > into it.
> >
>
> Sure you will. If you did not do those repairs and upgrades, it may take a
> long time to sell at a very low price. Houses need to be upgraded every so
> often or they can decline in value.
>
>

Grant you that, but I refinanced for $50,000 for repairs and debt
consolidation. The original loan was only for $35.000 but with compound
interest, I'd already paid $75.000 by the time I paid it off.

With a 10 year loan and compound interest at my current interest rate,
I'll pay an additional $75.000 plus the $5,000 I'm fixin' to put into
the property for the retaining wall, privacy fence and wainscotting.
Not to mention piddly stuff like paint, ongoing landscaping, plumbing
and electrical repairs.......

And the interior still needs to be refinished again.

The value of the house and property in this area is only $80,000.

No way in hell can I get out of it what I've spent and will spend. ;-)
The refinance morgage has 6 years left.

But, I can subtract a hypothetical rental value of the 18 years I've
lived here.

It's ok............
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:11:58 -0500, ~patches~
> wrote:

>DH is hooking up the downdraft system for our range. We just discovered
>that wall has *no* insulation. Not a really good thing to discover in
>the middle of winter in Canada! Damn I hate that and old houses to boot
>- sometimes! The only good thing is if everything goes well we should
>be able to cook steak on the indoor grill tonight.

Downdraft... how does the venting go? Does a duct run from the bottom
of the stove up through the wall and out?

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:16:46 GMT, (Curly
Sue) wrote:

>On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:11:58 -0500, ~patches~
> wrote:
>
>>DH is hooking up the downdraft system for our range. We just discovered
<snip>
>Downdraft... how does the venting go? Does a duct run from the bottom
>of the stove up through the wall and out?
>
Nevermind- I saw your description in another subject.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

Curly Sue wrote:

> On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:11:58 -0500, ~patches~
> > wrote:
>
>
>>DH is hooking up the downdraft system for our range. We just discovered
>>that wall has *no* insulation. Not a really good thing to discover in
>>the middle of winter in Canada! Damn I hate that and old houses to boot
>>- sometimes! The only good thing is if everything goes well we should
>>be able to cook steak on the indoor grill tonight.
>
>
> Downdraft... how does the venting go? Does a duct run from the bottom
> of the stove up through the wall and out?
>
> Sue(tm)
> Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

I'm tempted to post a pic of DH installing this thing. You know where
the storage drawer is under a normal range? Under there there is this
huge blower system. That hooks to the range on one side then vents
outside. So the air comes from the top of the range in the middle, down
though a vent, into the blower, then outside.

"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
> DH is hooking up the downdraft system for our range. We
> just discovered that wall has *no* insulation. Not a
> really good thing to discover in the middle of winter in
> Canada! Damn I hate that and old houses to boot -
> sometimes! The only good thing is if everything goes well
> we should be able to cook steak on the indoor grill
> tonight.

I hope your's works better than mine did. I decided that
downdraft was not for me after our last place.

Insulation..... Oh, yeah, winter, cold, brrrrrr!

MoM