We have done rough in and ready to select a kitchen. This is all new
constuction.

I have looked at KraftMaid at 10,000., Kemper at 10,000. and
Aristocraft at 5,000. We are trying to look at apples for apples,
i.e. identical cabinet configuration.

What do you believe would make a good cabinet installation?

"Ward Abbott" > wrote in message
...
> We have done rough in and ready to select a kitchen. This is all new
> constuction.
>
> I have looked at KraftMaid at 10,000., Kemper at 10,000. and
> Aristocraft at 5,000. We are trying to look at apples for apples,
> i.e. identical cabinet configuration.
>
> What do you believe would make a good cabinet installation?

Are you talking about what to look for in a cabinet? I'm not sure
from what you said.

At any rate, Aristocraft sounded familiar so I looked at my
bathroom vanity, sure enough, that's what it is. It's okay quality,
nothing as good as my kitchen.

My kitchen cabinets are by some company named Diamond,
they are not very pricey and very nicely made. Don't cheap out
on the details, such as dovetailed drawers, etc.

Sorry if I misunderstood the question.

nancy

Ward Abbott wrote:
> We have done rough in and ready to select a kitchen. This is all new
> constuction.
>
> I have looked at KraftMaid at 10,000., Kemper at 10,000. and
> Aristocraft at 5,000. We are trying to look at apples for apples,
> i.e. identical cabinet configuration.
>
> What do you believe would make a good cabinet installation?
>
>


Lots and lots of pull-out drawers on the bottom. As you get older
it just isn't dignified (or EASY) to crawl around on your hands and
knees searching for pots, cans and packages that have gotten pushed to
the back of the cabinet. It's DARK in there, too!

When our daughter and son-in-law remodeled their kitchen in California,
one wall of cabinets was all drawers and it was wonderful.

gloria p

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:25:58 GMT, Ward Abbott wrote:

> We have done rough in and ready to select a kitchen. This is all new
> constuction.
>
> I have looked at KraftMaid at 10,000., Kemper at 10,000. and
> Aristocraft at 5,000. We are trying to look at apples for apples,
> i.e. identical cabinet configuration.
>
> What do you believe would make a good cabinet installation?
>
We bought American Woodmark (from Home Depot - dovetailed & self
closing drawers) for the family room kitchen area. We didn't pay
$10,000 - but you didn't give any context for how many and what kind
of cabinets you intend to buy for the money.

sf wrote:

> We bought American Woodmark (from Home Depot - dovetailed & self
> closing drawers) for the family room kitchen area. We didn't pay
> $10,000 - but you didn't give any context for how many and what kind
> of cabinets you intend to buy for the money.

We just redid a kitchen with American Woodmark too, so I can
vouch. Got em at home depot also.

--
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"Ward Abbott" > wrote in message
...
> We have done rough in and ready to select a kitchen. This is all new
> constuction.
>
> I have looked at KraftMaid at 10,000., Kemper at 10,000. and
> Aristocraft at 5,000. We are trying to look at apples for apples,
> i.e. identical cabinet configuration.
>
> What do you believe would make a good cabinet installation?
>
>

Definitely look at WodeMode if you can - very high quality.


--
Peter Aitken

Puester wrote:
>
>
> Lots and lots of pull-out drawers on the bottom. As you get older
> it just isn't dignified (or EASY) to crawl around on your hands and
> knees searching for pots, cans and packages that have gotten pushed to
> the back of the cabinet. It's DARK in there, too!
>
>
> gloria p


Absolutely agree about all the drawers and ease of getting into them.
Also consider lazy susan cabinets for any corners. I have one and just
love it as everything in that cabinet can be reached with just a spin.

itsjoannotjoann wrote:
> Puester wrote:
>>
>>
>> Lots and lots of pull-out drawers on the bottom. As you get older
>> it just isn't dignified (or EASY) to crawl around on your hands and
>> knees searching for pots, cans and packages that have gotten pushed
>> to the back of the cabinet. It's DARK in there, too!
>>
>>
>> gloria p
>
>
> Also consider lazy susan cabinets for any corners. I have one and
> just love it as everything in that cabinet can be reached with just a
> spin.

Definitely!! There was one of those in a house I rented and I loved it.
Had the builder not installed the lazy susan cabinet, there would have been
two very narrow 2 foot tall cabinets in its place - pretty useless. I had a
spice rack but of course had more spices than fit in it. I stored the
overflow in the lazy susan cabinet along with bottled stuff I didn't want
sitting on the counter; Worcestershire, soy sauce, stuff like that. Also
the box of cornstarch and anything else I accessed on a regular basis while
in the middle of cooking. As you said, just a spin and there it is.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> itsjoannotjoann wrote:
>> Puester wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Lots and lots of pull-out drawers on the bottom. As you get older
>>> it just isn't dignified (or EASY) to crawl around on your hands and
>>> knees searching for pots, cans and packages that have gotten pushed
>>> to the back of the cabinet. It's DARK in there, too!
>>>
>>>
>>> gloria p
>>
>>
>> Also consider lazy susan cabinets for any corners. I have one and
>> just love it as everything in that cabinet can be reached with just a
>> spin.
>
> Definitely!! There was one of those in a house I rented and I loved it.
> Had the builder not installed the lazy susan cabinet, there would have
> been
> two very narrow 2 foot tall cabinets in its place - pretty useless. I had
> a
> spice rack but of course had more spices than fit in it. I stored the
> overflow in the lazy susan cabinet along with bottled stuff I didn't want
> sitting on the counter; Worcestershire, soy sauce, stuff like that. Also
> the box of cornstarch and anything else I accessed on a regular basis
> while
> in the middle of cooking. As you said, just a spin and there it is.
>
> Jill
>
We're moving in a week and one of the first things I want to do is change
the kitchen.

Here's where you can see pictures of my new place's kitchen and the last
picture is the one I'm leaving behind. That was all set up for me.

http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hmp...=/af3b&.src=ph

I want lighter cabinets like my present kitchen, lots of pot drawers and as
you mentioned a lazy suzan.

MoM

On 14 Sep 2005 07:06:52 -0700, itsjoannotjoann wrote:

>
> Puester wrote:
> >
> >
> > Lots and lots of pull-out drawers on the bottom. As you get older
> > it just isn't dignified (or EASY) to crawl around on your hands and
> > knees searching for pots, cans and packages that have gotten pushed to
> > the back of the cabinet. It's DARK in there, too!
> >
> >
> > gloria p
>
>
> Absolutely agree about all the drawers and ease of getting into them.
> Also consider lazy susan cabinets for any corners. I have one and just
> love it as everything in that cabinet can be reached with just a spin.

Here is a new lazy susan configuration now that is a "spinner" but not
a full circle as we tend to think of for lazy susan. Now it's a
corner that spins out and quite frankly, it's better than the old
model. At first it looks like a pie shaped wedge is cut out and it is
no big deal, but when it swings - out the contents are much nearer to
you than they would be on an ordinary lazy susan.

http://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalo...hp?p_ref=21593
<don't ask me to interpret the graphic>

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:00:08 GMT, Peter Aitken wrote:

> Definitely look at WodeMode if you can - very high quality.


??? Is that WoodMode?

Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these great (and sometimes not
so great) words of knowledge:
> We have done rough in and ready to select a kitchen. This is all new
> constuction.
>
> I have looked at KraftMaid at 10,000., Kemper at 10,000. and
> Aristocraft at 5,000. We are trying to look at apples for apples,
> i.e. identical cabinet configuration.
>
> What do you believe would make a good cabinet installation?
>
>

Stay away from particle board and composition board. They are going to
warp, sag and/or delaminate in a couple of years.

You want a solid wood cabinet. I mean everything - sides, top, doors,
shelves, etc. A very good, less pricey alternative is 5 ply (or more
plys ) plywood with a 1/16" (or more ) solid wood veneer on all the
surfaces including the edges. Stay away from the paper/plastic veneer
no matter what they tell you.

The solid wood (or solid wood veneer ) will allow you to use
conventional cleaning products and, if you ever decide to change the
appearance of the cabinets, wood is relatively easy to strip and refinish.

"Ted Campanelli" > wrote in message
news
> Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these great (and sometimes not so
> great) words of knowledge:
>> We have done rough in and ready to select a kitchen. This is all new
>> constuction. I have looked at KraftMaid at 10,000., Kemper at 10,000.
>> and
>> Aristocraft at 5,000. We are trying to look at apples for apples,
>> i.e. identical cabinet configuration. What do you believe would make a
>> good cabinet installation?
>
> Stay away from particle board and composition board. They are going to
> warp, sag and/or delaminate in a couple of years.
>
> You want a solid wood cabinet. I mean everything - sides, top, doors,
> shelves, etc. A very good, less pricey alternative is 5 ply (or more
> plys ) plywood with a 1/16" (or more ) solid wood veneer on all the
> surfaces including the edges. Stay away from the paper/plastic veneer no
> matter what they tell you.
>
> The solid wood (or solid wood veneer ) will allow you to use conventional
> cleaning products and, if you ever decide to change the appearance of the
> cabinets, wood is relatively easy to strip and refinish.

Whoa! The cost of solid wood probably will be exhorbitant in today's world.
Even if you had a carpenter do it for you, after seeing the looks of the
warped woods in the lumber companies' yards (and inside their buildings), I
would even hesitate on getting solid wood there.

I really detest the particle boards, but when we moved into our house in
1993 (built 1970's), one 12x14 room was made into storage, top to bottom
shelves using particle board. It is pretty thick and only one shelf has
swayed (for what reason I have no idea). I'm pretty sensitive to odors and
will hesitate to buy any furniture made of particle board (but this particle
board must've gassed out [probably is still gassing, but I can't smell it]).
Dee Dee

"Ted Campanelli" > wrote in message
news
> Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these great (and sometimes not so
> great) words of knowledge:
>> We have done rough in and ready to select a kitchen. This is all new
>> constuction. I have looked at KraftMaid at 10,000., Kemper at 10,000.
>> and
>> Aristocraft at 5,000. We are trying to look at apples for apples,
>> i.e. identical cabinet configuration. What do you believe would make a
>> good cabinet installation?
>
> Stay away from particle board and composition board. They are going to
> warp, sag and/or delaminate in a couple of years.
>
> You want a solid wood cabinet. I mean everything - sides, top, doors,
> shelves, etc. A very good, less pricey alternative is 5 ply (or more
> plys ) plywood with a 1/16" (or more ) solid wood veneer on all the
> surfaces including the edges. Stay away from the paper/plastic veneer no
> matter what they tell you.
>
> The solid wood (or solid wood veneer ) will allow you to use conventional
> cleaning products and, if you ever decide to change the appearance of the
> cabinets, wood is relatively easy to strip and refinish.

I really think this is bad advice. Composites are not bad in and of
themselves - yes some cheap cabinets use cheap composites and you are likely
to have problems. High quality composites however are excellent. They are
warp free, very strong, completely waterproof, and better than real wood in
some applications where physical strength and stability are more important
than appearance. Once covered with wood veneer you can have an excellent
cabinet that will last for decades. Cabinets made of all real wood can be
fine too - my point is not to reject cabinets just because they use
composites.


--
Peter Aitken

Ward Abbott > wrote in
:

> We have done rough in and ready to select a kitchen. This is all new
> constuction.
>
> I have looked at KraftMaid at 10,000., Kemper at 10,000. and
> Aristocraft at 5,000. We are trying to look at apples for apples,
> i.e. identical cabinet configuration.
>
> What do you believe would make a good cabinet installation?

I have done two kitchens in the past five years - one was Kemper and the
other was Diamond (sold through Lowes). I found out that both brands are
owned by the same company, MasterBrand, I think. That explained why the
features and quality lines were so similar and why I was drawn to them. I
bought the middle quality line in each brand and am quite satisfied with
the quality of construction and finish. I would buy either of these brands
again.

Dee

Ward Abbott wrote:

> We have done rough in and ready to select a kitchen. This is all new
> constuction.
>
> I have looked at KraftMaid at 10,000., Kemper at 10,000. and
> Aristocraft at 5,000. We are trying to look at apples for apples,
> i.e. identical cabinet configuration.
>
> What do you believe would make a good cabinet installation?

Shop around and visit the local kitchen cupboard companies. When I did my
kitchen I found local company that offered solid oak frames and inserts
for about 75% the best price I had found for veneered cupboards. Unlike
the other places which charged an extra 30% for installation, this
company's prices included installation. We arranged a date, I tore out
the old cupboards to nights before the scheduled installation date and
constructed the bulkhead. The installation grew arrived promptly,
installed everything properly and were finished before noon. All I had to
do was to cut the whole for the sink and install that.

On 21 Sep 2005 17:35:22 -0400, Dee wrote:

> I have done two kitchens in the past five years

Why?

sf wrote on 21 Sep 2005 in rec.food.cooking

> On 21 Sep 2005 17:35:22 -0400, Dee wrote:
>
> > I have done two kitchens in the past five years
>
> Why?
>

Forgot to add water?

--
The eyes are the mirrors....
But the ears...Ah the ears.
The ears keep the hat up.

sf > wrote in :

> On 21 Sep 2005 17:35:22 -0400, Dee wrote:
>
>> I have done two kitchens in the past five years
>
> Why?

I did my main house and also a rental house I owned.

Dee

"Dee" > wrote

> I have done two kitchens in the past five years - one was Kemper and the
> other was Diamond (sold through Lowes). I found out that both brands are
> owned by the same company, MasterBrand, I think.

That's so funny to me ... I bought my cabinets from a place I'd
never have thought I would ... a sort of second rate hardware place.
I just fell in love with those cabinets ... the ones I finally sprung for
years later. Diamond brand, what the heck is that? Yes, they are
nicely made, and I really am happy to find out their parent company.
Thanks for the info. Also that I can find it at Lowes (the place where
I got my cabinets has gone belly up, like all of them did) and I'd like
to replace my bathroom vanity to match my kitchen cabinets.

nancy