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Live 8 Philly, invitation!
For any RFC members, I'll be down in Philly for Live 8. Granted it's going
to be crowded but if you see a tall galoot wearing a banana-yellow long- sleeve shirt, with khaki cargo slacks, blue neck-cooler and a cheap-o straw hillbilly hat toting a tall unipod with a digicam on it and a yellow hydropack dangling about thigh-high, holler at me. I'd love to meet you and take pictures! How many minutes of f(r)ame have ya got left?!?!  See you there, by Logan Square! -- Andy http://tinyurl.com/bczgr |
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Andy wrote:
>> For any RFC members, I'll be down in Philly for Live 8. Granted it's >> going to be crowded but if you see a tall galoot wearing a >> banana-yellow long- sleeve shirt, with khaki cargo slacks, blue >> neck-cooler and a cheap-o straw hillbilly hat toting a tall unipod >> with a digicam on it and a yellow hydropack dangling about >> thigh-high, holler at me. >> >> I'd love to meet you and take pictures! How many minutes of f(r)ame >> have ya got left?!?! >> Are you sure you will be allowed take a camera in with you? I'm pretty sure that in Canada you can't. Backpacks aren't allowed, chairs, cameras, even opened drinks aren't allowed. People are allowed to bring in 1 bottle of water that is still sealed. Debbie |
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"Debbie" > wrote: > Andy wrote: > >> For any RFC members, I'll be down in Philly for Live 8. Granted it's > >> going to be crowded but if you see a tall galoot wearing a > >> banana-yellow long- sleeve shirt, with khaki cargo slacks, blue > >> neck-cooler and a cheap-o straw hillbilly hat toting a tall unipod > >> with a digicam on it and a yellow hydropack dangling about > >> thigh-high, holler at me. > >> > >> I'd love to meet you and take pictures! How many minutes of f(r)ame > >> have ya got left?!?! > >> > > Are you sure you will be allowed take a camera in with you? I'm pretty sure > that in Canada you can't. Backpacks aren't allowed, chairs, cameras, even > opened drinks aren't allowed. People are allowed to bring in 1 bottle of > water that is still sealed. Hello all! I near where the Live 8 concert will be held in Philadelphia. The FAQ at http://www.nbc10.com/news/4664263/detail.html says that cameras, chairs, food, and nonalcoholic beverages are allowed. Alcohol, umbrellas, and controlled substances are not permitted, but that's not a surprise! Andy, I will be at Live 8 with a friend. Feel free to email me if you want to meet up with my friend and me. My friend and I plan to arrive at the concert around noon. The entire reason we are going is to take photos because we figure it will be an historic event that may never happen again in our lifetime. We figured we would record some of festivities on digital film for posterity. By the way, do not try to drive to the concert; traffic will be a major nightmare in the city on Saturday. The area surrounding the Ben Franklin Parkway will be closed off to automobile traffic. I plan to take public transit, and you should too. If you are not familiar with the Center City area, feel free to email me and I can give you some tips to get around. A tip, I heard on the radio this morning is to buy your SEPTA passes or tokens for your entire day before the concert starts. I did this today. |
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Stan Horwitz wrote:
>> In article >, >> "Debbie" > wrote: >> >>> Andy wrote: >>>>> For any RFC members, I'll be down in Philly for Live 8. Granted >>>>> it's going to be crowded but if you see a tall galoot wearing a >>>>> banana-yellow long- sleeve shirt, with khaki cargo slacks, blue >>>>> neck-cooler and a cheap-o straw hillbilly hat toting a tall unipod >>>>> with a digicam on it and a yellow hydropack dangling about >>>>> thigh-high, holler at me. >>>>> >>>>> I'd love to meet you and take pictures! How many minutes of >>>>> f(r)ame have ya got left?!?! >>>>> >>> >>> Are you sure you will be allowed take a camera in with you? I'm >>> pretty sure that in Canada you can't. Backpacks aren't allowed, >>> chairs, cameras, even opened drinks aren't allowed. People are >>> allowed to bring in 1 bottle of water that is still sealed. >> >> Hello all! I near where the Live 8 concert will be held in >> Philadelphia. The FAQ at >> http://www.nbc10.com/news/4664263/detail.html says that cameras, >> chairs, food, and nonalcoholic beverages are allowed. Alcohol, >> umbrellas, and controlled substances are not permitted, but that's >> not a surprise! >> Here are the Live 8 Barrie Rules. Pretty rigid. I see back packs are allowed. I was trying from memory earlier.. not a good thing. :-) By the looks of it, as long as the camera isn't a professional one it can come in too, although I doubt the tripod would be allowed. For the safety of all attending Live 8 the following items are not allowed into Park Place: - no umbrellas or lawn chairs - no professional cameras, videos or audio recording devices - no alcohol, cans or bottles or hard sided coolers - no object that can be used as a projectile - no re-entry once you are in the park. Bring your sunscreen - 1 sealed bottle of water of any size is allowed - back packs with a change of clothes and blankets are allowed - bank machines will be on site I am betting that many Canadians would like to at least be allowed a chair. Debbie |
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"Debbie" > wrote in
: > Stan Horwitz wrote: >>> In article >, >>> "Debbie" > wrote: >>> >>>> Andy wrote: >>>>>> For any RFC members, I'll be down in Philly for Live 8. Granted >>>>>> it's going to be crowded but if you see a tall galoot wearing a >>>>>> banana-yellow long- sleeve shirt, with khaki cargo slacks, blue >>>>>> neck-cooler and a cheap-o straw hillbilly hat toting a tall >>>>>> unipod with a digicam on it and a yellow hydropack dangling about >>>>>> thigh-high, holler at me. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd love to meet you and take pictures! How many minutes of >>>>>> f(r)ame have ya got left?!?! >>>>>> >>>> >>>> Are you sure you will be allowed take a camera in with you? I'm >>>> pretty sure that in Canada you can't. Backpacks aren't allowed, >>>> chairs, cameras, even opened drinks aren't allowed. People are >>>> allowed to bring in 1 bottle of water that is still sealed. >>> >>> Hello all! I near where the Live 8 concert will be held in >>> Philadelphia. The FAQ at >>> http://www.nbc10.com/news/4664263/detail.html says that cameras, >>> chairs, food, and nonalcoholic beverages are allowed. Alcohol, >>> umbrellas, and controlled substances are not permitted, but that's >>> not a surprise! >>> > > Here are the Live 8 Barrie Rules. Pretty rigid. I see back packs are > allowed. I was trying from memory earlier.. not a good thing. :-) By > the looks of it, as long as the camera isn't a professional one it can > come in too, although I doubt the tripod would be allowed. > > For the safety of all attending Live 8 the following items are not > allowed into Park Place: > > - no umbrellas or lawn chairs > - no professional cameras, videos or audio recording devices > - no alcohol, cans or bottles or hard sided coolers > - no object that can be used as a projectile > - no re-entry once you are in the park. > Debbie Pure Kreative BS!!!! It's a free "Dancing in the Street" concert in Philly for "1,000,000" people. There are no security queues. The police will be there strictly to keep the peace. You really don't want to **** off the public at a "world-stage" event!!! Imho, -- Andy http://tinyurl.com/bczgr |
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In article >,
"Debbie" > wrote: > Stan Horwitz wrote: > >> In article >, > >> "Debbie" > wrote: > >> > >>> Andy wrote: > >>>>> For any RFC members, I'll be down in Philly for Live 8. Granted > >>>>> it's going to be crowded but if you see a tall galoot wearing a > >>>>> banana-yellow long- sleeve shirt, with khaki cargo slacks, blue > >>>>> neck-cooler and a cheap-o straw hillbilly hat toting a tall unipod > >>>>> with a digicam on it and a yellow hydropack dangling about > >>>>> thigh-high, holler at me. > >>>>> > >>>>> I'd love to meet you and take pictures! How many minutes of > >>>>> f(r)ame have ya got left?!?! > >>>>> > >>> > >>> Are you sure you will be allowed take a camera in with you? I'm > >>> pretty sure that in Canada you can't. Backpacks aren't allowed, > >>> chairs, cameras, even opened drinks aren't allowed. People are > >>> allowed to bring in 1 bottle of water that is still sealed. > >> > >> Hello all! I near where the Live 8 concert will be held in > >> Philadelphia. The FAQ at > >> http://www.nbc10.com/news/4664263/detail.html says that cameras, > >> chairs, food, and nonalcoholic beverages are allowed. Alcohol, > >> umbrellas, and controlled substances are not permitted, but that's > >> not a surprise! > >> > > Here are the Live 8 Barrie Rules. Pretty rigid. I see back packs are > allowed. I was trying from memory earlier.. not a good thing. :-) By the > looks of it, as long as the camera isn't a professional one it can come in > too, although I doubt the tripod would be allowed. > > For the safety of all attending Live 8 the following items are not allowed > into Park Place: > > - no umbrellas or lawn chairs > - no professional cameras, videos or audio recording devices > - no alcohol, cans or bottles or hard sided coolers > - no object that can be used as a projectile > - no re-entry once you are in the park. > > Bring your sunscreen > - 1 sealed bottle of water of any size is allowed > - back packs with a change of clothes and blankets are allowed > - bank machines will be on site Geez! No cameras, video, or recording devices? How in the world can that policy be enforced with hundreds of thousands of people attending the concert? No lawn chairs? What? Do the officials there expect people to sit on the ground the entire time? I guess so. |
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Stan Horwitz > wrote in
: > In article >, > "Debbie" > wrote: > >> Stan Horwitz wrote: >> >> In article >, >> >> "Debbie" > wrote: >> >> >> >>> Andy wrote: >> >>>>> For any RFC members, I'll be down in Philly for Live 8. Granted >> >>>>> it's going to be crowded but if you see a tall galoot wearing a >> >>>>> banana-yellow long- sleeve shirt, with khaki cargo slacks, blue >> >>>>> neck-cooler and a cheap-o straw hillbilly hat toting a tall >> >>>>> unipod with a digicam on it and a yellow hydropack dangling >> >>>>> about thigh-high, holler at me. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I'd love to meet you and take pictures! How many minutes of >> >>>>> f(r)ame have ya got left?!?! >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>> Are you sure you will be allowed take a camera in with you? I'm >> >>> pretty sure that in Canada you can't. Backpacks aren't allowed, >> >>> chairs, cameras, even opened drinks aren't allowed. People are >> >>> allowed to bring in 1 bottle of water that is still sealed. >> >> >> >> Hello all! I near where the Live 8 concert will be held in >> >> Philadelphia. The FAQ at >> >> http://www.nbc10.com/news/4664263/detail.html says that cameras, >> >> chairs, food, and nonalcoholic beverages are allowed. Alcohol, >> >> umbrellas, and controlled substances are not permitted, but that's >> >> not a surprise! >> >> >> >> Here are the Live 8 Barrie Rules. Pretty rigid. I see back packs >> are allowed. I was trying from memory earlier.. not a good thing. >> :-) By the looks of it, as long as the camera isn't a professional >> one it can come in too, although I doubt the tripod would be allowed. >> >> For the safety of all attending Live 8 the following items are not >> allowed into Park Place: >> >> - no umbrellas or lawn chairs >> - no professional cameras, videos or audio recording devices >> - no alcohol, cans or bottles or hard sided coolers >> - no object that can be used as a projectile >> - no re-entry once you are in the park. >> >> Bring your sunscreen >> - 1 sealed bottle of water of any size is allowed >> - back packs with a change of clothes and blankets are allowed >> - bank machines will be on site > > Geez! No cameras, video, or recording devices? How in the world can > that policy be enforced with hundreds of thousands of people attending > the concert? No lawn chairs? What? Do the officials there expect > people to sit on the ground the entire time? I guess so. Park Place, in Canada, only holds about 35,000 people. Read about the large "Grow-op" marijuana bust last year across the street. Bring your own bongs?!!! Philly is a street event on the Benjamin Franklin Parkway, stanged at the Art Museum (Rocky's victory dance ring a bell?) and adjoining streets. Only problem is if 1,000,000 actually show up, MAYBE 200,000 will be able to see and hear the show, even with the jumbotrons and speakers. It's a fairly treelined area. I hope the jumbotrons show the other world stages (obviously without music). All things considered, I'd rather be in London. Sorry, W.C. Fields! The talent there more matches my musical taste, but what's a mother to do?  -- Andy http://tinyurl.com/bczgr |
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Andy who should learn to trim his posts wrote: > Philly is a street event on the Benjamin Franklin Parkway, stanged at the > Art Museum (Rocky's victory dance ring a bell?) and adjoining streets. > Only problem is if 1,000,000 actually show up, MAYBE 200,000 will be able > to see and hear the show, even with the jumbotrons and speakers. It's a > fairly treelined area. What on earth are you fools doing throwing even *more* money at Africa? It'll only end up in some dictator's pocket (thence to a Swiss bank account or an arms dealer). -- Best Greg |
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Stan Horwitz wrote:
>> In article >, >> "Debbie" > wrote: >> >>> Stan Horwitz wrote: >>>>> In article >, >>>>> "Debbie" > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Andy wrote: >>>>>>>> For any RFC members, I'll be down in Philly for Live 8. Granted >>>>>>>> it's going to be crowded but if you see a tall galoot wearing a >>>>>>>> banana-yellow long- sleeve shirt, with khaki cargo slacks, blue >>>>>>>> neck-cooler and a cheap-o straw hillbilly hat toting a tall >>>>>>>> unipod with a digicam on it and a yellow hydropack dangling >>>>>>>> about thigh-high, holler at me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd love to meet you and take pictures! How many minutes of >>>>>>>> f(r)ame have ya got left?!?! >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you sure you will be allowed take a camera in with you? I'm >>>>>> pretty sure that in Canada you can't. Backpacks aren't allowed, >>>>>> chairs, cameras, even opened drinks aren't allowed. People are >>>>>> allowed to bring in 1 bottle of water that is still sealed. >>>>> >>>>> Hello all! I near where the Live 8 concert will be held in >>>>> Philadelphia. The FAQ at >>>>> http://www.nbc10.com/news/4664263/detail.html says that cameras, >>>>> chairs, food, and nonalcoholic beverages are allowed. Alcohol, >>>>> umbrellas, and controlled substances are not permitted, but that's >>>>> not a surprise! >>>>> >>> >>> Here are the Live 8 Barrie Rules. Pretty rigid. I see back packs >>> are allowed. I was trying from memory earlier.. not a good thing. >>> :-) By the looks of it, as long as the camera isn't a professional >>> one it can come in too, although I doubt the tripod would be >>> allowed. >>> >>> For the safety of all attending Live 8 the following items are not >>> allowed into Park Place: >>> >>> - no umbrellas or lawn chairs >>> - no professional cameras, videos or audio recording devices >>> - no alcohol, cans or bottles or hard sided coolers >>> - no object that can be used as a projectile >>> - no re-entry once you are in the park. >>> >>> Bring your sunscreen >>> - 1 sealed bottle of water of any size is allowed >>> - back packs with a change of clothes and blankets are allowed >>> - bank machines will be on site >> >> Geez! No cameras, video, or recording devices? How in the world can >> that policy be enforced with hundreds of thousands of people >> attending the concert? No lawn chairs? What? Do the officials there >> expect people to sit on the ground the entire time? I guess so. There are bank machines.. maybe they will be selling chairs. :-) Debbie |
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Andy wrote:
>> "Debbie" > wrote in >> : >> >>> Stan Horwitz wrote: >>>>> In article >, >>>>> "Debbie" > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Andy wrote: >>>>>>>> For any RFC members, I'll be down in Philly for Live 8. Granted >>>>>>>> it's going to be crowded but if you see a tall galoot wearing a >>>>>>>> banana-yellow long- sleeve shirt, with khaki cargo slacks, blue >>>>>>>> neck-cooler and a cheap-o straw hillbilly hat toting a tall >>>>>>>> unipod with a digicam on it and a yellow hydropack dangling >>>>>>>> about thigh-high, holler at me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd love to meet you and take pictures! How many minutes of >>>>>>>> f(r)ame have ya got left?!?! >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you sure you will be allowed take a camera in with you? I'm >>>>>> pretty sure that in Canada you can't. Backpacks aren't allowed, >>>>>> chairs, cameras, even opened drinks aren't allowed. People are >>>>>> allowed to bring in 1 bottle of water that is still sealed. >>>>> >>>>> Hello all! I near where the Live 8 concert will be held in >>>>> Philadelphia. The FAQ at >>>>> http://www.nbc10.com/news/4664263/detail.html says that cameras, >>>>> chairs, food, and nonalcoholic beverages are allowed. Alcohol, >>>>> umbrellas, and controlled substances are not permitted, but that's >>>>> not a surprise! >>>>> >>> >>> Here are the Live 8 Barrie Rules. Pretty rigid. I see back packs >>> are allowed. I was trying from memory earlier.. not a good thing. >>> :-) By the looks of it, as long as the camera isn't a professional >>> one it can come in too, although I doubt the tripod would be >>> allowed. >>> >>> For the safety of all attending Live 8 the following items are not >>> allowed into Park Place: >>> >>> - no umbrellas or lawn chairs >>> - no professional cameras, videos or audio recording devices >>> - no alcohol, cans or bottles or hard sided coolers >>> - no object that can be used as a projectile >>> - no re-entry once you are in the park. >> >>> Debbie >> >> Pure Kreative BS!!!! >> >> It's a free "Dancing in the Street" concert in Philly for "1,000,000" >> people. There are no security queues. The police will be there >> strictly to keep the peace. You really don't want to **** off the >> public at a "world-stage" event!!! >> Anyone going to this event must have a ticket. They were offered through ticket master and people needed to answer a trivia question correctly to get them. There were a maximum of 4 per call I think I read. The tickets were gone in 20 minutes. Although the concert is free.. there will be a lot of vendors there making a good dollar. If this weather keeps up.. the water sales alone will make any vendors day. Debbie |
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> >Andy who should learn to trim his posts wrote: > >> Philly is a street event on the Benjamin Franklin Parkway, stanged at the >> Art Museum (Rocky's victory dance ring a bell?) and adjoining streets. >> Only problem is if 1,000,000 actually show up, MAYBE 200,000 will be able >> to see and hear the show, even with the jumbotrons and speakers. It's a >> fairly treelined area. > They'd better come early, 'caus downtown Philly only has parking for fifty. ;o( <rj> |
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"<RJ>" > wrote in
: > They'd better come early, > 'caus downtown Philly only has parking for fifty. ;o( > > <rj> Parking is the least of the worries. Gridlock is going to be terrible!!! Folks driving into Philly who don't know where they're going, etc. YIKES! Not to mention the crush of people cramming into the three center city rail stations to go home after the show. It's simple math. My train into Philly has a max of 5 cars. 15 rows of 5 seats per car. That's 350 seated and maybe 200 standing travelers. 550 per train, running a normal weekend schedule (one train an hour). Of those "1,000,000" people, if ONLY 10,000 people are going MY way, it's still going to take days to get 'em outta town. It's going to be dancing and mayhem in the streets of Philadelphia tomorrow. And I'll have a few photos and sound bytes of it. -- Andy http://tinyurl.com/bczgr |
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Andy who needs to trim his posts wrote: > It's going to be dancing and mayhem in the streets of Philadelphia > tomorrow. And I'll have a few photos and sound bytes of it. > All to absolutely NO effect you silly cretin... -- Best Greg |
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On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 02:39:36 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
<gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote: > >Andy who needs to trim his posts wrote: > >> It's going to be dancing and mayhem in the streets of Philadelphia >> tomorrow. And I'll have a few photos and sound bytes of it. >> > > >All to absolutely NO effect you silly cretin... > True. But it will be a big fun event for those who go. Sue(tm) Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself! |
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I thought about quoting a post, and, then just decided not to. The topic says it all. So very little of the money raised in the name of this project, has actually gotten to the people who need it. They give it to govenments who immediately send it to their Swiss or other European bank accounts, in their own personal name, and, not much goes to the people it was intented for. It's really sad!! |
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Gregory Morrow wrote:
> What on earth are you fools doing throwing even *more* money at Africa? > It'll only end up in some dictator's pocket (thence to a Swiss bank account > or an arms dealer). > Sad, but true. There has been a lot of money pumped in to that continent, but things never seem to get better. The leaders and their inner circles live high on the high on the hog. A prime example is the $35 million jet ordered by Uganda's president while aid was being considered for his country. There certainly seems to be no shortage of arms and ammunition for some of those countries. |
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"Dave Smith" > wrote in message > Sad, but true. There has been a lot of money pumped in to that continent, > but > things never seem to get better. Not true. My friend, Osma Botwanily of Nigeria is trying to help. Right now his money it tied up by the government and I'm going to help him get it free. He recently emailed my and it is my duty to assist him. This will have a profound effect once the money is transferred to my account. |
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"Curly Sue" > wrote in message > > True. But it will be a big fun event for those who go. > Not for me. I cannot imaging trying to get near the place with those crowds. Where do you even pee? this sort of thing becomes more important as we get older. |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message m... > > "Dave Smith" > wrote in message > >> Sad, but true. There has been a lot of money pumped in to that >> continent, but >> things never seem to get better. > > Not true. My friend, Osma Botwanily of Nigeria is trying to help. > Right now his money it tied up by the government and I'm going to help > him get it free. He recently emailed my and it is my duty to assist > him. This will have a profound effect once the money is transferred > to my account. <G> |
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dee wrote:
>> I thought about quoting a post, and, then just decided not to. The >> topic says it all. So very little of the money raised in the name of >> this project, has actually gotten to the people who need it. Which is why this isnt' about raising money. The live 8 is about encouraging the richer countries to level the trading field, forgive debts, and assist in more meaningful ways. Debbie |
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On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:24:30 -0400, "Debbie" >
wrote: >Which is why this isnt' about raising money. The live 8 is about >encouraging the richer countries to level the trading field, forgive debts, >and assist in more meaningful ways. > >Debbie When will Africa improve? The US already does more than its' share. $19 billion to Worldwide Developement Assistance, $ 3.2 billion to Africa alone in 2004. An increase to $2.4 billion in 2004 for global hiv/aids again a large chunk going to Africa. That's more than all the other donor nations combined. $9.1 billion in humanitarian relief went out in 2004 alone. We import $604 billion in trade from developing countries duty/tarif free. 97% of the imports from Africa come in duty free. Trade with Africa has increased by 37%. In 99 Clinton directed that 100% of debt to us be written off from 83 countries many in Africa. So far under Bush we have written off $40 billion in african debt. That's several 100s of billion that never go into our economy to improve things or pay for programs. It's time for the other countries to step up and stop talking and do something too. |
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day dreamer@dream .com@ wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:24:30 -0400, "Debbie" > >> wrote: >> >>> Which is why this isnt' about raising money. The live 8 is about >>> encouraging the richer countries to level the trading field, >>> forgive debts, and assist in more meaningful ways. >>> >>> Debbie >> When will Africa improve? >> >> The US already does more than its' share. You know.. it is time for everyone to stop yapping about what they do. They thing is that everyone needs to help.. and to keep helping and not get discouraged. By not helping we are letting millions of people die... allowing countries to be in such unrest that they become fertile ground for terrorist camps etc. We can sit back and do nothing (or nothing more as the case may be) and then perhaps in a few years complain about these countries as being the place that the terrorists are coming from. OR, we can encourage our governments to step in and help these countries change. It is truly sad seeing children die by the hundreds. This is my last word on the subject.. wrong newsgroup for this discussion and not interested in watching it deteriorate into flames. These are my opinions only.. yours may be different. Debbie |
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Debbie wrote:
> You know.. it is time for everyone to stop yapping about what they do. > They [sic] thing is that everyone needs to help.. and to keep helping > and not get discouraged. By not helping we are letting millions of > people die... ....and Atlas shrugged. Since when does "need" mean the same thing as "entitlement"? Bob |
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"Debbie" > wrote:
>dee wrote: >>> I thought about quoting a post, and, then just decided not to. The >>> topic says it all. So very little of the money raised in the name of >>> this project, has actually gotten to the people who need it. > >Which is why this isnt' about raising money. The live 8 is about >encouraging the richer countries to level the trading field, forgive debts, >and assist in more meaningful ways. Gee, I wish the bank would do that for me. Why should we level the trading field and so on, only to funnel millions into the coffers of murdering dictators. How could we possibly have meaningful trade, even if the leaders weren't corrupt? It would only be Nafta times a thousand. It's a shame there isn't a way to do something helpful, but I just don't see how it can be done. And when the debt is forgiven, it will soon mount again to record levels. It's a problem with no solution, and funneling more trillions into it is not going to fix it. -- The Doc says my brain waves closely match those of a crazed ferret. At least now I have an excuse. |
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Debbie wrote:
> You know.. it is time for everyone to stop yapping about what they do. They > thing is that everyone needs to help.. and to keep helping and not get > discouraged. By not helping we are letting millions of people die... > allowing countries to be in such unrest that they become fertile ground for > terrorist camps etc. We can sit back and do nothing (or nothing more as the > case may be) and then perhaps in a few years complain about these countries > as being the place that the terrorists are coming from. OR, we can > encourage our governments to step in and help these countries change. It is > truly sad seeing children die by the hundreds. This is my last word on the > subject.. wrong newsgroup for this discussion and not interested in watching > it deteriorate into flames. These are my opinions only.. yours may be > different. You are welcome to your opinion. I am stuck between not giving a damn and insisting on aid with a lot of strings attached. The African countries with the best conditions now are those that have lots of oil and those which were well established and heavily settled British colonies. Perhaps they need outside guidance to led into economic viability. Maybe the western countries should over various countries colonial or protectorate status, move in some well trained people to administer their African holdings and become responsible for the administration of any aid offered. Let's face the fact that the money we have been sending for years has been squandered by the leaders. Rather than fight colonial wars to protect them, bail out at the first sign of trouble and leave the people to make it on their own. |
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day, dreamer@dream, .com@ wrote:
> When will Africa improve? > > The US already does more than its' share. Despite my feelings that our present system of aid to Africa is a waste of money, I have to disagree with your suggestion that the US does more than its fair share. While it is true that the amount of aid from the US is large, the US is a very wealthy country and has a large population. The problem is that the per capita contribution is pitifully small when compared to western European countries. > So far under Bush we have written off $40 billion in african debt. > That's several 100s of billion that never go into our economy to > improve things or pay for programs. > It's time for the other countries to step up and stop talking and do > something too. Be careful of what you ask for. As an American, you may be in a better position to contribute than Europeans. In order to match the per capita contribution from most European countries, you'd be paying 10 times as much. |
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On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:24:30 -0400, "Debbie" >
wrote: >dee wrote: >>> I thought about quoting a post, and, then just decided not to. The >>> topic says it all. So very little of the money raised in the name of >>> this project, has actually gotten to the people who need it. > >Which is why this isnt' about raising money. The live 8 is about >encouraging the richer countries to level the trading field, forgive debts, >and assist in more meaningful ways. > >Debbie This is what I don't understand- how does going to a free concert encourage governments to do anything? They look at the TV and think "Those are popular musicians and it was a beautiful day." That's the only conclusion that can be made from the event. Wouldn't it be a lot more convincing if these people showed up to express concern about Africa without the draw of great bands? In the end, the real challenge is to the *concertgoers:* to see if THEY respond to the call to put pressure on governments. Was Live8 just a good time or was it a real personal committment to carry the torch? With all due respect to Geldoff who gets a lot of well-deserved credit for trying anyway, Nicholas Kristoff of the New York Times has been relentless in bringing the problems of Africa (and other global issues) to the attention of the public, with a lot less personal fanfare and more personal involvement. The G8 has already made plans for debt relief. When it goes through it will be interesting to see if Live8 claims it had influence. Sue(tm) Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself! |
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The cause of all the problems in africa is africans
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AlleyGator wrote:
> Isn't it interesting how free they are with OUR money? I'd like the > freedom to flush it down yet another cesspool myself, thank you, if > that's the plan for it. G8 sounds so innocuous, doesn't it? The gang > of theives. I think the theory is that it makes some of those countries slightly more stable so that if there is any mineral wealth or some sort of market for your goods it makes is slightly more habitable for those who go in to develop it. Some of those high cost toys the dictators get, like luxury jets, is money in the pockets of our companies. |
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On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:24:30 -0400, "Debbie" > wrote:
>Which is why this isnt' about raising money. The live 8 is about >encouraging the richer countries to level the trading field, forgive debts, >and assist in more meaningful ways. > >Debbie > I think thats just a code-phrase for; Have the G-8 countrys screw their workers with higher taxes so they can pour money down the rat-hole. It moves "charity" from optional, to government imposed "mandatory"..... <rj> |
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Dave Smith wrote: > day, dreamer@dream, .com@ wrote: > > > When will Africa improve? > > > > The US already does more than its' share. > > Despite my feelings that our present system of aid to Africa is a waste of > money, I have to disagree with your suggestion that the US does more than its > fair share. While it is true that the amount of aid from the US is large, the > US is a very wealthy country and has a large population. The problem is that > the per capita contribution is pitifully small when compared to western European > countries. You are forgetting the HUGE defense burden that the US has shouldered around the world since 1945, that also is a form of "foreign aid". We kept (and are keeping) the peace on the frontlines of the European East - West divide, Japan, Taiwan, Korea, etc. We successfully stood down the Soviet Evil Empire, that took trillions and trillions of dollars over the years. Luckily the outcome favoured us, by hook or crook it could have easily gone the other way, e.g. total utter thermonuclear destruction... The US *single - handedly* kept the peace all these years, that's a pretty major accomplishment. You can't argue that fact. Let those nagging Europeans, etc. remember who fed, warmed, and clothed them during those record cold winters of '45, '46, '47...it is *directly* because of US largesse they now have the luxury of criticising us. They wouldn't be nearly so smug and comfortable if postwar popular US public opinion had held sway during the immediate postwar years, fortunately we had visionary titans like General Marshall and President Truman (and despite my dislike of the man, I'll include General MacArthur with his Japan occupation policy) who could see beyond the mundane opinion polls and lend a helping hand to Europe and other places. -- Best Greg |
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Curly Sue wrote: > On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:24:30 -0400, "Debbie" > > wrote: > > >dee wrote: > >>> I thought about quoting a post, and, then just decided not to. The > >>> topic says it all. So very little of the money raised in the name of > >>> this project, has actually gotten to the people who need it. > > > >Which is why this isnt' about raising money. The live 8 is about > >encouraging the richer countries to level the trading field, forgive debts, > >and assist in more meaningful ways. > > > >Debbie > > This is what I don't understand- how does going to a free concert > encourage governments to do anything? They look at the TV and think > "Those are popular musicians and it was a beautiful day." That's the > only conclusion that can be made from the event. > > Wouldn't it be a lot more convincing if these people showed up to > express concern about Africa without the draw of great bands? In the > end, the real challenge is to the *concertgoers:* to see if THEY > respond to the call to put pressure on governments. > > Was Live8 just a good time or was it a real personal committment to > carry the torch? It's just a bunch of grotty, aging Brit rock stars who have to draw attention to themselves, Sue. They've got more ridiculous "causes" than you've grains of salt in your sea salt shaker... I was reading in some UK paper or other about some anti - poverty "demonstration" going on that was tied in with this concert thing , a bunch of dolts were going around wearing white armbands or some such that said "End Poverty!". Yeah, as if. Pass me the bong, matey... [Apparently they chartered a train to attend the concert, because of an operating glitch, the train stalled on the tracks. Lol...a great metaphor] One of the major roots of poverty in the Third World is subjugation of women, this is a factor that needs to be addressed.... One program that *does* work are the the "micro - loan" programmes that exist in Bangladesh, India, etc. Fifty or a hundred bux is given to a woman, with that seed money they can buy a cheap sewing machine and some bolts of cloth, some chickens, some garden seeds and fertilizer, etc. The woman is given some basic literacy/small business training, in no time at all these women are running little money - making businesses. With this, they can boot out that LAZY ABUSIVE ******* of a husband, these gals are now earning their own way and are subservient to nobody. They are building wealth and a legacy upon which future generations can build. That's how you have to work it, enough with the grandiose "aid" programs already. These programs don't cost much overhead - wise, they are highly successful. The money goes directly to where it'll do the most good, not to some corrupt UN or government kleptocracy... -- Best Greg |
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On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 01:21:41 -0400, "Debbie" > wrote:
> >You know.. it is time for everyone to stop yapping about what they do. They >thing is that everyone needs to help.. and to keep helping and not get >discouraged. By not helping we are letting millions of people die... >allowing countries to be in such unrest that they become fertile ground for >terrorist camps etc. We can sit back and do nothing (or nothing more as the >case may be) and then perhaps in a few years complain about these countries >as being the place that the terrorists are coming from. OR, we can >encourage our governments to step in and help these countries change. It is >truly sad seeing children die by the hundreds. This is my last word on the >subject.. wrong newsgroup for this discussion and not interested in watching >it deteriorate into flames. These are my opinions only.. yours may be >different. > >Debbie > I guess they should bring back colonialism. Under colonialism, cities were built, utilitys installed, there was employment, rule of law the countries fed themselves AND exported product. now, Africa is a joke ! A whole continent on welfare. ( of course, they blame colonialism ) <rj> |
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Dave Smith:
The header of this post is vaguely racist. The word 'Africa' with a question mark ? after it would, IMO, have been more appropriate: --- Joseph Littleshoes may be consulted at --- http://finblake.home.mindspring.com/tarotintro.htm |
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RJ wrote:
> I guess they should bring back colonialism. > Under colonialism, cities were built, > utilitys installed, > there was employment, > rule of law > the countries fed themselves AND exported product. Paradigm shift: For "colonialism," substitute "Saddam Hussein," and marvel at how the veracity of the passage doesn't change. Bob |
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