Do lobsters feel pain when they are boiled? A new study says "no"

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science....ap/index.html

I am sure that PETA and like minded people will be very disappointed at
this. One less thing to nag about.

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In article > ,
"Peter Aitken" > wrote:

> Do lobsters feel pain when they are boiled? A new study says "no"
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science....ap/index.html
>
> I am sure that PETA and like minded people will be very disappointed at
> this. One less thing to nag about.
>
> --
> Peter Aitken

The article does not show any proof.
It just says that it's "unlikely".

I, for one, start my crustaceans in cold water and bring it up
to a boil. I never see thrashing around or struggling when I
do that. I think they have a better texture too.

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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:16:39 -0600, Katra
> wrote:

>I, for one, start my crustaceans in cold water and bring it up
>to a boil. I never see thrashing around or struggling when I
>do that. I think they have a better texture too.
>
>--
>K.

Howdy,

Perhaps this is what you are describing, but...

You are likely to get better taste if you put 'em in about a
half inch of cold water, and then heat that to steam.

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Kenneth wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:16:39 -0600, Katra
> > wrote:
>
>
>>I, for one, start my crustaceans in cold water and bring it up
>>to a boil. I never see thrashing around or struggling when I
>>do that. I think they have a better texture too.
>>
>>--
>>K.
>
>
> Howdy,
>
> Perhaps this is what you are describing, but...
>
> You are likely to get better taste if you put 'em in about a
> half inch of cold water, and then heat that to steam.
>

Yup. The only other thing I do, and I don't know it matters or not
it's just more habit than anything, is to toss 'em into the freezer
for 20 minutes or so.

--
Steve

Ever wonder about those people who spend $2.00 apiece on those little
bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards...

In article >,
Kenneth > wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:16:39 -0600, Katra
> > wrote:
>
> >I, for one, start my crustaceans in cold water and bring it up
> >to a boil. I never see thrashing around or struggling when I
> >do that. I think they have a better texture too.
> >
> >--
> >K.
>
> Howdy,
>
> Perhaps this is what you are describing, but...
>
> You are likely to get better taste if you put 'em in about a
> half inch of cold water, and then heat that to steam.

Actually, I immerse them in cold water...

Never tried steaming live ones.

D'you really think it would make a big difference?
They come out tender and juicy when I do it this way!

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:31:26 -0600, Katra
> wrote:

>Actually, I immerse them in cold water...
>
>Never tried steaming live ones.
>
>D'you really think it would make a big difference?
>They come out tender and juicy when I do it this way!
>
>--
>K.

Hi again,

The problem (if you want to call it that) is that you are
making a large volume of "lobster broth" and then (probably)
throwing it away.

All the best,

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"Kenneth" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:31:26 -0600, Katra
> > wrote:
>
>>Actually, I immerse them in cold water...
>>
>>Never tried steaming live ones.
>>
>>D'you really think it would make a big difference?
>>They come out tender and juicy when I do it this way!
>>
>>--
>>K.
>
> Hi again,
>
> The problem (if you want to call it that) is that you are
> making a large volume of "lobster broth" and then (probably)
> throwing it away.
>

I think there's something to what you say. I always boiled lobsters but the
other night I steamed them and they seemed unusually good. Not to mention
saving a lot of energy!


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In article >,
Kenneth > wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:31:26 -0600, Katra
> > wrote:
>
> >Actually, I immerse them in cold water...
> >
> >Never tried steaming live ones.
> >
> >D'you really think it would make a big difference?
> >They come out tender and juicy when I do it this way!
> >
> >--
> >K.
>
> Hi again,
>
> The problem (if you want to call it that) is that you are
> making a large volume of "lobster broth" and then (probably)
> throwing it away.
>
> All the best,

Mmm... I'd like to agree, but, they don't stay in long enough to make a
broth. ;-)
The water comes up to a boil, the lobster turns bright red and they are
done!

But, thanks!

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Peter Aitken wrote:
> Do lobsters feel pain when they are boiled? A new study says "no"
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science....ap/index.html
>
> I am sure that PETA and like minded people will be very disappointed
at
> this. One less thing to nag about.

I doubt it. You imply that PETA fanatics are open to learning. There
is no evidence of that.

-aem

"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message
. com...
> Do lobsters feel pain when they are boiled? A new study says "no"
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science....ap/index.html
>
> I am sure that PETA and like minded people will be very disappointed at
> this. One less thing to nag about.
>
> --
> Peter Aitken

The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who still hunt
whales for food.

Charlie

mmmmm...whale

Charles Gifford wrote:
>
> The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who
still hunt
> whales for food.
>
> Charlie

Yes, they are allowed a quota of 500 minke whales per year. The
population of these whales is estimated at in excess of 100,000. Since
they are not endangered or threatened, how does eating a sea mammal
differ from eating a land mammal?

-aem

In article .com>,
"aem" > wrote:

> Charles Gifford wrote:
> >
> > The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who
> still hunt
> > whales for food.
> >
> > Charlie
>
> Yes, they are allowed a quota of 500 minke whales per year. The
> population of these whales is estimated at in excess of 100,000. Since
> they are not endangered or threatened, how does eating a sea mammal
> differ from eating a land mammal?
>
> -aem
>

Sea mammals are sentient.

It's tantamount to cannabalism.......

Just MHO.

:-P

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"Katra" > wrote in message
...
> In article .com>,
> "aem" > wrote:
>
>> Charles Gifford wrote:
>> >
>> > The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who
>> still hunt
>> > whales for food.
>> >
>> > Charlie
>>
>> Yes, they are allowed a quota of 500 minke whales per year. The
>> population of these whales is estimated at in excess of 100,000. Since
>> they are not endangered or threatened, how does eating a sea mammal
>> differ from eating a land mammal?
>>
>> -aem
>>
>
> Sea mammals are sentient.
>
> It's tantamount to cannabalism.......
>
> Just MHO.

Cannabalism is defined as eating one's own species.


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In article > ,
"Peter Aitken" > wrote:

> "Katra" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article .com>,
> > "aem" > wrote:
> >
> >> Charles Gifford wrote:
> >> >
> >> > The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who
> >> still hunt
> >> > whales for food.
> >> >
> >> > Charlie
> >>
> >> Yes, they are allowed a quota of 500 minke whales per year. The
> >> population of these whales is estimated at in excess of 100,000. Since
> >> they are not endangered or threatened, how does eating a sea mammal
> >> differ from eating a land mammal?
> >>
> >> -aem
> >>
> >
> > Sea mammals are sentient.
> >
> > It's tantamount to cannabalism.......
> >
> > Just MHO.
>
> Cannabalism is defined as eating one's own species.

Considering the tiny difference in genetics, you are... ;-)


Besides, if you read the above, I said it was "Tantamount" to
cannabalism, not that it actually was!

It just means that there is not a lof of difference between cannabalism
and consuming a sentient, intelligent being. Kinda like eating a space
alien. ;-)

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Katra wrote:
> In article .com>,
> "aem" > wrote:
>
> > Charles Gifford wrote:
> > >
> > > The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who
> > still hunt whales for food.
> > >
> > > Charlie
> >
> > Yes, they are allowed a quota of 500 minke whales per year. The
> > population of these whales is estimated at in excess of 100,000.
Since
> > they are not endangered or threatened, how does eating a sea mammal
> > differ from eating a land mammal?
> >
> > -aem
> >
> Sea mammals are sentient.
>
> It's tantamount to cannabalism.......
>
> Just MHO.
>
> :-P

You are entitled to your opinion, and it is shared by many others. I
don't agree with it, but that's just MHO. Land mammals are sentient,
too. I was just tweaking Charlie, who wrote "...people who still hunt
whales for food" as though that were a self-evident refutation of
anything the Norwegian government says or does.

Don't ever read The Secret Life of Plants or you may wind up with
nothing left to eat. <smile>

-aem

In article .com>,
"aem" > wrote:

> Katra wrote:
> > In article .com>,
> > "aem" > wrote:
> >
> > > Charles Gifford wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who
> > > still hunt whales for food.
> > > >
> > > > Charlie
> > >
> > > Yes, they are allowed a quota of 500 minke whales per year. The
> > > population of these whales is estimated at in excess of 100,000.
> Since
> > > they are not endangered or threatened, how does eating a sea mammal
> > > differ from eating a land mammal?
> > >
> > > -aem
> > >
> > Sea mammals are sentient.
> >
> > It's tantamount to cannabalism.......
> >
> > Just MHO.
> >
> > :-P
>
> You are entitled to your opinion, and it is shared by many others. I
> don't agree with it, but that's just MHO. Land mammals are sentient,
> too.

The only land mammals that are sentient AFAIK are primates.

> I was just tweaking Charlie, who wrote "...people who still hunt
> whales for food" as though that were a self-evident refutation of
> anything the Norwegian government says or does.
>
> Don't ever read The Secret Life of Plants or you may wind up with
> nothing left to eat. <smile>

Oh I'm a carnivoir, and even kill my own meat sometimes!
I just cannot bring myself to eat a fellow sentient.
Whales and dophins are the "humans" of the sea!


>
> -aem
>

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"aem" > wrote in message
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<snip>
> I was just tweaking Charlie,

Tweak me would you? Gadzooks!

> Don't ever read The Secret Life of Plants or you may wind up with
> nothing left to eat. <smile>

Ooooo! That sounds quite subversive. Well, well --- the moral highground is
often rocky. <grin>

Charlie, who admires Norge and greatly admires certain Norweigan individuals
but looks somewhat askance at their traditional cuisine


> -aem
>

On 16 Feb 2005 09:30:14 -0800, "aem" > wrote:

<snip>

>Don't ever read The Secret Life of Plants or you may wind up with
>nothing left to eat. <smile>

When my younger sister was about 7 or 8, my father planted a gaZILLION
tomato plants in the backyard (and promptly went TDY for 3 months to
Zaragosa, leaving my much PO'd mother in charge of the plants). I was
12 or 13 and striving to be the largest PITA sister I could possibly
be and about that time I read somewhere that tomatoes, when pulled off
the vine, make a detectable sound which the writer fancifully implied
was akin to a scream. Of course, I promptly shared this with her as we
were on tomato picking duty and demonstrated, as I pulled tomatoes off
the vine, how the tomatoes were likely reacting (OW! Screech! Nooooo!,
etc.). Her reaction was vastly entertaining at the time.

As for the gazillion tomato plants, by the time my father got back
from Spain, we had tomatoes running rampant. Peddled them all over the
neighborhood and the base. Mother made *gallons* of tomato juice b/c
it used a *lot* of tomatoes per quart, as well as tomato sauce,chili
sauce, canned tomatoes and, my personal favorite: would pay me to pick
them, put them in grocery bags and sneak them into the neighbor's
garbage cans on trash day. Wish I'd thought of setting up a tomato
stand...

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA


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