I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit. So,
if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion), and I'm
not changing newsgroup readers.
It has been my experience with computers that the less I change on them, the
longer they seem to work <g>
So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
Let the poster post, and let the reader read!

lubbs!
lucy
p.s. If it means so much to any individual here, you are welcome to pay me
to learn all the rules and apply them with each post.
<grins>

In article > ,
"Lucy" > wrote:

> I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit. So,
> if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
> anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion), and I'm
> not changing newsgroup readers.
> It has been my experience with computers that the less I change on them, the
> longer they seem to work <g>
> So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
> Let the poster post, and let the reader read!
>
> lubbs!
> lucy
> p.s. If it means so much to any individual here, you are welcome to pay me
> to learn all the rules and apply them with each post.
> <grins>


<plonk>

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:57:04 GMT, "Lucy" > wrote:

Hi Lucy,

HERE'S WHAT YOU POSTED IN THIS THREAD:

>I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit. So,
>if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
>anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion), and I'm
>not changing newsgroup readers.
>It has been my experience with computers that the less I change on them, the
>longer they seem to work <g>
>So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
>Let the poster post, and let the reader read!

HERE'S ANOTHER POST ON THE SAME TOPIC:

"Oh Herbie.. (may I call you that? I probably will until you request
otherwise, then I will respect your wishes)..
Not you too on the bottom posting!
I try .. but, funny thing.. as I am driving home each evening my brain
curls up and falls asleep at the base of my cranium.. and tends to stay
there, sleeping peacefully, until the next morning on the way to work.


Can you see how one post makes you sound like a bitch, and one makes you
sound like a ditzy (such as myself)? I think I like the ditzy better.

Carol
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

"Damsel" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:57:04 GMT, "Lucy" > wrote:
>
> Hi Lucy,
>
> HERE'S WHAT YOU POSTED IN THIS THREAD:
>
>>I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit.
>>So,
>>if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
>>anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion), and I'm
>>not changing newsgroup readers.
>>It has been my experience with computers that the less I change on them,
>>the
>>longer they seem to work <g>
>>So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
>>Let the poster post, and let the reader read!
>
> HERE'S ANOTHER POST ON THE SAME TOPIC:
>
> "Oh Herbie.. (may I call you that? I probably will until you request
> otherwise, then I will respect your wishes)..
> Not you too on the bottom posting!
> I try .. but, funny thing.. as I am driving home each evening my brain
> curls up and falls asleep at the base of my cranium.. and tends to stay
> there, sleeping peacefully, until the next morning on the way to work.
>
>
> Can you see how one post makes you sound like a bitch, and one makes you
> sound like a ditzy (such as myself)? I think I like the ditzy better.
>
> Carol

Carol,
Since the only places I've been called a bitch is in newsgroups and in
chatrooms, it really doesn't bother me. The tone "heard" reveals more about
the person perceiving it, than the person who did the typing.
lucy

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:32:40 GMT, "Lucy" > wrote:

>Carol,
>Since the only places I've been called a bitch is in newsgroups and in
>chatrooms, it really doesn't bother me. The tone "heard" reveals more about
>the person perceiving it, than the person who did the typing.
>lucy

I just wanted to point out that you are sending out some unattractive
signals. If that doesn't bother you, no sweat. I was just trying to be
helpful.

Carol, the Unrelenting Bitch
--
"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

*James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

Damsel wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:32:40 GMT, "Lucy" > wrote:
>
>
>>Carol,
>>Since the only places I've been called a bitch is in newsgroups and in
>>chatrooms, it really doesn't bother me. The tone "heard" reveals more about
>>the person perceiving it, than the person who did the typing.
>>lucy
>
>
> I just wanted to point out that you are sending out some unattractive
> signals. If that doesn't bother you, no sweat. I was just trying to be
> helpful.
>
> Carol, the Unrelenting Bitch

Carol, I think you hit the nail on the head here.
I sit here vacillating between judging this poster
a troll or just thoughtless/clueless? Some
definite mixed signals. But once again your
graciousness shines as you trudge on assuming the
best about her and trying to help out.
Only time will tell, huh?
Goomba

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:09:06 -0500, Goomba38 > wrote:

>Carol, I think you hit the nail on the head here.
>I sit here vacillating between judging this poster
>a troll or just thoughtless/clueless? Some
>definite mixed signals. But once again your
>graciousness shines as you trudge on assuming the
>best about her and trying to help out.
>Only time will tell, huh?
>Goomba

Hey! Don't be calling me gracious, Goomba. It's already been determined
that I am a bitch. Do I get to be Queen Bitch, or is that title already
taken? Even Bitch in Training would be an honor. Please let me know.

Carol
--
"There's things about me you don't know, Dottie.
Things you wouldn't understand. Things you couldn't
understand. Things you shouldn't understand.... I'm
a loner, Dottie. A rebel"

*Paul Reubens* in the 1985 movie, _Pee Wee's Big Adventure_

Damsel wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:32:40 GMT, "Lucy" > wrote:
>
>
>>Carol,
>>Since the only places I've been called a bitch is in newsgroups and in
>>chatrooms, it really doesn't bother me. The tone "heard" reveals more about
>>the person perceiving it, than the person who did the typing.
>>lucy
>
>
> I just wanted to point out that you are sending out some unattractive
> signals. If that doesn't bother you, no sweat. I was just trying to be
> helpful.
>
> Carol, the Unrelenting Bitch


To add to Carol's comment: when you see "plonk" after
your message, the poster is NOT patting you on the back.
If you get plonked enough, you will find yourself talking
almost exclusively to yourself.

gloria p

In article > ,
Lucy > wrote:
>I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit. So,

If your objective in posting is to reach an audience, then it
behooves you to post in a fashion acceptable to the community you're
communicating with. Bottom posting is simply good netiquette.

If I said, "I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to belch,
fart loudly, and even masturbate in fancy restaurants whenever
I have the urge," then you get the flavor of your decision with
respect to-top posting in newsgroups.

When engaging in social discourse, refraining from polite behavior
throws sand into machinery that already works with difficulty at
best. It's not hard to avoid offending people... unless you're so
lazy you don't care.

And if you're going to do that, why bother posting at all?

I'll leave you with the following dialogue, which imitates what
you're suggesting:

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet?

-A

"axlq" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> Lucy > wrote:
> >I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit.
So,
>
> If your objective in posting is to reach an audience, then it
> behooves you to post in a fashion acceptable to the community you're
> communicating with. Bottom posting is simply good netiquette.
>
> If I said, "I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to belch,
> fart loudly, and even masturbate in fancy restaurants whenever
> I have the urge," then you get the flavor of your decision with
> respect to-top posting in newsgroups.

Oh, good Gawd...it's not at all comparable. Yes, top-posting
is generally frowned upon, and for the reasons you mentioned
- but it's by no means the same level of faux pas as any of the
above. I'd much rather read a top-posted post than one which
has been bottom-posted by some moron who can't be bothered
to trim the hundreds of lines that have been written previously.
If you're going to be THIS anal regarding posting styles, well, it's
your right - but I would suggest you then simply employ the use
of a killfile or other such filtering technique to protect your blood
pressure; don't go beating up on everyone who happens to
disagree with the degree of offense you feel about this.

Bob M.

In article >, "Bob Myers"
> wrote:

> "axlq" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article > ,
> > Lucy > wrote:
> > >I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit.
> So,
> >
> > If your objective in posting is to reach an audience, then it
> > behooves you to post in a fashion acceptable to the community you're
> > communicating with. Bottom posting is simply good netiquette.
> >
> > If I said, "I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to belch,
> > fart loudly, and even masturbate in fancy restaurants whenever
> > I have the urge," then you get the flavor of your decision with
> > respect to-top posting in newsgroups.
>
> Oh, good Gawd...it's not at all comparable.


It's comparable in "flavor", though not degree.


> above. I'd much rather read a top-posted post than one which
> has been bottom-posted by some moron who can't be bothered
> to trim the hundreds of lines that have been written previously.


I've seen this argument too often. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Netiquette says to bottom post *and* trim your posts.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Bob Myers"
> > wrote:
>
>> "axlq" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article > ,
>> > Lucy > wrote:
>> > >I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see
>> > >fit.
>> So,
>> >
>> > If your objective in posting is to reach an audience, then it
>> > behooves you to post in a fashion acceptable to the community you're
>> > communicating with. Bottom posting is simply good netiquette.
>> >
>> > If I said, "I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to belch,
>> > fart loudly, and even masturbate in fancy restaurants whenever
>> > I have the urge," then you get the flavor of your decision with
>> > respect to-top posting in newsgroups.
>>
>> Oh, good Gawd...it's not at all comparable.
>
>
> It's comparable in "flavor", though not degree.
>
>
>> above. I'd much rather read a top-posted post than one which
>> has been bottom-posted by some moron who can't be bothered
>> to trim the hundreds of lines that have been written previously.
>
>
> I've seen this argument too often. Two wrongs don't make a right.
> Netiquette says to bottom post *and* trim your posts.
>
> --
> Dan Abel
> Sonoma State University
> AIS
>
Netiquette also dictates one doesn't resort to calling a fellow poster a
bitch.
lucy

"Lucy" > wrote in message
om...
> Netiquette also dictates one doesn't resort to calling a fellow poster a
> bitch.
> lucy

Actually, that would be just common etiquette, or what
used to be known, before its unfortunate demise, as
courteous and civil behavior. It's too bad that so many
consider electronic communications to be somehow not
subject to those norms.

Bob M.

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:37:05 -0800, (Dan Abel) wrote:

>In article >, "Bob Myers"
> wrote:

>> above. I'd much rather read a top-posted post than one which
>> has been bottom-posted by some moron who can't be bothered
>> to trim the hundreds of lines that have been written previously.
>
>
>I've seen this argument too often. Two wrongs don't make a right.
>Netiquette says to bottom post *and* trim your posts.

<clap! clap! clap!>

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd's "me, too" post
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA


"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
...
>> above. I'd much rather read a top-posted post than one which
> >> has been bottom-posted by some moron who can't be bothered
> >> to trim the hundreds of lines that have been written previously.
> >
> >
> >I've seen this argument too often. Two wrongs don't make a right.
> >Netiquette says to bottom post *and* trim your posts.
>
> <clap! clap! clap!>

Oh, Jayzus H. Christ on a pogo stick....

OF COURSE "netiquette" says that; no one is disagreeing with that.
In ANY form of written communications, it should be the aim of the
writer to produce output in such a way that it is most readable by
the most number of people - at least, assuming that actually
communicating information was in fact their aim in the first place.
The supposed "rules of netiquette" all derive from that simple goal,
and I for one am certainly no disagreeing with them.

My problem, instead, is just with those who get so wrapped around
the axle regarding these "rules" that we can only conclude that
they consider them matters of life and death. It is to those people
that I am saying: chill out, folks- there are most definitely more important
things in life to worry about, and for that matter there is almost always
a more pleasant and courteous way for you to state your objections
to these minor faux pas. In other words, if this is how you deal with
what you consider to be objectionable formatting of a written
statement, I would really, truly hate to be around you when something
important goes wrong. For one thing, I don't like getting blood
spatter on my clothes...

Bob M.

>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd's "me, too" post
> AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA
>
>
> "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
> old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
> waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."
>
> -- Duncan Hines
>
> To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

"Bob Myers" > wrote in message
...
>
> "axlq" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article > ,
>> Lucy > wrote:
>> >I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit.
> So,
>>
>> If your objective in posting is to reach an audience, then it
>> behooves you to post in a fashion acceptable to the community you're
>> communicating with. Bottom posting is simply good netiquette.
>>
>> If I said, "I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to belch,
>> fart loudly, and even masturbate in fancy restaurants whenever
>> I have the urge," then you get the flavor of your decision with
>> respect to-top posting in newsgroups.
>
> Oh, good Gawd...it's not at all comparable. Yes, top-posting
> is generally frowned upon, and for the reasons you mentioned
> - but it's by no means the same level of faux pas as any of the
> above. I'd much rather read a top-posted post than one which
> has been bottom-posted by some moron who can't be bothered
> to trim the hundreds of lines that have been written previously.
> If you're going to be THIS anal regarding posting styles, well, it's
> your right - but I would suggest you then simply employ the use
> of a killfile or other such filtering technique to protect your blood
> pressure; don't go beating up on everyone who happens to
> disagree with the degree of offense you feel about this.
>
> Bob M.
Bob.. thank you for saying so eloquently what I failed to convey!
(Some people prolly are anal because this is their life.)
I have top posted very few times here.. in fact, I was originally trying to
be funny.. but, after all I've seen here so far on this thread.... I much
prefer your attitude.. nobody owes anyone anything on here.
lucy
p.s. where in tejas you from, feller?

"Lucy" > wrote in message
om...
> p.s. where in tejas you from, feller?

I'm not; my in-laws are in Texas, though (Dallas/Ft. Worth
area), so I get repeated exposure to all things Texan. I'm
familiar enough with Texas to know that "King of the Hill,"
which most OUTSIDE of Texas consider to be a comedy, is
actually an animated documentary...

Me, personally...I was born and raised in Indiana - which is a
great place to be FROM - and have just gone over the
quarter-century mark in Colorado.

Bob "Texan by marriage, but rarely admit it" M.

"Bob Myers" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Lucy" > wrote in message
> om...
>> p.s. where in tejas you from, feller?
>
> I'm not; my in-laws are in Texas, though (Dallas/Ft. Worth
> area), so I get repeated exposure to all things Texan. I'm
> familiar enough with Texas to know that "King of the Hill,"
> which most OUTSIDE of Texas consider to be a comedy, is
> actually an animated documentary...
>
> Me, personally...I was born and raised in Indiana - which is a
> great place to be FROM - and have just gone over the
> quarter-century mark in Colorado.
>
> Bob "Texan by marriage, but rarely admit it" M.
Bob,
Well... I read the posts tonight in order, so I asked you again where from,
before I found this post. Ignore it.
I've been to Colorado, and absolutely love the chocolate soup at the Brown
Palace hotel (I think that's the name? It was called brown something..
haven't been there since '96) in Denver. That stuff.. I would never want the
recipe to.. because I'd end up gaining a ton of weight! lol!
lucy

"Lucy" > wrote in message
. com...
> I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see
fit. So,
> if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
> anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion),
and I'm
> not changing newsgroup readers.
> It has been my experience with computers that the less I change on
them, the
> longer they seem to work <g>
> So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
> Let the poster post, and let the reader read!

OK I'm not going to hate you if this is what you choose to do ...
Buts is it really that much more difficult to post below a foregoing
quoted post to which you are responding?

I used to top post also until it was explained WHY doind so makes it
unreasonably awkward and more difficult for others to follow the
discussion, especially if there are one or more other posters that
successively respond to your comment and to those that follow. This is
just a matter of etiquette and consideration for everyone else. And
maybe I missed something but I have no idea what you mean by
"downloading anything to move the cursor."

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:34:35 -0800, "Sam D."
> scribbled some thoughts:


>maybe I missed something but I have no idea what you mean by
>"downloading anything to move the cursor."


That would be in reference to some software which can
automagically place the cursor at the bottom. I believe OE
Quote Fix can do that. But a quick: CTRL+End will take it
to the bottom.

--

Sincerely, | NOTE: Best viewed in a fixed pitch font
| (©) (©)
Andrew H. Carter | ------ooo--(_)--ooo------
d(-_-)b | /// \\\

"Andrew H. Carter" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:34:35 -0800, "Sam D."
> > scribbled some thoughts:
>
>
>>maybe I missed something but I have no idea what you mean by
>>"downloading anything to move the cursor."
>
>
> That would be in reference to some software which can
> automagically place the cursor at the bottom. I believe OE
> Quote Fix can do that. But a quick: CTRL+End will take it
> to the bottom.

On my computer I don't have to CTRL+End; I only have to click "End."
When I'm going thru the postings, I just keep my finger on "End."
To read the top posters, of course, I don't have to click "End." But after
awhile, I do stop reading top postings, they usually are quick quips and not
to the point, and too much trouble for me.
Dee

Andrew H. Carter wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:34:35 -0800, "Sam D."
> > scribbled some thoughts:
>
>
>
>>maybe I missed something but I have no idea what you mean by
>>"downloading anything to move the cursor."
>
>
>
> That would be in reference to some software which can
> automagically place the cursor at the bottom. I believe OE
> Quote Fix can do that. But a quick: CTRL+End will take it
> to the bottom.
>
You don't even need to try to fix broken software. Thunderbird (free
from www.mozilla.org) knows how to do properly reply "out of the box".

George wrote:
> Andrew H. Carter wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:34:35 -0800, "Sam D."
>> > scribbled some thoughts:
>>
>>
>>
>>> maybe I missed something but I have no idea what you mean by
>>> "downloading anything to move the cursor."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> That would be in reference to some software which can
>> automagically place the cursor at the bottom. I believe OE
>> Quote Fix can do that. But a quick: CTRL+End will take it
>> to the bottom.
>>
> You don't even need to try to fix broken software. Thunderbird (free
> from www.mozilla.org) knows how to do properly reply "out of the box".

More coffee needed. "It knows how to do a reply properly "out of the box".

Andrew H. Carter wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:34:35 -0800, "Sam D."
> > scribbled some thoughts:
>
>
>> maybe I missed something but I have no idea what you mean by
>> "downloading anything to move the cursor."
>
>
> That would be in reference to some software which can
> automagically place the cursor at the bottom. I believe OE
> Quote Fix can do that. But a quick: CTRL+End will take it
> to the bottom.

OE Quote Fix also corrects word-wrap problems.

Jill

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:34:35 -0800, "Sam D."
> wrote:

> until it was explained WHY doing so makes it
> unreasonably awkward and more difficult for others to follow the
> discussion, especially if there are one or more other posters that
> successively respond to your comment and to those that follow.

This is Usenet, not a list serve. We don't need or want
everybody's contribution in a single post.

> This is
> just a matter of etiquette and consideration for everyone else.

It's a matter of laziness! Bottom posting complainers are
too lazy or too egotistical to snip judiciously.

> And
> maybe I missed something but I have no idea what you mean by
> "downloading anything to move the cursor."

According to some bottom posting whiners - way back in the
dark ages of Usenet, the cursor defaulted to the bottom.
The way to do it these days is via a software program.


sf

sf wrote:


> According to some bottom posting whiners - way back in the
> dark ages of Usenet, the cursor defaulted to the bottom.
> The way to do it these days is via a software program.
> sf

My browser(Netscape) preferences give me a choice
as to where I want the cursor to appear. It is
probably available to many who don't realize that
choice exists.
Goomba

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:34:35 -0800, "Sam D."
> > wrote:
>
>> until it was explained WHY doing so makes it
>> unreasonably awkward and more difficult for others to follow the
>> discussion, especially if there are one or more other posters that
>> successively respond to your comment and to those that follow.
>
> This is Usenet, not a list serve. We don't need or want
> everybody's contribution in a single post.
>
>> This is
>> just a matter of etiquette and consideration for everyone else.
>
> It's a matter of laziness! Bottom posting complainers are
> too lazy or too egotistical to snip judiciously.
>
>> And
>> maybe I missed something but I have no idea what you mean by
>> "downloading anything to move the cursor."
>
> According to some bottom posting whiners - way back in the
> dark ages of Usenet, the cursor defaulted to the bottom.
> The way to do it these days is via a software program.
>
>
> sf
sf.. I'm still cracking up over this, and the humorless folks who took
offense. It was a joke.. I haven't top posted more than one line or so, and
several others here do...so now I think they're embarrassed They'll
either get over it or under it.. as grandma used to say.
lucy

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:32:12 GMT, "Lucy"
> wrote:

> sf.. I'm still cracking up over this, and the humorless folks who took
> offense. It was a joke.. I haven't top posted more than one line or so, and
> several others here do...so now I think they're embarrassed They'll
> either get over it or under it.. as grandma used to say.
> lucy
>

When it comes to top posting, there are a lot of militant
people here and it's a sure file attention getter.

sf

It works top or bottom, as seen here.

"Lucy" > wrote in message
. com...
> I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit.
So,
> if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
> anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion), and I'm
> not changing newsgroup readers.
> It has been my experience with computers that the less I change on them,
the
> longer they seem to work <g>
> So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
> Let the poster post, and let the reader read!
>
> lubbs!
> lucy
> p.s. If it means so much to any individual here, you are welcome to pay me
> to learn all the rules and apply them with each post.
> <grins>

It works top or bottom, as seen here.

In > PhotoMan wrote:

What?





























> It works top or bottom, as seen here.
>
> "Lucy" > wrote in message
> . com...
>> I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see
>> fit.
> So,
>> if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
>> anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion),
>> and I'm not changing newsgroup readers. It has been my experience
>> with computers that the less I change on them,
> the
>> longer they seem to work <g>
>> So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
>> Let the poster post, and let the reader read!
>>
>> lubbs!
>> lucy
>> p.s. If it means so much to any individual here, you are welcome to
>> pay me to learn all the rules and apply them with each post. <grins>
>
> It works top or bottom, as seen here.
>
>
>
--
Cheers

Dennis

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"Lucy" > wrote in message
. com...

> I've decided, after a few minutes of thought,
> to post however I see fit. So, if you hate top
> posted remarks, don't read them!

Obviously, that's your prerogative. Of course, if you plan to get
along in a community, it behooves you to follow the community's
standards.

> I'm not downloading anything to move the
> cursor (although that was a kind suggestion),
> and I'm not changing newsgroup readers.

You don't need to do either of those things. The whole reason your --
and many -- news readers place the cursor at the top of your reply is
*not* so that you can just start typing; it's so that you will *trim*
the post you're replying to, thus saving bandwidth for those who are
on dial-up (and there are still plenty of those people in the US *and*
around the world) *and* making your post easier to read. For example,
insertions between the original text, as I'm doing, makes it more
clear what exactly I'm responding to and helps make my post
understandable even in the event of poor message propagation and/or
threading (poor propagation continues to be a problem with many news
servers).

> It has been my experience with computers
> that the less I change on them, the longer
> they seem to work <g>

For the purpose of illustration, I'm leaving the above sentence in; my
first inclination was to delete it, since I'm not going to respond to
it.

> So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
> Let the poster post, and let the reader read!
>
> p.s. If it means so much to any individual here,
> you are welcome to pay me to learn all the rules
> and apply them with each post.

I'd have to agree with another poster down-thread; your tone indicates
bitchiness to me as well (note I'm not calling *you* a bitch, a
distinction worth noting), and an unwillingness to learn. While I
note that you say interpretation of tone says more about the reader
.... well, I would just gently remind you that the onus of clear
communication starts with the writer, not the reader. Usenet is a
written medium, and we are therefore without the benefit of facial
expression and body language to clarify your tone.

As for the rules, there are very few for you to remember; if you
follow along with how just about everyone else here posts (well, you
could *snip* more than most people here ), you'll be fine.

A couple of sites that you will find useful:
http://www.ibiblio.org/usenet-i/usenet-help.html
http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html -- if nothing else,
read section 2: Quoting and Answering. If you follow the guidelines,
I guarantee it will make your entire Usenet experience much more
pleasant.
-j

In article >, "jacqui{JB}"
> wrote:

> "Lucy" > wrote in message
(snip)
> > So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
> > Let the poster post, and let the reader read!
> >
> > p.s. If it means so much to any individual here,
> > you are welcome to pay me to learn all the rules
> > and apply them with each post.
>
> I'd have to agree with another poster down-thread; your tone indicates
> bitchiness to me as well (note I'm not calling *you* a bitch, a
> distinction worth noting), and an unwillingness to learn. While I
> note that you say interpretation of tone says more about the reader
> ... well, I would just gently remind you that the onus of clear
> communication starts with the writer, not the reader. Usenet is a
> written medium, and we are therefore without the benefit of facial
> expression and body language to clarify your tone.
>
> As for the rules, there are very few for you to remember; if you
> follow along with how just about everyone else here posts (well, you
> could *snip* more than most people here ), you'll be fine.
>
> If you follow the guidelines,
> I guarantee it will make your entire Usenet experience much more
> pleasant.
> -j

Lunch and drinks are on me, Jacqui. I might even fly over for it!
--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> 2005 Pirohy Marathon pics added 1-23-05.
"I read recipes the way I read science fiction: I get to the end and
say,'Well, that's not going to happen.'" - Comedian Rita Rudner,
performance at New York, New York, January 10, 2005.

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in Message-ID:
...

> Lunch and drinks are on me, Jacqui. I might even
> fly over for it!

If you fly all this way, the lunch and drinks are on *me* -- and I'd
be thrilled.
-j

Lucy wrote:
> I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit. So,
> if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
> anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion), and I'm
> not changing newsgroup readers.
> It has been my experience with computers that the less I change on them, the
> longer they seem to work <g>
> So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
> Let the poster post, and let the reader read!
>
> lubbs!
> lucy
> p.s. If it means so much to any individual here, you are welcome to pay me
> to learn all the rules and apply them with each post.
> <grins>
>
>
>
I put top posting and people who forward email where you have to wade
thru numerous headers to decipher what might have been of interest in
the same category. They are saying "my time is so much more important
than yours, so I can't waste my time trying to make something readable..."

On Fri 28 Jan 2005 06:09:49a, George wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Lucy wrote:
>> I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see
>> fit. So, if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not
>> downloading anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind
>> suggestion), and I'm not changing newsgroup readers. It has been my
>> experience with computers that the less I change on them, the longer
>> they seem to work <g> So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
>> Let the poster post, and let the reader read!
>>
>> lubbs!
>> lucy
>> p.s. If it means so much to any individual here, you are welcome to pay
>> me to learn all the rules and apply them with each post.
>> <grins>
>>
>>
>>
> I put top posting and people who forward email where you have to wade
> thru numerous headers to decipher what might have been of interest in
> the same category. They are saying "my time is so much more important
> than yours, so I can't waste my time trying to make something
> readable..."

You can put them wherever you want, but my time is at least as valuable as
yours.

I normally post a reply at the bottom, unless the the post I'm replying to
already has a top-posted reply, in which case I top post.

One thing I'm NOT going to do is completely re-arrange a post (because of
someone else's top-posting) just for the convenience of the next reader.

I'm not a f****** editor, not do I want to be.

As far as forwarding e-mail or usenet posts, I believe that the material
forwarded should be in exactly the same format as originally constructed,
otherwise, I'd be forwarding "my" version of it.

Wayne

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>
> As far as forwarding e-mail or usenet posts, I believe that the material
> forwarded should be in exactly the same format as originally constructed,
> otherwise, I'd be forwarding "my" version of it.
>
> Wayne

Agreed, original content should be preserved. My comment referred to
forwarding something from user to user without deleting the headers (and
often without any comment as to why the item might be interesting) When
you get it you need to scroll down 1,725 lines in order to see the content.

In > George wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>>
>> As far as forwarding e-mail or usenet posts, I believe that the
>> material forwarded should be in exactly the same format as
>> originally constructed, otherwise, I'd be forwarding "my" version of
>> it. Wayne
>
> Agreed, original content should be preserved. My comment referred to
> forwarding something from user to user without deleting the headers (
> and often without any comment as to why the item might be interesting)
> When you get it you need to scroll down 1,725 lines in order to see
> the content.


Not only that, when people do forward msgs that way, they're sending
yours and many others addresses all over the place which turns into spam
harvesting eventually...


--
Cheers

Dennis

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In article >, George
> wrote:


> Agreed, original content should be preserved. My comment referred to
> forwarding something from user to user without deleting the headers (and
> often without any comment as to why the item might be interesting) When
> you get it you need to scroll down 1,725 lines in order to see the content.


I disagree. Often the original content doesn't relate to everything below
it, due to thread drift. In such cases, I'd rather see the extraneous
material deleted. In fact, I have a rule that I generally don't scroll.
If I open a post and see nothing but quoted material, I don't read it and
just go to the next post.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

Lucy wrote:

> I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit.
So,
> if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
> anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion), and I'm
> not changing newsgroup readers.
> It has been my experience with computers that the less I change on them,
the
> longer they seem to work <g>
> So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
> Let the poster post, and let the reader read!


You are a sloppy lazy pee - eye - gee PIG, Lucy...I bet you bathe in a
****oir and crap in a bidet.

--
Best
Greg

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:57:04 GMT, "Lucy" > wrote:

>I've decided, after a few minutes of thought, to post however I see fit. So,
>if you hate top posted remarks, don't read them! I'm not downloading
>anything to move the cursor (although that was a kind suggestion), and I'm
>not changing newsgroup readers.
>It has been my experience with computers that the less I change on them, the
>longer they seem to work <g>
>So.. to horribly chop up a Plato quote...
>Let the poster post, and let the reader read!
>
>lubbs!
>lucy
>p.s. If it means so much to any individual here, you are welcome to pay me
>to learn all the rules and apply them with each post.
><grins>
>
>
Yes lucy you can post any way you wish.
Other can decide not to read your comments, if they wish.
Still other can kill file you for being inconsiderate, as I wish.
Plonk.

Pan Ohco



The Earth is degenerating these days. Bribery and corruption abound.
Children no longer mind their parents, every man wants to write a
Book, and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching.
--Assyrian stone tablet, c. 2800 B.C.