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what should be at the bottom of food pyramid?
i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
and such. agree? |
big macbeth wrote:
> i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, > and such. agree? That is actually the case in the Ornish Food Pyramid. http://www.veggit.com/ I would add nuts and fatty fish/ fish oils to the Pyramid. -- Juhana |
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"big macbeth" > wrote in message ups.com... >i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, > and such. agree? Agreed. But, don't look for the gov't to change this anytime soon. The pyramid isn't designed for the health of the nation, but rather what is 'cost effective', so they can provide cheap slop for school lunch programs, etc, and other gov't programs. I once did a research paper on food additives/preservatives, and the USDA/FDA, and discovered what I should have guessed long ago. Uncle Sam doesn't care about your health. Uncle Sam would rather alter serving sizes than force manufacturers to change then additives they use, and that is just the tip of the iceberg. So.. let's all be good citizens and eat more than a serving size of foods that contain additives that could be harmful if eaten in large quantities.. so we can all croak before drawing social security, like nice obedient citizens. <smirk> Ya, the info I found doing the paper made me kinda cynical where the gov't is concerned. lucy |
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One time on Usenet, "big macbeth" > said: > i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, > and such. agree? Nope -- I think they ought to scrap the stupid thing altogether... -- J.J. in WA ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~ "I rule you!" - Travis of the Cosmos, ATHF |
On 12 Jan 2005 12:45:34 -0800, "big macbeth" >
wrote: >i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, >and such. agree? Have a look at the following URL: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio.../pyramids.html You will notice that white rice, bread, potatoes, pasta, and sugar have been moved 'up' to "eat sparingly". Now whole grains and plant oils are at the bottom. Fruit and vegies are next. |
On 12-Jan-2005, "big macbeth" > wrote: > i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, > and such. agree? Only if white bread and white rice is what the current arrangement intended. However, I am sure the intent was the use of whole grains which are vastly superior as the foundation. Fruit would be terrible in those quantities because of high fructose and relative ease of conversion to sugar. However, its your bottom - you may put on it what you like. x-- 100 Proof News - http://www.100ProofNews.com x-- 3,500+ Binary NewsGroups, and over 90,000 other groups x-- Access to over 1 Terabyte per Day - $8.95/Month x-- UNLIMITED DOWNLOAD |
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> big macbeth wrote: >> i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, >> and such. agree? > > That is actually the case in the Ornish Food Pyramid. > > http://www.veggit.com/ I can't trust any food pyramid that doesn't have carcass on it. That little mouse on level two isn't carcass, it is compitition. > I would add nuts and fatty fish/ fish oils to the Pyramid. You would have ot add fish before fatty fish could be added. -- .-')) asciipr0n.com/fp ('-. | It's a damn poor mind that ' ..- .:" ) ( ":. -.. ' | can only think of one way to ((,,_;'.;' UIN=66618055 ';. ';_,,)) | spell a word. ((_.YIM=Faux_Pseudo :._)) | - Andrew Jackson |
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wrote: > i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, > and such. agree? Anything by McCains... -- Cheers Dennis Remove 'Elle-Kabong' to reply |
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"Karen" > wrote in message ups.com... > School lunch programs are a drop in the bucket when you compare that > cost or savings to the cost that obesity is causing... health care, > work production, etc. > > Uncle Sam does care about health because poor public health is costly. > Karen > |
>i think fruits and veggies should be >at the bottom, not bread, rice,
>and such. agree? I vote for beer, garlic, chile, and salt pork. D.M. Read "The Obesity Myth" by Paul Campos. |
"Robert Klute" > wrote in message ... > On 12 Jan 2005 12:45:34 -0800, "big macbeth" > > wrote: > >>i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, >>and such. agree? > > Have a look at the following URL: > > http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio.../pyramids.html > > You will notice that white rice, bread, potatoes, pasta, and sugar have > been moved 'up' to "eat sparingly". Now whole grains and plant oils are > at the bottom. Fruit and vegies are next. Looks good - regular exercise and whole foods as its base levels. |
Gal Called J.J. wrote:
> big macbeth said: > > > i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, > > and such. agree? > > Nope -- I think they ought to scrap the stupid thing altogether... A food pyramid should never have been written. It's idiocy wrapped in politics and/or money interests. The idea of "food groups" is equally trash. Eating grass gets its own foog group and gets declared important? Hello indigestion for many and goodbye healthy teeth for many. Eating grass does have some good points but it is far from essential. |
Carey Gregory wrote:
> wrote: > > >>I vote for beer, garlic, chile, and salt pork. > > > You left out fettuccine Alfredo and Doritos.... > Together?!? LD |
Robert Klute > wrote:
>On 12 Jan 2005 12:45:34 -0800, "big macbeth" > >wrote: >>i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, >>and such. agree? > >Have a look at the following URL: > >http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio.../pyramids.html > >You will notice that white rice, bread, potatoes, pasta, and sugar have >been moved 'up' to "eat sparingly". Now whole grains and plant oils are >at the bottom. Fruit and vegies are next. They've bought into the glycemic-index fad. The whole "N servings per day" thing is utterly stupid. Every meal has to be balanced properly, combining protein, starchy carbs, and fibrous carbs, or you might as well eat 2000 kcal per day of fried chicken and pancakes at one sitting. --Blair "And the pyramid is really a triangle." |
Nola > wrote:
>On 12-Jan-2005, "big macbeth" > wrote: > >> i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, >> and such. agree? > >Only if white bread and white rice is what the current arrangement >intended. However, I am sure the intent was the use of whole grains which >are vastly superior as the foundation. "Vastly superior" = only if you don't combine foods. If the white-flour bread is used in a low-fat-ham sandwich with lettuce and tomatoes on it, the whole meal has a moderate glycemic index and is perfectly fine. >Fruit would be terrible in those >quantities because of high fructose and relative ease of conversion to >sugar. However, its your bottom - you may put on it what you like. Fruit is high in fructose but it's also high in fiber, which retards conversion. It's not the best thing but in combination it's again perfectly fine. --Blair "I need more apples." |
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"big macbeth" > wrote: > i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, > and such. agree? > Meat... ;-d -- K. Sprout the MungBean to reply "I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell‹you see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain |
"big macbeth" > wrote in message ups.com... >i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, > and such. agree? Chocolate Green leafy vegetables Butter Lard EVOO Fish Shell fish, cured meats Beef, Pork, Lamb, Poultry Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Dimitri |
"big macbeth" > wrote in message ups.com... >i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, > and such. agree? Chocolate Green leafy vegetables Butter Lard EVOO Fish Shell fish, cured meats Beef, Pork, Lamb, Poultry Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Dimitri |
From top to bottom (i.e., from "eat sparingly" to "eat as much as humanly
possible"): Spam Vegemite Baalut Sea cucumbers Jellyfish That yucky green stuff your mom made you eat Any food whose packaging makes claims of "healthy" Items from vending machines Snacks eaten from a large bowl Alcohol Butter Lard Bacon Red meat Ice cream Cheese ChocolateChocolateChocolateChocolateChocolateChoco lateChocolateChocolate |
Karen wrote:
> Well, that's quite an argument you got there. > > Not. It sure would help if you'd quote some relevant portion of the message you are replying to, so people can figure out what you are talking about, especially with a virtually content-free post like yours. > Brian |
Karen wrote:
> Well, that's quite an argument you got there. > > Not. It sure would help if you'd quote some relevant portion of the message you are replying to, so people can figure out what you are talking about, especially with a virtually content-free post like yours. > Brian |
Dimitri wrote:
> "big macbeth" > wrote in message > ups.com... >> i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, >> and such. agree? > > Chocolate > Green leafy vegetables > Butter Lard EVOO > Fish Shell fish, cured meats > Beef, Pork, Lamb, Poultry > Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, > > > Dimitri That is just *perfect*! -- Juhana |
<<It sure would help if you'd quote some relevant portion of the
message you are replying to, so people can figure out what you are talking about, especially with a virtually content-free post like yours.>> I'm not sure why the new Google doesn't do this. I thought quoted text does appear to others, but apparently not. Sorry! Karen |
One time on Usenet, (Gal Called J.J.) said:
> Crossposting removed: > > One time on Usenet, "big macbeth" > said: > > > i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, > > and such. agree? > > Nope -- I think they ought to scrap the stupid thing altogether... Whoo hoo, I have the power! http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/diet....ramid.ap/index. html or http://tinyurl.com/5ogxs -- J.J. in WA ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~ "I rule you!" - Travis of the Cosmos, ATHF |
"Dimitri" > wrote in message . com... > > "big macbeth" > wrote in message > ups.com... > >i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, > > and such. agree? > > Chocolate > Green leafy vegetables > Butter Lard EVOO > Fish Shell fish, cured meats > Beef, Pork, Lamb, Poultry > Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, > > > Dimitri This looks like the rich Russian's Pyramid though the potatoes are missing. |
"Bob Myers" > wrote in message ... > From top to bottom (i.e., from "eat sparingly" to "eat as much as humanly > possible"): > > Spam > Vegemite Baalut > Sea cucumbers Jellyfish > That yucky green stuff your mom made you eat > Any food whose packaging makes claims of "healthy" > Items from vending machines Snacks eaten from a large bowl > Alcohol Butter Lard Bacon Red meat Ice cream > Cheese > ChocolateChocolateChocolateChocolateChocolateChoco lateChocolateChocolate This is the depressed female Australian's Pyramid though the beer is missing. |
John Que wrote:
> "Dimitri" > wrote in message > . com... >> >> "big macbeth" > wrote in message >> ups.com... >>> i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, >>> and such. agree? >> >> Chocolate >> Green leafy vegetables >> Butter Lard EVOO >> Fish Shell fish, cured meats >> Beef, Pork, Lamb, Poultry >> Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, >> >> >> Dimitri > > This looks like the rich Russian's Pyramid though the potatoes > are missing. Da. Dimitri has also forgotten raw sauerkraut and pickled cucumbers.The alcohol should be vodka. And absolutely no exercise except some Russian /ripaska/ folk dancing in between drinks. -- Juhana |
"Juhana Harju" > wrote in message ... <Snip> >>> Chocolate >>> Green leafy vegetables >>> Butter Lard EVOO >>> Fish Shell fish, cured meats >>> Beef, Pork, Lamb, Poultry >>> Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, >>> >>> >>> Dimitri >> >> This looks like the rich Russian's Pyramid though the potatoes >> are missing. > > Da. Dimitri has also forgotten raw sauerkraut and pickled cucumbers.The > alcohol should be vodka. And absolutely no exercise except some Russian > /ripaska/ folk dancing in between drinks. > > -- > Juhana Nope the Russian pyramid to follow: Caviar Beets, Pirog Butter, Sour Cream Potatoes, Cabbage, Onion, Kasha Beef, sausages, pork, chicken, fish, (optional) Vodka, Vodka,Vodka, Vodka,Vodka, Vodka, ;-) Dimitri > |
big macbeth wrote: > i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, > and such. agree? |
big macbeth wrote: > i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, > and such. agree? |
big macbeth wrote: > i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, > and such. agree? Hello, I just read all the funny things people wrote. They are actually very funny. My contribution will be more seriously. I know in my own experience that LIVE FOOD should be at the button of the pyramid. Live foods are raw vegetables, raw fruits, whole seeds and whole grains. Note: processed, caned or frozen fruits and vegetables loose their status of LIVE food; they are more like sugars o fiber. Why go live? Well, most of the nutrients are kept and that's the natural way. Also there is such thing called Vital Energy, which is kept in live fresh food and it is considered to me as other level of nutrition, maybe can be called spiritual nutrition. Check for example Indian's, Tibet's or any-other-spiritual culture's diet. Hope you find my contribution helpful |
On 14 Jan 2005 09:56:54 -0800, "
> wrote: >I know in my own experience that LIVE FOOD should be at the button of >the pyramid. > ... Check for example Indian's, Tibet's or any-other-spiritual >culture's diet. Check the Jain diet - a very strict Indian diet. No 'Live' food. No eating anything that might still have life in it - no roots, fallen fruit is preferred, no eating after dark, no keeping food, etc. |
On 14 Jan 2005 09:56:54 -0800, "
> wrote: >I know in my own experience that LIVE FOOD should be at the button of >the pyramid. > ... Check for example Indian's, Tibet's or any-other-spiritual >culture's diet. Check the Jain diet - a very strict Indian diet. No 'Live' food. No eating anything that might still have life in it - no roots, fallen fruit is preferred, no eating after dark, no keeping food, etc. |
On 14 Jan 2005 09:56:36 -0800, "
> wrote: > >big macbeth wrote: >> i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, >> and such. agree? T H E P H A R O A H <rj> |
Robert Klute > wrote:
>Check the Jain diet - a very strict Indian diet. No 'Live' food. No >eating anything that might still have life in it - no roots, fallen >fruit is preferred, no eating after dark, no keeping food, etc. So, I guess that means live goldfish are out? |
Robert Klute > wrote:
>Check the Jain diet - a very strict Indian diet. No 'Live' food. No >eating anything that might still have life in it - no roots, fallen >fruit is preferred, no eating after dark, no keeping food, etc. So, I guess that means live goldfish are out? |
Carey Gregory wrote:
> So, I guess that means live goldfish are out? > Yep, but the little guys in the cracker box are A-OK. Looking for Dead Doritos and Fettucine, Leigh Darnall |
Carey Gregory wrote:
> So, I guess that means live goldfish are out? > Yep, but the little guys in the cracker box are A-OK. Looking for Dead Doritos and Fettucine, Leigh Darnall |
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Katra > wrote: > In article . com>, > "big macbeth" > wrote: > > > i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice, > > and such. agree? > > > > Meat... > > ;-d Anything I wanna eat!! LT |
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