i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
and such. agree?

big macbeth wrote:
> i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
> and such. agree?

That is actually the case in the Ornish Food Pyramid.

http://www.veggit.com/

I would add nuts and fatty fish/ fish oils to the Pyramid.

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Crushed cross-posters

"big macbeth" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
> and such. agree?

Agreed. But, don't look for the gov't to change this anytime soon.
The pyramid isn't designed for the health of the nation, but rather
what is 'cost effective', so they can provide cheap slop for school lunch
programs, etc, and other gov't programs.
I once did a research paper on food additives/preservatives, and the
USDA/FDA, and discovered what I should have guessed long ago.
Uncle Sam doesn't care about your health. Uncle Sam would rather alter
serving sizes than force manufacturers to change then additives they use,
and that is just the tip of the iceberg.
So.. let's all be good citizens and eat more than a serving size of foods
that contain additives that could be harmful if eaten in large quantities..
so we can all croak before drawing social security, like nice obedient
citizens. <smirk> Ya, the info I found doing the paper made me kinda
cynical where the gov't is concerned.
lucy

Crossposting removed:

One time on Usenet, "big macbeth" > said:

> i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
> and such. agree?

Nope -- I think they ought to scrap the stupid thing altogether...


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On 12 Jan 2005 12:45:34 -0800, "big macbeth" >
wrote:

>i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
>and such. agree?

Have a look at the following URL:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio.../pyramids.html

You will notice that white rice, bread, potatoes, pasta, and sugar have
been moved 'up' to "eat sparingly". Now whole grains and plant oils are
at the bottom. Fruit and vegies are next.

On 12-Jan-2005, "big macbeth" > wrote:

> i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
> and such. agree?

Only if white bread and white rice is what the current arrangement
intended. However, I am sure the intent was the use of whole grains which
are vastly superior as the foundation. Fruit would be terrible in those
quantities because of high fructose and relative ease of conversion to
sugar. However, its your bottom - you may put on it what you like.


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_.-In rec.food.cooking, Juhana Harju wrote the following -._
> big macbeth wrote:
>> i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
>> and such. agree?
>
> That is actually the case in the Ornish Food Pyramid.
>
> http://www.veggit.com/

I can't trust any food pyramid that doesn't have carcass on it.
That little mouse on level two isn't carcass, it is compitition.

> I would add nuts and fatty fish/ fish oils to the Pyramid.

You would have ot add fish before fatty fish could be added.

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In . com> big macbeth
wrote:
> i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
> and such. agree?


Anything by McCains...


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Remove 'Elle-Kabong' to reply

Bullshit
"Karen" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> School lunch programs are a drop in the bucket when you compare that
> cost or savings to the cost that obesity is causing... health care,
> work production, etc.
>
> Uncle Sam does care about health because poor public health is costly.
> Karen
>

>i think fruits and veggies should be >at the bottom, not bread, rice,
>and such. agree?

I vote for beer, garlic, chile, and salt pork.
D.M.

Read "The Obesity Myth" by Paul Campos.

"Robert Klute" > wrote in message
...
> On 12 Jan 2005 12:45:34 -0800, "big macbeth" >
> wrote:
>
>>i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
>>and such. agree?
>
> Have a look at the following URL:
>
> http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio.../pyramids.html
>
> You will notice that white rice, bread, potatoes, pasta, and sugar have
> been moved 'up' to "eat sparingly". Now whole grains and plant oils are
> at the bottom. Fruit and vegies are next.

Looks good - regular exercise and whole foods as its base levels.

Gal Called J.J. wrote:
> big macbeth said:
>
> > i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread,
rice,
> > and such. agree?
>
> Nope -- I think they ought to scrap the stupid thing altogether...

A food pyramid should never have been written. It's idiocy wrapped
in politics and/or money interests.

The idea of "food groups" is equally trash. Eating grass gets its own
foog group and gets declared important? Hello indigestion for many
and goodbye healthy teeth for many. Eating grass does have some
good points but it is far from essential.

Carey Gregory wrote:
> wrote:
>
>
>>I vote for beer, garlic, chile, and salt pork.
>
>
> You left out fettuccine Alfredo and Doritos....
>

Together?!?

LD

Robert Klute > wrote:
>On 12 Jan 2005 12:45:34 -0800, "big macbeth" >
>wrote:
>>i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
>>and such. agree?
>
>Have a look at the following URL:
>
>http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio.../pyramids.html
>
>You will notice that white rice, bread, potatoes, pasta, and sugar have
>been moved 'up' to "eat sparingly". Now whole grains and plant oils are
>at the bottom. Fruit and vegies are next.

They've bought into the glycemic-index fad.

The whole "N servings per day" thing is utterly stupid.

Every meal has to be balanced properly, combining protein,
starchy carbs, and fibrous carbs, or you might as well
eat 2000 kcal per day of fried chicken and pancakes at
one sitting.

--Blair
"And the pyramid is really a triangle."

Nola > wrote:
>On 12-Jan-2005, "big macbeth" > wrote:
>
>> i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
>> and such. agree?
>
>Only if white bread and white rice is what the current arrangement
>intended. However, I am sure the intent was the use of whole grains which
>are vastly superior as the foundation.

"Vastly superior" = only if you don't combine foods.

If the white-flour bread is used in a low-fat-ham sandwich
with lettuce and tomatoes on it, the whole meal has a
moderate glycemic index and is perfectly fine.

>Fruit would be terrible in those
>quantities because of high fructose and relative ease of conversion to
>sugar. However, its your bottom - you may put on it what you like.

Fruit is high in fructose but it's also high in fiber, which
retards conversion. It's not the best thing but in combination
it's again perfectly fine.

--Blair
"I need more apples."

In article . com>,
"big macbeth" > wrote:

> i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
> and such. agree?
>

Meat...

;-d
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"big macbeth" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
> and such. agree?

Chocolate
Green leafy vegetables
Butter Lard EVOO
Fish Shell fish, cured meats
Beef, Pork, Lamb, Poultry
Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol,


Dimitri

"big macbeth" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
> and such. agree?

Chocolate
Green leafy vegetables
Butter Lard EVOO
Fish Shell fish, cured meats
Beef, Pork, Lamb, Poultry
Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol,


Dimitri

From top to bottom (i.e., from "eat sparingly" to "eat as much as humanly
possible"):

Spam
Vegemite Baalut
Sea cucumbers Jellyfish
That yucky green stuff your mom made you eat
Any food whose packaging makes claims of "healthy"
Items from vending machines Snacks eaten from a large bowl
Alcohol Butter Lard Bacon Red meat Ice cream
Cheese
ChocolateChocolateChocolateChocolateChocolateChoco lateChocolateChocolate

Karen wrote:
> Well, that's quite an argument you got there.
>
> Not.


It sure would help if you'd quote some relevant portion of the message
you are replying to, so people can figure out what you are talking
about, especially with a virtually content-free post like yours.
>



Brian

Karen wrote:
> Well, that's quite an argument you got there.
>
> Not.


It sure would help if you'd quote some relevant portion of the message
you are replying to, so people can figure out what you are talking
about, especially with a virtually content-free post like yours.
>



Brian

Dimitri wrote:
> "big macbeth" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
>> and such. agree?
>
> Chocolate
> Green leafy vegetables
> Butter Lard EVOO
> Fish Shell fish, cured meats
> Beef, Pork, Lamb, Poultry
> Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol,
>
>
> Dimitri

That is just *perfect*!

--
Juhana

<<It sure would help if you'd quote some relevant portion of the
message
you are replying to, so people can figure out what you are talking
about, especially with a virtually content-free post like yours.>>

I'm not sure why the new Google doesn't do this. I thought quoted text
does appear to others, but apparently not.

Sorry!
Karen

One time on Usenet, (Gal Called J.J.) said:
> Crossposting removed:
>
> One time on Usenet, "big macbeth" > said:
>
> > i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
> > and such. agree?
>
> Nope -- I think they ought to scrap the stupid thing altogether...

Whoo hoo, I have the power!

http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/diet....ramid.ap/index.
html

or

http://tinyurl.com/5ogxs


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"Dimitri" > wrote in message
. com...
>
> "big macbeth" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
> > and such. agree?
>
> Chocolate
> Green leafy vegetables
> Butter Lard EVOO
> Fish Shell fish, cured meats
> Beef, Pork, Lamb, Poultry
> Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol,
>
>
> Dimitri

This looks like the rich Russian's Pyramid though the potatoes
are missing.

"Bob Myers" > wrote in message
...
> From top to bottom (i.e., from "eat sparingly" to "eat as much as humanly
> possible"):
>
> Spam
> Vegemite Baalut
> Sea cucumbers Jellyfish
> That yucky green stuff your mom made you eat
> Any food whose packaging makes claims of "healthy"
> Items from vending machines Snacks eaten from a large bowl
> Alcohol Butter Lard Bacon Red meat Ice cream
> Cheese
> ChocolateChocolateChocolateChocolateChocolateChoco lateChocolateChocolate


This is the depressed female Australian's Pyramid though the beer is
missing.

John Que wrote:
> "Dimitri" > wrote in message
> . com...
>>
>> "big macbeth" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>>> i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
>>> and such. agree?
>>
>> Chocolate
>> Green leafy vegetables
>> Butter Lard EVOO
>> Fish Shell fish, cured meats
>> Beef, Pork, Lamb, Poultry
>> Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol,
>>
>>
>> Dimitri
>
> This looks like the rich Russian's Pyramid though the potatoes
> are missing.

Da. Dimitri has also forgotten raw sauerkraut and pickled cucumbers.The
alcohol should be vodka. And absolutely no exercise except some Russian
/ripaska/ folk dancing in between drinks.

--
Juhana

"Juhana Harju" > wrote in message
...

<Snip>

>>> Chocolate
>>> Green leafy vegetables
>>> Butter Lard EVOO
>>> Fish Shell fish, cured meats
>>> Beef, Pork, Lamb, Poultry
>>> Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol, Alcohol,
>>>
>>>
>>> Dimitri
>>
>> This looks like the rich Russian's Pyramid though the potatoes
>> are missing.
>
> Da. Dimitri has also forgotten raw sauerkraut and pickled cucumbers.The
> alcohol should be vodka. And absolutely no exercise except some Russian
> /ripaska/ folk dancing in between drinks.
>
> --
> Juhana

Nope the Russian pyramid to follow:

Caviar
Beets, Pirog
Butter, Sour Cream
Potatoes, Cabbage, Onion, Kasha
Beef, sausages, pork, chicken, fish, (optional)
Vodka, Vodka,Vodka, Vodka,Vodka, Vodka,


;-)

Dimitri
>

big macbeth wrote:
> i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
> and such. agree?

big macbeth wrote:
> i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
> and such. agree?

big macbeth wrote:
> i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
> and such. agree?

Hello, I just read all the funny things people wrote. They are actually
very funny.
My contribution will be more seriously.
I know in my own experience that LIVE FOOD should be at the button of
the pyramid.
Live foods are raw vegetables, raw fruits, whole seeds and whole
grains. Note: processed, caned or frozen fruits and vegetables loose
their status of LIVE food; they are more like sugars o fiber.
Why go live? Well, most of the nutrients are kept and that's the
natural way. Also there is such thing called Vital Energy, which is
kept in live fresh food and it is considered to me as other level of
nutrition, maybe can be called spiritual nutrition. Check for example
Indian's, Tibet's or any-other-spiritual culture's diet.
Hope you find my contribution helpful

On 14 Jan 2005 09:56:54 -0800, "
> wrote:


>I know in my own experience that LIVE FOOD should be at the button of
>the pyramid.
> ... Check for example Indian's, Tibet's or any-other-spiritual
>culture's diet.

Check the Jain diet - a very strict Indian diet. No 'Live' food. No
eating anything that might still have life in it - no roots, fallen
fruit is preferred, no eating after dark, no keeping food, etc.

On 14 Jan 2005 09:56:54 -0800, "
> wrote:


>I know in my own experience that LIVE FOOD should be at the button of
>the pyramid.
> ... Check for example Indian's, Tibet's or any-other-spiritual
>culture's diet.

Check the Jain diet - a very strict Indian diet. No 'Live' food. No
eating anything that might still have life in it - no roots, fallen
fruit is preferred, no eating after dark, no keeping food, etc.

On 14 Jan 2005 09:56:36 -0800, "
> wrote:

>
>big macbeth wrote:
>> i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
>> and such. agree?



T H E P H A R O A H
<rj>

Robert Klute > wrote:

>Check the Jain diet - a very strict Indian diet. No 'Live' food. No
>eating anything that might still have life in it - no roots, fallen
>fruit is preferred, no eating after dark, no keeping food, etc.

So, I guess that means live goldfish are out?

Robert Klute > wrote:

>Check the Jain diet - a very strict Indian diet. No 'Live' food. No
>eating anything that might still have life in it - no roots, fallen
>fruit is preferred, no eating after dark, no keeping food, etc.

So, I guess that means live goldfish are out?

Carey Gregory wrote:

> So, I guess that means live goldfish are out?
>

Yep, but the little guys in the cracker box are A-OK.

Looking for Dead Doritos and Fettucine,
Leigh Darnall

Carey Gregory wrote:

> So, I guess that means live goldfish are out?
>

Yep, but the little guys in the cracker box are A-OK.

Looking for Dead Doritos and Fettucine,
Leigh Darnall

In article >,
Katra > wrote:

> In article . com>,
> "big macbeth" > wrote:
>
> > i think fruits and veggies should be at the bottom, not bread, rice,
> > and such. agree?
> >
>
> Meat...
>
> ;-d

Anything I wanna eat!!

LT