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Rick & Cyndi 19-02-2004 11:25 PM

OT - Kroger Store bites... RANT!
 
Aarrgghh!!! As usual - shopping was not a pleasure...
unfortunately, it's the largest grocer around us so unless I want
to drive a few hours... I don't have any other real choices.

Anyway... they've remodeled so this week is their Grand
(re)opening... blah, blah, blah. As expected, the shelves don't
really hold anything different from what they used to... so I
just ran through and stocked up on some of the meat sales and a
few odds and ends. Here's where the frustration really got me
muttering and I *will* be writing a complaint because this sh&%
keeps happening... arrgghhh!!! I bought those 100 % juice juice
box drinks for Nathan... I bought some supposedly vine-ripe
tomatoes, yogurt (what's with those stupid foil tops that break
when you don't want them to and yet you can't open them when
you're starving?!), milk, a few canned goods (okay, here's the
one positive thing I noticed - they're *finally* carrying a few
of the Ro-Tel tomatoes), and a bunch of other stuff to fill the
basket... Fast forward to emptying the bags at home when... S C
R E A M!! On the bottom of a bag full of canned goods are my
bananas... in one of the bags of the juice boxes are my
vine-ripened tomatoes and my big bag of lettuce is sandwiched
with frozen food! There was also something heavy in the bag with
the loaf of bread... AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!! I hate that store, I
hate that store, I HATE THAT STORE!!!!! They still can't bother
to order any white wine vinegar either!!! Stupid muckity
muck.... !!!! Ow - a vein just blew!! Not really, but stupid
crap like this really busts my chops.

OB: I sliced up one of the now bruised tomatoes and sprinkled on
some delicious Brady Street Seasoning from Penzeys. Very, very
tasty.
--
Cyndi
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Dan Levy 19-02-2004 11:37 PM

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Moral: always check the organization of your bags before leaving the store,
where you can grab more bags if needed to isolate fragile and cold stuff.
The fragile items may have actually been put on top of the heavy items by
the bagger, but stuff can shift around in transit.



Harvey R. Stone 20-02-2004 12:34 AM

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"Rick & Cyndi" > wrote in message
news:zBbZb.80923$uV3.537834@attbi_s51...
> Aarrgghh!!! As usual - shopping was not a pleasure...
> unfortunately, it's the largest grocer around us so unless I want
> to drive a few hours... I don't have any other real choices.
>


Kroger is also the biggest and closest store in my neighborhood. I am very
lucky because both of ours are fairly good. One of them employs sackers who
have been there for years and are very good. Stuff gets sacked correctly and
they take it to the car. I have noticed that both stores are very reflective
of the managers. If you have a good manager you probably have a good a
store. They do transfer pretty often. They of course are not perfect but
they are pretty clean and over all I am satisfied. Maybe your store will get
better.
Phyl



Donna Rose 20-02-2004 12:37 AM

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In article <zBbZb.80923$uV3.537834@attbi_s51>,
says...
>On the bottom of a bag full of canned goods are my
>bananas... in one of the bags of the juice boxes are my
>vine-ripened tomatoes and my big bag of lettuce is sandwiched
>with frozen food! There was also something heavy in the bag with
>the loaf of bread... AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!
>

Don't know what kind of manager that store has, but I do know that if I
went to the manager of my supermarket and complained about groceries
being crushed because of being poorly packed, he'd be offering to replace
them for me. Not only that, but he'd want to know that he had an
employee who was so poorly packing groceries as to cause damage to not
only the groceries, but to the store's good will.

I think it's fine to vent here, but unless you let him know about the
problems, they're likely to occur again.
--
Donna
A pessimist believes all women are bad. An optimist hopes they are.

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Rick & Cyndi 20-02-2004 12:44 AM

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"Dan Levy" > wrote in message
...
: Moral: always check the organization of your bags before
leaving the store,
: where you can grab more bags if needed to isolate fragile and
cold stuff.
: The fragile items may have actually been put on top of the
heavy items by
: the bagger, but stuff can shift around in transit.
:
: =======

Couldn't - too busy unloading cart to watch the silly waif...!
Doesn't matter - she bagged the items WRONG!! You don't put in 4
little tomatoes with a huge box of juices. WRONG. You don't put
bruisable (sp?) bananas with canned goods... that would be... you
guessed it... WRONG! You don't put heavy items with a single
loaf of bread either.

These people are either not trained properly or don't care. On
top of that - unless you like to hear back biting and quibbling -
you *definitely* don't go in during evening hours either!

That store is sooooo wrong in soooo many ways... but if you're in
a time crunch and don't want to drive a couple hours *one way* to
go to a decent store...

AAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHPAERIO68508IQWP3UBGVUPADY6RTIPUGB HWERO7GYW[9EO4I
THWIS7DZFBYG[OW'I45EHBYP8WSRUGHIOW4B5IP1!!!!!!!!!!!

Again, did I mention just how much I hate that store?
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Cyndi
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Anthony 20-02-2004 01:48 AM

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"Donna Rose" > wrote in message

Don't know what kind of manager that store has, but I do know that if I
> went to the manager of my supermarket and complained about groceries
> being crushed because of being poorly packed, he'd be offering to replace
> them for me. Not only that, but he'd want to know that he had an
> employee who was so poorly packing groceries as to cause damage to not
> only the groceries, but to the store's good will.
>
> I think it's fine to vent here, but unless you let him know about the
> problems, they're likely to occur again.
> --

Quite right. Also the OP should think about whether it's worth getting this
upset over a little bump in the road of life. If she does then maybe
medication would help.



Rick & Cyndi 20-02-2004 02:20 AM

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"Anthony" > wrote in message
...
:
: "Donna Rose" > wrote in message
:
: Don't know what kind of manager that store has, but I do know
that if I
: > went to the manager of my supermarket and complained about
groceries
: > being crushed because of being poorly packed, he'd be
offering to replace
: > them for me. Not only that, but he'd want to know that he
had an
: > employee who was so poorly packing groceries as to cause
damage to not
: > only the groceries, but to the store's good will.
: >
: > I think it's fine to vent here, but unless you let him know
about the
: > problems, they're likely to occur again.
: > --
: Quite right. Also the OP should think about whether it's worth
getting this
: upset over a little bump in the road of life. If she does then
maybe
: medication would help.
:
: =============

Humph! Yes I do and no it hasn't!

This ****es me off. There is NO excuse for most of their baggers
to REPEATEDLY bag groceries improperly. I'd bag my own but the
do it yourself lanes are for 15 items or less and I do not intend
on going up and down the aisles, check out, load my car, repeat,
repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat.

It's stupid. If I didn't already own this house I truly would up
and move just to be near a decent grocery store. Unfortunately,
before moving to this town we had no idea that the grocery store
was this poorly managed and staffed even worse!

On the other hand - my original post was marked "OT" and "Rant"
therefore... well...uhhh... back off, please. I wasn't looking
for negative comments especially since I already dealt with
enough crap today.



Jessica Vincent 20-02-2004 03:19 AM

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"Rick & Cyndi" > wrote in message
news:zBbZb.80923$uV3.537834@attbi_s51...
> Aarrgghh!!! As usual - shopping was not a pleasure...
> unfortunately, it's the largest grocer around us so unless I want
> to drive a few hours... I don't have any other real choices.
>
> Anyway... they've remodeled so this week is their Grand
> (re)opening... blah, blah, blah. As expected, the shelves don't
> really hold anything different from what they used to... so I
> just ran through and stocked up on some of the meat sales and a
> few odds and ends. Here's where the frustration really got me
> muttering and I *will* be writing a complaint because this sh&%
> keeps happening... arrgghhh!!! I bought those 100 % juice juice
> box drinks for Nathan... I bought some supposedly vine-ripe
> tomatoes, yogurt (what's with those stupid foil tops that break
> when you don't want them to and yet you can't open them when
> you're starving?!), milk, a few canned goods (okay, here's the
> one positive thing I noticed - they're *finally* carrying a few
> of the Ro-Tel tomatoes), and a bunch of other stuff to fill the
> basket... Fast forward to emptying the bags at home when... S C
> R E A M!! On the bottom of a bag full of canned goods are my
> bananas... in one of the bags of the juice boxes are my
> vine-ripened tomatoes and my big bag of lettuce is sandwiched
> with frozen food! There was also something heavy in the bag with
> the loaf of bread... AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!! I hate that store, I
> hate that store, I HATE THAT STORE!!!!! They still can't bother
> to order any white wine vinegar either!!! Stupid muckity
> muck.... !!!! Ow - a vein just blew!! Not really, but stupid
> crap like this really busts my chops.
>
> OB: I sliced up one of the now bruised tomatoes and sprinkled on
> some delicious Brady Street Seasoning from Penzeys. Very, very
> tasty.
> --
> Cyndi
> <Remove a "b" to reply>
>
>

Hi Cyndi...

I feel your pain. Unless the bagger du jour at the grocery store I shop at
is one that I know does a good job...seems to be the ladies 30+ and the part
time retirees, I pack my own groceries. Doesn't make me popular with the
baggers, some cashiers get annoyed, but I don't end up with bananas ready
for banana bread and tomatoes ready for the sauce pot or worse my bok choy
in the same bag as a leaking bottle of shampoo, chicken with lettuce is
another teenage bagger specialty. I'd talk to customer service or the store
manager, I've always found that they would replace the damaged groceries.

Jessica



Saerah 20-02-2004 04:11 AM

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Jessica Vincent wrote in message ...
>
>"Rick & Cyndi" > wrote in message
>news:zBbZb.80923$uV3.537834@attbi_s51...
>> Aarrgghh!!! As usual - shopping was not a pleasure...
>> unfortunately, it's the largest grocer around us so unless I want
>> to drive a few hours... I don't have any other real choices.
>>
>> Anyway... they've remodeled so this week is their Grand
>> (re)opening... blah, blah, blah. As expected, the shelves don't
>> really hold anything different from what they used to... so I
>> just ran through and stocked up on some of the meat sales and a
>> few odds and ends. Here's where the frustration really got me
>> muttering and I *will* be writing a complaint because this sh&%
>> keeps happening... arrgghhh!!! I bought those 100 % juice juice
>> box drinks for Nathan... I bought some supposedly vine-ripe
>> tomatoes, yogurt (what's with those stupid foil tops that break
>> when you don't want them to and yet you can't open them when
>> you're starving?!), milk, a few canned goods (okay, here's the
>> one positive thing I noticed - they're *finally* carrying a few
>> of the Ro-Tel tomatoes), and a bunch of other stuff to fill the
>> basket... Fast forward to emptying the bags at home when... S C
>> R E A M!! On the bottom of a bag full of canned goods are my
>> bananas... in one of the bags of the juice boxes are my
>> vine-ripened tomatoes and my big bag of lettuce is sandwiched
>> with frozen food! There was also something heavy in the bag with
>> the loaf of bread... AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!! I hate that store, I
>> hate that store, I HATE THAT STORE!!!!! They still can't bother
>> to order any white wine vinegar either!!! Stupid muckity
>> muck.... !!!! Ow - a vein just blew!! Not really, but stupid
>> crap like this really busts my chops.
>>
>> OB: I sliced up one of the now bruised tomatoes and sprinkled on
>> some delicious Brady Street Seasoning from Penzeys. Very, very
>> tasty.
>> --
>> Cyndi
>> <Remove a "b" to reply>
>>
>>

>Hi Cyndi...
>
>I feel your pain. Unless the bagger du jour at the grocery store I shop at
>is one that I know does a good job...seems to be the ladies 30+ and the

part
>time retirees, I pack my own groceries. Doesn't make me popular with the
>baggers, some cashiers get annoyed, but I don't end up with bananas ready
>for banana bread and tomatoes ready for the sauce pot or worse my bok choy
>in the same bag as a leaking bottle of shampoo, chicken with lettuce is
>another teenage bagger specialty. I'd talk to customer service or the

store
>manager, I've always found that they would replace the damaged groceries.
>


I work as a cashier in a grocery store. right now we have no bagger, and we
bag the groceries ourselves. the only time it is annoying is when said
customer takes an extremely long time to bag their groceries, and the lines
get backed up because of it. or when a customer insists that they only want
one bag, and that it be 'not heavy' :)
i rang up a woman a few weeks ago who started yelling at me after she put
one of the bags i packed for her (she asked that i pack the bags light) in
her cart. she said it was too heavy, and that i should have listened to her.
there was one item in the bag, a rather large rib roast. what was i supposed
to do, cut it up into smaller pieces for her?
IMO, all meats, fish, poultry, and frozen items need to be packed in plastic
(or at least wrapped in it) to avoid leakage causing contamination/paper bag
breakage. i generally pack produce items together, with squashable items on
top of things that can cushion them (lettuce, greens, etc.), which go on top
of more hardy produce items, like potatoes and onions. glass bottles get put
in paper sleeves to prevent breakage. cans go on the bottom, lighter boxes
on top. it bugs me how i have to *explain* this to new cashiers, who will
put a dripping whole chicken in with a head of lettuce.
we also give 10 cents for each bag you bring back and *use*. i keep getting
morons bringing back 15 bags, using two, and then complaining that they
didnt get their "full" credit for bags. or this one very special woman who
had a large capacity canvas bag for her groceries (her groceries would have
fit inside 2 paper bags, most likely). she insisted that since her bag was
so large, she should get an extra 10 cents off her bill. of course, shes
spent over 200$ on mostly vitamins and things, and that 10 cents is *so*
important. bleh.
<end rant>

--
Saerah

TANSTAAFL

Hangovers only last a day, but a good drinking story lives on forever....








Tony P. 20-02-2004 04:26 AM

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In article <zBbZb.80923$uV3.537834@attbi_s51>,
says...
> Aarrgghh!!! As usual - shopping was not a pleasure...
> unfortunately, it's the largest grocer around us so unless I want
> to drive a few hours... I don't have any other real choices.


I snipped the bagging behavior - because it's like that no matter where
you go. It's what you get when you have minimum wage help bagging.

Occasionally you'll run across one with a brain - but I've found a safer
policy since I almost always use the express lane. I simply feed the
items to the cashier as I want them bagged. Works out perfectly.


Tony P. 20-02-2004 04:29 AM

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In article t>,
says...
> In article <zBbZb.80923$uV3.537834@attbi_s51>,

> says...
> >On the bottom of a bag full of canned goods are my
> >bananas... in one of the bags of the juice boxes are my
> >vine-ripened tomatoes and my big bag of lettuce is sandwiched
> >with frozen food! There was also something heavy in the bag with
> >the loaf of bread... AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!
> >

> Don't know what kind of manager that store has, but I do know that if I
> went to the manager of my supermarket and complained about groceries
> being crushed because of being poorly packed, he'd be offering to replace
> them for me. Not only that, but he'd want to know that he had an
> employee who was so poorly packing groceries as to cause damage to not
> only the groceries, but to the store's good will.
>
> I think it's fine to vent here, but unless you let him know about the
> problems, they're likely to occur again.
>


So true. A good manager wants to be sure his baggers know what they're
doing because it costs the store both in damaged goods and in customer
goodwill.


Rick & Cyndi 20-02-2004 04:41 AM

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"Jessica Vincent" < & Cyndi" chatted about abuse from grocery
stores... LOL


: >
: Hi Cyndi...
:
: I feel your pain. Unless the bagger du jour at the grocery
store I shop at
: is one that I know does a good job...seems to be the ladies 30+
and the part
: time retirees, I pack my own groceries. Doesn't make me
popular with the
: baggers, some cashiers get annoyed, but I don't end up with
bananas ready
: for banana bread and tomatoes ready for the sauce pot or worse
my bok choy
: in the same bag as a leaking bottle of shampoo, chicken with
lettuce is
: another teenage bagger specialty. I'd talk to customer service
or the store
: manager, I've always found that they would replace the damaged
groceries.
:
: Jessica
:
:==========

Thanks Jessica.

Yeah. <sigh>

I have calmed down but I will definitely be writing a letter of
complaint. I have tried to be nice and patient and have even
told myself that the bagger du jour (I like that!) was new and
just felt rushed... but it's frustrating. What makes it even
worse is that I can't get some of the items I want. When I've
requested them I'm also told that if I would bring them a UPC
that they'd be happy to try to get that item for me. Uh, excuse
me, if I had the UPC then I'd probably still have the item... I
digress... sorry.

I've requested: white wine vinegar (any brand they can get),
pearl sugar (the large white granular type that occasionally tops
muffins), frozen winter squash (it's pureed... Bird's Eye, Green
Giant... anybody, really!)...

<sigh>

Anyway, thanks for understanding.
--
Cyndi
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Mark Thorson 20-02-2004 04:44 AM

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Rick & Cyndi wrote:

> Aarrgghh!!! As usual - shopping was not a pleasure...


I feel your pain. Just today, I bought carrots, turnips,
canteloupe, and tomatoes . . . and guess what?
They put the carrots with the tomatoes and the
turnips with the canteloupe! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!!!

What kind of low-wage help are they hiring, that
can't even put the C-foods in one bag and the
T-foods in another?

Just last week, AT THE SAME STORE, they put
apples together in the same bag with zucchini!!!

They must be trying to KILL me! They must know
that I know about the secret tunnels under the store
where they keep the GOOD carrots that they don't
put out until after I leave! But I'm on to that trick!
I come back about an hour later, and THEN I get
the GOOD carrots. Ha! :-)




Rick & Cyndi 20-02-2004 04:50 AM

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"Saerah" ,Jessica & Cyndi" talked a bit...

: >Hi Cyndi...
: >
: >I feel your pain. Unless the bagger du jour at the grocery
store I shop at
: >is one that I know does a good job...seems to be the ladies
30+ and the
: part
: >time retirees, I pack my own groceries. Doesn't make me
popular with the
: >baggers, some cashiers get annoyed, but I don't end up with
bananas ready
: >for banana bread and tomatoes ready for the sauce pot or worse
my bok choy
: >in the same bag as a leaking bottle of shampoo, chicken with
lettuce is
: >another teenage bagger specialty. I'd talk to customer
service or the
: store
: >manager, I've always found that they would replace the damaged
groceries.
: >
:
: I work as a cashier in a grocery store. right now we have no
bagger, and we
: bag the groceries ourselves. the only time it is annoying is
when said
: customer takes an extremely long time to bag their groceries,
and the lines
: get backed up because of it. or when a customer insists that
they only want
: one bag, and that it be 'not heavy' :)
: i rang up a woman a few weeks ago who started yelling at me
after she put
: one of the bags i packed for her (she asked that i pack the
bags light) in
: her cart. she said it was too heavy, and that i should have
listened to her.
: there was one item in the bag, a rather large rib roast. what
was i supposed
: to do, cut it up into smaller pieces for her?
: IMO, all meats, fish, poultry, and frozen items need to be
packed in plastic
: (or at least wrapped in it) to avoid leakage causing
contamination/paper bag
: breakage. i generally pack produce items together, with
squashable items on
: top of things that can cushion them (lettuce, greens, etc.),
which go on top
: of more hardy produce items, like potatoes and onions. glass
bottles get put
: in paper sleeves to prevent breakage. cans go on the bottom,
lighter boxes
: on top. it bugs me how i have to *explain* this to new
cashiers, who will
: put a dripping whole chicken in with a head of lettuce.
: we also give 10 cents for each bag you bring back and *use*. i
keep getting
: morons bringing back 15 bags, using two, and then complaining
that they
: didnt get their "full" credit for bags. or this one very
special woman who
: had a large capacity canvas bag for her groceries (her
groceries would have
: fit inside 2 paper bags, most likely). she insisted that since
her bag was
: so large, she should get an extra 10 cents off her bill. of
course, shes
: spent over 200$ on mostly vitamins and things, and that 10
cents is *so*
: important. bleh.
: <end rant>
:
: --
: Saerah
:
========

So Saerah... any chance you want to move to Armpit, Illinois? We
could REALLY use your talents. Seriously!

Yeah, some people do, some people don't and some people won't.
Whatcha gonna do? <snort> I try not to get people in trouble and
with most things I really do try to give the benefit of doubt and
I realize sometimes things "just happen"... unfortunately, this
happen virtually every time at this store but either everyone
else keeps giving them the benefit of doubt like I have or...
since they've pretty much got the monopoly of the business...
<shrug>.

I dunno. I'm just tired. {Now I've got Bill Cosby's voice in my
head... "sick..." "Tired. Mommy, you forgot to say tired..."}
--
Cyndi
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Rick & Cyndi 20-02-2004 04:57 AM

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"Tony P." > wrote in
message .. .
: In article <zBbZb.80923$uV3.537834@attbi_s51>,

: says...
: > Aarrgghh!!! As usual - shopping was not a pleasure...
: > unfortunately, it's the largest grocer around us so unless I
want
: > to drive a few hours... I don't have any other real choices.
:
: I snipped the bagging behavior - because it's like that no
matter where
: you go. It's what you get when you have minimum wage help
bagging.
:
: Occasionally you'll run across one with a brain - but I've
found a safer
: policy since I almost always use the express lane. I simply
feed the
: items to the cashier as I want them bagged. Works out
perfectly.
: =======

But that's what I did!! That's what makes it so bad... well,
sort of... I grouped everything as I wanted them bagged... but
the waif at the end let things pile up and then bagged them
willy-nilly. As busy as it was and as many groceries as I had
( $300.13 with a savings of $ 98.xx saving .24 % of total..blah,
blah, blah) I couldn't simply put 8 items on the belt... wait...
4 items on the belt... Honey, if I knew what was going to
happen - I might have tried to do that slowly but it wouldn't
have been a nice thing to do to the cashier. She (cashier) was
very lovely. She even bagged a few of the items - properly, I
might add...

Again, since this store is so frustrating I try to only shop
there once a month just so I don't have to go through this every
week or couple of days. Frustration aside when you can save a
couple of $$ per pound of beef and get gallons of milk for only
$0.99 you have to bite the bullet, rant on a newsgroup (thank
you, by the way!), and write complaint letters to every single
executive involved with this stinking grokklkfgkarhgaoerig !!!!
Dookies!

Sorry... That Jekel/Hide thing started happening again.

--
Cyndi
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Rick & Cyndi 20-02-2004 04:58 AM

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"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
: Rick & Cyndi wrote:
:
: > Aarrgghh!!! As usual - shopping was not a pleasure...
:
: I feel your pain. Just today, I bought carrots, turnips,
: canteloupe, and tomatoes . . . and guess what?
: They put the carrots with the tomatoes and the
: turnips with the canteloupe! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!!!
:
: What kind of low-wage help are they hiring, that
: can't even put the C-foods in one bag and the
: T-foods in another?
:
: Just last week, AT THE SAME STORE, they put
: apples together in the same bag with zucchini!!!
:
: They must be trying to KILL me! They must know
: that I know about the secret tunnels under the store
: where they keep the GOOD carrots that they don't
: put out until after I leave! But I'm on to that trick!
: I come back about an hour later, and THEN I get
: the GOOD carrots. Ha! :-)
:
: =====

Thanks Mark. I needed that.



Jane Doe 20-02-2004 04:58 AM

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"Rick & Cyndi" > wrote in message
news:zBbZb.80923$uV3.537834@attbi_s51...
> Aarrgghh!!! As usual - shopping was not a pleasure...
> unfortunately, it's the largest grocer around us so unless I want
> to drive a few hours... I don't have any other real choices.
>
> Anyway... they've remodeled so this week is their Grand
> (re)opening... blah, blah, blah. As expected, the shelves don't
> really hold anything different from what they used to... so I
> just ran through and stocked up on some of the meat sales and a
> few odds and ends. Here's where the frustration really got me
> muttering and I *will* be writing a complaint because this sh&%
> keeps happening... arrgghhh!!! I bought those 100 % juice juice
> box drinks for Nathan... I bought some supposedly vine-ripe
> tomatoes, yogurt (what's with those stupid foil tops that break
> when you don't want them to and yet you can't open them when
> you're starving?!), milk, a few canned goods (okay, here's the
> one positive thing I noticed - they're *finally* carrying a few
> of the Ro-Tel tomatoes), and a bunch of other stuff to fill the
> basket... Fast forward to emptying the bags at home when... S C
> R E A M!! On the bottom of a bag full of canned goods are my
> bananas... in one of the bags of the juice boxes are my
> vine-ripened tomatoes and my big bag of lettuce is sandwiched
> with frozen food! There was also something heavy in the bag with
> the loaf of bread... AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!! I hate that store, I
> hate that store, I HATE THAT STORE!!!!! They still can't bother
> to order any white wine vinegar either!!! Stupid muckity
> muck.... !!!! Ow - a vein just blew!! Not really, but stupid
> crap like this really busts my chops.
>
> OB: I sliced up one of the now bruised tomatoes and sprinkled on
> some delicious Brady Street Seasoning from Penzeys. Very, very
> tasty.
> --
> Cyndi
> <Remove a "b" to reply>
>
>


You sound like a fat spoiled ****. Why don't you watch your precious
groceries when they are being bagged? Take your Penzeys and shove it up
your arse, ****.



Jane Doe 20-02-2004 05:01 AM

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"Rick & Cyndi" > wrote in message
news:fMcZb.79730$jk2.420994@attbi_s53...
> "Dan Levy" > wrote in message
> ...
> : Moral: always check the organization of your bags before
> leaving the store,
> : where you can grab more bags if needed to isolate fragile and
> cold stuff.
> : The fragile items may have actually been put on top of the
> heavy items by
> : the bagger, but stuff can shift around in transit.
> :
> : =======
>
> Couldn't - too busy unloading cart to watch the silly waif...!
> Doesn't matter - she bagged the items WRONG!! You don't put in 4
> little tomatoes with a huge box of juices. WRONG. You don't put
> bruisable (sp?) bananas with canned goods... that would be... you
> guessed it... WRONG! You don't put heavy items with a single
> loaf of bread either.
>
> These people are either not trained properly or don't care. On
> top of that - unless you like to hear back biting and quibbling -
> you *definitely* don't go in during evening hours either!
>
> That store is sooooo wrong in soooo many ways... but if you're in
> a time crunch and don't want to drive a couple hours *one way* to
> go to a decent store...
>
> AAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHPAERIO68508IQWP3UBGVUPADY6RTIPUGB HWERO7GYW[9EO4I
> THWIS7DZFBYG[OW'I45EHBYP8WSRUGHIOW4B5IP1!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Again, did I mention just how much I hate that store?
> --
> Cyndi
> <Remove a "b" to reply>
>
>


Perhaps you could grow your own food. Or is that too much for your fat ass
to handle? LOL



Jane Doe 20-02-2004 05:02 AM

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"Anthony" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Donna Rose" > wrote in message
>
> Don't know what kind of manager that store has, but I do know that if I
> > went to the manager of my supermarket and complained about groceries
> > being crushed because of being poorly packed, he'd be offering to

replace
> > them for me. Not only that, but he'd want to know that he had an
> > employee who was so poorly packing groceries as to cause damage to not
> > only the groceries, but to the store's good will.
> >
> > I think it's fine to vent here, but unless you let him know about the
> > problems, they're likely to occur again.
> > --

> Quite right. Also the OP should think about whether it's worth getting

this
> upset over a little bump in the road of life. If she does then maybe
> medication would help.
>
>


Heh, good call.



MareCat 20-02-2004 05:28 AM

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On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 00:44:59 GMT, "Rick & Cyndi"
> wrote:

>"Dan Levy" > wrote in message
...
>: Moral: always check the organization of your bags before
>leaving the store,
>: where you can grab more bags if needed to isolate fragile and
>cold stuff.
>: The fragile items may have actually been put on top of the
>heavy items by
>: the bagger, but stuff can shift around in transit.
>:
>: =======
>
>Couldn't - too busy unloading cart to watch the silly waif...!


In the Kroger stores in the Houston suburb where I live, the checkout
clerks load the groceries onto the conveyor belt. We also have pretty
decent baggers. And our food selection is very good also.

I'd probably start bagging stuff myself if I were you.

DJS0302 20-02-2004 05:46 AM

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Saerah wrote:
>
>
>I work as a cashier in a grocery store. right now we have no bagger, and we
>bag the groceries ourselves. the only time it is annoying is when said
>customer takes an extremely long time to bag their groceries, and the lines
>get backed up because of it. or when a customer insists that they only want
>one bag, and that it be 'not heavy' :)
>i rang up a woman a few weeks ago who started yelling at me after she put
>one of the bags i packed for her (she asked that i pack the bags light) in
>her cart. she said it was too heavy, and that i should have listened to her.
>there was one item in the bag, a rather large rib roast. what was i supposed
>to do, cut it up into smaller pieces for her?


I used to work as a grocery checker and I too had an old woman one time who
insisted that I not pack her grocery bags too heavy. I would put 4 small cans
in a bag and she would say it was too heavy. So I would have to take two of
them out. All she did was nag. When she wanted the milk in a bag she
complained that the bag was too heavy. She bought a gallon jug of milk and it
was the only thing in the bag. How can you make a full gallon jug of milk less
heavy? Finally I had had enough so I packed one item per bag. If she bought a
bottle of aspirin, it went in a bag by itself. If she bought a pack of gum, it
went in a bag by itself.

Frogleg 20-02-2004 12:13 PM

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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:37:55 -0600, "Dan Levy" >
wrote:

>Moral: always check the organization of your bags before leaving the store,
>where you can grab more bags if needed to isolate fragile and cold stuff.
>The fragile items may have actually been put on top of the heavy items by
>the bagger, but stuff can shift around in transit.


I watched the finals of a grocery-bagging 'championship' a number of
years ago, and the emphasis was on 'no soft stuff at the bottom with
heavy stuff on top' and producing balanced (paper) bags of similar
weight. Ideal for me. My current grocery baggers have evidently been
trained to put same with same -- that is, one bag gets three 2-ltr
bottles of soda; another anything frozen or refrigerated; another all
the canned goods; and the last with a bag of chips and box of Kleenex.
This may be handy for putting things away at home, but it's a bear for
dragging things in and out of the car.

Bagging your own stuff (common in Europe, I believe) can reduce these
problems. Also, check the cash register tape before you leave. I've
got to take my most recent one back and mention that I didn't get
parsley at 99-cents a bunch, but cilantro at 69. Every time I don't
check, this happens...

Siobhan Perricone 20-02-2004 12:40 PM

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On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 02:20:12 GMT, "Rick & Cyndi"
> wrote:

>This ****es me off. There is NO excuse for most of their baggers
>to REPEATEDLY bag groceries improperly. I'd bag my own but the
>do it yourself lanes are for 15 items or less and I do not intend
>on going up and down the aisles, check out, load my car, repeat,
>repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat.


I always go shopping with my husband. I unload the cart, he bags. Works
just fine. :)

--
Siobhan Perricone
The actions taken by the New Hampshire Episcopalians are an affront to
Christians everywhere. I am just thankful that the church's founder, Henry
VIII, and his wife Catherine of Aragon, his wife Anne Boleyn, his wife Jane
Seymour, his wife Anne of Cleves, his wife Catherine Howard and his wife
Catherine Parr are no longer here to suffer through this assault on our
"traditional Christian marriage."
- Owen Keavney

Nathalie Chiva 20-02-2004 01:22 PM

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Frogleg a écrit :

> Bagging your own stuff (common in Europe, I believe) can reduce these
> problems.


Not only common - it's the only way. Reading this thread, I don't regret it....

Nathalie in Switzerland


Nancy Young 20-02-2004 02:45 PM

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Dog3 wrote:

> Sounds like a chain we used to have here. The shopping experience at
> National was hit or miss, depending on which store you shopped at. I'll
> never forget the time a bakery cake was put in the bag upside down. I
> marched in to speak to the manager (I noticed the cake when putting the
> groceries in the car). He was really snotty about it but did reimburse me
> for the cake.


Wow, had you done something to **** off all the store employees, that
is just ridiculous. Too funny. They'd better reimburse you, duh.
What is it with customer service being snotty? I guess having to
deal with complainers all day gets old, but geez.

I did once complain to the headquarters about a customer service guy.
Actually I complained about a couple of things, I really was annoyed.
So, I got a nice long note from the store manager, she said she had
called a staff meeting and given them the word on how you treat the
customers and how to ring up meat so it doesn't multiply the price
by 10. Yikes, I blushed. Then she said, I would like to meet
you, and I have left a $25 certificate for you at the customer service
desk. Yeah, I'm picking that up!!! Hi, I'm the one who complained
about you, can I have my certificate? Sure, right after I tattoo
BITCH on your forehead, lady. (laugh)

nancy

The Ranger 20-02-2004 04:02 PM

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Cyndi, of the Rick & Cyndi Duet, > vented (again)
in message news:fMcZb.79730$jk2.420994@attbi_s53...
[snip]
> Again, did I mention just how much I hate that store?


No, I don't seem to remember you doing so...

The Ranger



The Ranger 20-02-2004 04:13 PM

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Anthony > took a hit from his bong and posted in message
...
[snip]
> [..] Also the OP should think about whether it's worth
> getting this upset over a little bump in the road of life.
> If she does then maybe medication would help.


Dude... Did you like toke on some bad oregano? You are SO unrighteously
wrong on every level.

If I'd gotten home to find several items crushed, squished, and damaged from
improper packing, I'd be back in the car and having the manager personally
replacing them, time constraints to be elsewhere be damned. You just wasted
60-90 minutes getting the groceries the first time, picking the vegetables
YOU wanted, that passed your inspections.

Even after taking my pound of flesh, I would still write A Letter to
Corporate and the local consumer advocates. If the baggers are so poorly
trained that they can't do something so obviously simple, then there are
problems that are running deeper that require deep cuts and personnel
movements.

I don't understand "customers" like you that willingly accept abuse.

The Ranger



kilikini 20-02-2004 04:45 PM

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"Harvey R. Stone" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Rick & Cyndi" > wrote in message
> news:iegZb.362200$na.549292@attbi_s04...
> .
> >
> >>

> >
> > I have calmed down but I will definitely be writing a letter of
> > complaint. I have tried to be nice and patient and have even
> > told myself that the bagger du jour (I like that!) was new and
> > just felt rushed... but it's frustrating. What makes it even
> > worse is that I can't get some of the items I want. When I've
> > requested them I'm also told that if I would bring them a UPC
> > that they'd be happy to try to get that item for me. Uh, excuse
> > me, if I had the UPC then I'd probably still have the item... I
> > digress... sorry.
> >
> > I've requested: white wine vinegar (any brand they can get),
> > pearl sugar (the large white granular type that occasionally tops
> > muffins), frozen winter squash (it's pureed... Bird's Eye, Green
> > Giant... anybody, really!)...
> >
> > <sigh>
> >
> > Anyway, thanks for understanding.
> > --
> > Cyndi
> > <Remove a "b" to reply>

>
> I had filled out one of those tell us how we are doinf cards. I

complimented
> them on cleanliness and so forth but did complain because there was only
> one checker and a long line. I know because of budget cuts and trying to
> find workers that things can get annoying but in my opion the manager

should
> have been helping out more. I have been in stores where the manager opens

up
> a line and even sacks sometimes. Well, he just called me and said he was
> sorry I had to wait and in the future to go to the booth and he would open

a
> line for me. Wow. I wouldn't do that but it was very nice of him to follow
> up.
> Phyl
> >
> >

>


The closest grocery chain to me is Foodland/Sack N Save (sister stores). I
had a friend who was the manager of Sack N Save and when I asked him if he
could open another line for me, he told me that as a manager he wasn't
allowed to check-out or even stock shelves. The only thing he could touch
in the store was the liquor because many of his employees were too young to
stock it. Isn't that crazy or was he just lazy?

kili



Saerah 20-02-2004 05:06 PM

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Rick & Cyndi wrote in message <8mgZb.348721$I06.3709047@attbi_s01>...

<snip>


>So Saerah... any chance you want to move to Armpit, Illinois? We
>could REALLY use your talents. Seriously!


if kroger's the only game in town, i don't think so. i rely on the
availability of lots of organic and natural food products and a variety of
ethnic groceries.( the one thing that makes livign in metro detroit
tolerable.)

--
Saerah

TANSTAAFL

Hangovers only last a day, but a good drinking story lives on forever....





Saerah 20-02-2004 05:16 PM

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Frogleg wrote in message ...
>On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:37:55 -0600, "Dan Levy" >
>wrote:
>
>>Moral: always check the organization of your bags before leaving the

store,
>>where you can grab more bags if needed to isolate fragile and cold stuff.
>>The fragile items may have actually been put on top of the heavy items by
>>the bagger, but stuff can shift around in transit.

>
>I watched the finals of a grocery-bagging 'championship' a number of
>years ago, and the emphasis was on 'no soft stuff at the bottom with
>heavy stuff on top' and producing balanced (paper) bags of similar
>weight. Ideal for me. My current grocery baggers have evidently been
>trained to put same with same -- that is, one bag gets three 2-ltr
>bottles of soda; another anything frozen or refrigerated; another all
>the canned goods; and the last with a bag of chips and box of Kleenex.
>This may be handy for putting things away at home, but it's a bear for
>dragging things in and out of the car.
>
>Bagging your own stuff (common in Europe, I believe) can reduce these
>problems. Also, check the cash register tape before you leave. I've
>got to take my most recent one back and mention that I didn't get
>parsley at 99-cents a bunch, but cilantro at 69. Every time I don't
>check, this happens...


i went to a superkmart a few months ago to get some shallots on sale. they
have this look up screen with *pictures* on it to help them identify the
produce. i couldnt belive it. i told her the code and the checker snarled at
me and told me it would only take her a minute to locate my item. i was
surprised because where i work, we are expected to *memorize* produce codes,
and identify the organic produce from the conventional produce without
looking at stickers. we have tests on these things. and parsely and cilantro
look quite different. if you're ever in doubt, you can always smell it :)

--
Saerah

TANSTAAFL

Hangovers only last a day, but a good drinking story lives on forever....





Kathy 20-02-2004 05:55 PM

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"Rick & Cyndi" > wrote in message
news:zBbZb.80923$uV3.537834@attbi_s51...
> On the bottom of a bag full of canned goods are my
> bananas... in one of the bags of the juice boxes are my
> vine-ripened tomatoes and my big bag of lettuce is sandwiched
> with frozen food! There was also something heavy in the bag with
> the loaf of bread... AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!! I hate that store, I
> hate that store, I HATE THAT STORE!!!!! They still can't bother
> to order any white wine vinegar either!!! Stupid muckity
> muck.... !!!! Ow - a vein just blew!! Not really, but stupid
> crap like this really busts my chops.


> --
> Cyndi


When I started using cloth bags I found that baggers who insist that you
mustn't bag your own groceries will back off when faced with unfamiliar
bags. It's not that much work to bag my own groceries and the bananas and
bread are always on top. Cloth bags are easier to load and unload from the
car and I don't end up with great wads of plastic bags at home waiting to
find other uses. I get a nickel a bag when the checker remembers (about half
the time) and when I don't, I won't stop the line to demand it. They paid
for themselves long ago. If you can't change Kroger, you might try that.



Donna Rose 20-02-2004 07:39 PM

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In article >,
says...
>
>I did once complain to the headquarters about a customer service guy.
>Actually I complained about a couple of things, I really was annoyed.
>So, I got a nice long note from the store manager, she said she had
>called a staff meeting and given them the word on how you treat the
>customers and how to ring up meat so it doesn't multiply the price
>by 10. Yikes, I blushed. Then she said, I would like to meet
>you, and I have left a $25 certificate for you at the customer service
>desk. Yeah, I'm picking that up!!! Hi, I'm the one who complained
>about you, can I have my certificate? Sure, right after I tattoo
>BITCH on your forehead, lady. (laugh)
>
>nancy
>

That's pretty funny Nancy.

....but was really stupid of the manager to force you to come face-to-face
with the person you were complaining about.
--
Donna
A pessimist believes all women are bad. An optimist hopes they are.

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S.Dunlap 20-02-2004 09:13 PM

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"Rick & Cyndi" > wrote in message news:<fMcZb.79730$jk2.420994@attbi_s53>...
> "Dan Levy" > wrote in message
> ...
> : Moral: always check the organization of your bags before
> leaving the store,
> : where you can grab more bags if needed to isolate fragile and
> cold stuff.
> : The fragile items may have actually been put on top of the
> heavy items by
> : the bagger, but stuff can shift around in transit.
> :
> : =======
>
> Couldn't - too busy unloading cart to watch the silly waif...!
> Doesn't matter - she bagged the items WRONG!! You don't put in 4
> little tomatoes with a huge box of juices. WRONG. You don't put
> bruisable (sp?) bananas with canned goods... that would be... you
> guessed it... WRONG! You don't put heavy items with a single
> loaf of bread either.
>
> These people are either not trained properly or don't care. On
> top of that - unless you like to hear back biting and quibbling -
> you *definitely* don't go in during evening hours either!
>
> That store is sooooo wrong in soooo many ways... but if you're in
> a time crunch and don't want to drive a couple hours *one way* to
> go to a decent store...
>
> AAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHPAERIO68508IQWP3UBGVUPADY6RTIPUGB HWERO7GYW[9EO4I
> THWIS7DZFBYG[OW'I45EHBYP8WSRUGHIOW4B5IP1!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Again, did I mention just how much I hate that store?


I check the bags before I go out to the parking lot and have them
replace everything they have damaged by packing it wrong. After a few
times of having to
replace all my bakery goods and produce, they get the message.

Sandi

Rick & Cyndi 20-02-2004 09:28 PM

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"Saerah" > wrote in message
...
:
: Rick & Cyndi wrote in message
<8mgZb.348721$I06.3709047@attbi_s01>...
:
: <snip>
:
:
: >So Saerah... any chance you want to move to Armpit, Illinois?
We
: >could REALLY use your talents. Seriously!
:
: if kroger's the only game in town, i don't think so. i rely on
the
: availability of lots of organic and natural food products and a
variety of
: ethnic groceries.( the one thing that makes livign in metro
detroit
: tolerable.)
:
: --
: Saerah
=========

Yes and no. There is one other grocer in town... very friendly
but small and pretty much only stocks the more basic and/or
essential ingredients; hence, why I went to Krogers - more items
and the big Grand (re) opening sale.

Yep... the Detroit area has some AWESOME shopping available.
Hillers is nice and compared to what stores are within an hour of
here... Meijer's rocks! I've actually written to Meijer's and
begged (!) them to come to our area... there had been a rumor a
year ago that Meijer's was considering our area but instead we're
getting a Super Wal-Mart. <shrug>

Oh... I recently got to go to Zingerman's. Whoa. Totally cool!
We bought some wonderful bread, Parmesana-Reggiano (SP?) cheese,
Cider Syrup, a Zingerman's cookbook (very, very neat!), olive
oil, and a handful of other stuff too. I really like that place.
Crowded but filled with wonderful goodies.

Our brother lives in Bellville, MI and we try to make it up there
at least once a year.

--
Cyndi
<Remove a "b" to reply>



Rick & Cyndi 20-02-2004 09:30 PM

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"StocksRus®" & Cyndi"

<snip>
\: I live in Krogers hometown and have done lot's of business
with them over
: the years. Meaning they were a BIG customer of mine.
: Two words come to mind...
: THEY SUCK!
: I avoid them as much as possible. I'm fortunate enough to have
a very
: cool place within 20 miles called Jungle Jims that has
everything and
: more that I need. 5 acres of fresh produce, $1,000,000,000
inventory of
: wine, and all ethnic cuisines.
: :
: --
: StocksRus®
:
: ===========

Lucky dog! I adore Jungle Jims!! Have they installed the
monorail system yet?

--
Cyndi
<Remove a "b" to reply>



StocksRus® 20-02-2004 10:17 PM

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"Rick & Cyndi" > wrote in news:%%uZb.88447
$jk2.435243@attbi_s53:

> "StocksRus®" & Cyndi"
>
> <snip>
> \: I live in Krogers hometown and have done lot's of business
> with them over
>: the years. Meaning they were a BIG customer of mine.
>: Two words come to mind...
>: THEY SUCK!
>: I avoid them as much as possible. I'm fortunate enough to have
> a very
>: cool place within 20 miles called Jungle Jims that has
> everything and
>: more that I need. 5 acres of fresh produce, $1,000,000,000
> inventory of
>: wine, and all ethnic cuisines.
>: :
>: --
>: StocksRus®
>:
>: ===========
>
> Lucky dog! I adore Jungle Jims!! Have they installed the
> monorail system yet?


No....but it grows every week. It now has a garden center, just added a
British food section. Four isles of hot sauces.
Curious...how do you know of Jungles?

--
StocksRus®



JANIC412 20-02-2004 10:38 PM

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Once when shopping at a local store, the cahiser kept tossing the groceries
into the bags and packing bread etc. in the bottom and topping with canned
goods. After asking twice for her to stop tossing and pack correctly, I let her
finish ringing up and bagging the order. Then, I ask for the manager-after I
showed him how everything was bagged and told him how she handled the order I
walked out of the store (leaving the bagged groceries in the buggy-I didn't pay
for them) and have never returned. I also told anyone who would listen about
the store. The store? Kroger. The order was quite large BTW. Jan

AT 20-02-2004 11:34 PM

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Why don't just you place the items on the conveyor belt as you want them to be
bagged? Group items by type and put the cans, bottles and heavy things on the belt
first (those bags will be placed on the bottom of the cart), then the dairy, then
the meats, then the heavy veggies, then the delicate veggies/fruits, last the
bakery items. It ain't rocket science, you know. It doesn't take any longer
either.

NancyJaye 20-02-2004 11:43 PM

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"AT" > wrote in message
...
> Why don't just you place the items on the conveyor belt as you want them

to be
> bagged? Group items by type and put the cans, bottles and heavy things on

the belt
> first (those bags will be placed on the bottom of the cart), then the

dairy, then
> the meats, then the heavy veggies, then the delicate veggies/fruits, last

the
> bakery items. It ain't rocket science, you know. It doesn't take any

longer
> either.



I've gotten into the habit of doing just that, keeping the frozen stuff
together, veggies together, etc. But lately, at the Publix that I shop at,
the bagger has been rushing to my cart and unloading it before I'm even at
the conveyor belt. "Hey, Let me do that for you", he says. It's all I can
do to get out of his way! They can't get it right at Publix either.... A
grocery store conspiracy????

NancyJaye



kilikini 20-02-2004 11:49 PM

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"NancyJaye" > wrote in message
...
>
> "AT" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Why don't just you place the items on the conveyor belt as you want them

> to be
> > bagged? Group items by type and put the cans, bottles and heavy things

on
> the belt
> > first (those bags will be placed on the bottom of the cart), then the

> dairy, then
> > the meats, then the heavy veggies, then the delicate veggies/fruits,

last
> the
> > bakery items. It ain't rocket science, you know. It doesn't take any

> longer
> > either.

>
>
> I've gotten into the habit of doing just that, keeping the frozen stuff
> together, veggies together, etc. But lately, at the Publix that I shop

at,
> the bagger has been rushing to my cart and unloading it before I'm even at
> the conveyor belt. "Hey, Let me do that for you", he says. It's all I

can
> do to get out of his way! They can't get it right at Publix either....

A
> grocery store conspiracy????
>
> NancyJaye


This is one topic I can't relate to because (at least for the past 10 years)
I can't remember a time when I didn't bag my own groceries. I didn't
realize stores still did that! <g>
kili

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